it's like pastor mike said. not what would jesus do, what did jesus do? we need to get the message because these churches will tower, influence and shape the world we live in. >> all in these beautiful buckets. xxxxxx this week i'm in tacoma and seattle washington heading out with the john brown gun club. i'm walking to white people who want to end white supremacy. i'm going to do it by hash tagging it. right now they're protesting a nazi owned tattoo shop. i say allegedly a naugznazi-own

tattoo shop. i don't want to get sued by nazis. >> what did i do? now, that's a question i hear a lot from people in my travels during hectic times. if i'm honest it's a question i mostly hear from white people. specifically well meaning white people. in our history we've had to figure out a way to make the world a better place while also making it through the day. but after years of white people thinking things are fine, some white people are staying to realize things are pretty f, and those white people have taken to

protesting, donating, and a little crocheting. >> but some white people are second amendmenting. specifically these white people. not to be confused with these white people. i know. it's confusing. these white people are the red neck revolt. they aren't revolting against equality. they're revolting against the red -- it was found in 2009 in kansas and colorado as an armed community defense. these people are exercising their second amendment rights to protect their nakeeighborhoods. >> get the [ bleep ] out of here now. >> you can basically identify the red neck revolt enemy as the all the right. it's described as a community whose core belief is white identity is under attack. which other than the cancellation of roseanne, i have

no idea what they're talking act. >> marching with tiki torches to keep away black people, jewish people, and mosquitos. most people associate this type of thing with the south. the south isn't just a geographical location. it's a state of mind from texas to the pacific northwest. in response to this the red neck revolt spread to the pacific northwest. that's right. this guy is a good guy? wait a minute. that hat is a good sign. i'm heading to meet the puget sound gun club. in the backwoods doing their thing. >> yeah. [ gunfire ] . >> today this is happening on

"united shades of america". lucky for my already ringing ears they're taking a break from the shooting which gives me an opportunity to pull aside some members. what made you decide to want to join up? >> i grew up in a rural area, and that's kind of part of my identity. >> yeah. >> it's sort of always been a hard thing to find a place on the left, because it tends to be the thing that like either you're against guns or you're against gays and black people. >> you manatee. >> yeah. -- humanity. >> right. that's the trade off. i think this organization felt like a place that matched my politics and my history. >> okay. because john brown gun club. john brown wasn't right wing as we define it now. let's talk about john brown. john brown was a 19th century abolitionist committed to the freedom of black people that he

decided to take out an armory at harper's ferry, virginia with 21 of his friends. he tried to get more people to go with him, but even frederick douglas was like no, but good luck in hefen. his example resonates with many white activists today like the red neck revolt. >> what number were you in. >> 11 or 12. i joined because i saw what happened in charlottesville. i'm a semi onner is jant sey, and it made me feel compelled to do something. >> okay. wait, a white jewish guy, a white woman. i need to talk to a regular white guy. >> seattle is like norway, essentially, but my neighborhood is 80% plus people color and around the election time all the sudden this white power slogans at my kid's park and swastikas

down by the lake where i hang out with my family. and an elderly african american couple, someone painted the n-word on their truck. that's messed up. i was like well, time to get off my ass and do anything. >> yeah. >> why aren't more white people here? and i mean maybe not here with us but here in this frame of mind? >> that's the real question. that's part of what we're doing. can we create a space where we can do community defense so people who are trying to fight back against this various elements of oppression in society, they have the space to do it? >> good job, white people. >> so this is my nra membership card. >> can i see it? >> sure. so what happened? this is. >> this is kind of out of spite. >> let's be clear. these holes don't show how close he is to a free frozen yogurt.

