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we are here to mock you, to taunt you and to give a strong rebuke. that is what we're here for. >> this building right here is the one place that a woman in the state of mississippi can get an abortion, and these people out here show up every day to harass women who are going in there, which means it's got to be one of the hardest days of a woman's life, these people show up to make it just that match harder. this week on "united shades of america," we're in jackson, mississippi, talking about reproductive rights, reproductive justice, child birth, sex education, women's health overall. we're also talking about this. >> you spit on the cross -- >> no matter what side you're on, i think we all have to agree that this is towtally [ bleep ]. i don't throw it around so i feel like i get one.

>> do you believe in punishment for abortion? yes or no? >> there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah. >> most one of the issues people were most concerned about with trump was access to abortion. and they were right to worry. carry on. >> exposing america's killing machine. >> it would be easy to do a show about the abortion debate, get you all fired up and when we started making the show, i thought we were doing that. we even filmed a couple of interviews with anti-abortion

activists. >> what's there to debate? >> you can watch it online. after spending a week in jackson, mississippi, i learned that a person's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion, reproductive rights is just a small part of a bigger discussion, reproductive justice. reproductive justice is a social movement started by women of color that includes reproductive rights but it also looks at the right to have a child, the right to not have a child, the right to parent the children you have, the right to control birthing options, the right to affordable health care, the right to comprehensive sex education and much more. it includes trans and nonbinary folks as well. some of you are out there googling right now. >> i believe irrespective of the circumstances the life is worthy of the protection of our laws.

>> and that's >> thanks, marco. >> you can be arrested, criminalized or prosecuted. if there's death to a fetus or any type of harm. when you really think about it, 15% to 20% of women who become pregnant experience a pregnancy loss. so all of these women, whether they have an abortion, whether they have a miscarriage or still birth all benefit from roe v. wade, are all deserving of their constitution rights, human rights and dignity and respect and they're not getting it. >> yes, yes. that's where you come in. >> this is erin williams, senior attorney at national advocates for women. >> when we're talking about mississippi specifically, laties fisher is poor, black, a mother and a wife. she experienced a pregnancy loss, specifically a still birth at home. >> the grand jury indicts a mother. the crime she's accused of

committing, killing her newborn. >> there are a lot of different reasons why a woman in her situation would have a home birth. but what is happening because of this concept that comes out of your vagina, you're responsible for it, you have to guarantee everything is perfect about it. she's being prosecuted and criminalized. and that's also true of a lot of other women, like the case of angela carter, who is a woman in d.c. who had been battling cancer off and on for many years. she ended up being pregnant. the hospital decided because she was 26 weeks pregnant decided, we have to save the baby. we can't save her. over her objections, over her family objection's and treating o.b.'s objections, they got a court order, performed the cesarean surgery, the baby came out, only lived for two hours. and she died two days later. >> that's d.c. that's not mississippi. >> that's why i don't want

anyone to think that's just mississippi. i don't want anyone to watch the show and go, oh, this is just the south. >> 35-year-old renot dray is the mother of two boys. her first two were delivered by caesarean sections so in 2011, she was determined to have a vaginal birth after caesarean. >> she talked to her doctors about it. all on board. she goes in to have it and these are different doctors. they say we want you to have caesarean surgery. they literally tie her down, they cult her opt her only and punctured her bladder. i know. when i heard this, i was like where am i? where am i? >> we have to think about what is wrong with us as a whole? where did we get broken?

