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bravado, but will it turn to actual hostility, real violence? i will talk to admiral william mckravn, the man most famous for commanding the team that got to sa ma bin laden. and whom do americans want for their next president? i will tell you the fascinating results of a poll. but first here is my perspective. many of us have been waiting for a new moment, the point at which the challenge from china spurs america to get its act together. we may now be witnessing such a watershed, but in beijing. the trump administration's decision to blacklist huawei might well be china's sputnik

moment with size mick consequences. now that it is on the american blacklist, will we lose technology? this move can only be interpreted as an attempt by the trump administration to kill the company, already the world's second largest maker of smartphones. the chinese will see this as a turning point. if washington can cut china off from american technology at will, china will be determined to build its own technological infrastructure top to bottom. we might be moving toward a bipolar world in digital technology with two walled off ecosystems, american and chinese. this division would erode the deep levels of interdependence and the cross border investments and supply chains that characterize today's global economy. before traveling down this road,

the united states should ensure it has the smartest strategy in place to deal with the real challenge from china. first, the trump administration should make clear the broad principals it is defending in punishing huawei. it has been reluctant to classify the evidence. it must help the world understand it is not simply blocking a successful foreign competitor. it is acting to preserve the security of networks and the privacy of individuals. second, the united states should have built an international coalition to confront beijing. from the start i have supported the trump's administration tough chance on china, but i am bewildered why they are going solo. third, we should think through what this bipolar world would look like. china's technology will be cheeper because of its lower labor costs, looser regulations and government assistance.

many developing countries might keep opting for the cheaper technology. in their view, whatever technology they use comes with the risk that a government, china or america, will snoop on them. fourth, is there another smarter way to take on china? a senior stechnology executive spoke with would be for america to be the world leader in inkripgs and cyber else peonage. he tasked mit to build a system encrypted end to end and shields all data from huawei. finally, isn't the real answer to china's extraordinary gains and technology to make the u.s. policy changes and investments that allow america to compete with beijing? it is difficult to imagine that washington would be able to shut

tun the innovations of a dynamic country of $1.4 billion that already boast many of the globe's top technology companies. instead, we need our own sputnik moment, focussing the country to outcompete china. understand this technology strategy we are embarking on is far more consequential than trade talks. on trade, the trump administration has many legitimate complaints about chinese behavior. it is playing hardball. but the end goal is to create more economic interdependence between the two countries. after all, if there is a deal, china will buy more american goods, invest more in america and provide more market access to american companies. but technology war would take us in a very different direction. it would lead not to a cold war but a cold peace with a divided and less prosperous world. for more go to cnn.com and read

my washington post column this week. and let's get started. with the president in japan, i thought it was a perfect time to talk about america's relations in asia. after all, despite relatively good relations with japan, there is a trade war, so it is going on between the united states and china. the last summit ended abruptly. so what is the overall state of play in the east? joining me now president obama's top adviser on asia. anna is the beijing burrow chief for the washington post and the author of a forthcoming book about kim jong-un called "the great successor." and a smart analyst on all things asia. his new book is "the future is

asian." anna, let me start with you there in beijing. what is the chinese reaction to this flurry of moves that the trump administration has made both on trade and now on technology as well? >> right. well, the chinese reaction has been very aggressively and stoically defiant in response of this. this week, the state backed newspapers have all been full of calls for the chinese people to unite against the bullying of the united states. and the chinese propaganda units have taken a novel approach to this as well. so just this week we have seen a lot of the programming on the main movie channel here being scrapped and instead the air waves are full of old movies about the korean war, sending a message and reminding people of a time when china was able to fend off america and forced it into a draw, if not a total defeat.

there has even been a pop song called trade war, which includes a line, not afraid of the outrageous challenge. so the message that the government here is sending to the people and to the outside world is that they are settling in for the long haul here. >> there is a specific thing that president xi did which i was struck by. he visited a car earrare earth commodities plant, essential in the digital age in cell phones particularly, and china produces a vast majority of it. was that a signal that, you know, if you start blacklisting our companies like huawei, we can cut you off from supply chains as well? >> in that instance i think it was a soft signal. i don't think the chinese have decided whether or not to escalate. they are trying to determine exactly what trump's intentions

are after the huawei's actions. but they want to let the u.s. know if the u.s. continues to get tougher and is not willing to negotiate reasonably on the conditions the chinese laid out, they are prepared to escalate. >> when you look at this from your advantage point, looking at all of asia, what does it look like? are we in a new cold war cold peace? are ashane countries feeling like they have to line up on the side of america and china? >> it is a great question. but i think it is premature, let alone asia along pro-u.s. or pro-chinese lines. we're dealing with a set of countries that actually has a memory of the colonial experience and the cold war experience, and they don't want to repeat that history. they don't want to choose sides. there is no question that japan, of course, is america's stall wart ally in asia. but if you look at southeast asian countries, they want to be friends with all sides. they want to multi-align.