it was shot into his card in protest. >> the nra membership is required to shoot at certain ranges. i begged them. i said is there any other second amendment organization that i can join. they said no, this is the only up. >> really? ? i hate the nra. i think they're a cowardly organization. i have no respect for them. >> that's clear. >> yeah. even from the standpoint of gun rights. because they fail to stand up for castile after he was -- >> can i ask you a personal question? >> you can. >> how would you identify yourself? >> i'm an arab immigrant. >> when i walked up and saw mostly white guys and i saw you, i was like i think he's a double agent. i didn't want to say anything in front of your friends. >> it's true. most of the chanter is white men. when you look at gun culture in the united states, it's heavily

dominated by white males, and we want to change that. i didn't know -- >> dpexcuse me for one second. >> with the range the group asked me if i wanted to shoot some of their big guns. i was like not really. >> a gun punched me in the nose. so i will be filing charges. when you're in there, it's hard to remember it's okay to come out. they're good white folk, they are, but that's usually the sounds of the good white folks historically, if you know what i'm saying. (paul) great.

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carolina, we're taking it down. >> thank you for coming. >> i'm happy to be here. >> i'm happy to talk to you. this is good. there's so many places i could go with this conversation. for a lot of people they think it's black lives matter against white lives. >> it's interesting. whenever black people declare unity in unmitigated chaos, it's threatening to white people. it's like wait a minute, now, isn't this an opportunity for you to also declare that you also believe that black lives matter? >> that we can't all matter? >> matter is limited. >> matter is limited. >> it shows us a lot about where we have left to go. >> you get pointed at or accused of being anti-white. >> my dad is white. what are we doing right now? >> how is this working? >> yeah. >> i saw you at an event that i put on and invited you to.

it was a live podcast. there was a come on stage. >> yes. >> she was confused about the definition of racism. >> very confused. >> it would have been easy for you to -- >> pop off. >> it was like watching a jedi looking at somebody like you don't know how to use a light saber and it's not worth it. >> it's not about white people. it's about white supremacy, and white people have to disinvest from this stuff. and they're not going to if every time there's some hectic shit going on you got to pull out the light saber. at the end of the day, they're not going to come back. >> yeah. >> and you need them to come back. >> yeah. >> but for the most part i think what's real is white people are not taught about how they've been put in a position of power, and that's exactly how it's allowed to fester and continue. and then from there you don't stop there and just be the most conscious and not do shit. >> yeah.

>> you know what i mean? >> i've attained the highest level of wokeness. >> some people do that. >> the most woke. exactly. now that we've done this, we need to actually get in the trenches. >> so then what is your reaction when you hear about groups like the red neck revolt? >> they must be in a long tradition of anti-racist organizing amongst poor and working class white folks. i'm not as familiar with their work, but i can tell you that more groups like that are needed. >> yeah. white people have to get better at getting their people. >> that's right. >> we need -- not allies. how do you put it? >> co-conspirators. >> co-conspirators go to jail with you. >> right. >> they're not like you'll be okay. thoughts prayers. thoughts and prayers. >> i know a lot of white people

are watch like that was a great segment, but i don't know if i'm ready to get a gun and go toe to toe with neo nazis. lucky for you she brought the you're only here because of her. >> yeah. i know that. yeah. and i don't mean that in a bad way. she was like you need to book george. >> you know how we do. >> his organization is taking the lead on dealing with our deep rooted social and economic issues by organizing america's working class often target bid the white supremacist movement. >> people's action is a multiracial formal working class people's organization. we have hundreds of thousands of members. we're doing for better or worse the biggest rural organizing program in the u.s. the only one bigger is the alt-right. what we do is go out and community organization nice. that's knocking on doors and listening to people, figuring out what they're upset about and

going let's work on this together. we do that in suburbs and rural communities. how do we build enough power to change things? >> what's the conversation you're having with people about whiteness? >> we're not going to knock on meeting and say do you want to come to an anti-racist meeting? those would be small or with people already with us. >> well, we're all here men in. nancy, thanks for bringing the cup cakes again. let's wrap this up. >> yeah. that's not what we're doing. yeah. we just finished knocking on $10,000 doors. we asked people what is it you're upset about or want to change? whatever the issue is, and move people into a campaign to win. and then along the way, then we start to have that conversations around race. did muslims crash the economy? are black people pushing opioids into this part of the state? or did undocumented immigrants stash a bunch of money in corporate tax havens? no. we found the enemy is not each

