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intensive psychotherapy and moved off terrestrial radio and moved to satellite radio. joining sirius xm in 2006. he slowly began to reinvent himself both on the radio and in his own life through therapy. there was less raunch and more thoughtful conversations. his long in depth interviews with celebrities like jerry seinfeld and lady gaga and conan o'brien gave him the reputation as one of the best interviewers in the business. that's what he remains today. one of his most frequent guests over the years was donald trump, whom he didn't support in the 2016 campaign, even though candidate trump wanted him to. 11 of his conversations with trump along with his other favorite interviews from over the years are chronicled in stern's new best-selling book howard stern comes again. i sat down with howard for a fascinating discussion where we talked about the interviews he loves, his evolution through psychotherapy, and the advice he now has for president trump. >> i've been dreading this interview. >> why? >> i've read the interviews

you've done that are in this book and i feel like i don't know anything to talk to you about that you haven't already said a million times. >> that's the problem. >> the story of paul mccartny, the story of -- >> that's the problem. then i realized this is thing any that you go through. >> why don't you sit back and i'll just take this time and talk. i can do a monologue. >> i know you can. >> it's okay. >> because i've read every interview you've done i know what you're going to say. >> later on, insert your questions into what i say. that will work. >> we're not allowed to do that, unfortunately. >> well, we were talking before -- you know, we sat down and said hello and everything and you actually kind of got me inspired because i was really worried about putting out a book of my interviews. it took me a long time to come to grips with like oh, could i do that? to grips, oh, could i do that? and would it be interesting? and now that there's a compilation of people, interesting people i've interviewed, you being one of them. >> which i can't believe you put me in the book.

>> i'm surprised you would think anything less. >> i'm blown away. >> as i said in the book, you know, you said a couple of things that really triggered me and a lot of these interviews, i talk about the fact that i'm in therapy now. they kind of combine. after i spoke with you on the air that day, i remember specifically going into therapy and saying to my therapist i just spoke to anderson cooper and, wow, it's triggered a whole bunch of things in me. some of the things you were saying about your mother and your life after the death of your brother, and i was asking you questions, and the most sincere way when i was interviewing you i was actually trying to learn from you. >> you talked about therapy and a lot of people do not talk about therapy. and you have been very up front, you didn't just do therapy, you did psycho analysis, freudian at its height, four days a week, that's an intensive form of therapy. did therapy, did it save your

life? >> it did. it really did. it wasn't as if i was suicidal or something along those lines. but when i say it saved my life, it made me recognize, "a," how appreciative i am of my life. it made me recognize all the good things that i have. and it also taught me how to be a man, how to -- and by man, i mean i have children, how to relate to my children, how to be more involved in a conversation with you, how to be appreciative of you for giving me that interview. >> you had said that you were a selfish jerk, i think it was. >> selfish jerk. >> yeah. >> but i was also naive. it wasn't like i was intentionally going out to be a jerk. i don't think people, you know, would say i was a jerky guy but what it was is i had no notion of the world around me. i had not really had a relationship with my mother and father where i felt prepared in the world. and so when i went out i was doing things and i think a lot of my self-protection was closing down my emotion, closing

myself off to the world, and that kept me very well protected as a child. and the only way you grow out of that -- >> which is trauma. >> that's trauma. >> that's the reaction to trauma is closing yourself down. >> and i was one of the most closed down people and, you know, it took me years of therapy to realize that, hey, i can be a fan of anderson cooper, i can share the audience with you. i was like in sibling rivalry, there was no room for any other sibling. >> which is why you -- you were very tough on robin williams, which i know you regret, gilda radner, rosie o'donnell because in a weird way you were a fan of those people and that i never understood, like you were a fan of them, but you had to bring them down. >> there was a whole bunch of things. first of all, i was on the radio, terrestrial radio. satellite radio freed me in a lot of ways. >> no ratings and terrestrial radio you got quarters and half hours. >> i've got to keep pulling you

around, make sure you're sucked into my world and there was really no room to be gracious to a guest. at least in my mind. i had to keep those ratings going. so when robin williams would come in or if you would have come in those days i would have jackhammered you with ridiculous questions and the audience would have been cheering me on, hey man, that's great. anderson cooper walked in and howard asked him why don't you color your hair, or whatever the hell stupid thing, and you would be saying, what am i doing here? it's just silly. when i came over to satellite and i was in psychotherapy and i describe in the book how i really enjoyed in psychotherapy being heard, especially by a man. and this relationship with this man listening to me kind of opened me up to, wait a second, why am i goofing on rosie o'donnell? i appreciate rosie o'donnell. >> you wanted to create that atmosphere almost on the air where somebody is being heard, where you were actually having a conversation.

