harvey. >> he's a great person to talk to. you can see more at 10:00 p.m. eastern. right now let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo primetime." >> thank you. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "primetime." if the president wants the investigations to end, why is he starting one? and what is the move for the democrats now? we have a house judiciary member here tonight who will be a key figure in the political battle to come and a freshman gop congressman singlehandedly held up a $19 billion disaster relief bill. pelosi is incensed. but did he make the right move? let's have a great debate about that. because i have new information for you about how many little kids are being held in jail cells by cbp on the border longer than they should and the people on the ground are worried about the worst. they are begging our members of congress and hhs to help with these kids and nobody is doing anything. why? and we're going to end tonight with an argument about the biggest threat to our fighting

men and women today. on this memorial day weekend there's a call to arms that all of us must answer. please remember the fallen. and let's get after it. the president says he is not looking for revenge. listen. >> it's not payback. i don't care about payback. >> if he doesn't, why open an investigation that's designed to blame the russia probe on political enemies and bad tactics? let's bring in oversight hawk, democrat on the house judiciary committee. welcome back to "primetime." always good to see you. >> thanks. great to be with you. >> so, now what? >> well, look, this is an ongoing effort by the president to distract from the damning evidence contained in the mueller report.

let's remember this. the mueller report details a very broad sweeping attack by a foreign adversary by the russians on our democracy. it then details ten specific instances of obstruction of justice by the president of the united states. so what does the president do? he now wants to have an investigation to find out why this got started. he sure does read the mueller report because it's detailed in there. we know how it started. when it talked about information that the russians had dirt on hillary clinton it was shared within australian diplomat that shard it with the fbi. so we know how this began. this is an effort to distract from a very, very damaging report. >> it could work. >> evidence of substantial misconduct. it shouldn't work. >> an ag that believes there was spying. that it was all predicated on a dossier. >> right. but just like when mr. barr released his four-page summary and the media breathlessly waited for his summary, let's

remember who mr. barr is. let's examine his conduct. and let's treat them like trump election campaign press releases. >> what do you about it? >> we need the media to point this out, that this is an attorney general clearly acting like president trump's own roy cohen, who thinks he's there to defend the president and help facilitate -- >> but we don't have oversight over the ag. you do. >> no, that's right and we're still attempting to bring the attorney general before the judiciary committee and we'll get him there eventually by way of subpoena so we're going to do our part to bring this to the attention of the american people. but in the reporting it should be pointed out that he lost credibility. he is behaving like president's

own private attorney rather than the attorney for the people of this country. >> if you can't get mueller in the chair in public any time soon is it worth thinking about how to calm this down? because there's not a great avenue going forward in terms of consensus and you know this president will keep ratcheting up the reactionary moves and this will never end if you can't get mueller in the chair in public soon. >> yeah, i hope we'll get him before the committee in public. i think it's very important that the judiciary hear from him directly and it's important that the american people hear from him directly so he can walk us through the report, describe his conclusions. describe his findings. but we have to do this oversight work and be relentless in making sure that we get to the truth and making sure that no one in this country is above the law and prevent the president from engaging in an ongoing coverup but the way that we calm things down, i think, is to continue to get the work done for the

american people. we have passed over 100 pieces of legislation. we're driving down the cost of prescription drugs. we're working on an infrastructure bill. we passed equal pay for equal work. we passed universal background checks. lots of things. so we're getting things done focused on fortifying the affordable care act. driving down the cost of prescription drugs. so i think as long as we keep staying very focused on delivering on the important priorities of the american people that at the same time we can do both things. that's how we let people know we're getting the work done on the issues that matter in their lives. >> well, here's an issue that can't matter anymore and i promised you i'd keep you in the loop. i just got this information before the show and i'm not throwing something at you. i want your help with it. and it's your duty and it's the duties of people on both sides of the aisle. so men and women on the ground with knowledge of the situation say that cbp is in custody of

