golf? >> reporter: even president trump might like a dog that doubles as a golf partner. >> well, where's the golf club? >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn -- >> well, go get the golf club. >> reporter: -- new york. >> okay, let's go get it. >> thanks for joining us. have a good weekend. anderson starts now. good evening. if you thought this week couldn't get anymore unusual than it was, say, on wednesday or on thursday, well, it has. today, the president of the united states re-tweeted a heavily edited video of nancy pelosi designed to show her stuttering and seemingly incoherent. it is deceptively edited, but another video, which is actually full-on manipulated, slowed down to make pelosi appear not just incoherent, but perhaps ill or drunk. this fake video has been put on social media and seen by millions. we're not going to show either of the videos to you, because we don't want to amplify something that's false. the president doesn't seem to mind doing it, but we do. the president's tv lawyer, rudy giuliani, was happy to as well, but then took the video he

tweeted down, then tweeted a mangled explanation, and i'm quoting now, or at least i'm trying to, "ives apology for a video that is allegedly a caricature of an otherwise halting speech pattern she should first stop and apologize for saying the president needs an intervention are." if you were trying to make out your opponent as drunk or incoherent, probably not great to send out an actually incoherent tweet. he also included a visual aid. i want to show you there, the photograph he included with the tweet, some basketball players throwing their hands in the air. not sure why. more on mr. giuliani shortly. as for the president himself, here's what he said on the way to japan. >> mr. president, has your relationship with nancy pelosi soured to the point of being too personal and some of these altered videos that are being disseminated, is that going too far? >> well, i don't know about the videos. i can tell you that what i'm here is to help the country. that's why i did this.

>> "i don't know about the videos," he said, then quickly changed the subject. now, keeping 'em honest, his own tweet does say otherwise. quote, pelosi stammers through news conference, it reads, in all caps, and right below it is the heavily edited video. so who you going to believe? the president of the united states or the tweet from the official account of the president of the united states? as for the continued attacks on pelosi, the president is putting the blame on pelosi. >> what do you want to accomplish with your personal attacks on the speaker? you're saying she lost it -- >> excuse me! this just shows how fake you and the news are. when you say -- when you say a personal attack, did you hear what she said about me long before i went after her? did you hear? she made horrible statements. she knows they're not true. she made -- she said terrible things. so i just. responded in kind. look, you think nancy's the same as she was? she's not. maybe we can all say that. >> that's the verbal tick again, the president has a long history

of it, saying something that's at best afrguable or not true ad then suggesting that the people he's saying it to all agree with him. maybe we can all say that, after suggesting that the woman second in line of secession to him is losing it. maybe that's the point, suggesting that his political opponents aren't quite mentally competent. if you don't think this could be a campaign strategy in 2020, all you have to do is remember what happened in 2016 when hillary clinton had a health scare. >> fails to point out several signs of illness by her. all you've got to do is go online -- >> wait, her campaign and a number of people defending her saying there's nothing factual to the claims about her health and that that's speculation, at best. >> well -- so go online and put down, hillary clinton illness, take a look at the videos for yourself. >> yeah, no speculation on the internet. rudy giuliani then sounding a lot like rudy giuliani now. here to talk about it, 2016 trump campaign strategist, david urban, and former california state representative, bakari

sellers. so david, i guess the obvious question is, is it appropriate for the president of the united states and his attorney to be sharing, you know, videos that are either deceptively edited or just outright false? >> so, anderson, look, i don't think anybody should be sharing videos that are deceptively edited, clearly. it's like, look, it's not a good look. but for the president to take a poke at nancy pelosi after he took a poke at -- after she took a poke at him, i think as you stated earlier, he's a counterpuncher, that's what he does. but, look, you know, putting forth further false things on the internet, not good. >> i don't get why the president said he didn't know about it. to me, it could just be like a speech pattern of like, oh, i don't know about it, he brushed it off, he didn't want to talk about it, but he clearly knows about it. >> yeah, look, i don't think the president purposefully put out -- somebody said to him, hey, look, this video has been edited to make her look bad, please put it out. i don't think that's the case. >> bakari, how do you view this?