>> yes. if i enjoy that feeling of being heard, maybe my guests would be. and also it got philosophical for me. i kept seeing what was happening with social media and the art of conversation also dying and what i mean by that is everywhere you look now everyone is buried in their phone. we've become isolated. the art of conversation used to really be something. whether it was, you know, going back to the days of barbara walters, or edward r. murrow. >> it was an event. >> it was an event. when two people would sit down, who maybe accomplished something in life, and we would learn from them, and it would just be fascinating and interesting. and i feel like, you know, on a mass level that's kind of disappeared. we don't all congregate and listen to interviews and so i began to say to myself, you know, i really do want to get under the hood. i want to give that experience to my guests. >> but i think it's so interesting how, you know, you talk about childhood trauma, how

the -- i never really realized until the last, you know, ten years of my life or so, how much the stuff that happens in childhood, it never goes away. >> never. >> everything is based on that. you know, they say the first two years of your life as a kid are the most important because that's how things are formed. but -- sexuality, everything, it all comes from childhood, all patterns we're playing over and over and it seems in your case, particularly true. >> and not only that, i knew as a father, if i'm playing the same patterns over, well then i'm not doing a service to my children. i'm doing a great disservice if i'm not fully in the moment and i'm not really understanding what it is i'm trying to present as a father. >> the fact to me that you didn't even realize you had gone into radio at least in part because your dad was in radio. >> no, i was angry when people would say that to me. i didn't go into radio because of my father. of course i did.

you know, my father was a radio engineer who eventually got into being a recording engineer and had a recording studio. >> with like three other people. >> yeah, with four other people and so my father, with reverence, he would see a guy behind a microphone, i saw my father he'd treat them so nicely and what can i get you and he's completely involved with them. well, for a boy who was looking for involvement with his father i said to myself at an early age well, what else would i be? >> i heard you say something -- which made me incredibly sad which was you saw your father looking -- you saw your dad looking at him and you said to yourself i wish my dad would look at me in the way that he looks at this guy. >> of course. i mean, that was my dream to have that kind of gentle kind look would have been the world to me if my father could have seen me in that light as an accomplished human being it

would have blown my mind, you know. >> the other thing that is -- which i didn't know much about your mom, but it comes out in the book and you've talked about it obviously on the radio, is something i really related to, you know, your mom talked about -- about killing herself when you were a kid. >> yeah. >> and my mom used to talk about that. my mom would always say, you know, when i become a burden i'll just, you know, i'll take my life. >> look, you know, that's a heavy thing for a kid to hear and my mother had -- both my parents had very difficult lives. and my mother was very depressed. when she was 9 she lost her mother. her father sent her away with her sister. her sister was one year older than her. >> tried to get her into an orphanage. >> they tried to get her into an orphanage. it was full and they sent her off to, i think, iowa, or somewhere. and she went to live with these

relatives who -- you know, you can imagine. she had -- she would describe having one pair of underwear. she never had a toy. her mother died when she's 9. her mother goes into the hospital, no one told her that her mother went into the hospital and no one told her her mother died. back then they didn't tell you. they didn't talk to children. she didn't know what happened, her mother was just gone. you can imagine that kind of trauma and having a mother who's traumatized you learn early on that i can't bring to my mother any problem or any feeling because i don't want to upset her. i want to keep her spirits up. it would be too much for her, you know, i describe my mother in the book as a fine piece of china, don't want to break her and, you know, my mother, when i was in high school she lost her sister and her sister died in her 40s and that really sent her into a depression. and she didn't want to live.

>> it's funny you say your mom was a fine piece of china. i used to think of my mom as a space alien whose ship has landed her and she's stranded here and my job is to like protect her and sort of explain how things are on this planet. >> wow. i mean, that's interesting. all of this is just -- how do we, especially as men, when we're little boys growing up, we need mothers. and, you know, i think before therapy i saw my mother as the most powerful, strong woman who could handle anything and then i realized when i was in therapy, no, my mother -- my mother had to be protected. and so what happened for me is, is that i learned to bury what was going on with me. i didn't have an easy time of it. >> announcer: "ac 360," the howard stern interview, is brought to you by serta. not just sorta comfortable.