>> health insurance what called me to this work, not just abortion work but the ways in which i could impact this ideology of women are supposed to put aside everything. if you think about our constitution and gaining constitutional rights. when the 13th amendment was ratified to the states, enslaved people were added to the constitution. white men who were in power did not lose their rights, though. if we add fetuses, embryos and fertilized eggs to the constitution and say that they are persons, personhood, they deserve personal rights, there is no way not to affect the woman. she will not have her right to liberty tied down, she would not have her right to privacy ripped open. she would not have her right to due process or equal protection. you are literally ripping the woman out of the constitution, which is the opposite of what roe did. >> i learned the difference

between reproductive rights and reproductive justice, which is not something i ever understood as being different and that we're not looking at this in a 360 degree way. >> youa arhear reproductive rig, you say, oh, that's abortion. i don't immedianeed to think ab abortion. it's put beautifully by audrey lord who says there is no sin e single-issue struggle because we are not single-issue people. you can't just focus on poverty and generational poverty without also thinking about the wage gap or also reproductive health care, not just rights. all of these issues intersect and we can't just deal with one. >> the fact is is that you can see all those things come together, all the inequities and injustice come to the in the bobo -- together in the body of one pregnant woman. >> stop the patriarchy.

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women at her hospital were given hysterectomies. >> living legends are all over the place. >> yeah. >> lori is a black queer activist and head of the mississippi freedom fund. she's been engaging in black roots activism since her teens. you know she had to show up at those kavanaugh hearings. >> i don't think we understand how much history came out of here for black people. >> not at all. >> there are certain cities we focus on and jackson's not one of them. >> for the blue people liked to crap on mississippi, the strategy are techniques that came out of the struggle in mississippi. so without the fight of fan each lou haimer and every day people throughout the state, right, we wouldn't have all of the things we have today. >> so can you talk about how you

came to this work? >> one day while i was here in jackson, i was asked to come to a reproductive justice training. because i don't like people to think i'm stupid, i go, oh, girl, great. i had to go home and google it and i said this is the dopest thing i ever heard of. it's focused -- access to health care is a human right, including abortion, including birth control, including the right to be sexual is a human right, right? for pleasure, not for p procreation. i'm a rape survivor, an incest survivor, a molestation survivor. i had seven children by the time

i was 25. i almost died when i had a miscarriage at a public hospital. i've gone to false allegations with cts. right to parent is sacred to me. i remember sitting in that training and i cried during that training. they had to stop because i was weeping. it just resonated with me in my spirit. so i'm here to fight tore that every day. >> there is a part of this you're involved in which is about the intersectionaly in this. >> one thing i learned about is the intersection of health care and the poor community and we disproportionately get bad care and when we put race on top of that and where you live on top

of that, usual talking about mult multiple barriers and discriminations. then if you talk about preproductive rights and and health access and even being recognized as a sexual autonomous being, that's a whole other level of w.t.f. welcome to mississippi. this ain't oakland,bo bro. >> mississippi is really bad at all the stuff you want to be really good at look number 50 in

health care, number 49 in economy and number 48 in infrastructure. if you've got all those issues, why the hell are you screwing up sex ed? you have big are fish to fry. and you like frying fish. sex laws in mississippi mandate a lot of things. first, they separate the kid by gender, as if will's only two genders. plus, in the me-too era, shouldn't we all be in the same room talking about this stuff? >> after the groups are separated, all they're allowed to talk about is abstinence or abstinence plus. abstinence is what it sounds like. kids don't have sex. and because it's mississippi, they throw god in there. kids don't have sex because god said so. and absence plusses, didn't we just say god said don't have sex? the plus also means they're allowed to talk about

contraception. >> the condom is wrapped in a crinkly paper. >> just talk about it. can't tell you how to use it and not doing demonstrations. but the state of mississippi don't control what i do. so people of mississippi, here's how you put on a condom. you never have to worry about a banana getting you pregnant. you're welcome. there's a group of high school and college students who despite what they were told got on the internet and figured it out for themselves. called teen health mississippi, they've come to the state capital to draft a bill on sex ed law. once again, my home state has to show them how it's done. >> there was an abstinence only class, which was our p.e. teacher just yelling about sex is bad. there want anything about lgbt education or anything like that. it especially alienated me

because i was beginning to question my sexuality. i was like what about girls? are they going to do the same thing to me? >> i had training about what is a healthy relationship, consent. what is a good healthy relationship between two people romantically, it would have helped a lot of people in my life and my pierceers' lives. >> so much of it is the positive value of healthy relationships versus the negative values of negative relationships. >> we leave that out with abstinence own -- only. >> i remember having a circle on the wall which was like a circle of emotion like grief, shame, guilt, after you had sex. >> none of them were like joy,