they want good relations with china. they want to take lots of investment from japan. they want to have a strong economic and military relation with the united states as well. so it is too easy to say there is a new iron curtain being drawn through asia. stay with us. we will come back with this great panel to talk about north korea. is there still a danger that they can disrupt the peace and stability of the continent? i'll ask my panel. i'm really into this car, but how do i know if i'm getting a good deal? i tell truecar my zip

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give trump the big deal that he thought, that trump thought, he was going to get. and then obviously trump walked away in hanoi. and the north koreans have suggested recently through these short range missile launches that they may be inching back towards the prove vaocation cyc in other words doing things its allies don't really like as a way to get the u.s. attention and force the u.s. back to the table. >> anna, when you look at it from beijing, does beijing have enough influence with north korea to throw a monkey wrench in this, to get them to be provocative. if u.s./china relations get bad, could they turn up the pressure using north korea, or is that relationship not as good as perhaps it once was historically? >> well, the attitude here is very much that if the u.s. is not making a big deal about these short range missile

launches, then china is not going to either. so there has been relatively little consternation here. i think it is viewed as a classic north korean attention seeking gambit. and in terms of what kim jong-un wants right now, i think this was his attempt to focus president trump's mind back on the peninsula. i would disagree with evan and say that i think that -- i definitely do not think kim jong-un is ever going to give up his nuclear weapons. but i think he understands he has this short window of time here to make progress on this. he knows that president trump is up for re-election next year, that south korean president will be out of office in 2022. he's very unluikely to get the same situation where people all want to deal. he wants a deal because he needs sanctions relief if he going to tend to his main priority, which is growing the economy and boosting his right to claim the

leadership of north korea. >> so tell us with all of this, what do things look like going forward? the next few months in asia, you say everyone is still trying to find a way to play both sides. are we moving toward more tension, less tension? >> i would like to think less tension. if you look at just the north korea situation, kim has met with president moon. he's met with ping and vladimir putin and abe. so clearly asians are trying to find a way to incrementally and peacefully absorb north korea. there are areas where over the last 30 years we have been worried about rightfully so about escalation and conflict and world war 3 breaking out in asia.

but in every instance, asians have demonstrated sufficient maturity to dial down the tension and focus on their complimentaryties over their frictions. i don't see any reason why that pattern won't continue, even though we have to concede asia is a serious arms bizarre. but there is a growing deterrence in the region. and no one really wants to see their economic growth be disrailed -- derailed or other kind of significant instability that would require that the u.s. come in and reimpose itself in the region. >> evan, do you think that the trump administration will reach a deal with china? i was struck by the fact that president trump tweeted about huawei saying, you know, they're a very bad company. but if there is a trade deal with china, maybe we can forgive them, which suggests that what

trump is doing with everything, he gives maximum pressure and then hopes for a deal. >> i think it is 50/50 right now. i think trump is not entirely sure exactly what his negotiating position is. he's surrounded by a group of economic nationalists. and i'm not sure they really want a deal. at a minimum, they want supply chains in the u.s. economy to be less dependent on the chinese economy. sort of a distancing, if not an entire decoupling. the key will be will trump go to the g-20 in japan at the end of june and meet ping. it is unclear. the trump administration is not committed to going to that key international meeting. if trump and xi don't meet, then the prospects of a deal go way down. >> fascinating conversation. thank you all. next, will the war of words between the united states and iran turn into real fighting? i'll talk with the former commander of u.s. special

