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it's not going to be easy. there's so much of our country that's homophobic. i admire his service to the country. i also find him incredibly intelligent and knows how to talk. so you'd like to interview him? >> i would but biden would be just as fascinating to me in a way. meantime, the news continues and i want to hand it over to chris for cuomo primetime. >> we have breaking news. the president has ordered full coon ration by the attorney general and all of his intelligence agencies. not answering the outstanding questions mr. mueller left for congress but to go back to the beginning and investigate how the russia probe started. i thought the president wanted to move on from mueller?
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we have a key member of congress, republican, here on that. the latest offensive comes after he lost another round sparring with the speaker of the house. pelosi says the president needs an intervention and he responds by saying she's crazy and losing it. he can do this before, but what about the rest of us? we're going to get the state of play from a crucial member of the speaker's team in a moment. and the president and his pals keep throwing that $35 million number for the mueller probe, the expense in your face. wait until you see what we worked up. what this president cost you and your kids so far. here's a hint. it may tee you off. let's get after it. >> so you have to get this straight. the president says move on from mueller, the russia probe is done but really he means go back to the beginning. he's stone walling any cooperation saying it's over.
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and just authorized complete cooperation with a probe into how the russia probe started. it sounds like the onion but it's true and may just bring a tear to your eye. this comes after his sparring match with the speaker. >> i was calm. crazy nancy. i have been watching her for a long period of time. she's not the same person. she has lost it. pelosi does not understand the bill. i don't think she's capable of understanding it. i think she has a lot of problem and i sort of feel she is dissent grating before their eyes. she's a mess. when i watch her, the movement and the hands and the craziness and i watch, that's by the way a person that's got some problems. i'm an extremely stable genius. >> welcome to primetime.
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he almost got a laugh out of me when he called himself a stable genius but with this move, it's one thing if we're going to drag our feet a little bit until you guys find a way to get mueller in the chair because that's the moment of clarity for the country but to go back to the beginning and investigate the probe, what do you think of this move? >> first of all, i totally agree with you that we need mueller to hear him before the committee and to talk to the american people. he didn't need to do that today. everybody needs to cooperate. laws are clear in this. i think it's good that people are getting out of washington. i think the american people are tired of this. he walked into the oval office totally prepared to walk out of that meeting yesterday instead of agreeing to an infrastructure bill and the american people want to see us. if you go back to the days of unfortunately or fortunately my age, i was an intern working and
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i remember it too well. people want us to do something about the costs of prescription drugs and we have roads and bridges falling apart and trade deals that got him elected. >> but you guys have to make a choice, investigate me or let's deal with infrastructure or whatever else you want to deal with, but he's now saying there's a different option on his side. he's saying he will want to do business with you but he's also going to investigate why you guys investigated him. how is that going to create any progress? >> it's not going to create progress and he's the leader of this country and i have to tell you, the american people are getting tired of this bickering. he got elected two years ago because people were tired of the partisan bickering. they thought he would shake things up and be different. he needs to look at how people are looking at him right now and
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he has to take responsibility. these are two equal branches of government and he cannot say he's not going to work on problems. >> nancy pelosi has proven every bit his equal and then some when it comes to the war of words. he can say what he wants to say about her. she obviously gets to him. but is it the right strategy for the democrat side of the ball. when he gets upset, he can do nothing but think about himself and his feelings. is that something that you guys have to take into consideration when you think about strategy and how to move the ball forward? >> i think that mrs. pelosi is one, tough, strong, leader. we have to follow the facts. she is being calm and methodical about allowing the committee chairs to do their business. to follow the facts. there's a process.