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>> literally you represent women's reproductive abilities. you're delivering right now. >> they have four kids and they're getting ready to have their first baby together. what was sex education class like when you were growing up here? >> if you kiss somebody, you get pregnant. if you get pregnant, i ain't raising it. >> the wonder of human sexuality in two sentences. >> exactly. there was this other uncool thing where you take home this sack of potatoes. >> we had five pounds of sugar. >> i thought that on happened in sitcoms in the 80s. >> this is the 80s. >> i thought that was "facts of life" or "different strokes" or something. >> no. we had those babies but we

didn't have the education around sbs. >>while amanda grew up in mississippi, she started her adult life in chicago where things were very different. >> i say that's where i came of age and just started exploring myself as a sexual being and just becoming a woman. i was with this guy and that was my first relationship where i was just very physically intimate. we ended up getting pregnant and he asked me so what do you want to do about it? that was the first time i heard that language. i was like what do you mean? people get pregnant and they have babies. he was like, no, you don't have to have a baby if you don't want to. and i thought about it and you're right, i don't want to have a baby. so i went through the term nationa -- termination and promised myself i'd never do that again. then two years later, i met this guy i thought i loved. the first time we had sex, i got

pregnant. this guy was like, we're not having a baby. i was like what? i was devastated. i terminated this pregnancy. a year and a half later i was pregnant again. i knew i was not terminating that pregnancy. >> you already told yourself -- >> i got to do it. but my partner was not a partner. it was pretty bad. when he was born, i felt this huge as soon as sense of relief. it was pretty traumatic from labor and delivery to now we have a kid. i didn't have anybody in my life that was with me, other than my partner, who was toxic. we ended up coming back to jackson to get out of this toxic situation. i just had a chance to really experience the world. so coming back here, it was traumatic for me to come back

here and be like, okay. but i didn't know at the time i was pregnant. by the same partner. i felt like because of the trauma around titan, why would i have another baby? i'm barely taking care of this baby. and i saw an ad that was like if you think you're pregnant, we can help. for me i was like i know what this means. >> amanda thought she was going to an abortion clinic. instead she was one of the millions of women around the country who are tricked into going to places like these, run by anti-abortion activists, and the goal is to get you to go here instead of the actual abortion clinic over here. confusin confusing, right? >> i had my mom take me to the abortion place. they put me in a room. now this room has religious stuff around.

religious in the south for - people to say it's religious because everybody's got some stuff. >> exactly. >> an old black lady comes in. >> they brought the closer in. >> exactly. the old black woman comes in. is this your first pregnancy? no, this is not my first pregnancy, i have a baby. and she says do you have a picture of your baby? and i took out my cell phone. and she said now what if somebody killed him? i was like this i'm in hell. i hadn't looked at the abortion laws and timelines. >> of course not. why would you do that?

let's take a look at the timelines. mississippi like many other states says you have to get an abortion by 20 weeks, though last year they tried and failed to get it down to 15 weeks. this year it's been proposed it should be six weeks, but the crisis pregnancy center's goal is to confuse and distract you until it's too late for you to have the abortion that they had no intention of giving to you in the first place. >> by the time i came through, it was over. i knew. >> so you knew it was over? >> i was post partum depressed and depressed about having another baby in this situation. i was dead, a walking zombie. i don't know how titan survived. i wasn't a real person during that time. i was just doing what i had to