is this a new low for political discourse? is it just politics as usual? is this escalating feud gone too far? >> well, i think it's -- we're not at the nader. i don't ever want to say it can't get any worse with president trump, because next week it always gets worse with president trump. i remember a time when we were talking about barack obama's decorum in the white house and that was because he liked dijon mustard and wore a tan suit. the disrespect that donald trump shows for the presidency is not anything new -- >> but, i mean, nancy pelosi is -- i mean, she's playing into this, as well, saying the president needs an intervention. >> i think that what nancy pelosi is going off of is what many people say is that the president behaves in a manner in which draws some concern -- >> oh, come on, bakari! >> i'm not -- come on bakari what? i mean, you have someone -- >> come on, bakari, you can call her out. you can say -- be brave, bakari. be brave and say she shouldn't

have said that. >> wait a second. you have someone -- no! you have someone who acts like a petulant child and threw a temper tantrum. and i think what we see is nancy pelosi legislatively and strategically -- >> you're a smart guy, bakari. >> -- gets the upper hand on donald trump and he has a problem when people get the upper hand on him, especially women. and that's what we see him lashing at it. >> bakari, just say that nancy pelosi shouldn't have said it either. it's okay, bakari. you'll feel better. >> i don't believe that. i honestly think -- >> do you believe the president needs an intervention? >> yes, i honestly believe that the friends of the president of the united states, if he has any, the friends and family of the president of the united states, i think those individuals who are close to him, the lindsey grahams and the bill barrs, that those individuals who are close to him -- >> how about me, bakari? >> -- who are enabeling his behavior has to have a conversation about someone who tweets repeatedly, manically all throughout the day, who is not focused on the task at hand, and who is destroying the respectability of the presidency of the united states.

now, is that a legitimate intervention in the terms of -- >> bakari, i could come on and say, hey, listen, that's wrong for the president to do, but bakari, the democrats can't come on and say, nancy pelosi shouldn't have done that, that's a bit too far. i don't know why. >> david, you are one of the folks who will come on and actually say that, to your credit, i just want to point that out. but, you know, bakari, you don't buy that nancy pelosi has been, you know, knows she's under his skin, knows how to clearly get under his skin and is doing that? >> no. i mean, we're giving out props for individuals who say the president is wrong for sharing deceptive lly edited videos? how low is the bar here? thank you for showing up, david. the point is, the president has taken the discourse -- >> bakari -- when democrats do something, you should call it out, bakari, be strong! >> the president has taken the discourse of this country so low

that it's no comparison. and i will not allow anyone to do the lack of equivalencies for donald trump and his lack of respect for people in this country and nancy pelosi, those are not the same thing. >> anderson, you know, i said it on this show and i said on others, i prefer to see the president do like what he did and speak like he did in pennsylvania on monday night when he talked about the strong economy, the incredible numbers, unemployment, african-american unemployment, his spank unemployment, real wage growth, all going up under his administration. i think that's what he's best at, i think that's what he should talk about for the next 16 months, every day. >> yeah, well, david, he had the event with farmers yesterday, the headline could have been, you know, 16 million or billion dollars going to farmers, you know, farmer relief, and instead, he veers off into getting his, you know, subordinates to, you know, testify to his stability. >> anderson, look, again, if i was -- if i was king, i'd talk

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as we mentioned before the break, the president today re-tweeted a misleadingly edited video of nancy pelosi, edited to highlight stuttering. another false video is being circulated online. it's been slowed down to make pelosi appear incoherent or drunk. the video is fake. many fact checking organizations have confirmed that. but that video in particular has been viewed by millions of people on facebook. and in fact, it's still up on facebook, even though facebook knows it's fake. knave added comments from independent fact checkers to inform people who watch it, and have made it less prominent and it is still up there. youtube took it down, but it's still up on twitter. they're not even commenting about it. facebook, however, was good enough to provide us with a spokesperson. she's monica bikert, the company's vice president for company policy management. i spoke to her a short time ago. monica, in the wake of the 2016 election, facebook has repeatedly told congress and the american people that you're