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on the night of april 30th, 2011, president barack obama ended a phone call with admiral william mccraven by wishing him and his troops god speed. the president then went to the white house correspondent's dinner where he poked fun at donald j. trump. afterw afterway. hours later, he commanded seal team six as they went into pakistan where they killed osama

bin laden. mccraven was on one of the screens the white house was watching on the opposite side of this famous photograph. and observers there say despite the incredible attention, mccraven's voice never changed inflection. he has written a book about that episode and many others from his life and career, "sea stories, my life in special operations." not only did you kill osama bin laden, but you rescued captain phillips. >> well, to clarify, i was in charge of those, but of course it was the great soldiers and sailers that did all the hard work. >> we will get to all that. but first i have to ask you as somebody who has watched the persian gulf so carefully, people are wondering does it strike you as likely that the iranians would try to attack the united states, united states vessels? you spend a long time watching

them. what is your sense? >> yeah. i don't think they would. i have actually sailed through these straits a number of times. the u.s. navy has been dealing with the iranians for decades. they try to penetrate close to the u.s. ships. the navy knows how to deal with the iranians. i think it would be a terrible miscalculation if they really decided to take a strike against the u.s. plate. it would not go well for them and i don't think they're that stupid. they are thoughtful enough to realize that would be a bad mistake. i heard pat shanahan talking about you want to be careful about miscalculations. i think this is miscalculations on both sides. >> if something were to happen, you have also watched the iranians to know they have a lot of proxies in a lot of parts. things could get quite messy. >> they could.

you have the force that can shake the battlefield in certain ways. so you do have to worry about that. but, again, i think if you have a strike fr, we will take that a strike from iran. i'm hoping that the iranians aren't foolish enough to do something like that because they understand we would connect the dots quickly and find a way to retaliate. >> those three missions and many more that are not as high profile, you're right about this in the book, what are the key traits you think you need to handle that kind of pressure? >> well, i was fortunate in that by the time, you know, i was put in charge of these missions, i had a lot of experience under my belt. i have been a navy seal for 26 years when i became an admiral. in 2003 when i penned on flag rank, i soon went out to iraq. so i was a fairly experienced special operations officer.

and i had great soldiers, sailers, airmen, marines working for me. so you have to do a couple things. one, you have to have the experience to understand how the missions are going to infold. but you have to trust the troops to do the job. >> what do you do when something goes wrong? >> well, you have a plan b, plan c and plan d. we talked a little bit about the raid. when that helicopter went down in the compound, the reason i wasn't overly concerned, one, i was able to hear the radio traffic that was going on. so i knew pretty quickly the guys were okay. and we had a plan b. we knew the potential for a helicopter to go down in the compound was always there. we thought that would occur by fire, but we had another helicopter standing by to help out. all of our missions, we say no plan survives first contact with the evnemy. every officer understands that. you have to have a backup plan and be ready to execute it. >> how do you teach courage? do you tell people not to get

scared? from someone from the outside, why would you do this stuff? it's so dangerous. >> right. >> how do you get people past that danger? >> i think it is about taking care of the man or woman on your left or your right. and people who sometimes think they could never be courageous in a difficult moment all of a sudden rise to the occasion and do the right thing. i think they do the right thing because somewhere in their dna it is about taking care of the man or woman on your left or your right. it is rarely about, you know, the politics or it is rarely about the nature of the fight. it is always about the people that you are serving with and your willingness to sacrifice and to protect them. that's what makes men and women courageous in those difficult times. >> you said, i used to think that god put me on earth to kill osama bin laden. you said, i have changed my mind. i think he put me on earth so i could do that which would give me the invitation to the

university of texas commencement speech. you gave a commencement speech that has gone viral. it's been watched eight and a half million times on youtube. tell people what it is you think you said that resonated so much. >> yeah. you know, as i, frankly, began to write the book, "sea stories," and you take a look at your life in its totality. if you look at life slice by slice you view things differently. but when i stood back to look at it in its totality. when i got to the bin laden raid and you think, maybe god put me on this earth in order to bring justice to bin laden. but then i give this commencement speech, and it was, you know, little less sons leard that resonated with people. i get cards and letters from folks that know nothing about the raid. but they know i told them to

make their bed. and the reason making your bed matters is because it gets your day off right. you start your day with a task completed that encouraging you to do another task and another. it is also about the little things. the point i tried to make about the bed is when i was talking to a seal instructor about why should i make your bed he said if you can't even make your bed right, how are we ever going to trust you to lead a complex seal mission. doing the little things in life matter and it helps you do the big things right. >> i visited a lot of senior military officers. they live like roman emperors with their fleets of planes. did you make your own bed? >> absolutely, every single day. you have to. i mean, it is what starts your day off right. >> pleasure to have you. >> great to be here. thanks. for a link to admiral mcraven commencement address, go to my twitter page. next on gps, theresa may