do. when megger was born, he was a beautiful little baby. he cried. he was perfect. >> can i ask a question? did you ever have regrets about the two pregnancies you terminated? >> yes and no. yes because i knew that they were -- they had the potential to be this person but then no because i don't -- i don't know. it was so early. >> you don't think of those as babies? >> yeah. it might sound like harsh but there's this misconception of why people have abortions and what they mean. you have to think like if a woman feels like she has to go through these hoops and expose herself to these opinions and a thousand ideas in her own best interest, how can you not respect that? >> so how different is this pregnancy from all that odyssey

we just talked about? >> it kind 's kind of full circ because he said what do you want to do? that was the first time it was my body and that was very different and powerful. i guess i'm like we're going to have a baby. >> you've been over here quiet while she tells the story. i'm sure you heard the details before, otherwise you might have some questions. >> what? >> cut the cameras, everybody out. >> i know! >> i feel like i went through like a mini series or something. >> announcer: "united shades of america" brought to you by sleep number.

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today i'm going to the only place in the entire state of mississippi where a person can get an abortion, the pink house. due to the nature of mississippi's laws and the number of doctors available, they only see patients three days a week. so it's pretty quiet around here, no patients, no protesters. i didn't know what to expect but what i found was a bunch of bad ass women busy at work like diane, the owner. >> ultrasounds are done here. this tells us exactly where she is in the pregnancy. we go to 16 weeks here in this clinic. after that if she's farther than that, she's going to have to go to another state. >> you can come here, think you're 15 weeks, find out you're 16 weeks after you've gone

through the gauntlet, maybe you've come from far away, take time off work and then you have to figure out another state to go to. >> and start the process over. and as states continually pass these kind of things, it just makes it more difficult. >> a growing number of states have incrementally increased regulations on abortion clinics. and all that's added up too clinics struggling to remain open approximately curre open. currently there are seven states that only have one abortion clinic. >> whatever they're experimenting with here, it's coming to you soon. when one out of four women in this country have had an abortion, chances are pretty good that someone you know has been through someone's doors like this. and it should be a positive experience. for me it's just such a privilege to be with someone who

needs someone during a difficult period of their life. does a fetus have any value? absolutely. but that woman is the living human being. and we never take our eyes off of that. that's what's important. >> now let's meet my favorite person in jackson. ms. betty. >> it was happenstance that brought me here in '95. i retired from the state of mississippi, state government. someone told me you got some free time, go up and help the ladies at the clinic. so i did that. after a few days i was director here before i retired in about '04. >> i heard you mention the word retired twice. >> yeah. i keep doing that. >> why do you do this work? >> i enjoy what i'm doing and feel like i made a difference. >> i can't tell how old you are because good black don't crack. >> you are the smartest man i know.

>> you retired in '95. >> i'm 75 this year. i offer them forms and then my next one is birth control and then i go into the counseling session. it's all connected. my mantra is people in my generation died for this. people in my generation were beaten for this. and so i don't care if they don't want to hear it. i tell them anyway. >> down the hall from ms. betty is the director of the clinic, shannon. along with her many duties, she watching the camera for protesters. >> these people are very dangero dangerous. a lot of them are on the terrorist list. we keep a dossier. this is across the united states. and these people are a lot of people that are out here. >> wow, it's crazy. i don't mind if you keep looking at the camera --

>> i don't know how -- i'll feel safe if you're looking over there and not reacting. >> shannon got her start here when she came in for a part-time job. later she found out what was at stake and she ended up taking it all personally, and that's on top of being a mother of seof s. >> you're an incredibly strong person. what keeps you doing the work? >> once you realize why you're here, it's hard to leave. i know people need to place, i know people need abortions, i know that people need to make their on choices. where you've never been in certain situations, you don't get. when people come in here, i get it. because of situations i've been in, i get it. it's like how can you judge me? how dare you judge me? you know, it's like we've had people just stand over there and

have to end up having to come here years later and, you know, it's like you don't wake up and say i think i'm going to go have an abortion today. that's not the point of it and they don't get that. they don't get it. i had to learn that my job was not to convince those people, my job was to help hold up the ones that were trying to walk in, let them know they can hold their head high and it's okay. so i don't bother with that anymore. every now and again i go out there -- >> just as part of your break? i've been staring at the screen long enough, i need to cuss somebody out, get it out of your system, get back to being a hero and staring at the break. >> yeah, i needed a break. i do that. >> i had a great time talking to these ladies. let's be honest. this is not a regular day here. we went back the next day. while there were a lot more protesters, i noticed something.