more people 0 to 12 years of age, kids, than they ever had in recent memory. they had 250 they had for over 72 hours. they see 72 hours as the bright line between when they are healthy and when they are not. that kid that just died of the flu, that time factor is relevant. they were begging hhs to take the kids. hhs says they can't. they're over capacity. we have six dead already. there's going to be tragedy. none of those bills deal with this. nobody is doing a thing about it. and i don't understand why. >> chris, this is a very serious situation. we had a number of hearings. we appropriated about $470 million recently. >> they spent it. >> related to additional medical care. no, i understand. we need to appropriate more money. we also appropriated $1.4

billion to help secure the border and provide fencing. so we made substantial appropriations. if we need to do more, they need to ask for it. >> they have. >> but part of this is also to look at the policies that have been put into place that are exacerbating the conditions at the border. so it's fixing the policies and our broken immigration system. we just passed the d.r.e.a.m. act. that's part of it. but in the short-term, making sure that there are enough resources at the border to keep these children safe and make sure that they're getting the medical care that they need. and that they're being properly processed. >> i get all of it. and everybody has to know. you've been a friend on this issue. when i talked to you about it before, you were open to it. a lot of democrats wouldn't. but i don't think you have time

for the protracted conversation and what's going to be put in there in terms of policies. this is a real emergency situation. there's nowhere for the kids to be. they can't be released on their own. you have more of them than they have ever had in recent history. 250. what if ten of those kids wind up being sick. they're in jail cells. not because they want to abuse them but they have nowhere else to put them. can't you do something now? >> that's why the policy that had been in place that children can be released to family members. >> they don't have any. >> but we didn't have the zero tolerance policy and people were processed. if they made an asylum claim, they were given a court date. so there's been a change in policy. i'm not saying there's not a crisis at the border, but part is exacerbated by a change in policy. we have to make sure that the agencies have resources they need. if there's an additional emergency that requires more funding, i can't speak for the whole congress but i suspect everyone would be prepared to provide resources to do it but the departments also have to be sure they're staffing up.

there's a number of positions that remain unfilled that will provide some relief and again, we have to take directions from the agencies. when they're asking for additional resources. we provide them. but i believe you're right. i have been to the border several time as have many of my colleagues. i think we will continue to go back to monitor ourselves. >> i know that the information is right and i know that they're in a panic and i know these people and what i'm saying is, do me a favor. i know it's not just on you, i know, but you have been a friend on this. >> no, no, it's on all of us. >> if you could just -- if you could just go to hhs, send a note because everybody is going away for memorial day weekend. i'm not about that. i'm just saying bad things may happen over this weekend and if you could just send them a note and say cuomo is saying they came to you and asked for you to take these kids and you said you couldn't, what needs to happen? it's just no way to measure a problem as in a metric of the death of kids 0 to 12.

i'm asking because you're in a position of power, and you've been open to this before, and i'm not just asking you. >> i'm happy to. >> thank you congresman. i appreciate you listening to this. i know there's a lot going on. thank you. i hope you have good interchanges with your constituents this weekend. >> i hope so too. have a good weekend. >> all right, you too. be well. i don't know how else to put this. i've never heard this before. 250 kids. all of these different sectors. when they hold them too long, this is when the horrible things happen. kids don't have to die. in situations like this, emergency moves can be made. we'll stay on this and i'll let you know what happens if anything. so this main story that's falling on everybody's head about the attorney general, if he weaponizes classified information, what does that mean? why is the enintelligence

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so,the president says the a.g. asked him to give the a.g. the ability to look into these applications and see how the russia probe started.