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i just had to deal with it. and i wanted her to be proud of me. >> it makes me think, the whole thing about trauma, it makes me think of all the people who -- it makes me so much more empathetic to other people because there's all these people who have all had trauma who have not been able to afford psychotherapy or any form of therapy who have not addressed any of this stuff. >> that's what's disturbing. i sometimes sit there in therapy and i go thank goodness i could afford this wonderful doctor who has spent his life really making sure he's a good psychotherapist. he puts his narcissism aside. you know, i was sitting in a psychotherapist's office and i said to him, the reason for this book is really you. he goes, now you're going to give me the book, it's not you, it's me. i interviewed those people. he goes, no. i said no, i want to dedicate the book to you. he goes, why would you do that? here was a man showing me he could put aside his own narcissism, sure, it would have been very flattering but it

would have been counterproductive to the therapy i'm getting. he's saying i'm genuinely interested in you. you don't have to bribe me or reward me with gifts, you don't have to give me a christmas card. >> was that a test? >> on my part? >> yeah. >> sure. >> i do those tests. >> me too. >> you talk about trauma and you've talked about it in relationship to president trump. >> yeah. >> that donald trump is a person who experienced a lot of trauma early on. >> from what i know of donald and his relationship with his father, it sounds traumatic. it sounds like the father was very domineering, father expected a lot of him and the father -- i don't know, there was military school. you read these drips and drabs and you go, wow, i can assure you he's been traumatized because, you know, donald, his level of narcissism is so strong. he has trouble with empathy, we know that. and i wish he'd go into psychotherapy. i'd be so proud of him if he did and he would probably flourish. >> he never has.

i mean he never would. >> there is no way -- i do not believe he has done psychotherapy. >> because he's demonstrating a lot of the behaviors that i recognize. >> tony schwartz, the ghost writer on the "art of the deal" has said he thinks he's a sociopath. >> i don't know. i'm not a psychiatrist and, you know, i devote -- there's a lot -- look, getting back to the art of conversation i could have called this book howard stern, the interviews, donald is a prominent player in these interviews over the years. and they're fascinating. i think the stellar piece in the book is when you read this back and forth with me being the wrestler, the referee to their wrestling match. >> with aj. >> aj, the columnist for the daily news, and donald trump and they're fighting over a woman, and aj is saying i was in love with this woman, why did you have to take her away from me? he goes atook her away from you

and i was better in bed than you. let's get her on the phone and we will compare. she was way more in love with me. aj goes you're a sociopath, you would send her articles where it said you were a billionaire and circle the word billionaire, and this is going on on the radio, i'm orchestrating this conversation that's unbelievable, some of the best radio you ever will read or hear. >> i found it painful to read. >> you found it painful because he's our president. is that why? >> just painful as -- that he was taking pleasure in this, you know -- i mean, i don't know who aj benza is, he was on your radio, i hope he's doing well but, you know, it's not necessarily an even fight. and, i mean, he's -- it's the argument of a 15-year-old. >> it's a 15-year-old argument and he's picking the wings off a fly. >> yeah. >> and so, you know -- >> as an interviewer i noticed this when i used to interview

him -- i don't get to interview him anymore because he doesn't do it. but he was very susceptible to flattery. and if you gave -- and i notice this, in your interviews with him you would throw out something like your poll numbers, never seen anything like this. >> well, it's a definite technique. >> it washes over him. >> yes, it's a technique. you know, it's like if you meet someone who has a bad self- -- oh, you're very beautiful, you're so handsome, you're this, you're that. with donald it always starts out, notice i call him in every interview, mr. trump, this was before he was president. mr. trump. >> that's intentional? >> absolutely. someone asked me, said why do you call him mr. trump? i said because it loosens him up. he feels respected, he feels good about himself. now he's going to roll. he's going to open up to me. >> when you see him now in the white house as president what do you see? >> well, you know, i go into -- >> given your history with him and how you know him. >> first of all, it's unbelievable to me and i've documented my thoughts about how this whole candidacy even came about, this was a publicity stunt.

