this is "gps," the "global public square." today on the show, trump's trip to the far east. the president is in japan as fears grow over north korean missiles. both sides dig in on the u.s./china trade war. what is next for america's asian relations? also, iran threatens the u.s. the u.s. threatens iran. there's much rhetoric and bravado, but will it turn to

actual hostility, real violence? i will talk to admiral william mccraven, the machine most famous for commanding the team that got osama bin laden. and whom do americans want for their next president? would they vote for a catholic, a jew, an atheist, a woman, a gay candidate? i will tell you the fascinating results of the poll. but first, here's my take. many of us have been waiting for another moment in which the challenge from china spurs america to get its act together. we may now be witnessing such a watershed but in beijing. the trump administration's decision to blacklist huawei, the world's 2nd largest

technology company might be china's sputnik moment. huawei will likely lose key hardware it relies on. this move can only be interpreted as an attempt by the trump administration to kill the company, already the world's second largest maker of smartphones. the chinese will see this as a turning point. if washington can cut china off from american technology at will, china will be determined to build its own technological infrastructure top to bottom. we might be moving toward a bipolar world in digital technology with two walled off ecosystems, american and chinese. this would erode the deep levels of investments and supply chains that characterize today's global economy. before traveling down this road, the united states should ensure that it has the smartest

strategy in place to deal with the real challenge from china. first, the trump administration should make clear the broad principles it is defending in punishing huawei. it has so far been reluctant to outline the evidence, perhaps because it is classified. but it must help the world understand that it is not simply blocking a successful foreign competitor. it is acting to preserve the security of networks and the privilege si privacy of individuals. second, the united states should have built an international coalition to beijing. i have supported trump's tough stance on china, but i'm bewildered where why they are going alone. china's technology will be cheaper because of its lower labor costs, looser regulations, and government assistance.

huawei is already dominant in the developing world. many companies might opt for cheaper technology. in their view, whatever technology they use comes with the risk that a government, china or other will snoop on them. fourth, is there a smarter way to take on china. a senior executive i spoke to suggested a better response would be for america to become the world's leader in encryption. he suggested a place like m.i.t. build a system that is encrypted and shields data from wah wah. finally, isn't the real answer to china's extraordinary gains in technology to make the u.s. policy changes and investments that allow america to compete with beijing? it's difficult to imagine that washington will be available to shut down the economic rise in innovations of a dynamic country

of 1.4 billion people that already boasts many of the globe's top technology companies. instead, we need our own sputnik moment, focusing the country to out-compete china. understand this technology strategy we are embarking on is far more consequential than trade talks. on trade, the trump administration has gentlemen lit mat complaints about chinese behavior. it is playing hard ball. but the end goal is to create more economic independence between the two countries. if there is a deal, china will buy more american goods, invest more in america, and provide more market access to american companies. a technology war would take us in a very different direction. it would lead not to a cold war but to a cold peace with a divided and less prosperous world. for more, go to cnn.com/fareed

and read my "washington post" column this week, and let's get started. ♪ >> with the president in japan, i thought it was a perfect time to talk about america's relations in asia. despite relatively good relations with japan, there is a trade war of sorts going on between the united states and china. and the last nuclear trump-kim summit ended abruptly. what is the overall state of play in the middle east? joining me now is evan modaris. anna fifield is the author of a book called "the great successor." and a smart analyst on all things asian.

let me start with you, anna, there in beijing. what is the chinese reaction to this flurry/of moves that the trump administration has made both on trade and now on technology as well? >> the chinese response has been aggressive in response of this. the state-backed newspapers have all been full of calls for the chinese people to unite against the bullying of the united states. and the chinese propaganda units have taken a novel approach to this as well. just this week we've seen a lot of the programming on the main movie channel here being scrapped. and instead, the air waves have been full of old movies about the korean war, sending a message reminding people of a time when china was able to fend off america and force it into a draw, if not a total defeat. there's even been a pop song that has gone viral here this

week called very catchly "trade war" which includes a line "not afraid of the outrageous challenge." so, the message that the government here is sending to the people and to the outside world is that they are settling in for the long haul here. >> evan, there's a specific thing that president xi did which i was struck by. he visited a rare earth materials plant. rare earth is a commodity essential in the digital age and cell phones particularly. and chinese produces the vast majority of it. was that a signal that, you know, if you start blacklisting our companies like huawei we can cut you off from supply chains as well? >> that instance, i think it was a soft signal on the part of xi jinping. i don't think the chinese have decided whether or not to escalate. they're trying to determine what trump's actions are after the

huawei actions. they want to let the u.s. know that if the u.s. continues to get tougher and is not willing to negotiate reasonably on the conditions the chinese laid out, they're prepared to escalate. >> when you look at this from your vantage point, what does it look like? are we in a cold war, cold peace, where countries feel like they need to line up with chinese or america? >> remember that we're dealing with a set of countries that actually has a memory of the colonial experience and the cold war experience and they don't want to repeat that history. they don't want to choose sides. there's no question that japan, of course, is america's stall wart ally in asia. if you look at southeast asian country, they want to be sides with all sides.

they want to multialign. they want to have good relations with china, their largest trading partner. they want to have a strong and military relationship with the united states as well. it's too easy to say there's a new iron curtain being drawn through asia. >> stay with us, we'll come back with this great panel to talk about one specific issue, north korea. is there still a danger a nuclear armed state can disrupt the peace and stability of the continent?