other. let's focus on the real villian in this story, and so -- but we can only do that, i believe, start where people are at, work on what they want to work on. build a foundation and relationship and then we can have a different conversation. >> let's dive into that. what are the characteristics of that are missing? that's going on? >> it's hard to imagine until you go there just how bad it is. and it's like a different kind of poverty. it's like ghost town poverty. it's like the buildings have gotten knocked down but not taken away. it's got a desperateness to it. folks are considering the conditions and environment, pretty woke. most the communities are mixed race. just so say -- >> wait. you're telling me that there are folks of all different races living together in these communitys? >> yes. >> that are dealing with ghost town poverty? >> yes.

>> we don't hear that story. >> that's a huge story. >> what's at stake if we miss it? >> if the primary portrayal of white people are back wood hill byes, people are like if you don't want me on the team, i'm going to stop trying out. i feel like you don't want me on the team. if we're not there, somebody else is going to be. i've got flyers that people have sent me that are hey, are you struggling with opioid addiction? it's not your fault. we can help you. give us a call. the white knights of the kkk, and then there's a local phone number. >> i'm saying -- sit with that for a second. you know? we're totally being outorganized by the other side in relationship to this folk. so i think it's pretty dope that you all have kind of taken on this challenge. >> i'm glad you came, because this is the easiest interview i've ever had.

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about something i've thought about the seattle area for years. >> it's norway. >> apparently seattle's white population is at the lowest point in modern history. like many parts of america, ever since donald trump started making america great again, hate crimes have doubled in the last year. >> did you ever see that going through seattle? the god old boys driving through here? >> you do, and they're not always just regular people. they're sometimes in uniforms. and they're sometimes people of power. >> yeah. >> let's be clear. she's talk aing about the cops? >> you seem like if i say white supremacy, you just nodded. >> white supremacy is the standard in america, and it has always been. we need to work on actually dismantling it. >> yeah. the north wasn't the melting pot of all types of cultures. we have to make judgments.

so when they say we -- >> cnn sucks. >> they pay my rent. >> cnn. >> i'll tell my kids. >> make america great again. >> you're doing a good job. love that sweater. there are people out there who the red neck revolt to stop the rise of hate. i'm across puget sound to do what alt-right twitter thinks i'm always doing, meeting up with anti-fa. they get the headlines for confronting the alt-right. they are associated but they have one difference. the red neck revolt is about preventing violence, and anti-fa is like we wish a nazi would. they wanted to meet up at the japanese american exclusion memorial. chances are you're feeling a nervous jolt of anticipation. i'm about to sit down with one

of the hard core activists. >> i was reading an article. raffi, anti-fa. this is aerial. lucky for us she's there to help us learn. >> tucker carlson at one point in the not too distant past labeled me a leader of anti-fa. >> kamaul bell is a supporter of antifa. they hate this country. they want to tear it down. none of that seems to matter to bell. you are peddling hate, and bell is. >> i was funny to me. i've never been to a meeting. for example, does the pronunciation, which way? >> i usually say antifa. i describe it more like this. do you approve of fascism? >> no. >> then you could consider

yourself antifa if you chose to. if you're opposed to fascism. >> i am. >> then you are antifa. it's anti-fascism. let's say they can build a website to educate children. do you think people deserve love? anti-fa? >> anti-fa is anti-fascism. in the world of politics where is it on the left right? it's not. >> the political compass is more like a square that i use. go down to the bottom left. that's where you find it. the political ideology i have now. >> anarcho communism. >> no leaders. >> you go to the top right, that's fascism. >> where is i'm with hillary democrat? >> left of center as opposed to right of center more like i'm trying to think of who is a moderate republican.

lincoln? >> exactly. that's the last time we had a true moderate republican. >> hmm. >> now we have to talk about the stuff you see on the news and specifically you've at times had to get out there and mix it up. what was it like? >> so i went to visit this protest in portland. there was the proud boys and the group called act. it's antiislamic. and this guy just ran at these two girls. they were both wearing hijabs. he looked like he was going to jump on them. i didn't think about it. i jumped at me, but i picked him up off the ground and jumped on him and started punching him. >> it's not easy to imagine you in the streets punching a proud boy in the streets which doesn't mean i don't believe you would do it. you frame people like this is what i'm expecting.

