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i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. does president donald trump actually want to be impeached? that's today's survey question @smerconish.com. i raise this at the end of a few days of insult trading between the president and house speaker, each questioning the other's fitness for office. on the surface it looks like the two don't like each other. and that pair being petulant. and both might be true but i suspect there's more going on. numerous reports say that nancy pelosi wasn't acting impulsively, but that she planned to engage the president as part of a strategy to push his buttons. and when the president responded in kind, he seemed to be
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inviting the initiation of impeachment proceedings. kind of like clint eastwood as dirty harry. you remember "go ahead, make my day." maybe that's exactly what he wants. why? because with the knowledge that the democrats can't muster the 20 republican votes needed in the senate for conviction, he knows he's working with a net. the house will impeach, but the senate won't convict. instead like the mueller probe, rali ing raling rallying around a verdict. do you think that's too strategic for trump? maybe he's just annoyed by the accusations, that's why he walked into the rose garden midday on wednesday and blasted both pelosi and chuck schumer. aaron blake from "the washington post" proposed a third possibility.
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quote, perhaps this is a bit of a reverse psychologist. maybe trump is indeed legitimately worried about how all this might turn out but he wants democrats to think he's goading them into impeachment. if he makes it seem like he's really concerned about it and does all kinds of things it will make them believe they are walking into a trap, a trap it bears noting that they were already worried was a trap. i call the george costanza. if he wants impeachment, democrats will the do the option. of course, there's a fourth option. namely that the president is not being strategic, he's not no concerted strategy other than to be provauk tifl and always on offense. every day for him is another installment of his reality show. and by fighting with the house speaker we are no longer focused on possible war with iran. chinese tariffs, whether don
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mcgahn will testify. or trump's taxes. what do you think? go to smerconish.com right now. cast a ballot, does president donald trump actually want to be impeached? also this week, the president ordered intelligence agencies to assist attorney general bill barr in his review of surveillance issues surrounding trump's 2016 presidential campaign and the launch of the russia probe. what are the implications of that? joining me now dan abrams, chief correspondent for abc news, and author of theodore roosevelt and the defense. we have these two narratives. number one is george papadopoulos has a couple of drinks, says something to an australian diplomat, he tip off americans and that tips off the investigation.
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the another narrative, the strzok, page and emails, james comey, et cetera. will that resolve the difference in those narratives? >> i don't know it's going to resolve it. but let's be clear on what we actually know. you can actually connect the dots on how the investigation started. starting with carter page back in 2013. moving to papadopoulos the day that the investigation actually starts officially on july 31st, 2016. so, the problem, the fundamental question with regard to this inquiry or investigation, is what is the serious credible allegation of wrongdoing up to this point? exactly, as you lay it out, there are suspicions. there are questions. we know that page and strzok sent texts that they shouldn't have sent. but why do it this way? why give the attorney general this sort of sweeping power to
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usurp all of the other intelligence agencies, with regard to classification, without any serious credible allegation of wrongdoing up to this point. >> the concern from democrats seems to be that barr can't be trusted. and there might be selective release of information. does that pretty much sum up the worry about him? >> yeah, that's a fair concern. i mean, look, barr now has enormous power, much more power, than an attorney general would typically have vis-a-vis other intelligence agencies. declassification is something that is really important to intelligence agencies. as you can imagine, that is -- you know, that's what their basic coin of the realm is, is protection. we can assure you that we won't disclose where we got this information. we promise you that we'll keep this confidential. when you have someone else who is outside their organization,
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now able to say for whatever reason, i'm going to now -- it's declassified, but also potentially make it public, that's very scary to other intelligence agencies. and it comes back to this question again of what's out there so far that would lead to this kind of very significant almost draconian measure. >> but, dan, are democrats inconsiste inconsistent? because on one hand, they want to see everything from the mueller report, give it to us unredacted. and yet, in this instance, they don't seem to want to know everything about the origin of the russia probe. >> but, no, you can want to know everything it's how you do it, right? typically, the way you do it, the inspector general of the fbi will go about investigating how did this happen. there was an investigation into the hillary clinton matter. we learned a lot about peter