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nobody is above the law. but i'm in those meetings and she is clear that we made promises to the american people and that we would do something about health care and prescription drugs and that we do something about infrastructure so i think she is very focused. she knows that we have to do that. she is telling the committee chairs. you're not the ones that have a responsibility for oversight but the ones that she met with the chair of house ways and means and told them get the bills out there that the american people will see that we are moving things. and we did last week by the way. we got 7 -- you wouldn't know it with all of this saber rattling. >> you have the numbers -- nothing is getting on the floor of the senate so there's no actual laws. >> i have been in those with nancy, with the speaker, she wants bills that we are going to get passed because she -- she is
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traveling this country. >> i hear you but nothing has been passed. >> we passed seven bills last week. but i will also tell you she is very focused on getting a bill through the house and senate and is going to do something about reducing these costs. if you're out there, i'll tell you this weekend, people will talk to me about what president trump or this with nancy pelosi, they're going to talk to me about what their medicine is costing. and if you live in michigan, it's the same across the country, you're tired of the hot holes and they want you to fix the blank roads. >> i got you but you have to work with them. i'm not saying it's not fun to watch.
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>> i don't think it's fun to watch. >> there's going to be a ton of coverage of it. he she's going to get this coverage, but at the end of the day your people in michigan, all over this country, they need the infrastructure help and the cash money help on health care. we have to see how it gets done. i know you're focused on the issues that matter and you always have been and you always talk about them. >> happy memorial day. >> anyone that gave their lives in the cause of this country. thank you for the whole family serving. be well. >> we're going to get the other side as well. let's be honest. you have lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. nothing is getting done for their people back home. watching this is one thing. the reality of government is another one. so we have a republican that's broken with the president before. what does he think we need? a new probe into the old probe? should we get mueller to testify like yesterday and get this over with and get some clarity? and how can the sides work together? is there a chance we'll get some clarity from him? next.
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>> crazy nancy, she is a mess. it was sad when i watched nancy all moving. the movement and the hands and the craziness. i watch it. that's a person that has the problem. >> personal attacks at an event that was supposed to be about helping farmers. >> where is the genius in this latest move. >> let's start with the great debate. good to have you back on the show. as always, thank you. >> help me understand, kaley. move on from mueller all in favor. get mr. mueller in the chair and let's figure out what work is left to go forward, if any. that's clarity for the country. now he wants to investigate the beginning of the probe he wants to move on from. where is the sense in that.
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the applications based on a dossier funded by democrats, that hasn't been investigated. >> it hasn't been investigated but it has been looked at. but go ahead by the agency. >> by whom? by the agency, right? by the agency that signed the warrant. >> inspector general is an independent actor. >> democrats want to continue down the witch hunt. in a warrant based on lies funded by the dnc. by the way, the american people agree with me. 62% want this done. >> a lot of them were given false information. we just had baker come up, one of the guys involved in it saying i don't know why there's questions ability how it started? it started with the facts. baker and his counsel said we started. where does this go if we go back to go forward?
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one thing donald trump is a genius at is distraction. he wants another investigated started to distract us. he wants full cooperation with congress's investigation. he doesn't want any cooperation with. it's another way. he's been watching how it was today. i think nancy pelosi really has his number and she has gotten under his skin. she knows how to play him so she has to move this conversation away from him not really being a stable genius but to something else which is to investigate the
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investigators. >> what was my temperament yesterday? >> very calm. >> you were very calm and you were very direct. >> callahan's right. >> you were very calm. >> very calm. i've seen both. this was definitely not angry or ranting. >> there's a line i don't want to have to be standing in. why put them in that position? what are they supposed to say? i actually thought you lost it a little bit. i'm going to be honest with you. who is going to say that? what does that mean? >> he asked them that because he wants them to share the truth that is lost upon the media and democrats. >> who was going to agree with them when they worked with him. >> it's the truth. it was reported that he slammed his hands down in a meeting previously. that wasn't true. i'm around the president often on air force one going to the rallies. he's always in a cheerful
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demeanor so this is just wrong and false and the media wants to talk about his demeanor because they don't want to focus on nancy pelosi and her tirades about cover ups and crimes and impeachment because they know it will backfire on the democrats so instead they have theories about the president's mood that are far from any basis of truth or reality. >> nancy pelosi found a way under the president's skin. she is an old time warrior. she knows how to do the war of words. no question about it. is it the best move for the democrats to keep this president spitting mad. >> i do think. are you asking me? >> yes, ma'am. >> she understands where her caucus is at. she also very strongly believes what she has been saying. but even today they passed a