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give trump the big deal he thought he was going to get. and obviously trump walked away in hanoi. and the north koreans have suggested recently through these short-range missile launches that they may be inching back towards the provocation cycle, in other words, doing thing that the u.s. and its allies in asia don't like as a way to force the u.s. back to the table. >> anna, when you look at it from beijing, does beijing have enough influence with north korea to throw a monkey wrench in this to get them to be provocative? if u.s.-china relations get bad, could they turn up the pressure using north korea, or is that relationship not as good as it perhaps once was historically? >> well, the attitude here is very much that if the u.s. is not making a big deal about these short-range missile

launches, then china is not going to either. so, there has been relatively little consternation here. i think it's viewed as a classic north korean attention-seeking gambit. i think it's a way to get eyes back on the peninsula. i don't think kim jong-un is ever going to give up his nuclear weapons. but i think he has this very kind of short window of time here to make progress on this. he knows that president trump is up for re-election next year, that moon jae in worldwide oill office in 2022. he wants a deal because he desperately needs sanctions relief if he is going to tend to his main priority which is growing the economy and boosting his right to claim the leadership of north korea.

>> so, parag, tell us with all of this, what do things look like going forward? the next few months in asia, you say everyone is trying to find a way to play both sides. are we moving forward more tension, less tension? >> i would like to think less tension. if you look at just the north korea situation, kim has met with president moon. he's met with xi jinping. he's met with vladimir putin. even shinzo abe may attend a summit as well. clearly asians are trying to find a way to incrementally and peacefully absorb north korea. over the last 30 years we have been worried and rightly so about escalation and conflict and world war iii breaking out in asia whether it's taiwan, china-japan dispute, but in

every instance asians have demonstrated maturity to walk back from the brink, focus on their geoeconomic complementaries. i don't see any reason why that pattern won't continue even though we have to concede asia is a growing arms bazaar. no one really wants to see their economic growth will derailed or other kind of significant instability that would require that the u.s. come in and reimpose itself as a hegemon in the region. >> evan, do you think that the trump administration will reach a deal with china? i was struck by the fact that president trump tweeted about huawei saying they're a very bad company, but by the way, if there's a trade deal with china, maybe we can forgive them which suggests that what trump is

doing -- everything is maximum pressure and then hope for a deal. >> i think it's 50/50 right now. i think trump's not entirely sure exactly what his negotiating position is. he's surrounded by a group of economic nationalists that i'm not sure really want a deal. and at a minimum, they want supply chains in the u.s. economy to be less dependent on the chinese economy. so, sort of a distancing if not an entire decoupling. the key is going to be will trump go to the g-20 in osaka japan at the end of june and will he meet xi jinping. it's unclear the trump administration is not going to that meeting. if trump and xi don't meet, then the prospects of a deal go way down. >> fascinating conversation. thank you all. next on "gps," will the war of words between the united states and iran turn into real fighting. i'll talk with william mccraven. ♪

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mccraven was on one of the screens the white house was watching on the opposite side of this photograph. observers say despite the incredible tension, mccraven's voice never changed inflection. you'll see why in a moment. mccraven has written about that episode and many others from his life and careers, "sea stories, my life in special operations." not only did you kill osama bin laden, but you captured saddam hussein and rescued from the pirates. >> i was in charge of those, but it was the great soldiers and sailors who did the hard work. >> we're going to get to that. first i've got to ask you as someone who watched the persian gulf so carefully, people are wondering does it strike you as likely that the iranians would try to attack the united states vessels? you spent a long time watching them. what is your sense? >> yeah, i don't think they would, fareed.

through the straits of hormuz a number of times. the u.s. navy has been dealing with the iranians decades. they try to penetrate close to the u.s. ships. the navy knows how to deal with iranians. i think it would be a terrible miscalculation on the part of the iranians if they decided to take a strike on the part of the u.s. fleet. it would not go well for them. i don't think they're that stupid. they are thoughtful enough to realize that would be a bad mistake. i heard the secretary of defense pat shanahan talk about you want to be careful about the miscalculations, and i think this is miscalculations on both sides. >> if something were to happen, if there were to be a military confrontation with iran, you've watched the iranians enough to know they have a lot of proxies and parts. things could get quite messy. >> they could.