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strzok and lisa page, in the context of that investigation. there's an ongoing investigation into the fisa warrants that the. that's the way this is done, not by giving the attorney general a sweeping power. i don't think you can say on one hand they're asking for transparency and on the other hand they're saying no transparency. i think in one case, you have robert mueller who has written a report and investigated it. and now the question is we want to know what it is he said. the equivalent to that would be the inspector general doing a report and saying we want to know what the inspector general said with regard to this happening. what they're doing here is they're offering barr really an unprecedented power over these intelligence agencies and that's what makes it different. >> dan, when many of us got our first look at dan abrams, you
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were 28 years old and covering what we thought was the trial of the century, o.j. now, you've written a book. i guess you're saying, no, i got it wrong. this is the trial of the century. give us one line on what the book is about. >> it's theodore roosevelt being sued in 1816 testifying in his own defense. we had a 3,000-page transcript that we had to go up to syracuse, new york, to get because it's been a footnote to history. this has front page news everywhere. roosevelt had to defend himself, his legacy, franklin roosevelt testified in his defense. it's a legal thriller that is a libel base. >> i read it and enjoyed it. and it does read like a novel, congrats and thank you. >> thanks. i want to know what you
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think, answer the survey question, does president trump actually want to be impeached. i'll give you the results at the end of the hour. what's come in, kathryn, from social media. from facebook, i don't believe he's smart enough to play games with pelosi. you're overthinking it by trying to only liz his behavior. he's a reactor and that was his reaction. kathryn, that's one of the four possibilities, to use w's word that there's no strategiery involved here. as the case against robert kraft has unraveled some may look at his wealth and privilege, now brace yourself, for other reaction. should we yet be appreciative that someone of his forces were able to fight off a case of police overreach? and the question, what percentage of public high school students have special needs that
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entire extra time to take the tests? here's the answer. it depends how wealthy the neighborhood is. and the story of a woman who loved her dog too much. when she died she said the dog should be killed so her ashes can be buried with her. it reminds me something that michael douglas told us in the movie "wall street." >> one thing you got to know about wasps. they love animals. they can't stand people. you might take something for your heart... or joints. but do you take something for your brain.
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"animals as persons." professor, at the heart of this case, we regard animals not as persons, but as property. >> that's right, michael. animals are property. they're things that we ont. they don't have any inherent or intrinsic value. they only have extrinsic or external rights. >> we do have laws against animal cruelty, how did this take place? >> we have animal laws. they don't do very much, i have to tell you. because the dog was her property, she had the right to value the dogs just as any of us who dogs or cats or rabbits can value them. you can value -- had this woman lived, she could have taken her dog to a veterinarian and had the dog killed. she could have taken the dog to a shelter, signed over shelter,
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if you don't find a home to this dog, you can kill the dog. that's happening every single day in the united states and everywhere else. people are taking their animals to veterinarians and having them killed. she just happened to do a situation which has gotten her attention. there's nothing unusual about it. really, people are killing their animals every single day because they're aaccording a low property to their property. we can treat them high and treat them as members of our family we can aaccording low value or use them as guard dogs or catch mice in our stores, or whatever, they're just property, michael. that the problem. what i've been arguing we have to think of them as persons. >> it's the pet personality status that also gives us control, i think the wording you would use, over food animals. if we should up-end this
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thinking it would have ramifications -- it would literally upset the food chart? >> el were, look, people are horrified how we treat food animals even though they continue to eat animal. the thing there, animals have interests. it costs money to protect their interests. so, as a result, people who are producing animals for meat or dairy or eggs or whatever, are recording the level of protection to those animals that they have to accord, and no more. the level of air they have to accord in order to officially exploit those animals and they don't give them any more protection. you know, what's sort of interesting about this reaction that this woman did to emma. first of all, people done understand that animals are property and they can take their dog or pet to a vet and have the pet killed or dog killed. what's also curious, michael there's really no distinction between the dougs and cats that
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we love from the pigs and chickens that we eat. most of us think it's wrong to inflict unnecessary suffering on animals. but for whatever, it doesn't mean we can impose suffering or death. 99.99 use of animal use, the suffering that we impose on animals is for pleasure or inconvenience. >> you don't regard this as a case of you'euthanasia? >> no, i don't, euthanasia is, if the dog had cancer and was suffering, killing the animal would be correctly described in euthanasia. euthanasia is never in the interest of a healthy being, killing or not. we use euthanasia to make us feel better about it.