serious about fighting disinformation and fake news, yet this doctored video that i think your own fact checkers acknowledge is doctored of speaker pelosi remains on your platform. why? >> well, you know, first off, i think the suggestion there is we haven't taken action, and that's not right. we have acted. anybody who is seeing this video in news feed, anybody who is going to share it to somebody else, anybody who has shared it in the past, they are being alerted that this video is false. and this is part of the way that we deal with misinformation. we work with internationally certified fact checking organizations that are independent from facebook, and we think these are the right organizations to be making decisions about whether something is true or false. and as soon as we get -- and we did in this case, as soon as we get a rating from them that content is false, then we dramatically reduce the distribution of that content, and we -- >> but you keep it up? >> -- let people know that it's false. >> why keep it up?

>> we think people make their own informed choice about what to believe. our job is to make sure we're getting them accurate information. that's why we work with more than 50 fact checking organizations around the world. if there were misinformation that was, let's say, tide to an ongoing riot or the threat of some physical violence somewhere in the world, we would work with safety organizations on the ground to confirm falsity and the link to violence and then we actually would remove that misinformation. but from what we're talking about here -- >> misinformation that doesn't promote violence, but misinformation that portrays the third most powerful, you know, politician in the country as a drunk or somehow impaired, that's fine? >> no, what's important to us is making sure that people have the accurate information to make their own choice. >> but it's not accurate information. >> and i think if you look right now at the -- we are telling people that this is false. >> but you're not -- but videos are more powerful -- but the video is powerful -- is more powerful than whatever you're putting under the video.

>> well, actually, what we're seeing is that the conversation on facebook, on twitter, offline as well, is about this video having been manipulated, i mean, as evidenced by my appearance today. this is the conversation. the conversation is not about people believing this video, it's that they are discussing the fact that it was manipulated. and that's the conversation that people should be having. >> you have no problem removing 3.39 billion fake facebook accounts from october through march. so why is it okay for you to remove fake facebook accounts, but it's not okay to remove a clearly fake video? >> because we're focused -- when we look at our community standards, those are about keeping the community safe. >> well, how are fake facebook accounts dangerous? >> fake accounts -- we do see that fake accounts engage in safety violations more than accounts that are real. >> 3.39 billion of them are promoting violence? i mean -- >> it's a fundamental -- >> no, that's not what i said. it's a fundamental rule when you

come to facebook, you have to use your real identity. that's always been our rule. and we do see that accounts that are fake are engaged in safety violations more than authentic accounts. and by the way, and this is probably not shocking, fake accounts are also more likely to distribute misinformation or fake news. and so part of our effort to combat misinformation, it's not just about working with third party fact checkers. when we remove fake accounts, we are also reducing the chance that these accounts will be sharing misinformation. and i would point out that this is working. >> if you have the scale, though, to be able to remove over the course of six months, 3.39 billion fake accounts and you have the scale to remove, i think -- you i.d.'d -- in that six-month period, 83% of accounts or comments that were selling drugs or doing something illegal or promoting something illegal, you certainly have the scale to decide something that you know is clearly fake.

it's not even a question. i guess i still just don't logically understand -- i understand it's a big business to get into of trying to figure out what's true or not, but you're makie ing money by being the news business. if you can't do it well, shouldn't you just get out of the news business? >> look, i reject the notion that we're not doing a lot to counter misinformation -- >> i didn't say you're not doing a lot, i'm just saying, if you are -- you are in this particular case, spreading and allowing the spread of a clearly false doctored video. again, you're in the news business. there's a responsibility that comes with that. and this is, this isn't even a question. >> we are in the news business. we are in the social media business. >> well, you are in the news business. the reason you're sharing news is because you make money from it. it keeps people watching you and more involved in your site, which i get, and that's fair. but if you're in the news business, which you are, you've got to do it right and this is