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retirement security bill that had 413 votes. it's going to go to mitch mcconnell and die. that's what everything does over there is to die. the election reform bill. all of these things including prescription drugs. her team sent them over to the senate and it sits there and dies. where is donald trump calling for lower prescription drugs? nothing is happening. even today -- >> he did lower prescription drugs. >> but why isn't he calling for the senate to pass the violence against women act restoration. that's a bipartisan bill. he has done nothing to encourage mitch mcconnell to pass bipartisan bills. he is so freaked out about how people are viewing him that at the press conference today he
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arguably could have gotten some mileage out of and instead he lines up all of his jestures to be able to respond to his question. he completely knocked the story off of the front page. bottom line is nancy pelosi can walk and chew gum at the same time and she is doing both. she is making sure the investigations go forward and making sure that legislation gets passed. now the senate has to do its job. >> what about the senate side of the equation. how do you explain it? >> they passed half the bills that the republican house passed up to this point. they're ready to play game on seasonal pieces and play ball on reasonable pieces of legislation just as we saw criminal justice reform. what about infrastructure? nancy pelosi cancelled that. what about a daca fix. >> the president walked away from that. >> it died twice. when you look alt these
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proposals there's things that can be done but they can't be done when you have jerry nadler on a train days after the midterm election saying i not only want to impeach trump but also kavanaugh. we can work together but your party legislating rather than investigating. >> but you always had when presidents are investigated they still keep working. bill clinton did some of his best work right on the verge of being removed from office. he seems to want to obsess about something that he says shouldn't matter. if you get mueller in the chair he can answer the fundamental question, did you leave work to be done on obstruction. did you think there's things to pursue? is it worth or time or not? there's a good chance he could
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answer those questions many different ways. that will give this country clarity. do you think they deserve to hear from him right now? >> i don't think it's worth our time at all. >> to hear from mueller? >> why not? >> on the charge of obstruction. if mueller and his team of registered democrats that have a notorious history -- >> that's not a fair characteristic of the team. >> it is. >> he's more republican than he's been on your best day. >> i doubt that. >> you think you're more of a republican than bob mueller. >> i do. i think i'm more of a conservative than bob mueller. >> but his team of angry democrats was going -- >> enough of these talking points. >> if they found obstruction they would have recommended prosecution but they didn't and they gave it back to barr that
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said no obstruction here. i know you desperately want obstruction but it doesn't exist. >> read the first page of part 2 of the mueller report and you'll see why bob mueller and his team did not bring down any suggestion of a charge against the sitting president of the united states. it's because they went into the investigation knowing they could not. jennifer, last point. >> i just have a quick question for kaley. if it's uphold by the courts that you have seen that the president must turnover the subpoena material do you think the president should finally cooperate and allow his team and administration to testify or turnover materials that a court has ordered? >> it needs to be appealed from these obama appointed judges one of whom donated to two sitting heads of committees that subpoenaed the president. so we have a whole lot of conflict of interest. >> you're saying these judges are biased so now it goes to the court of appeals.
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>> sure. we have seen measure after measure president trump struck down by unilateral judges. >> i have to give you very serious information. >> this is where this information has come from and i need to tell you this and i need to get this behind you because we have to do something very serious and the people in your base say i can't believe any of that. i can't believe this institutions. and the intelligence communities were out to get you so i can't believe any of this information. what are you going to do on that day? >> because one of his guys came
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back. >> it is a combination that i can't wait for the documents to come out. i can't wait. i have to leave it there. >> i can't wait for that day too. >> me either but i'm actually going to read them. thank you very much. >> i'll approximate reading them too. >> appreciate it. >> the president just added a lot of fuel to the fire to unseat him with this move. but who is best position to take advantage we have new seedings among the democrat. change is afoot. a political prognosticator has it all. where it is? next. (gasp) (singsong) budget meeting! sweet. if you compare last quarter to this quarter... various: mmm. it's no wonder everything seems a little better with the creamy taste of philly, made with fresh milk and real cream. go to the pharmacy counter for powerful... congestion and pressure? of philly, claritin-d. while the leading allergy spray
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right now. >> if you were to look and say the top five, those about 5% or greater that's only about five people but donald trump is only polling at about 2% at this point and remember what happened to him. a lot of people like myself looking at the numbers are saying let's take a step back and let's remember what happened last time around and remember that someone can climb up from the cellar but if we're going to look at the top five let's take a look at the difference between elizabeth warren and bernie sanders both of whom are trading places while sanders is falling. this is a very interesting thing, right? if we're trying to determine lanes which is not always a great thing in a democratic primary but bernie sanders and elizabeth warren are both doing their best among liberal voters. but they're struggling with the moderate to conservative lane.