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but it's not euthanasia at all. it's killing and it's wrong. >> professor gary francione. thank you for being here. what are you saying on the smerconish facebook page. from twitter. she would be prosecuted if she killed him while she was alive if the dog was healthy. what gives her authority when she is dead? >> john, there seems to be a disconnect in the case. as i was discussing with the professor. it's almost as if you can't have that dog emaciated while caring for the dog. but, hey, according to your will, you want it put down, we're going to allow that to take place. that's wrong. there's also another issue here. that is the legality or lack of legality of that urn having been buried with her under virginia law. but the whole thing is distasteful and terrible, right. still to come, the other than of the nfl team that looked
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takopina, he's filed a civil lawsuit on behalf of 31 as yet uncharged john and jane does allegedly caught on tape. counselor, who do you represent and why? what's going on in your civil suit? >> well, we represent at least 13 peopl 31 people, a class, who went into this massage parlored. licensed massage parlors and by the way, committed no wrongdoing, no allegations of wrongdoing, somehow being unsarpttiously recorded by police in a state of undress. it's almost as if they put a cram in the bathroom. these people ranging from 40-year-old males to 75-year-old females. in the state of undress, michael, getting massages. legitimate massages and wound up on videotape that is perilously close of being put out. >> there was no minimization
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strategy here by law enforcement? they just recorded everybody? >> which is illegal. it's a basic tenet of any surveillance, be it wiretap or videotape surveillance. when the high court witnessed any violation of intrusion that the court has to be sure that what the police captured was criminality. and what you just said, minimize, a basic tenet of any surveillance. minimization is police have to watch the videos and make sure that criminality is occurring. if the criminality is not occurring, they must shut off the videotape. that's not what happened here. they let it rip 24/7 for five days. i guess they went off and got lunch or something. but no one was monitoring it to the point where they were shutting off activities that were illegal. and they were recording innocent individuals in the state of undress. that's why that tape is deemed
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illegal. >> let's see if we can upend conventional wisdom. convention ol wisdom is to look at kraft and say, oh, the wealthy guy, he beat the rap. counselor, should we all be thanking him because he had the sources to and no pun intended expose this. for people taking their lumps who weren't doing anything they shouldn't have been doing and had their rights protected? >> yeah, we should be thanking them. bill burke and the lawyers have been doing a great job of showing what they've done is illegal. don't forget, the state attorney, aaron burg, went out when this arrest occurred, and pronounced even in jupiter florida, there's slaveriry.
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th sl slavery. this is all about people going into a massageparlor. and if it was robert smith, not robert kraft, we would have never known what happened here. and there was serious violations of privacy rights and serious violations of the law by laurw . enforcement. >> one other aspect that bears on privacy rights, correct me if i'm wrong, when cars were pulling out of the strip center, again, no pun intended, where the spa is located they were pulled over without any probable cause so law enforcement could learn the identity of who had just left the premise. am i right in that? >> you're right on that. they made up some pretext on the stop. but then again, it's the fruits of the poisonous tree.
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there are fourth amendment violations they should never had in the video in there the first place because there was no human sex trafficking. to take it one step further, the rest of the evidence is illegal or suppressed to stop it from happening, the information derived from these illegal stops would also be suppressed. this case should have been dismissed about one minute after the tapes were suppressed. for some reason, the state attorney is hanging on to this case, trying to appeal something that's not appealable. i think don't know why they can't just move on. >> by the way, i've invited him on to discuss this, lest anybody thinks that side wouldn't be represented. this is the reason i wanted you, joe. this was little really page one everywhere. when first announced that kraft was caught up on this. it was literally, i'm thinking
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of the "times","," b14. >> michael you said it perfectly, when it first happened there were press conferences everyone was there, the sheriff to state attorney aaron burg. he was on every show. and saying human sex trafficking. obviously that never happened. they admitted that never happened. now when they've done something wrong and everything that they promised in the early days of the press conference fell apart it sort of is, like we said, a back take story, not right -- robert kraft, by the way, who i don't represent, has done very good things for this community and as a philanthropic individual. and the way he's been treated i don't think is right. >> joseph takopina, thank you for being here. >> thanks. >> people can send their email to joe, not to me, on this segment because i know what the reaction will be like. but that's okay. what do we have, kathryn, from
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twitter? >> at the end of the day, robert kraft committed a crime, he solicited prostitution not once but twice. he broke the law and should pay the price. really, jim? and what about let's take counselor tacopina at face value. what about his 70-year-old female client who was getting a legitimate massage in that spa. disrobed for the purpose of that massage? and she's caught on tape, too? no, sorry. i'm happy kraft fought it for all of our privacy rights. i want to remind to you answer the survey question of the day, at smerconish.com. does president trump actually want to be impeached? up ahead, why are one-third of students in affluent schools given extra time for s.a.t.s? are they gaming the system?