false information you are spreading. >> we have a site where people can come and share what they think what's important to them, the news that they find relevant. and when they do that, we want to make sure that they have access to accurate information. if there is a threat of safety, if we're talking about terror propaganda, that's something where we can actually assess that on its face and say, yes, this is terror propaganda and we can pull it down. when you're talking about political discourse -- >> so political propaganda -- >> -- related to safety -- >> uh-huh, okay. >> if it's misinformation related to safety, we can and we do remove it and we work with safety groups to do that. but when we're talking about political discourse and the misinformation around that, we think the right approach is to let people make an informed choice. >> so if somebody makes a video of president trump and slows it down and makes it seem like he's drunk, which he's never had a drink in his life, that's okay with you? if that video is on and it makes people believe that the commander in chief is impaired

with alcohol, that's okay on facebook? >> no, again, i want to be really clear here, because the suggestion here is that we're not acting. >> would you take that down? would you take down that video of the president of the united states that's been slowed down and manipulated by russia, say, to make it look like he's drunk and impaired? >> we would remove content that's created by fake accounts. we would remove misinformation that's created by fake accounts. and we would remove misinformation if it is related to a threat of safety on the grounds. when -- >> so if a russian individual -- >> -- we work with the fact checking networks and we put that information proactively in front of people so they can make their own decisions. >> so if it's a real person, not a fake account, which i know you're concerned about fake accounts, because that gets to the legitimacy of facebook, but if it's actually just a real account, but somebody just doing that, they're not doing it even to make money, just putting it out there, that video would stay up on facebook? >> look, we're -- we have rolled out over the past few years all

sorts of products and tools -- >> okay. >> -- to allow people to have more transparency -- >> you can't say yes or no? >> -- and that -- well, because it really -- the answer is, if there is something that is being shared by somebody who is an inauthentic actor, we would remove it. if it is tied so violence on the ground, we would remove it. and there's a whole lot of other things -- hold on, there's a whole lot of other things that we are doing to make sure we are not remotely in the same place we were in 2016. >> i appreciate you being on. >> no, we care a lot about getting this right and we're happy to share what we're doing. >> monica bickert, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> a quick note, the interview was edited for time. it went about 12 minutes. we're posting the entire conversation online at ac360.com. coming up -- and we appreciate them coming on, because twitter doesn't even comment about them keeping up the video. so coming up next, the president's new order giving the attorney general to make broad

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. koneeping 'em honest, what will americans get to see first? despite how it sounds, it's neither a loaded question or a joke. last night, the president gave attorney general barr sweeping powers to declassify any intelligence related to the beginning of the russia investigation, including fbi surveillance of his campaign. he signed the order just hours after accusing the former top investigators of treason. >> if you look at comey, if you look at mccabe, if you look at probably people higher than that, if you look at strzok, if you look at his lover, lisa page, his wonderful lover, the two lovers. they talked openly. you know, they didn't use their private server, because they didn't want to get caught. so they used the government server. that was not a good move. he talked about the insurance

policy, just in case crooked hillary loses. and what didn't work out too well for them. so you look at them, they wanted an insurance policy, so that should she for any reason lose, remember? 100 million to 1. maybe he said 100 million to nothing. but should she lose, we'll have an insurance policy and we'll get this guy out of office. and that's what they said and that's what they meant. that's treason. that's treason. >> well, that's the answer he gave. by the way, after being reminded by a reporter that treason can be punishable by death. and today, as former and current intelligence officials or professionals alike raise questions about the wisdom of it all and what the president's words on treason industrial fre still fresh, the president was asked some tough questions about his motivations. >> let me just tell you, it's not payback. i don't care about payback. i think it's very important for our country to find out what happened. >> he also said he was doing this in the name of transparency, which to his

critics, is kind of rich, given his unwillingness to answer robert mueller's questions in person or telling former white house counsel don mcgahn to defy a house subpoena or fighting one court subpoena after another to keep the financial entanglements out of the public eye or paying to finance stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. given all of that, is it any surprise the reporters asked him whether it's more about himself or the country? today the director of national intelligence issued a rare statement saying, i'm confident that the attorney general will work with the ic, meaning the intelligence community, in accordance with standards to protect highly classified information that if publicly released would put our national security at risk. keeping 'em honest, this is the same attorney general who's now being accused of cherry picking the mueller report in his summary of it and doing it in a way that puts serving his boss above the truth. the question now, would he do the same this time, selectively declassifying items to please the president. his defenders say absolutely not. but again, it's not an academic