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>> and for context for people, the democrats self-identify, about 80% plus, center left. he's the only one in the race that really checks that box. >> right. 20% consider themselves very liberal. 30% consider themselves some what liberal and 50% consider themselves moderate to conservative. the liberal block is a fight between elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. >> what about kamala harris or booker? >> they are there. kamala harris is doing okay but if you look at the top two or top three in that liberal lane, it's warren, it's sanders, and then it's biden. >> why is sanders going down and warren coming up? >> this is a very interesting thing. most people didn't know who she was. her numbers are rising while bernie sanders are falling. what we also see and this is very interesting. in march, 25%.
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look at the opposite going on right here. 8, 6, and 10 and a poll that was out yesterday actually had her i believe at 13%. >> ordinarily though in politics it's the authentic that winds up resinating the most. that should be bernie but it isn't. is there fatigue? is it just early and people are sampling other stuff on the menu? it seems to me that people like him as an alternative. they don't like him nearly as much. >> interesting to see elizabeth warren with aoc. >> this is the group that elizabeth warren wants to take from bernie sanders. wants to take this liberal block and build with that from other
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the president is giving his attorney general the power to declassify national security information as the a.g. hunlts for what he has already called spying on the trump campaign. the republican congressman from illinois is here. good to have you on. i want to talk about what shouldn't happened and what should happen. how do you feel about the idea of starting a new probe into the old probe when the inspector general is already looking at that. you have a utah united states attorney and connecticut united states attorney looking at that?
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>> i think there's a lot of questions with that whole thing in terms of what happened. i don't want a whole new independent counsel but there's questions that need answered on that. >> now if you notice, i just read the president's tweets and just learned about this he said in accordance with the law. >> just like i said at the beginning of the mueller report whatever the answer is we all need to accept it and move on. we need to accept that but we need to just like go from here to here and our temperature. >> mueller is the answer. >> it was interesting. the spokesperson for the m ka pain said i don't think we need them. i don't know how we cannot need him. he has to give us clarity. why did you leave it the way you did? he's not compromised. she can say she is more conservative than he is but i don't know what she's talking
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about. >> they have to have their expectations right. he cannot say any bad information about the president or anybody that's not in the report. he's, you know, the government can't come out and say we didn't indict somebody but here's all the things we're concerned about. that's not how that works. people's expectations may not be what it is. i have no problem if he comes in personally. when you said i think mueller is the answer i don't necessarily agree. maybe if he testifies, fine. but the long and the short of it is, you mentioned something about institutions.
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massive break downs occurred. you see it all around the world. >> we try to police it and we try to be good about it. everybody has to do their part. in that vain of thought, let's skip over congress. we have to see what is going to happen. nothing is going to get done. we all know that. iran, i want you head on this congressman because what is your read about the nature of what they're doing and what it means in terms of proper united states response? >> so i think we're doing the right thing. if iran was stepping up their attacks and stepping up their posture and there was legitimate
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concern that there's escalation. >> we thought about the reenergized maliilitias and we d they're going to have all of these guns and energy and they're going to start the old fight against the united states. i think it would have been presidential malpractice. you either surrender and leave or you say we will defend american troops and our interests. the president was right in doing that. some of the things that were said may not have been perfect of course but moving the carrier and frankly the results have been promising. we're not going to go to war. >> how do you know? >> everybody should know, they should google you but you are a warrior. and you have given your, you put your life on the line for this country and you know how i respect you for doing that but when you say we will not go to war, how do you know, it's often situational. you're there. they take a shot at you.