>> it's thinning out over here. i think it's the cameras. the family is leaving. we come every day, we can help solve this problem. they should just hire fake cameramen every day. these videos recorded by volunteer clinic workers are a lot more like a typical day. >> today could be the day a crazy man comes out and kills you. >> enough of that bullshit. you can google that yourself. instead i talked to volunteers who deal with this crap all the time. you're volunteering? >> absolutely. >> you're not on the payroll? >> no. >> you're not getting george soros' checks? >> no. >> we need to talk to someone in h.r. i moved and they don't have my address. >> what is your job?

>> we're here to escort people from the car. >> the women have to come from over a block away and walk back up. they will stalk them. >> wow. this is so intense. what made you decide to do this. >> i think it's a woman's choice. she should have that choice. it just frustrated me that they're accessing health care and they're out here yelling at this many and i thought they shouldn't have to walk back alone. so i need to be here. it's a shame. i shouldn't have to be. but as long as they're on the sidewalk interfering with a woman's right to choose, i will be here. >> you're soldiers, in some way. you're like protecting the for the. >> we are. they're still going to stand here but we're not going to let them be comfortable. if you ant want to harass our patients, you're going to have to earn it. >> i don't know if i'm sweating from the heat or the pressure of the fall of democracy. time for. i have no idea how we're going to get through this.

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while it's true that the state of mississippi is about as red as can be, jackson is a blue dot in the sea of red. and currently it's led by the democrat beiic mayor. i talked to him after the state of the union to see what he thought about the clinic. >> i greatly disagree that women have been harassed as they enter the health clinic. it's something we are focused on

erid ka eradicating. >> then he said something that i wish more men could say. >> i can't tell a woman what to do. >> and men telling a woman what to do especially love it when it involves two words -- planned parenthood. >> people say why go to planned parenthood because they're abortionists. why go there? >> i would have been happy to do that but the only other players offering health care for uninsured people would not give them to me. where is that other place? is it in the harry potter books? >> before some of you get too judgy, slow down. >> when i was 19, i told my mom, i said my period is not normal. you know, this has been going on for five years. all of my girl friends, they know when ant flow is coming for a visit and have i no idea. it's always a big surprise every

single time. she said that's not good so she knew something was wrong. we went to the obgyn together. they found i have polly cystic ovaries. every month when your oaf riff -- oaf ri -- ovary releases an egg, my body was holding on to the egg and creating an egg every month. >> the doctor said it's a good thing we caught this early, we need to put you on birth control pills. that medicine was fine and dandy until ephs unemployed. was about to run out of pills and there was a free clinic and i went there and the guy rushed in. he does the blood pressure and he's looking in my face, in my ears. and he's like, okay, you're

good. i said actually, i also need these two prescriptions filled and one of them is birth controlled pills. he said birth control pills, we don't do that here but planned parenthood does. i said okay, i made my appointment with planned parenthood. i found it because the protesters were outside. it didn't occur to me that where i'm going is a very controversial place to go. >> you're not going for the i don't want to have a baby side of it, which is your business even if that's true, you're going because i need medicine. >> and this is the only place i can get it without having health insurance. parked the car, walked through these protesters, they're in my face, they're car, walked through the protesters. they're screaming baby killer. you need to give your baby a

second chance. i walked in. the doctor saw me right away. i got three months' worth of pills for $10 and walked out through the protesters. >> planned parenthood is one of the leaders for health care for everyone. in 105 counties it is the only place people can get birth control. only 3% of their work is abortion. the rest is sti testing and treatment, contraception, what? lgbtq support, hormone replacement therapy, and cancer screenings for everyone. hey if you just want to go for birth control pills or an abortion that is fine too. >> when the three months ran out i just couldn't face them again. i felt so attacked. so i told my dad. and being daddy's girl, as a grown woman, my dad went and picked them up for me.