question, given the agents who could potentially be blown, even accidentally or incidentally in the process of declassifying what after all is very recent, very sensitive stuff. some of it from very highly placed individuals. quoting from "the new york times" now, the most prominent of those sources, among them may well be a person close to president vladimir putin of russia, who provided information to the cia about his involvement in moscow's 2016 election interference. one of the former intelligence chiefs squarely in the middle of all of this, of course, is retired lieutenant general james clapper, director of national intelligence in the 2016 election campaign. he's also the author of facts and fears, hard truths from a life in intelligence. and we're glad to have him on the program. director clapper, given how attorney general barr represented or misrepresented the mueller report, is there any doubt in your mind that whatever he decides to do would be a cherry picked investigation that serves the president's interests? who do you think it would be above board. >> well, i would hope it'd be

the ladder, although i don't have -- based on the history thus far, i'm not real confident in that. to me, anderson, the bigger issue here, of which i'm unclear of is what exactly is the scope of this declassification authority? if it, in fact, means the entire russia investigation, meaning the intelligence work done on the interference, which goes back year, or is it more narrowly focused on the origins of the counterintelligence investigation? and from the media reporting, it's not clear which it is. if you listen to the president, he's kind of all over the map on this. on one hand, he says it's everything. and he classifies millions of documents, which implies the broader scope. and in the segment you just showed, it seems to be more limited to the origins of the counterintelligence investigation, which is much more narrow. so it would be very useful to

me, at least, and i think others, particularly in the intelligence community, to know what is the scope of this. >> but you're quite right about the potential for cherry picking. the bigger issue, of course, is potential -- as you alluded, potential compromise of some very potential sources and methods. >> and that's real? >> it's real in terms of the impact of potentially people's lives being at risk. and then ancillary effects like what do our both allies think about it and how confident are they going to be in sharing intelligence with us when they see potentially intelligence being used as a weapon, political weapon. and of course, adversaries are happy about it, because they go to school on this so-called transparency. and then think about assets. congressman jim himes from the house intelligence committee was on earlier today and he made a very good point about, you know, our great people, men and women out there in the field trying to

recruit people. well, how much confidence are potential intelligence recruits going to have when they see this sort of thing happening? when we tell them, hey, you can trust us, we'll protect you. >> you're talking about a foreign national working for a foreign government or whom ever, who might be recruited by the cia or intelligence agency, that they're going to be less willing to or potentially less willing to, because they're afraid down the road, my name could be revealed. >> exactly. i do take heart, by the way, i think i was really, really gratified, really pleased to see director of national intelligence, dan coats' statement, which i thought was very balanced and tempered. yeah, we'll cooperate, but we need to protect some things here. and i'm really glad he made those statements. >> do you think he was sending a message to barr or a message to the intelligence community to try to allay concerns? >> i think both. >> the -- and it's rare for him to -- i mean, that's not quite a few a statement you hear very

often from someone like dan coats. >> well, this is -- no, it's not. i mean, he's very selective when he makes public statements. and when they -- as a consequence, when he does make public statements, they count for something. >> what happens if barr requests certain things to be declassified, but coates thinks it's inappropriate to do so? has there been a situation like that before to your knowledge? >> none that i can think of off the top of my head. we're, you know, this whole situation here, we're in uncharted waters. and so, i don't know how that will be arbitrated. obviously, the senior classification authority in this country is the president of the united states. so i guess if it came to a dispute between the two and i think i could predict how it would be resolveded. >> just lastly, you were clearly on the president's mind today as he was flying to japan on air force one. he actually tweeted out a cartoon of you and former cia director james brennan and

former fbi director james comey. i'm wondering what you make of it? either your actual physical portrayal or just the fact that the president of the united states on his way to, you know, an important meeting in japan is tweeting out cartoons. >> first of all, i thought the cartoon likenesses weren't bad. i don't know who the original artist was, pretty good. i'm not sure what this is alluding to. there's been some discussion in some parts of the media about a discussion about whether or not to include the dossier or draw on the dossier as sourcing for the intelligence community assessment that we did in 2017. the important point here is it was not included as a source in the intelligence community assessment. so if there was, you know, john and jim have to speak for themselves. i wasn't aware of a debate or dispute between them. but i think the important point is how it all came out and the