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when it's time to take the s.a.t., or the a.c.t., how likely is it for a high school student to qualify as having special needs when it comes to getting extra time or other accommodations? well, turns out it depends where they live. in public schools in poor areas, it's 1.6%. in wealthier neighborhoods, how about scarsdale, new york, it's 1-5 or 20%. westin, connecticut, 25%. newton north high school outside of boston, 33%. those are the findings of the "wall street journal." in this story, many more students especially the affluent get more time to sake the s.a.t. well, knew next guest experienced this first hand when he took a standardized test at a high school in suburban chicago. ezra wallach joins me now, and wrote about it for his high school paper. including this story, testing
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accommodations four times the national average. ez ezra, you're taking the s.a.t. or a.c.t., what did you see? >> basically what i saw, i was seeing a lot of my friends and classmates going in different classrooms based on what they would have gone or based on their last name. so, i looked at my school website. they had all of the room numbers listed based on alphabetical order. i saw kids were outlined by their last name. i found that number was correct. also i started talking to my friends. a lot of them are frustrated that they had kids in ap classes or accelerated classes because they were competing against some of the same high schools. and i also heard from high schools, friends or sibelings had gone to doctors and got a
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fake adhd diagnosis and used it to get extra time or accommodations on the s.a.t. and a.c.t. >> so bottom line, a quarter, a qarter of your classmates received an accommodation. i think you used the word "fake." so that answers my next question which was, do you think all needed it? >> basically, adhd in general is very overdiagnosed in the united states as a whole. so, i mean, there's definitely a percentage of kids in my school who did need the individualized flan or the 504 plan. but there are also a good percentage of kids who are misdiagnosed who use that to get extra time. i'd say there are about 5% or higher of kids who would go into doctors, go in with the idea faking adhd which is the idea of their parents and use that to get extra time --
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>> ezra? >> yeah. >> i'm worried and i think you're probably worried, too, about a student who has adhd. a student who sufficients from significant anxiety. the thing we want to do here is protect them but make sure no one is taking advantage of the system, right? that's the goal. >> yeah, i mean, the whole system for accommodation is trying to make the test more accurate. that's what it does, with kids who have a learning disability extra time. but what happens is these kids who don't need the accommodation extra time, it can skew the results and delegitimatize the kids who need the extra time. and it kind of makes the whole system unaccessible, from kids versus accommodations that they actually need. >> where are you headed? where are you going to school? >> colorado college.
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colorado state. >> good for you. and hopefully, an investigative journalist when you come out of there. >> yeah, i'll try my best. we'll see what ezra, congrats. glun >> thank you. what do we got? if i had to take the assessments or act in this testing area i would definitely develop anxiety. you know how i feel. i feel we put far too much attention on how you perform on one saturday morning. by the way, i'll just say this, the reaction we have is we hear these wealthy communities have a quarter of students getting extra time. you say that's outrageous. they're gaming the system. you know, there's a different interpretation which is to say, they have the resources in those areas for a proper diagnosis. and it's a shame that in the poor areas, the kids who suffer from adhd and have anxiety
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issues, they go unrecognized before they lack that type of analysis. so, you know, there are two ways of looking at this. i suspect the truth as it usually does, lies somewhere in between. all right. still to come, it is memorial day weekend. our next guest commanded s.e.a.l. team 6 when they killed osama bin laden. now admiral william mcraven has written the story of that day and others leading special ops. and you may remember his previous book which was the number one best-seller about the importance of making your bed. >> if you make your bed every morning, you will have accomplished the first task of the day. it will give you a small sense of pride and it will encourage you to do another task and another and another. and by the end of the day, that one task completed will have turned into many tasks completed. ♪
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his final assignment was as commander of all u.s. special operations forces which of course included s.e.a.l. team 6 and the raid on abbottabad that killed bndz bin lade ed osama b. the new book "make your bed." by the way, admiral, i got up and made my bed not because i knew you were going to be on the show. >> good on you. >> it was you who decided that the raid on abbottabad would be neptune's spear, apostrophe and all. how come? >> you're right. normally you have a computer that generates a innocuous name so the fact you can't tie the