so now, the same man, this attorney general who has already shown an ability to make choices that preference this president has an unusual power. but this isn't the way the president sees it. >> he can then show them to the public. do whatever he wants to do with them. >> that's the problem. he can do whatever he wants to do with them. asha rangappa is here with three questions on what this means for the men and women keeping us safe. good to have you. i hope you have a great weekend. i hope you remember the fallen. thank you for doing this on a friday night. first question, what is the biggest risk of declassifying intel sources? >> the biggest risk is that it puts our existing human sources in danger and in doing so that enables russia in its efforts against the united states. in intelligence, the name of the game is not letting your adversary know what you know and when you let your adversary know, in this case by declassifying your sources who is giving you the information, you give them the ability to cut off that information which puts us at a disadvantage and them at an advantage. and that is not in the interest

of the national security of the united states. >> that already happened with the guy, or whatever the professor, and the threat is if you keep doing that who is going to work with you. what does that mean in terms of impacting the current operations to stop russian interference? >> right. so this is important. this is not something that just happened in the past. russia's active measures against the united states are ongoing. our intelligence community has said they're going to repeat this in 2020. so we rely on these sources and we also rely on recruiting new sources. this is both with the fbi and the cia. we recruit sources here and pass them off abroad. cia does it abroad. imagine that somebody at the cia is approaching. looking at them and saying can you make sure that my identity will never be known and to not be able to promise with absolute certainty that that will not happen, we will not have the ability to get these people to work on our behalf and that really impacts our ability to protect the country.

>> different third question than we planned. what do you think the chance is that when they look they'll be able to say they pulled one over on these judges. they pulled one over on the system? >> you know, chris, the fisa process is so regulated. the executive branch decides they want to surveil. there are statutory guidelines and thresholds that the executive branch has to meet and then there is a judicial branch that has to decide independently whether it has met the guidelines. so this is an objective evaluation and we know that the ig and the fbi is already looking at this. so i would say that accountability is good but if something has gone wrong it will be very clear and that could be conveyed by the ig and so far anyone that's looked at this including the director of the fbi has said that nothing has deviated from the strict procedures in place already.

>> asha, you are good to do this right before the weekend this way. it's important to do it right now. so thank you. all right. we have much more to come on this breaking news that we got you tonight. the situation at the border, i don't know why it's not resonating with people. i don't know what else should other than knowing that kids may die because we're holding them in ways that we shouldn't and yet nobody is doing anything about it. now, that came up for chip roy, this congressman that's getting all of this credit and blame for blowing up the disaster, the relief bill. we're going to talk to another republican member from texas about what happened there and what needs to happen on the border. we're lucky to have him. an important conversation, next. welcome to our lounge. enjoy your stay. thanks very much. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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so, congressman chip roy is a republican from texas and he's getting all of this credit or blame for stalling $19 billion worth of disaster aid. so the question is, why? he says two things. oe, you jump in on us last second right before we leave for memorial day, we should debate it. okay. second one, where is the money for the border? okay, we just got information that changes my perspective on this and it should yours. men and women on the ground with knowledge of the situation say they are holding more kids 0 to 12 years of age, what they call tender years, 250 of them, longer than 72 hours. they see 72 hours as an equivalent of when the oxygen runs out in the room. that's the line between keeping

them safe and when they start to get sick and worse. let's talk about this. lance, good to have you here. thank you, sir. congressman, appreciate it. like i said, i'm here for help. not to blame. i haven't heard them with this desperation before. you've been to the border, you've lived there, you've worked it. i've been there. 72 hours is a big number for them. they're not supposed to hold kids 0 to 12 years of age that long. they have 250 of them. they go to hhs, please take the kids. hhs says they can't. not that they don't. this is not about malice. why can nothing be done? they say we have to talk about the rules. they asked for more money but we have to talk about it. why isn't the emergency coming through? >> part of the reason we're in this situation is because republicans and chris cuomo are the only people that will admit we even have a problem. up until the last few weeks

democrats wouldn't even acknowledge we have a problem on the border. i'd go down to the border and talk to the people that live there and they would say we don't have a border security problem, we don't need a wall and we don't need to close the border and i'd say what about all of these children here. we have to do something. we have a crisis. it's frustrating to see my colleagues who campaign across the aisle say we're going to come to washington and work across the aisle and get something done for the american people only to see we've only passed 17 bills jointly as a congress since january 1st. five of those bills had to do with the government shutdown. the rest of them were naming bob dole a colonel -- >> important but not the big ticket items. >> it's very frustrating. >> so what do you do? you're new to the game but people put you in a position of trust. it is fair game for you to say, it's not us, it's them. we have been all about the border. pushback is, you have been all about the fence and the men and women down there were saying we're not a fence away from fixing this. i'm not against physical