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maybe they didn't mean it the way it happens but they wind uptaking out our people. now you have to take a new stand. are you concerned? >> yes. to war, our intention is not to gopro volkswagen go provoke a conflict. i wasn't a big fan of president obama. i liked him personally but not his politics. obviously if iran attacks us, if they move in a position that threatens navigation through the straights or something that could cause a conflict. not necessarily a full war but it could start a military response to escalate to where that ends so it's all -- look, iran has been attacking u.s. and it's interests for decades. a quarter of american troops in iraq were killed indirectly or directly by iran and you look at the history of it. it's nothing new to think they provoke us but they can't cross that red line so we have to move that line and be definite with it. >> do you think we'll have more
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boots on the ground in different places in the middle east by this time next year? >> i don't think so. but we need a structure in place to protect our perimen and womed they need to be as safe as they can be and we can agree on that. as we get into heated debates it's important to take a step back and realize we are americans and we do disagree on things but like you and i. i consider you a friend. i think you consider the same. we don't necessarily agree on everything but we know how to take our political opinions and make that business, something we're passionate about but still like each other on the other side of that. >> you have a couple of things going for you. i consider you a hero that protects me and my kids an my wife and my family's life and you're a member of congress which means you have taken a pledge with your life to serve others and i appreciate that. maybe what you're doing now is
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more dangerous than even when you were over there and i worry for you. >> i agree. >> but i know you're a person of integrity and you're leading with your head and your heart together and we need that. it doesn't matter what your ideas are. that we can fight about. i do hope if we fight about who to put where militarily they come to your guys because it's your job and not the presidents to declare war. i hope you take that back. god bless, memorial day weekend. if anybody in your family was lost in service, thank you to the whole family and thank you as well. >> god bless you, take care. >> the president loves to talk about government waste. especially with the mueller probe but he never talks about himself and he is spending big bucks. your bucks. numbers like we have never seen before. lest do one that tells you a picture that you need to see. d.lemon comes too. he loves pictures, of himself.
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make my deals, right? make my deals, right? >> wrong, then candidate donald trump said he wouldn't golf. he attacked president obama over the cost of his outings. do you remember this? you know everybody likes to have their posters these days? i've got mine. he keeps throwing that $35 million for the mueller report in the probe in your face, right? $102 million already for golf costs paid by you. that's three times more than president obama at the same point. $102 million on something he promised you he wouldn't do. 1.5 trillion, that is the tax cut package, as a result, you now have 2 trillion more in national debt. as a result, they don't have the money or tax revenue d.lemon.
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that's why he can't do infrastructure. >> where have i seen that before? >> what? >> mine is better. yours has too many numbers and is confusing. >> mine comes with sound effects. >> you can't even do this. >> that's okay. imitation is the best form of flattery. >> i'm not imitating you. i'm improving on what you did. it's $831 per family. today he had the farmers there and he said we're giving them this money and it's going to be paid for by china. no it isn't. it's going to be paid for by american taxpayers. >> you mentioned the farmers, john boyd jr., he's head of the national black farmers association, he has been speaking out against the president and the tariffs and how it's going to hurt farmers. he's going to be on our show. that's a lot of money. >> 102 million. he doesn't understand how tariffs work.