that's how we roll. >> that's how i want to be a dad. the other thing it makes you think about is not everybody has the option of asking somebody else. >> they don't. >> a lot of people i talked to this week talk about the impact of how it affects poor women of color, specifically black women. you don't seem like you're in that category. i'm not trying to shame your finances. but i think not being prepared to have doors closed to you, having doors closed to you. >> when you look at access to health care there are certain groups that don't have that. it is either based on where they live or their financial situation. or the color of their skin or all three. going through that and seeing some of the things women have gone through that i haven't or haven't since made me realize we have to do a better job making things available to everybody. >> thank you. >> thank you very much.

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people when they need to come into town to have an abortion. we pay for gas. we pay for hotel rooms, people's medication. we give people direct money in their hands for their procedures and we also help them get birth control if they want it after their procedure. >> to be clear, abortion is one part of what you do but certainly not all of it. >> not at all. we've started helping people who are parenting, so we give away diapers. we do work with racial justice. we've bailed people out of jail who have been prosecuted in reproductive ways. in a lot of ways we're more like a grass roots social service agency than we are just an abortion fund. we do a lot of things. >> it's about supporting women where they need support. ultimately, to me, that's what i think about when i think about the south. there is a very strong community

of, like, what do you need? i got you. i would like people to think about that when they think about mississippi. >> when i moved here i was escaping a domestic violence relationship. right? the whole plan on me coming here was so i could establish my life and then come get my mom and my kids and i was going to go to graduate school but when i came here, i lived here my first two years on campus. i commuted back and forth to home on breaks. my mom kept my kids. then my mama got sick. when that happened, my roommate and her family who lived in mississippi let me live on their property for free the first month. we stayed out there that whole summer. my church members here, i'm about to cry, took up a collection for me so my kids could get new clothes, made sure my kids had birthday gifts. people who i don't even feel like liked me at jackson state, people who goss iiped about me d i didn't think i liked took up and got me supplies for my house

when i moved. the next semester at jackson they made sure i had cleaning supplies, made sure i got a house, made sure i got things. there is a spirit of love and connection and looking out for folks in the south that you can't really explain. and that's how we've survived. there is no coincidence that's how folks are down here, right? because we wouldn't survive if we weren't. >> now, are you currently funded well enough you can take care of all of the women who reach out to you? >> i know you're real funny. come on. you're so funny. >> thanks. so the answer to that question is? >> no. >> it may be a surprise mississippi has a ton of people doing the work of reproductive justice but should be no surprise mississippi and the entire nation need a lot more. but if we just focus on the birth of a child then we leave out everything that happens

before and after they're born. why am i trying to tell you how this works? bring in my closer. betty lou haven. >> all of you have to be concerned. not only do we have to be concerned about hunger but we also have to be concerned about peace in this country and people being shot down in the streets in the name of law and order. the education has got to be changed. and you young people are going to have to help make this change because you know as well as i know that america is sick and man is on the critical list. your freedom is shackled and

chained to mine. and if you think you are free, you drive down to mississippi and you will see what i'm talking about. xxx . >> when i was a kid, church meant being dragged out of bed way too early on sunday mornings, being forced to put on my good clothes, and getting yelled at in the name of jesus by baptists at my grand mama's alabama church. well hold on to your house shoes, gladys because these great like the great christian for three weeks bob dylan once said, the churches, they are a changing. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> you ready to run through the