barriers. they have their place. i don't think they're immoral. what is immoral is ignoring the rest of the equation. what i don't get is, what is missing in terms of also up the food chain of people saying we have to do something about this right now. bring in -- we said we can walk and chew game. bring in the czar from hhs and bring in the new dhs acting guy and what do you need now? is it something that the president can do with the emergency declaration? why isn't that happening? >> it's something that could be done with the emergency declaration but such a huge problem down in washington is the fact that democrats will not agree to anything if it in the slightest way means it's a win for donald trump and everything is so toxic. you saw what happened this week between him and speaker pelosi. there's such a lack of desire to

do anything that might in the slightest way offer up a victory. >> why don't you do it yourself as a shame campaign? if you don't do it then fine but it's on you. >> just yesterday i filed a bill that dealt with sanctuary cities to reignite that campaign to do away with those. it works in conjunction with the president's immigration plan. >> a legit part. but that's not going to decide whether or not a kid held in custody is going to die or not. >> absolutely. we have to spend more money on border security. that's one of the reasons chip roy blew the place up so to speak in the house. i don't agree with harming the families that are along the floodplain areas in iowa, georgia, alabama, louisiana, texas, people are suffering now. >> they weren't going to get a check cut this weekend anyway. >> we're now going to delay this for another ten days when we get back to washington so we're off all next week. i don't know that this will solve the problem but to talk about business as usual being a problem for members of the freshman class is important.

>> so you're in there, you're new. you have to be careful what fights you choose. that's a political reality. you say we have to find ways to work together. what's going on with pelosi and the president. fair point. the idea of moving on from mueller i see as a premise to that. put him in the chair. let all of us hear him. why did you leave obstruction the way that you did? is there something for us to look at? >> we would love for mueller to be in front of a house and senate committee answering questions from both sides. >> can i hear it or does it have to be private? >> i think you can hear it. yes, absolutely. >> we're hearing he wants to keep it private. >> isn't that interesting? we have democrats complaining about redactions in the report and now suddenly we're okay with mueller setting his own terms for testifying. >> i don't know that they're okay with it. the question is is the doj doing it. but don't you think if mueller

were to come in and say look here's why i said it the way i said it and he undersells it, there goes the air out of the balloon for the democrats. if mr. mueller doesn't think there's a lot more there, and if he says you should pursue these things then if you want full cooperation on the fisa things, i'm a journalist and happy to see the application. let them have the hearing, and then it's up to the polls. they will feel the bite of the voter. >> everything you're saying is why nancy pelosi wants to keep her far left base of her voting bloc. she wants to make sure that they're not talking impeachment. when she hears impeachment she gets worried because she knows that impeachment is a losing argument for the democrats and we on the republican side are saying keep talking about impeachment but we're not going to get anything done and the voters are going to punish you for it.

>> why not work on this third way. you have left, right, and reasonable. reasonable is put muller in the chair. let him say, here's why i left it the way i did. here's what matters and what doesn't. >> that's a great idea but if you think that the democrats running these committees are going to listen to what he says and then say let's move forward for the american people like we thought they might do when the report came out. then i don't think -- >> but this message, having the ag set loose to cherrypick things, that's not going to help what you want to see. >> well your last guest said there's all of this national security implication, the attorney general redacted things that were important to national security from that report that he gave to congress. so if we trusted him to, which i do, to redact things that are important to national security, then i believe he is not going to throw a bunch of national secrets out there in this investigation. >> but he hasn't made himself a

fair broker to this point. >> that's an opinion i don't share. >> i understand but you're going to deal with it going forward. >> all the best. please let me know what you think you can get done on this issue. i'm happy to blow it up on my show on a nightly basis. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> happy memorial day weekend. >> honor the fallen. thank you. >> so we're talking about the kids in custody because that's something that's supposed to bring us all together, right? that's something that everybody can agree on. can they? in congress they'll blame each other but what will get done? let's take it to the great debate, next.