you have the forces that could shape the battlefield in certain ways. you do have to worry about that. but again i think if you have a strike from hezbollah, we will take that as a strike from iran. i'm hoping the iranians, again, aren't foolish enough to do something like that. they understand we would connect the dots quickly and find a way to retaliate. >> let me ask you about those three missions and many more than not as high profile, what is -- you write about this in the book. what are the key traits you think you need to handle that kind of pressure? >> well, i was fortunate in that by the time, you know, i was put in charge of these missions i had a lot of experience under my belt. i had been a navy seal for 26 years when i became an admiral and 2003 when i pinned on flag rank, i soon went to iraq. i was an experienced special operations officer.

and i had great soldiers, airmen, and marines working for me. you have to do two things. you have to understand how the missions unfold, but two, you have to trust the troops to do the job. >> what do you do when things go wrong? >> well, you have a plan b, c, and d. when the helicopter went down in the compound, the reason i wasn't overly concerned, one i was able to hear the radio traffic going on so i knew quickly the guys were okay. we had a plan b. we knew the potential for the held continue tore go down was always there. we thought that would occur by fire. but we had another helicopter standing by to help out. so, all of our missions -- we say in the military no plan survives first contact with the enemy. every military planner, every officer and nco understanding that. you've got to have a back up plan and be ready to execute it. >> how do you teach courage? from somebody who looks from the

outside, it seems why would you do this stuff? you're getting -- it's so dangerous. >> right. >> how do you get people past that danger? >> i think it is about taking care of the man or woman on your left or right. and people who sometimes think they could never be courageous in a very difficult moment all of a sudden rise to the occasion and do the right thing. i think they do the right thing because somewhere in their the dna it is about taking care of the man or the woman on your left or your fight. it is rarely about, you know, the politics or it is rarely about the nature of the fight. it is always about the people that you are serving with and your willingness to sacrifice and to protect them. that's what makes men and women courageous i think at those difficult times. >> you said something interesting. you said i used to think god put me on earth to kill osama bin laden. now you've changed your mind. i think he put me on earth to give the commencement speech at

the university of austin. you have given a commencement speech that's gone viral. it's been watched 8.5 million times on youtube. tell people what it is you think resonated so much. >> you know, as i frankly began to write the book "sea stories" and you take a look at your life in its totality -- if you look at life slice by slice, you view things differently. but when i stood back to look in its totality, when i got to the bin laden raid and that went well and i'm a man of faith, maybe god put me on this earth in order to bring justice to bin laden. but then the invitation of the university of texas comes and i give this commencement speech and it was little lessons learned from my time in seal training that resonated with people. i bump into people every single day. i get cards and letters from folks that know nothing about the bin laden raid, but they

know i told them to make their bed. you start your day with a task completed. it encourages you to do another and another. it's also about the little things. the point i was trying to make with making the bed, if you can't even make your bed right, how are we ever going to trust you to lead a complex seal mission? doing the little things in life matter, and it helps you to do the big things right. >> i've visited a lot of senior military officers, and they live like roman emperors with their own fleets and planes. did you at the height of your military power make your own bed? >> absolutely. every single day. you have to. it is what starts your day off right. >> admiral mccraven, pleasue to have you on. >> for a link to admiral mccraven's address from 2014 gorks go to my twitter page. next on "gps," theresa may

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gratitude to serve the country i love. >> on friday in front of number 10 downing street, theresa may signalled the end of her battle as prime minister. who might the next prime minister be? joining me now is ellen bell. the story is a story of a kind of series of miscalculations. theresa may begins hard line saying, you know, i'm going to negotiate with the europeans, and no deal is better than a bad deal. but the europeans don't cooperate. >> yeah. i think that's absolutely right. she, in fact, she had not been a brexiteer. she had come pained to remain. when she became prime minister it was almost as if she was

trying to compensate by winning over hard liners. >> then she calls for new election thinking this will give herman data and that doesn't work. >> not only did it not work, she turned out to be a dismal campaigner. the party had to govern as a minority party in coalition. she took a bad hand she was dealt and played it very badly. and she really made two important pivots at the 11th hour of the process. one of them was to reach across the aisle and try work with labor, centrists in labor to cobble together a cross-party coalition. this is something she resisted doing until the bitter, bitter end. the second was to make it clear to the country she wasn't going to lead britain into a no deal, both things that showed she was flexible, that she was able to take in the reality of her situation. but she did them both so late

that she just didn't gain anything, and she lost her core constituents. >> the big message, the big lesson to me, ellen, is that at the end of the day, the tory party is now dominated by people who really do want to leave europe. in other words, may's strategy was to confront them with the bitter medicine that we might just have to jump off this cliff. and essentially they're saying fine, let's jump off. let's have a hard brexit. that's better than any of these softer variations. >> right. but it's important to remember when the country decided to take the path of leaving the eu, a no-deal exit was barely even discussed. it's really quite a radical solution and because there was such a complacency that europe was going to give britain a sweetheart deal, people really weren't face to face with what