i happen to have -- >> you have no doubt about that. >> i have no doubt because i have some inside information and the thing is that it started out with the art of the deal, the book, and it was a -- you know, a pr guy's idea, he said donald what you need to do is we'll make a sort of a rumor that you're running for president and donald's like, oh, so all the sudden he's being interviewed the book goes right to number one. when his second book came out that's when he decided to start the rumor he was going to run for president and then this time around in the last election the apprentice ratings were not what they were, nbc was not going to give him a raise and what's a better way than to get nbc's interest, i'll run for president and i'll get lots of press and i think that's what happened. >> do you think he likes being president? >> i don't think he likes being president at all. i think he liked winning the presidency. he likes to win. and, again, i'm not donald trump's psychotherapist and i've

had many good laughs with donald and in some ways i feel that he's been wrong the way they use my transcripts in a way to frame him and i'll give you an example. when he said the line about stds being his vietnam. >> vietnam, sort of like -- >> that was a very jokey thing on my show. if you went back and listened to the tape you would not take that seriously, he was in the spirit of the program. and then he was, you know -- they try to use that against him, hey, he's being -- how dare he compare himself to a veteran of the vietnam war who served when he didn't serve. everybody take a deep breath and relax. but having said that, the stuff i put in the book i think is very revealing about our now president and there's something to be learned there. >> do you think he's the same person that you interviewed now? >> yeah, i do. i think he's the same exact person. i think the only way you really change is to do analysis. yeah, i think he's the same guy. >> you haven't talked to him since you turned him -- he asked

you to speak at the rnc, i think, i had no idea about that. >> he used to call me from the campaign trail and i think he was really desirous of my endorsement because, "a," i have a big audience and "b," he's familiar with that audience and i think it would have been very comforting to him if i had gotten on board. when he secured the nomination and now he was thinking about the convention, i think he wanted some show biz there, he picked up the phone and called me personally and he asked me if i would go to the republican convention and endorse him. and i was like, oh, gosh, you know, for about a split second i went can you imagine if i was all in? i would be the head of the fcc. i could be the supreme court. i could be on the supreme court. i think donald would give me anything i asked for. >> you believe that? >> oh, i believe it 100%. if ben carson can get in there, i think donald would have appointed me to something. >> because he's transactional or he -- >> i think he would have been grateful that i'm on his team.

regardless of whether i know what i'm doing or not. >> what would you have wanted to be? >> the only thing i really wanted was i wanted him to take me to camp david because i -- you know, my father and i used to joke about this, that if the american public got a good look at camp david there would be a revolution in this country, that presidents should not be treated like kings and shouldn't have retreats. they should be in the oval office working. what is this camp david and what's going on over there and who the hell is paying the bills? >> you think camp david is very luxurious? >> have you ever been to camp david? i haven't been there. >> i know there's a golf course. >> we cannot treat our presidents like king. i always say the greatest president was george washington, they said do you want to be king? he goes, are you jack asses? we just fought a whole war over this. do you want me to be king? >> do you think trump wants to be king? >> he would love to be king. then it might be fun. off with their head. >> you think he had those tendencies. of course he does.

we all know donald. he would love to rule the land with an iron fist, sure, absolutely. >> do you think he wants to get reelected? >> i think psychologically if he really got under the hood i think he'd say what am i doing, i'm in my 70s. [kno♪king]

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if you could interview him now -- have you haven't spoken to him since you turned down the rnc. >> when i turned it down it was the last time we spoke and he said, you know, what are you doing? and i explained to him in the nicest way it would be difficult for me, i said i'm not really actually comfortable being a public speaker, which i'm not. i tone like going up. i never was a stand up comic. i don't like getting up in front of audiences. this radio studio suits me just fine. i'm alone with robin, she's my audience, i'm in heaven, it's great. so, you know, it struck me as even odd, i know he was a hillary clinton fan, he was a supporter of hers so the whole thing was weird. and i am -- i have been a hillary clinton supporter way back before even when obama when

she was trying to get -- >> 2008. >> yeah. i think she was a terrific public servant. i thought her husband was the best president we ever had. >> you tried to get her repeatedly to come on your show. >> i did everything that i normally don't do. i -- including going to the "new york times" and the "washington post" and doing an interview with them, excuse me, and supplying them with my whole game plan with hillary and the whole game plan was i wanted to humanize her to my audience. >> you weren't interested in talking about politics or policies. you wanted to talk about her childhood. >> her childhood. i wanted to humanize her in the same way. there's a couple of people in my book where i interviewed them and the audience's perception changed just from one interview. >> it's interesting, hillary clinton, she must have known that was the idea. it's interesting that she did not see that as a benefit. >> i don't have the answer.