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overcompensate by winning over her hard liners. >> then he calls a new election thinking that will give her a man did, and that doesn't really work. >> not only did it not work, she turned out to be a dismal campaigner and the conservative party lost its governing majority and had to govern as a minority party in coalition. she took a bad hand she was dealt and played it very badly. she made two important pivots at the 11th hour of the process. one of them was to reach across the aisle and try to work with labor, sen tryst and labor to cobble together a kras portaccr coalition. and the second was to make it clear to the country that she wasn't going to lead britain into a no deal. both things that showed that she was flexible and able to take in -- sort of take in the reality of her situation. but she did them both so late

that she just didn't gain anything and she lost her core constituents. >> the big message, the big lesson to me, ellen, is that at the end of the day, the torry party is not dominated by people who really do want to leave europe. in other words, whenever -- may's strategy was to confront them with the bitter medicine that we might have to just jump off this cliff. and essentially they're saying, fine, let's jump off. let's have a hard brexit. that's better than any of these softer variations. >> right. but it's important to remember that when the country decided to take the path of leaving the eu, a no deal exit was barely even discussed. it is really quite a radical solution. and because there was such a complacency that europe was going to give britain the

sweetheart deal people weren't face to face with what this meant and there's just been a drift in public opinion and especially in the torry party to sort of accepting that, you know, economists maybe or trade experts may be warning us, but this is project fear and it's really not going to be so bad. and unfortunately theresa may led the country in that direction by inserting into her speeches that no deal is better than a bad deal. this kind of was internalized for a lot of people in this country. and now that's the country she's trying to govern. >> so what happens next? >> so what happens next? there is a long line of people who are throwing their hat into the ring to succeed her, and they're all more hard line than she is. so they're all hard brexiteers building in as part of their platform that they will use no deal to the best of their

ability to force europe into making concessions now. >> but europe has made clear that it does not feel it needs to make concessions. so is a hard brexit now more likely than it ever was? >> right. so now we are walking into, i would say, a sort of constitutional standoff. we know that parliament opposes a no deal exit because they have already tested this twice in votes that showed they would try to stop the government from taking this fairly radical step. and we also know equally that someone like boris johnson, who is right now the favored contender, has said clearly that he will not accept another extension and that no deal is going to remain on the table. so then the question arises whether the parliament can stop a prime minister who is intent on leaving without a deal.

>> just when we thought american politics were chaotic, you give us hope, ellen barry, that it's even more complicated in britain. thank you so much. >> we'll have to see. you're welcome. up next, the always insightful new york times columnist david brooks with some good ideas. this time they are personal. when we come back. hydro boost with hyaluronic acid to plump skin cells so it bounces back... neutrogena® and try our hydrating makeup. they're america's bpursuing life-changing cures. in a country that fosters innovation here, they find breakthroughs... like a way to fight cancer by arming a patient's own t-cells... because it's not just about the next breakthrough... it's all the ones after that.

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david brooks was a celebrated political commentator when he helped found one of the seminoll conservatives of the weekly standard. he left in 2003 to become an even more celebrated columnist at "the new york times." i, for one, have always wanted to read his writings. he has a great way of making sense of the often nonsensical political drama in washington. in recent years, though, his columns have taken a turn, veering from the political to the personal as he experienced a wrecking of sorts in his life. he has now written a book about that and the less sons from it, the second mountain, the quest for a moral life. pleasure to have you on. >> good to be back with you. >> so this book, in a sense, comes out of a personal breakdown for you. describe it. >> yeah. i was looking at the values our culture endorses, that career success can make you feel

fulfilled, that life is an individual journey. and the wages of sin or sin i had a bad valley. my marriage ended. my kids were leaving home. i was part of the conservative movement, but it had changed. so i lost a lot of my friends in that movement. >> describe more of that valley, though. i'll tell you a lot of people would tell me during the period you were going through, something has happened to david brooks. he stopped writing about politics. he's writing about all this other stuff because he can't stand where conservativism has gone. it's become a kind of escape. was that a fair reflection? >> yeah. well, i didn't like where it was going. but i was not an escape. i do think our problems in our society are the foundation of society at the level of trust. the market and the state rest on trusting relationships. if you don't have that, you have tribalism and you have people

who are just a scarety mindset, attack, build walls, hate others. when you leave people naked and alone, it turns them fanatical. they get bitter, resentless, lash out, and we see a lot of that in our politics. >> so out of the valley comes the second mountain. describe what that is. >> well, the first mown dauntai building success, and these are things we have to do. the second is about contribution. it is living out of your heart and soul, not out of the desires of your ego. and one of the things that is super fortunate that happened to me in 2013 is i went over a couple's house who had a kid in the d.c. public schools but a friend who had no home basically. his mom had some health and other issues. they said this kid can stay with us. that kid had a friend. by the time i walk over there in 2013, there are like 30 kids