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well, john walker lindh, the american captured in afghanistan who joined up with al qaida to fight alongside the taliban is a free man tonight. his lawyer says he'll live in virginia under supervised probation. hep spent 17 years in prison because he pled guilty to ten counts including conspiracy to murder americans, as well as fighting alongside the taliban. he had originally been sentenced to 20 years, but was released early for good behavior. released, despite the fact from prison he praised isis in a letter to the producer of the nbc news affiliate in los angeles, saying he thought isis was doing, quote, a spectacular job, unquote. lin lindh was often called the american taliban, although he wasn't actually part of the taliban, he joined up with al qaida. he was interviewed by a 32-year-old cia officer named johnny michael spann. shortly after the interview, the prisoner rioted and spann was

killed. lindh initially apologized for his radicalization but later said he wasn't interested in all in renouncing his beliefs. join me is mike spann's father, johnny spann. mr. spann, thank you so much for being with us. when you got the news, i'm wondering, "a," how you got the news, and i can't imagine what went through your mind. >> mr. anderson, the way i got the news was through a news reporter. someone in the news media called me and asked me if i knew about it, that it was going to be -- he was going to be getting released on the 23rd. and that's how i found out. >> you weren't told by prison officials? >> sir? >> you were not told by any prison officials or government officials? >> no, sir, i was not. i think -- our family was never considered to be a victim of any of that. i think i had to actually, you

know, file a document in the courthouse back just back when he was getting sentenced, just to be able to speak at his sentencing hearing. >> goodness. i didn't know that. >> and there was quite a time there that i didn't know i was going to get to speak or not. >> when you -- the fact -- i mean, he was sentenced to 20 years. i know you feel that he at the very least should have gotten life in prison. he's -- according to prison officials, got out for good behavior. but when i read that he had in los angeles, supporting isis, you know, in the last couple of years, i found that really interesting, because sort of the message we had heard from some of his supporters, people who felt he had. imprisoned for too long was that he had renounced those beliefs. >> okay, i'm sorry, i couldn't hear the last part. >> it doesn't seem like he has renounced his beliefs at all.

>> well, you know, cooper, according to all the reports that i'm reading, the things that i've read from the national terrorism center and foreign policy magazine and then of course the documents you're talking about now, and then i'm hearing the other officials there inside the prison saying they were very concerned with his jihadist ways and his radical islamic views, so, you know, it doesn't appear to us that he was. as a matter of fact, when i went to the courthouse last monday to file a document asking the courts, asking the justice system to do an in-depth -- a thorough investigation of those things, to see if they were true or not, because if they were true, to me, and our weigh of thinking, i read that program three or four times and those things would actually -- that would be -- he would be breaking his plea agreement. he wouldn't be living up to it.

so i wanted them to hold off and not let him out. but, you know, that wasn't -- i guess i got started too late on that, because i understand the president says that he could not stop it and senator shelby and congressm congressman adderhotel and others said they weren't able to do that, either. so i'm very concerned. >> if lindh had served his full sentence of 20 years, would you feel differently? is it the fact that he got out three years early, or just in general the fact that he didn't get a life sentence? >> no, you know, my family's law-abiding people. mike was a patriot to this company, to this -- to the united states. mike loved america. and he proved it by his actions. and we accepted the 20-year sentence. i didn't like it. i didn't agree with it. but that was handed down through the courts and through the system, so we agreed with it.