this is what this person is going to be. and to sit you w you right now, it's not what i imagined. oh, i love that these are -- >> i know. i like that. sparkly. >> wow. and this is a -- >> i usually have a couple of those on me just in case. >> just in case. >> i use it for whatever i need to use it for. >> point taken. yor in other words, stay in line. keep it friendly. you have a bag of things? >> i do. >> let's do show and tell, including the mask. >> yeah. this is good for masking up. this is what a lot of people use. it's like a black bandanna. wear it like this. so -- >> my heart elevated as you started -- >> i was like is something happening? >> here we go. so these are some of the fliers. >> oh, so this is the thing you put up around neighborhoods. >> yeah. this guy works for ice grabbing

kids, taking them away from their families. i dock. it's basically like you post people's public information or make them known to people. >> are you not afraid somebody from the other side is going to say that but i'm going to box you. >> they can do for it. >> you could have shown up today masked up. >> yeah. >> so we don't see your face and there's a little bit more plausible deniability or anonymity. >> i could have. it's never made me stop before. >> i'm going do block out this person's face. have you seen this person getting coffee on your neighborhood or bus? this is part of the privatized modern day nazi putting children in concentration comes. some people say it's -- >> it's inflammatory. >> it is. >> it is extreme. it's aer t terrible thing happe. >> the argument is these are just people who have jobs that

are trying to have a living, and they're just trying to support their families. >> i definitely understand that. the thing is white heterosexual men, eventually fascists will come for you. your privilege won't protect you forever. >> just before i wrap it up, i want to say [ bleep ] tucker carlson. thium is the longest lasting aa battery in the world. [confetti cannon popping] energizer. backed by science. matched by no one. they're america's bpursuing life-changing cures. in a country that fosters innovation here, they find breakthroughs... like a way to fight cancer by arming a patient's own t-cells... because it's not just about the next breakthrough... it's all the ones after that.

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the art and music scene is anti-establishment. it's so surprise many of the people from that scene are interested in dismantling white supremacy. today i'm meeting with collaborators. >> our role is in saying no. strong capital no to white nationalism. we call ourselves if you don't they will or our collaboration that. a big part of over work is generating and holding the spaces for people to cultivate anti-fascist dreams. >> wow. to cultivate anti-fascist dreams. i want to do this. >> future. >> we can be creative and snarky. there's so many ways to say no. everybody can do it. >> sometimes it's no. and sometimes it's noooo.

>> do you have the pocket guide? when we did this, the little no is like no, this is bad, and the not ever is really recognizing there's a social movement see soaking to take over. >> this like a voted a straight democratic ticket and this is like we got to hit the streets>> the very least we can do is say no to white nationalism. >> this is the power of art. this is an intense message put in a fun little package. you know what i mean? >> yeah. >> kate and christy's pamphlet offers information on how to diffuse white supremacy. while they may not identify as such, i'm pret pretty sure this is anti-fa. >> two of my fair words start this off. how do we solve the problem of

white feminism? >> when we think of white nationalism because our sexualism, we think of a man. women are invisible, and white women, they've gotten a pass. >> in the 20s white women threw women of color under the bus for a vote tapping into what white supremacy offered them. >> you heard that right. and no susan b anthony is beloved and even put on a coin nobody cares about but the women's suffrage movement was only about white women. and some organizers guaranteed white -- >> whoa. what in the name of mrs. maizel is going on. black women had to wait until 1965 to legally go to the polls out harassment. like my grandmother said, just because white folks said it

don't mean they play it? >> how do you feel about the progressive people taking up arms to exercise second amendment rights? >> it's great. >> great. yes. >> that's great. >> it's a great no and yes. >> look at this. one of my favorite things. grainy black and white footage of black and white people fighting for our civil rights. people coming together to fight racism can provide lessons for people just showing up for the party. and i'm sharing soul food with chuck armsbury and aaron dixon. founder of the black panther party. they fought for justice. >> there's a narrative that the black panthers didn't like white people, wanted to hurt white people and you were there at the beginning of black panthers and you were working together. >> malcolm x went through that