around the dinner table, 15 sleeping around the house, and it is an embracing community. i walk in there and i hold out my hand to shake a kid's hand and the kid says, we don't shake hands here. we just hug here. i'm not the huggiest person on the face of the earth. but i have been going to that house every thursday night since, having dinner with them. and they have embodied a better way to live, which is complete emotional transparency. they are completely open. and they have effect of rubbing it off on you and showing you a better way to live. i have been embraced by a community. when you get embraced by a completely open community, i try to take that out into all my communities now. >> how does that work with the first mountain because you are a super achiever. you hob knob with the healthy and the powerful. do you try to apply that model with that crowd or do you say to yourself, i have two distinct

worlds? >> i try to do it everywhere. and i don't renounce the first mountain. i still have my job. i check my amazon ranking when i get a book. so the desires of the ego don't go away, and you struggle with them, how do people like me, am i popular, all that kind of stuff. that doesn't go away. but the problem with capitalism, if it's only competition, it's only about money, it is only about ego, status, then you shrivel. frankly, i think our president is an example of that. you have to live in the world and be part of a capitalist world, but you have to have a competing value system. and the people in the second mountain, the people in that community, the people in communities i have now seen around the country, they have a different value system. they have moral and motivation. they are not motivated totally by money and status and power. the big distinction i try to draw is happiness is what you win on the first mountain. you achieve some success, you get a promotion, you're happy. but joy is what you get on the

second mountain. joy is when the self disappears, when you are lost in your work because it makes a difference in the world, when you are lost in your love for your child or spouse. happiness is good. but joy is better. and as a society, we are so much geared just to that happiness and we have broken the connections between us. >> david brooks, always a pleasure. >> great. thank you. >> and we will be back. r and per you. we're working together to do just that. bringing you more great tasting beverages with less sugar or no sugar at all. smaller portion sizes, clear calorie labels and reminders to think balance. because we know mom wants what's best. more beverage choices, smaller portions, less sugar. balanceus.org

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u.s. treasury secretary has said before imposing new tariffs on china, he must first study the consequences for american consumers. but not everyone will risk losses in this trade war, and it brings me to my question. what nation stands to benefit the most from the u.s./china trade war according to a united nations report? is it japan, mexico, south korea or canada? stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. my book of the week is actually a podcast, michael lewis's against the rules. it is a series of great stories, the type that lewis is always

able to find shedding the light that we americans no longer trust impartial umpires or referees. true whether you are talking about actual sports officials or judges or others. we have lost faith in the idea that there are impartial people who can call it like it is. it's really well done, one of my favorite ever podcasts. and now for the last look. we're not even halfway through 2019, but 2020 is already in full swing with the most diverse presidential field in american history. but how will people respond to that diversity? a new gallup poll revealed what characteristics the american public would accept or not against a presidential candidate. in a race with a gay candidate, would it will a hindrance to a vote? 76% of americans said not. 71% of americans would be

willing to vote for candidates in their 30s, but only 62% would pull the lever for joe biden, bernie sanders and of course donald trump. most americans, 93%, are willing to vote for a jewish candidate, 30% more than would back a christian. only 66% would vote for a muslim. so more people would support a muslim candidate than one who does not believe in god. and what did gallup find was most likely to turn voters away from a candidate? socialism. less than half of people surveyed would vote for a we well-qualified candidate who also happens to be a socialist. the good news for bernie sanders is no one cares he's jewish. his age and political ideology could be a problem.

mexico stands to pick up $27 billion in trade as u.s. and chinese firms reorganize their production. donald trump is so unpopular in mexico, i don't think folks will be lining up to say gracias. if you guessed wr eed wrong, cad japan each stand to rake in over $20 billion and south korea isn't far behind. the real winner, though, is not a country but an economic block. the eu will pull in about $70 billion according to un estimates. perhaps trade wars do have winners after all, just not the united states or china. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you all next week. like a biotech firm that engineers a patient's own cells to fight cancer.

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it's time for reliable sources. this is our look at the story behind the story of how the media really works, how the news gets made and how all of us can help make it better. this hour, a slew of new charges against julian assange have first amendment advocates bracing. plus, in san francisco a police raid on a reporter is causing widespread concern. later, 60 minutes correspondent joins us live with his reflections from a brand-new book. first, move over deep fakes. look out for dumb fakes.