>> i think it says something about her as a candidate. >> it does. i'm glad we're talking about it. whoever becomes the democratic nominee, even if you're fighting for the nomination i applaud those people who go to fox news like mayor pete who said, you know what, i want to win this thing and he got a standing ovation at fox news. impressive. that was my point to hillary. i knew donald trump from being on the air with him for so many years and he provided some of the greatest radio. i knew he was a good communicator. what do i moon by communicator? he talked like a dude. he just knew how -- he knew the audience. he knew how to play to them and they liked him. they liked him. >> he is, you know -- he has a real charm when he wants to be he can be charming. >> he is absolutely charming, he is very charming, you know. and so when i saw this and i was a hillary supporter, i did go on this campaign and i documented it in the book and i detail it and i think it makes for

interesting reading, but at the end of the day i never did here from hillary's campaign. >> who in the democratic field would you want to interview now. >> i don't know. i don't do a lot of political interviews. i'm kind of fatigued from it. i'm talking about for my radio show. >> i assume even if you were doing democratic candidates now, it would be more about their background. where they are coming, just as you wanted to do with hillary clinton. the current crop, a, do you find any of them, the current crop, "a," do you find any of them kind of interesting in their life story and "b," do you think any of them can actually beat donald trump? >> again, what i do is when i interview people i have -- i generally have an interest in them. i am curious about mayor pete because, number one, an openly gay candidate, to me, i salute him. it's not going to be easy. there's still so much of our country that is homophobic and, you know, we could sit here in new york and say, hey, right on but he's going to catch a lot of hell. and i admire his service to the country.

i also find him when he speaks incredibly intelligent and knows how to talk. >> so you'd like to interview him. >> i'd be curious about his life, i really would be, and the adversity. but biden would be just as sort of interesting to me, in a way. you know, i kind of find all people interesting. >> you never interviewed biden? >> no, i've never interviewed biden. there's something interesting in everyone. that have made the rx the leading luxury suv of all time. lease the 2019 rx 350 for $399 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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you said, you know, it's easier to talk to your mom on the radio than it is -- >> oh, yeah. >> i wrote a book with my mom by email and it was just us asking each other questions and it was done by email because -- >> how mind blowing is that? >> it's so much better than asking face to face. >> but that makes me sad. >> well, yeah. >> this is your mother and you had to find some device to communicate with her. >> part of it was scheduling but yes.

>> but looking her in the eye. >> i'm a wasp. i keep everything pushed down deep inside. >> would you be able to look your mother in the eye and really tell her about your pain in life. >> i have, yeah. >> you have? >> yeah. >> how did that go? >> you know, it took a while. it was hard to do but yeah. and it was essential, actually. >> was she able to hear it? >> oh, yeah, no, my mom is the most empathetic, you know, i mean, she's thought -- >> she didn't try to make it all better. in other words, she didn't say to you, oh, anderson, your life's not that bad, i had it rough. >> no, no. but she -- i'll tell you honestly when we were doing this book at one point she was like you know what i don't want to do this email anymore, i'm tired, i'm 92, how about i talk to you on the phone, you type it all out. i'm like, i've got three jobs, i'll give it a try. we do it for a day and at the end of the day she says to me,

you know, i love talking to you, especially when it's about me. i was like, mom, that is the truest thing you've ever said to me. >> it's good that she could say it to you. >> yes, no, she -- >> it's so interesting this dynamic between mothers and sons and fathers and sons. i mean, it is, as you were saying earlier, that -- that is sort of the backbone of this book. and, hey, talk about growth and therapy. i was able to write a book about other people. i couldn't have done that early in my career. this book is really celebrating other people. but in a sense it's also the most revealing book about me. because of the questions that i ask you start to realize who maybe i am. >> i also think it's something -- it's a letter to your daughters. i mean, i -- >> it is. >> being presumptuous assuming