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any of you who are reasonable. so let's start there with tonight's great debate. karen and rich, and a rare moment, both of you most agree that we have to be able to do better than the answers we're getting tonight. karen? >> i agree with you and frankly, chris, i don't understand why it is that we haven't figured out how to marshal the resources and just, you know, cut out the red tape and get the assistance down there. particularly the medical assistance down there. you know, in the same way that you see firefighters sometimes going to other states to help with a fire, how about a call to action to get pediatricians and others down there to at least just provide basic health care for these kids. i don't understand it and congress is really messing this up. >> do you know what galls me, rich? if these were kids in oklahoma, i don't want this to happen to anybody but if it was like our

kids, right? this would have never been an issue. that is part of it here. now i'm not blaming anybody in particular for that because the democrats could jump on it. they haven't. the president could, he hasn't. the republicans could, they haven't. that's part of the reason why. they're not our kids. >> i mainly blame congress and i appreciate you highlighting this issue. in an afternoon you could do so much to alleviate this problem. just have a big package and do more wall funding and a lot of medical and humanitarian aid because i'm sure as your border patrol friends are telling you, they don't do kids. they're not used to dealing with kids. they don't have the facilities. they don't have the wherewithal. for a long time it was just single men from mexico. it's no longer that way, it's a different population with different challenges. there's all sorts of rights that you have that should be afforded to you but a lot of these people are economic migrants coming because the rules are so crazy they can get in and stay and never leave. that's why we created this

incentive for historic influx that is overwhelming us at the border. >> the only thing that bothers me about it is they can't do comprehensive immigration reform. it's not going to happen. even the idea, this isn't cynicism, this is practicality. this is just factual representation of the obvious. the president said during the campaign, dreamers, yeah, we'll take care of that. that will get done and the other day he said we can do dreamers. no, you can't. you can't do it as a standalone. they're going to want you to fund it with all the things the people on the right want and then the left won't do it so nothing gets done. >> dreamers is being handled through the courts. what should happen, with all due respect to what rich is saying, forget about the border wall funding. how about just a package, just money for humanitarian aid. again, doctors, make sure that they're getting the proper nutrition and that they're being cared for and frankly one thing

that i would say that is an all-around failure, we saw the shift in the migrant patterns over the last couple of years where instead of single men, we're seeing more families. so i think we also need to make sure that we are realigning our policy going forward to understand this may be, chris, this is a crisis right now but this may be a pattern for years to come and we need to do a better job of preparing for it. there's one thing that the administration could do immediately that would help. there used to be a program in place that the trump administration ended, children used to apply for refugee status in their home countries which prevented some children from trying to make the journey. that's one very small thing that could be done. >> they tried to work that end of it and get people to apply from mexico but the reason you have this flow is because if you are a family unit from central america because all sorts of rules and how they played out. you get in and you get to stay.

you're no longer in honduras or guatemala. if you can send a message to these folks, you're not getting in, please stay home, a lot more of them will and we can't have a situation where we have this constant influx. maybe a million people this fiscal year. that's unsustainable. yes, let's deal with the humanitarian crisis but let's do the necessary things to stop this flow at the border. >> but you're missing an important point. there's a reason these children and families cannot stay where they are. i have met some of them and talked with them myself so you're suggesting that people aren't coming because they're fleeing violence. we need to take a more holistic approach. we need to figure out what do we need to do to make it so they don't need to leave their countries. again, that is a policy prescription. >> the head of dhs, the acting head of dhs -- look, first of all, look, we all know the rules need to change.