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mission to the name. but in this case, i took a little bit of commander's liberty, if you will, i had a small figurine that we had purchased in venice. i thought it was very symbolic. neptu neptune, riding on a mythical sea horse. he had his spear in hand. i didn't want to name the mission after poe si poseidon. i doesn't want it to be remembered as pose sidi poseido adventure. i thought neptune's spear was the right way to call this. with an apostrophe. >> with an apostrophe, which the
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computer couldn't handle. much like on super bowl sunday, addressing pop warner, then in college and now in the pros for the big game. to speak to the operators who were about to go on the mission to get bin laden. what were the last words you spoke to them? >> yeah, so, to your point, and obviously, the seriousness of a mission like this far eclipses anything like this you'll see in the super bowl. it's interesting, the guys approach it like game day to some degree. they were standing around the fire pit. they finished putting on their kit. i came to talk about them, i hadn't thought about what i was going to say until i approached the guys standing around the fire pit, getting ready to go on a mission. i realized every one of them had thought about this day and would they be the guy to go on the mission. my message to them was simple. every one of you had wanted to be on the mission to get bin
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laden. well, this is the mission and you are the men. so let's go get bin laden. >> you know, admiral, as i read the book and you referenced the movie, so i know we're both fans of "it's a wonderful life." and it strikes me you've got a little george bailey in you. the stray '59, philippines 1951. you were on a plane where 24 lost their lives. if we lost admiral mcraven, a lot of missions would have been impacted. >> well, that may or may not be try, michael. what i would offer is, you know, anytime you lose men in combat or in training, you realize hundreds of thousands of lives are affected. obviously losing the great air force pilots and crew on stray 59 was something i never forgot. and i always ask myself, you know, why were they lost, when their families would have wanted them around. and yet, somehow, myself and others were saved.
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and i wasn't the only one that might have been on that plane that night. but it does, you know, help you reflect on the importance of destiny. and the fact that life is fragile, sometimes. and you have to be very careful. it also helped me take a harder look at the missions we did with our ac-130s. and if that meant anything, my heart to their family goes out to them. i hope that reflected on me to make better decisions on air crews that would follow in the foot steps of stray 59. >> we've all heard the song. i want to play five seconds of it and ask why it has significance to admiral mcraven. roll it. ♪ happy anniversary baby got you on my mind ♪ >> what does that have to do with a four star admiral? >> well, as simple as it sounds, you know, i think everybody
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getting ready to jump out of an airplane generally has a little tradition that they bring with it. something that they hope will keep them safe. and as strange as it sounds. every time i stood in line, getting ready to jump out of a i always played that in my mind and sung it quietly to myself. i hope quietly to myself. i hope nobody else was listening and somehow felt those words would protect me as i jumped from the plane. it worked most of the time, but not always. >> i want to read a paragraph before i let you go. it's my fafrt part of the book and it says this, as the casualties mounted and my daily routine involved visits to the combat hospital, i never forgot the kindness of those who helped me through the tough times after my accident, not a week went by without some wounded soldier pleading with me to keep them in special operations. they didn't need that second leg. they could see fine out of just one eye. they shot better with a
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prosthetic hand. but as the commander, i had a job to do, there were rules to be followed, people to be notified, forms to be filled out. i had to follow the regulations, but somehow my damn staff kept losing the paperwork. one of these days i need to check in into. hey, admiral, you still haven't gotten around to checking into that, have you? >> no, i still haven't. you know, michael just yesterday in fact, a young sailor was asking me, you know, how i made it through the challenging times, and i told her, i said, it was simple, you know, you spend time around the soldiers, sailors airmen and marines, the great civilians that work for us and you can't help but be inspired by their courage, by their commitment, by their sense of duty, and then you go to the combat hospitals and you see these young kids who have been horrifically wounded and all they want to do is to get back to their unit. if you can't be inspired by that, you don't have a soul. >> the book is great. thank you so much for being
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