revolution. he went through the period of being a black national itself, and after traveling not just around the world, but in parts of america, he began to realize that this struggle was not just about black people. that this struggle was for the rights of all oppressed people. >> that was an enduring kind of solidarity i felt with members of the panther party and era. it's a sense of duty and honor. we're going to look out for each other. >> and the fact that black americans -- such a small population, how can we talk about changing the system in america, revolution in america when we're such a small part of the pie? >> in the late 60s the panthers banded together with chuck's patriot party who organized poor rural people in the pacific northwest and appalachian south. other organizations doing similar work with young lords and the young patriots

organization both out of chicago. >> talk about the role that guns played back then, especially with the panther party. >> we carried our weapons everywhere we went. >> people try to say the black pen ther party was violent. we weren't violent. >> everybody was arped. everybody had a loaded weapon, but during that period is one the fbi was active and found a way to bust me. and so i ended up being charged and convicted of a sawed off shotgun, one quarter inch too short. they gave me ten years. no priors. >> no priors. >> i'm a graduate student, man. >> yeah. >> as long as they are able to keep us divided and fighting among each other, the longer that this racist capitalist, imperialist structure will continue to move forward and destroy more lives. it's a never ending process. >> has it got to be never ending? >> i'm afraid so.

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supporters of black lives matter, i thought i would give them a chance to meet up. don't embarrass me, white people. >> wait a minute. come on. >> you better have gotten that. >> lisa, it is honestly an honor to meet you. whenever we do actions out, we wear black lives matter patches on your plate carriers because we're perfectly aligned with the cause you promote. >> excellent. thank you for saying that. so tell me more. why guns? why is guns the organizing principle? >> there's something to be said for being able to show up to a protest with highly armed and primarily violent far right activists and they don't do shit when we're there, and everything is peaceful. and people get to speak their mind and protest, and you showing up at a rally with a gun is different than me showing up at a rally with a gun, and it is an only vags gaigs in --

obligation at this point for me, i feel, like i need to go and put my body in front of their guns. and i'm okay with that. my wife's less okay with that. >> yeah. >> but, you know, and i can use my white privilege to speed on the highway or put my body in front of other guns. >> the idea of white people with guns showing up to protect people like you out there to speak your mind, that's right. i don't want you carrying a gun to the black lives matter rally. >> you know black lives matter is already terrorized as a terrorist organization. i've never held a gun in my life. >> some people find a way of common ground and it allows us to start a conversation with them. >> fascinating. >> we put out literature that said gun control is racist. we identified and explained all the different ways that gun control laws have been used to target black men specifically.

>> gun laws predominantly in america have been about disarming black people. white people are afraid of black people with guns. that's the root of gun law in america. the southern slave patrol to now. >> interesting point. >> before we wrap this up, i feel like i want to invite you to give them something to take to their white people. >> oh, man. >> yeah. >> i think y'all are doing it. honestly. i feel heartened. the only other thing i can say is keep embedding yourself in communities that people don't go to except for the alt-right. >> on saturday a group that we work with a lot called tan or tacoma against nazis is having a rally against a neo- nazi tattoo shop in my neighborhood. it needs to be shut down. >> you're going to check it out? >> yeah. >> you're gangster. >> at least she calls you

gangst gangster, you put it in your bio. wrap it up there. ♪ >> the red neck revolt provide their own brand of community defense in many ways like protecting counterprotesters and taking a page from the black pen thers by feeding those in need and by teaching the gun safety courses like this one. >> go ahead. >> okay. push this button. >> oh. that's -- >> hey. >> i never touched a gun in my life. watching this power point presentation makes me want to pea my pants. >> got it. >> this is haley. she's a spokesperson for tacoma against nazis. how did you get involved in this? >> so there is a local tattoo parlor in tacoma that's run by confirmed neo- nazis. they would tell you they're not nazis, but they bedeck themselves in nazi imagery.