the realities have changed when asylum laws were put into place it was about genocide and fleeing mass types of violence. it shifted. the dynamics are different. the acting head of dhs went down to guatemala to work with them and figure out what policies can be done. he can't be there now. he's going to have potentially dead kids on his watch and everybody is going to blame them. god forbid anybody in congress take the blame and the media will love to play it as a policing incident and i just see it coming and i think it's so damn regrettable because it doesn't have to happen. there's no question, the president could take ownership of this. he did the emergency declaration, and he got it, and some states are fighting. we'll see what happens. he could ask dod to do more. they could build more emergency tent cities and get more triage

help and he could make it happen and be a hero. >> but chris, the president can't spend money on his own and he shouldn't be spending on the wall. it's not legal. it's not constitutional. >> but he is. >> he shouldn't do that. >> but he is. >> congress should act, it's a congressional responsibility. you don't have to do comprehensive immigration reform. you just have to figure out how to deal with and stop this crisis at the border. it's very simple. >> i hear you but it can't be simple. especially among democrats that are happy just to have the flow continue and continue and continue. >> nobody can be happy about this. >> why don't they make it possible for us to return humanely families together back to their country of origin unless they have a real compelling asylum claim. >> i understand that those arguments get very sticky very fast about who you want in and who you don't want in and how. >> they don't want everybody in. >> nobody is for open boarders. >> why don't they do anything?

>> that's a good question. here's my point. have that debate. just don't have it right now. help the kids right now. >> i want to help the kids too. i'm totally with it. i'm glad you're highlighting the issue. congress should do it tomorrow, the next day, next week. it's fully within their power. but you need to deal with the underlying problem, too. >> fine, but just deal with this first. >> asylum rules that create this incentive for historic flow. >> i get your policy consideration. it's fine, and karen has her own. i'm fine with all of it. have it out. that's what democracy is about. but you don't start talking about how to deal with managing the forest when the thing is on fire. you put out the fire and then you talk about it. >> there's a crisis, let's deal with it immediately. >> good. >> i'm totally with that but there's also a policy reason this was happening that was within our power to change. >> i get it. i don't disagree. we're just focusing too much on that part and not the other and i don't get it so i'm alarming people or trying to and i appreciate your help in that effort.

karen, rich, i hope you find -- >> chris, before we go, just say how grateful we all are for the sacrifices of the fallen heroes in this country on this memorial day weekend. >> 100%, the one thing that should bring us together is that and our respect for them and their families. >> thanks, chris. after this week in washington, the president is getting out of town. he's doing one of his favorite things, which is going on a state trip tonight to japan and the prime minister is going to pull out all the stops. so we're going to pull in our own prime minister, chris cilizza, and he's going to talk about the tokyo charm offensive and what seems to work well with this president, next. glad you're back how you feeling? ♪ ♪ (both) exhausted. but finally being able to make that volunteer trip happen was... awesome. awesome. you have to scrub. what do they... they use for washing. ♪ ♪ let's do it every year. we'll do it every year. i thought you'd say that - let's do it.

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it? is it just being nice? is this just pro forma? or is this something special? >> hello, chris. happy friday. no. it is not just something nice. i would say those two are not mutually exclusive. it can be nice and have point. they understand how this president works and they understand that being played to he likes. he likes big shows. let's start, saudi arabia, 2017, i think we have video of it. donald trump. there he is. they are doing -- now this is the traditional sword dance they do in saudi arabia. he is not the first politician to do this, george w. bush did this. he likes this. he is not big candidly, on the one on one meetings the hard part of diplomat's but he likes the soft part, the big dinners, the tradition. that's number one.