this meant. and there's just been a drift in public opinion and especially in the tory party to sort of accepting that, you know, economists maybe or trade experts may be warning us but this is project fear and it's not going to be so bad. and unfortunately theresa may sort of led the country in that direction by inserting into her speeches that no deal is better than a bad deal. this kind of was internalized for a lot of people in this country. and now that's the country she's trying to govern. >> so, what happens next? >> so, what happens next? there's a long line of people who are throwing their hat into the ring to succeed her, and they're all more hard lined than she is. so, they are all hard brexiteers who are building in as part of their platform that they will use no deal to the best of their ability to force europe into

making concessions now. >> but europe made clear that it does not feel it needs to make concessions. so, is a hard brexit now more likely than it ever was? >> right. so, now we're walking into, i would say, a sort of constitutional stand off. we know that parliament opposes a no deal exit because they've already tested this twice in votes that showed that they would try to stop the government from making this fairly radical step. and we also know equally that someone like boris johnson who is right now the sort of favored contender has said clearly that he will not accept another extension and that no deal is going to remain on the table. so, then the question arises whether the parliament can stop a prime minister who is intent on leaving without a deal. >> just when we thought american

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david brooks was a celebrated political commentator when he helped found what was one of the seminal conservative publications of our era, "the weekly standard." he left then 2003 to become a more celebrated columnist at the "new york times." i have always wanted to read his writings. he has a great way of making sense of the nonsensical political drama in washington. in recent years, his columns have taken a turn veering from the political to the personal as he experienced a reckoning of sorts in his life. he has written a great book about that and the lessons from it, "the second mown dan, tunta quest for a moral life." david brooks, good to have you on. this book comes from a breakdown for you. >> i was living by the value that career success can make you

feel fulfilled, that life is a individual journey. it's the culture we get encouraged to by the college process. i had a bad valley. my kimarriage ended, kids were moving home. i was part of the conservative movement but conservatism had changed. >> describe a little bit more the valley because i'll tell you a lot of people would tell me during the period you were going through something has happened to david brooks. he's stopped writing about politics. he's writing about all this other stuff because he can't stand where conservatism has gone. so, it's become a kind of a escape. was that a fair reflection? >> yeah, i did not like where conservatism was going but it was not a mistake. i think the problems are at the foundations. if you don't have trust, you have tribalism.

you have people with a zero sum mentality, a scarcity mindset, attack, build walls, hate others. so, the existential anxiety turns them fanatical. so, some people in the valley are broken. they get bitter, resentful, they lash out. we see a lot of that in our politics. >> out of the valley comes the second mountain. describe what the second mountain is. >> the first mountain is about acquiring success and building the ego and making identity. these are things you have to do. the second mountain is about contribution. it's about living out of your heart and soul, not out of the desires of your ego. and it's egalitarian. one of the things super fortunate that happened to me in 2013 was i was invite today a couple's house who had a kid in the d.c. schools who had no home basically. his mom had health and other issues. they said that kid can stay with us. by the time i walked in in 2013

there were like 30 kids around the dinner table. it's an embracing community. i walk in there and hold out my hand to shake a kid's hand. the kid says we don't shake hands here, we hug here. i've been going to that house every thursday night sense having dinner when them and they've embodied a better way to live which is complete emotional transparency. they are completely open. and they have effect of rubbing it off on you and showing you a better way to live. i've been embraced by community. when you get embraced by a completely open community, i've tried to take that out into all my communities now. >> how does that work with the first mountain? because you are a super achiever. you're a "new york times" columnist. you can hob knob with the wealthy and the powerful. do you try to apply that model of openness with that crowd, or do you say to yourself i have

two distinct worlds? >> i try to do it everywhere. i don't renounce my first mountain. i have my first job. i check my amazon rating when i have a new book. the desires of the ego don't go away. you struggle with them. how do people like me? am i popular? that doesn't go away. the problem with capitalism, if it's only about competition, money, ego, status, then you shrivel. and frankly i think our president is an example of that. you've got to live in the world and be part of a capitalist world, but you have to have a competing value system. the people on the second mountain, the people in that community, the people in communities i've seen all around the country, they have different value system. they have moral motivation. they're not motivated totally by money and status and power. the big distinction is try to draw is happiness is what you achieve on the first mountain through success. joy is what you get on the

second mountain. joy is when the self disappears. when you're lost in your work or your love for your child or your spouse, where you forget where you end and the other person begins. happiness is good, but joy is better. in society we've geared just to the happiness and broken the connections between us. >> david brooks, always a pleasure. we will be back. we call it the mother standard of care. it's the idea that if our mothers were diagnosed with cancer,

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