it's important to me that we have a group of people that stand up and send a public message to say tacoma is a place we're not going to put up with this. we're not cool with nazis doing business in our community. >> yeah. these photos of the owner show tattoo ths of the number 88. that's a code for hitler. there's also the crossed ham, the loig logo of a skin heads organization. and the wolf's angel sign, the initial symbol for the nazi party worn by the ss. >> so far we've had two protests outside the parlor. at the second protest things got heated. there were a few moments that could have escalated into violence. with these guys, that shut it down. so much about what we're trying to do is build a coalition and

inspire people to take action. we need to recognize everyone has different tactics. they're not all our tactics but we need to link our arms and agr agree have a common enemy. >> you have a wedding ring. >> i have a baby. >> >> so you're a new mom, married have a job, and just looking at you don't look like a nazi fighter. if i was to read a book i would expect some grizzled muscled man or woman in fatigues, half a cigar. are you afraid? >> i imagine you're familiar with the four chan. there's a level deeper called the 8 chan. >> 4 chan and 8 chan are internet message boards that attract -- these are dark corners of the internet. >> there are threads on 8 chan

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so the days arrive where tacoma gets nazi protests against the alleged nazi owned tat to shop. it's important to make sure that your afro is at the highest point when you're standing up to nazis. so once my fro was ready and this guy put on his bulletproof

oncies he was off to the races. >> we are overinvesting on safety. i think we're going to have a fun day if you can follow instructions. >> just like a mom, have fun but be safe. >> it's a joint birthday party. >> i love we still have to live our lives. well, cause honey i have to faith nazis, you have to also pick up some slack. feels like we can tailgate if we wanted to, it's nice. so you went to the concert in seattle? >> yes. >> so you really got like a full shot of let's do this? yeah, yeah, yeah. put your signs up in the air to

protest all the nazis. if you like it then you got to kick the nazis out. i've probably already broken copy right violations but it's covered under parody. i don't have to pay for this. i thought i'd be across from the street from the nazis. we're about to walk past the nazi tattoo shop right now. >> who's town? >> our town. >> who's town? >> our town. >> what's up, man? >> how you doing? >> good man. how are you doing? >> they're coming in the back in that truck. i don't know if you noticed. it came from over here. >> so you're seeing some action happen. >> well, they're just showing up. it looks good.

>> yeah, it's a great crowd. while i was afraid something bad might happen apparently if you show up with a bunch of committed members white supremacy takes a knee. so how's this going? >> fantastic. >> amazing. what do you think? >> it seems good i was told earlier in the week i was going to go to a nazi protest i didn't go, well, that should be fun. >> it is. people love getting rid of nazis. >> i mean, what feels better than this, right? >> yeah. i didn't expect kids to be here. >> this is like a long time picnic. it's like everybody in the america should take off and picket nazis. it's just a thing. >> we have the moms, we had a couple of neighbors come by and say oh, my god, i didn't know

anyone actually cared, thank you. someone finally showed up. >> i think a lot of people of color are going to be surprised and a lot of black people like i thought i was doing enough. >> we're actually accomplices. >> yes, coconspirators. i'll let you get back to it. thank you. what can i do? that was the question that started this whole thing. and unlike most episodes of this show when we ask questions, this time it's definitely answered. you can use your privilege to defend others and you can have fun while you're doing itch am you can get directly in the fight and you can still make it home in time for that birthday party. and all the while you can learn from the people around you who have been doing this work for years. white people, we've seen what these folks are willing to do. what are you willing to do? it's not a rhetorical question. it's the first time i've ever heard a black lives matter chant

i didn't feel like i had to get in on. they got it. black lives matter. historians like to divide america into eras. the revolution war era, the roaring 20s era, the 90 championship chicago bulls era, and i grew up during an era. the vietnam war movie era. every third movie was about the vietnam war because america wanted to figure out how to best frame a work. but as usually what happens with history the dominant culture goes with the perspective that serves it