number two. every remembers bastille day, emmanuel macron. donald trump, he has spoken about this to no end. if you hear him, talk about how impressed he was. there you see. you see the military. a transitional day, the ever po, circumstance, the military marching. it made donald trump want to -- chris, he wanted to have his own not bastille day but sort of honoring the military. thought maybe veteran's days, tanks and troops. the administration talked him out of that. but i will tell you, look at his twitter feed, he's already talking about his july 4th celebration and there's reporting out there he is intimately involved in it. >> he likes to be treated like the big dog. >> absolutely. >> and the question is, if you do it right, does it make it easier like when you take one of your swords that you used in the dance and you chop up a journalist like khashoggi, are you going to get better treatment from this president than you would have if you

hadn't done that? takes us to montenegro. remind people what happened here. he wanted to be the big dog. pushed that man out of the way, stood up in the front. i remember this. this was early on. and what does this tell us? >> so that's may 2017. yeah. i mean, knowing that we were going to talk about this tonight i went back and watched it a few times. even if you try to give him the benefit of the doubt i don't know how you do it. he quite clearly -- >> that's america first right there. >> the premise of montenegro has no idea what is happening. he looks book surprised, right, that donald trump is a guy, and he is someone who his whole life, what was it focused on, perception, how did it look? right. he wants to be the big dog, front row, he wants to be treated in a certain way and when foreign officials treat him that way, chris, guess what happens? >> good things. >> he is nice to them. we hear -- it's a very simple calculation, you treat donald trump the way he likes to be treated, he is more than willing

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please remember the fallen. this weekend is about those who didn't come home and those who come home but the battle doesn't end. our fighters are being taken at a rate that trump's any enemy abroad here at home, suicide is savaging our troops. it's mental health awareness month and our society in general is ravaged by depression and

suicide but no one is immune and yet it is much worse with our fighting men and women. three veterans killed themselves in one week last month on department of veterans affairs health care properties. 321 active duty members took their lives in 2018. look at the graphic. it shows how each military branch was affected. it's the highest number in at least six years. why? in 2016 the suicide rate was 1.5 times greater for veterans than non-veteran adults, part of the reason, war has changed. how we use our military has changed especially in terms of duration, warriors survive multiple deployments over many years. so how do we help them with all they endure? the va is trying, but there are 20 million veterans and it's got to be a priority for all the agencies and the entire framework of our society. now, i am not saying that veterans are prone to be unstable. that's not fair and it's not

true. veterans come home and do great things, almost all the time in every reach of society. their experience is almost always an asset for them for the rest of their lives. here's the thing. there are problems in getting people help with mental illness especially that play to sensitivities within the military, especially with men. stigma. men are particularly sensitive, particularly affected by this within the military. we need to eradicate the shame but especially these men the toughest of our tough, they suffer in silence, they think they'll suck it up like they did so many other difficulties. but this is not like anything else. it often only gets worse when ignored. we all say we support the troops. the problem is we just say it, we don't do anything about it. we know we've piled risk and stress onto these men and women but we don't balance out what we put on them, what they endure, with what we give them at home

to make them secure. employers, schools and families, anyone should have to be aware. i'm saying the vets but it's not just the vets. they're really not unique. they're uniquely affected but mental illness hits everyone. we all have stories, be honest, and too many end badly. they don't have to. reaching out, connecting, letting someone know you see them and what they're dealing with. helping them get help. that can be as powerful as any medicine. we know this two ways because all too often after someone has hurt themselves or others we realize they were isolated and that people were aware but didn't know what to do to help. and because we know what works, i have information for you. this isn't just about a problem it's about a solution and you can do it and i can do it. this information i'm putting on the screen, this is one of the best ways and one of the easiest ways to make a difference. it's called the columbia protocol. when they institute it in places, like in the air force,

it saves lives. they've reduced suicides. it works everywhere they try it because it allows us to help just by talking to someone in need the right way. please check it out. i'm going to tweet out the link. learn what to ask and how. remember to help. we are all in this together and this weekend, please remember the fallen. thank you for watching an ac 360 special event, the howard stern interview starts right now. welcome to this "ac 360" special the howard stern interview. howard stern has been known as a shock jock. wildan air stunts that were kriz criticized as vulgar and lewd. he became critically popular with a devoted fan base. but stern says he is now a changed man, looking back on those days makes him at times want to cringe. he went through years of