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americans end up paying taxes. basically it's a tax. you're going to pay a higher rate for your goods and services. >> $831 per family. >> farmers can't sell their wares. they can't sell their soybeans. they're sitting on crops they cannot sell. how is that helpful to them? >> well, here's the best defense i can give. we have to see what the deal is. remember something else i don't have on this yet. the markets have already priced in, don, that they're going to get this deal done in a way that's satisfactory to the united states. so if that deal falls short or it doesn't get done because of too much posturing what will happen to our markets? they priced in a deal that's advantageous to the u.s. >> do you think trump supporters factor in all the numbers that you show them? >> i think they believe in the fight and give them huge leeway because they felt abandoned for too long
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they're hoping for better and he is their best bet yet. >> i am told last night by paul manafort talking about these numbers when he was saying how much the mueller investigation cost that actually paul manafort has to pay $25 million which is basically the cost of the mueller probe if they ever get that money. listen, i got -- i have a smorg as board. i told you about john boyd jr. it's interesting. he's been very vocal about what he thinks about the president's tariffs and policies. we've got colin quinn, dan abrams has a new book out. west point cadets will be on. the most diverse class in history, chris, from west point academy. and we're going to -- six of them are going to join us. stick to that conversation. >> i love it. prestige and progress. >> yeah. >> beautiful marriage. >> see you soon. >> see you in a little bit.
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>> yup. >> you hear what happened with julian assange? he's been slapped with more charges by the united states. this, for me, is not about assange. i'm not a big fan and for good reason. but listen, tough look at the case against this government. it is scary. and i'll tell you why, next. (gasp) (singsong) budget meeting! sweet. if you compare last quarter to this quarter... various: mmm. it's no wonder everything seems a little better with the creamy taste of philly, made with fresh milk and real cream. and relief from symptoms caused feel the clarity of non-drowsy claritin with the creamy taste of philly, by over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity. and live claritin clear.
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journalists are not charged under the act. it's never happened before. now, i hear some of you saying he's not a journalist. leave it aside. that he compromised national security. leave it aside. that's what the government is going to argue and we'll see what they can put on the meat of the bones of that. but they need to say more than that to keep journalism free from any restriction. my argument is if assange gets hooked for what the government is describing i may be next. the government's best arguer is that assange went further than a traditional publisher when he encouraged manning to continue her theft of classified documents and agreed to help her crack a password hash to a military computer. the second part of that has to be everything, breaking into a computer crime, helping someone break in, crime, encouraging someone to give you information, protecting who gives you information, that's what i do. that's what most journalists do. only time will tell if the
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courts will accept that what assange did constituted aiding and abetting. but the outcome of this case has the potential to impact the news shows you watch and the papers you read big time and they would be worse for it. people may not pursue the truth the same way if there's a criminal charge waiting for them for their efforts. now, pentagon papers, didn't that settle this? no. when "the washington post" and the "new york times" got a dense classified report from vietnam from an analyst that showed u.s. involvement for the war had grown, bombings, raids, all was hidden from the american people. it mattered. the federal government tried to keep the papers from printing anything about it. they published anyway. the supreme court later ruled that the bar is really high for the government to stop them just because it's classified military information is now good enough. but that was about stopping the media before they reported, prior restraint. what about after it happens? that's the case with assange.
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google bart nicky v.vomper, it said in 2001 no prosecution after the fact as long as nothing was done to illegally obtain the information. so this should come down to whether government can prove that assange broke the law by helping manning do what he did. not just by saying give me the information, not just by publishing the information. and, yes, this happening now matters. we have a president who has talked a lot about going after a free press. stopping us from protecting sources. and encouraging sources to give us information the government wants to keep secret would be terrible. the words of justice black from the pentagon papers case should ring in these prosecutors' ears and yours as well. the press is here to serve the governed, not the governors. only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government and we
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need that right now as much as ever. watch this case. the implications go way beyond julian assange. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with d. lemon right now. >> as the old heads used to say, and they still do, boy, you ain't never lied. that means you are telling the absolute truth. we need a free press more than ever. i couldn't be prouder to be a journalist in this moment in time. >> listen, this has invigorated journalism, the period we're living through right now, mistakes are being made, we're seeing strengths and weaknesses but we've never needed it more and it's not about assange. i'm not a fan. i don't like what his people said about me when the emails were dropped, they were wrong, i was worried about this happening then, i was worried about the espionage act being expanded by government then and it's happening now. we have to look at the case on the merits of what it means for all of us, not just one guy. >> can you imagine, though

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