this, when they have kids. my dad wrote a book about his family and my family and i read it two times a year because it's the only thing i know of my dad and generations of sterns from now on can look back and read this. >> you're 100% right. you don't know how deep that goes. >> and hear your voice which is incredibly important. >> i honest -- when i was writing the book, i always had my daughters in mind. and the vision i had was that i was going to hand them this volume and tell them, jeez, i hope when you look back on your father's life you look at this and you have something to be proud of. and i really had them in mind when i wrote it. it was me talking to them and saying, look, you know, i know i was a workaholic and i was very devoted to my career but look at the good that came out of this, look at these interviews and what i've collected and i thought in a way it was

revealing myself to them in the way i'd like to be seen by them. and at the end of the day my first two books caused them a lot of pain. they were too revealing. it was too raw. it was also me trying to just kind of be this outrageous maniac. it was too forced and it was -- i don't know what i was going for there. but this book i hold up as like this is who i am. >> my -- i told you my dad wrote a book. he did some public radio in 1976. they restored it, put it online and sent me an email and said, you can listen to this and i clicked on it in my office and it was the first time i'd heard my dad's voice since i was 10 years old since he died and i couldn't remember what he sounded like so i was thinking about this not only -- for your daughters and your grand kids and great grand kids, ultimately, to be able to even hear your voice on the radio, that's an extraordinary thing. >> it really is extraordinary. i don't know that i've really

allowed that to sink in. but with the book i did. there's something about -- first of all, i love the look, the feel of the book. i like the picture on the front. i feel there's something genuine about it and ultimately when i open that book up on every page i go wow this was an accomplishment. this was something good. there was a time in my life i couldn't appreciate what they were telling me. i couldn't even stop and enjoy that. all my insecurities, i think oh my god, what am i going to do to top this? and i sat back and i had just been dealing with this in therapy yesterday and the therapist said to me why can't you enjoy the fact that you were on stephen colbert and he gave you the whole hour? i hadn't stopped to reflect that something good had just happened. >> i don't -- i can't enjoy at all. how do you get to the place where you can enjoy? >> i think i just had to sit back and say, you know, some good things are happening to me and you know why you can't enjoy

it? because it would make you vulnerable. and that struck me as a profound thing. >> it makes you vulnerable because if it goes bad -- >> no. if it goes good, it makes you more vulnerable. you feel love in your life. you feel like, wow, somebody was good to me, i owe something to somebody. >> i am a catastrophist, if i say to myself things are going good -- >> something bad will happen. >> then something bad is going to happen. if i don't take enjoyment in things then i also won't feel pain in things. >> that's the story of the jewish religion, you would sit there and hang things and pray to god that nothing -- you know, something bad would happen and when something good would happen you pray to god, don't look at it, because something bad is now going to happen. this is what we're playing out. you're really jewish, you don't know it. >> i wanted to be. i begged my mom for a bar mitzvah. i went to so many bar mitzvahs.

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it seems like you're almost content. to me, content is a big word. happy is a -- >> i'm happier. i'm not content. i'm still in therapy. but i'm learning to stop and smell the roses. >> you have moments of contentment? >> i do. i describe in the book, i've taken up painting. i get tremendous pleasure from that. i get to enjoy the little things that go on every day. i'm happier. i still have a lot of work to do on myself. someone said to me the other day, i'm reading the book, i'm going to go back to psychotherapy. that was the big push. especially some of the guys in my audience. i wanted to say, it really had an impact on my life. >> most people do not change after a certain age. >> that's right. >> you have changed. >> i have.

and i think it's possible for anybody to do it. we're looking to have better relationships with people and be more content. i wish my name was anderson. you have to be like you to be an anderson. >> i don't know what that means. >> did you know that anderson is a popular name in brazil. >> it is? >> yeah. i don't know why. >> i think howard -- i think it's 999. it is -- >> i wanted to be named harvey. >> that should have been a shonda. >> my sister's name is ellen. she wanted to name her fern. fern stern. my mother goes, fern is a beautiful name.

my father said, are you crazy? and i'm not harvey. i'm howard. i'm thankful for that. i would have been beaten up 20-times more if i had been harvey. >> thank you very much. i hope you enjoyed this interview with howard stern. his book "howard stern comes again" is out now. thanks for watching. the following a cnn special report. his business practices are opaque. >> everybody else lost that goes bankrupt. he walks away between $30 million and $50 million. >> the allegations of deception. >> we're developing. it doesn't mean we're the developer. >> often little guys get left in the lurch. >> with a financial catastrophe for us. >> it's hard when you have been ripped off. it's a big name. how could this happened?