and if today had -- yesterday had been his last day of his 20-year sentence and there was no indications that he had not been a model prisoner, that he had not been renouncing his jihadi ways and his radical islamic ways, i would be saying, good, you've done your sentence, i hope you've reformed yourself, i hope that we've reformed you, and let you out. but you know, one of the things i've said about this, cooper, we sent people to prison to reform them, but in this instance here, if you go back and look at the lawsuits that he is involved in, once he got into prison, once he was admitted in prison, he reformed the prison system. we reformed the rules to fit what he wanted and that's not right. >> mr. spann, your son served six years in the marine corps. he was in college, went to officer candidate school, joined the marines and then joined the cia and died in the line of

duty, first american killed in combat in the war in afghanistan. i appreciate eyou being on and talking about your feelings in this moment and i'm sorry for the pain your family continues to feel and especially now in the wake of his release. >> yeah. cooper? >> yeah. >> do i have time to say one more thing? >> sure, of course. >> i would like for all the americans that's listening to this to think about one thing. if american people followed in john walker lindh's footsteps, would we be free? would america be free? would you be free? would your kids be free? i would like for everybody to think about that, because mike spann was a patriot, and he showed it by his actions. this guy was a traitor and he showed it by his actions. >> mr. spann, i appreciate that. and again, i'm so sorry for your loss. thank you. >> thank you. >> and in a moment, an update on the disaster relief bill that

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i want to give you an update of the $19 billion disaster relief bill that should have passed the house today. a single republican congressman prevented the bill from reaching the president's desk. he denied the house unanimous consent needed to pass it. the question is why did the congressman object? he cited a lack of money for the border and debate. president trump said he would sign the bill even without the border funding. chris you're covering the story on your show as well.

>> yeah. i don't know that pelosi has this one right. why do i say that? we had on the democrat senator and he said i think i'm going to get something done on the border. you have been chasing that issue. we have been chasing that issue. this relief bill, do you really want to put it on the relief bill? no, i think it's a good idea. he says i don't like it. i just got reporting from men and women on the ground with knowledge of the information. right now, they are holding a dhs with cbp custom border patrol more kid than they ever had before.

the kid that just died with the flu, this is when it happens. they have been trying to get hhs to pick up the kids. this is how kids die. kids are going to die. they're coming to me in a panic. chip roy wasn't wrong to say they should have done something about the border. whether this was the right way to hold this up or not, i don't know. that's for the politicians but i can't believe they won't get off the their asses and do something about these kids. they're going to die and watch them blame each other and it's going to be a shame. >> chris, appreciate your coverage of it. quick programming note, cnn presents a comedy special, red state blue state. preview of my howard stern interview. at 10:00 p.m. a full hour. learn about his parents and what his mother originally wanted to name him.

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features prominently in the book. >> it seems like you're almost content. to me, content is a bigger word. >> i'm happier. i'm not content. i'm still in therapy but i'm learning to stop and smell the roses. >> you have moments of contentment. >> i have taken up painting. i get tremendous pleasure from that. i have learned to enjoy little things that go on every day and i'm happier. i still have a lot of work to do on myself. i was reading the book and i'm going back into psycho therapy. i wanted to say hey, especially to guys in my audience that said that's all nonsense. i wanted to say it really had an impact on my life.

i want to be genuine about it. >> most people didn't change after a certain age. you have changed. >> i have. i think it's possible for anybody to do it. really, what are we looking for? we're looking to have better relationships with people and be more content with our lives. what do i know anderson? do you understand? i wish my name was anderson. can you imagine if i was an anderson? it wouldn't fit this face. you have to look like you to be an anderson. >> do you know it's a very popular first name in brazil. >> is it really? >> yeah, i don't know why. >> i think the name howard is on the list of popular names, i think it actually just broke into, i think it's 999. >> harvey which would have made my life more difficult. >> yeah. >> my mother was not good at picking names. my sister's name is ellen. she wanted to name her fern. so she would have been fern stern. my mother goes fern is a beautiful name and my father

actually stepped in and went are you crazy? so i'm not harvey, i'm howard. i would have gotten beaten up 20 times more if i had been harvey. >> he's a great person to talk to. you can see more at 10:00 p.m. eastern. right now let's hand it over to chris for cuomo primetime. >> thank you. i am chris cuomo and welcome to primetime. if the president wants the investigations to enld, why is he starting one? and what is the move for the democrats now? we have a house judiciary member here tonight that will be a key figure in the political battle to come and a freshman gop congressman single handedly held up a $19 billion disaster relief bill. but did he make the right move? let's have a great debate about that? because i have new information for you about how many little kids are being held in jail cells by cbp