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interests or his own. welcome to ac 360 special. the howard stern interview. for much of his career in radio he's been known as a shock jock with wild on air stunts often criticizeded as lewd and offensive. and a devoted fan base which he still has but stern says he is now a changed man. looking back on those days makes him at times want to cringe. he went through years of intensive psycho therapy and moved to satellite radio, joining sirius fm in 296. he slowly began to reinvent himself. less raunch and more thoughtful kapgzs.
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conversations. it gave him a reputation as one of the best interviewers in the business and that's what he remains today. one of his most frequent guests over the years was donald trump who he didn't support in the 2016 campaign, though the candidate trump wanted him to. 11 of of his conversations with trump and other favored interviews over thor years are chronicled in the new best-selling book howard stern comes again. sat down with howard for a fascinating discussion and talked bot the evolution through psycho therapy and device he now has. >> i got to be honest. i've been dreading this moment because i've read every interview given for this book. all the interview you've done that are in this book. and i feel like i don't know anything to talk to you about that you haven't already said a million times. paul mccartney but then i realize this is a agony you go
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through. >> i'll just take this time and talk. i can do a monologue. >> i know what you're going to saw. >> later on insert your questions. that will work. >> we're not allowed to do that. >> we were talking before -- we sat down, we said hello and everything. you actually kind of got me inspired because i was really worried about putting out a book of my interviews. ed could i do that and twd be interesting? and now that there's a compilation off interesting people i've interviewed, you being one of them. >> i can't believe you put me in the book. >> as i said in the book you said a couple of things that really triggered me and a lot of these interviews -- and i talk about the fact i'm in therapy now. after i spoke with you that day on the air, i remember
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specifically going into therapy and saying to my therapist, i just speak to anderson cooper and wow. it's triggered a whole bunch of things in me. some of of the things you were saying bot your mother and your life after the death of your brother and i was asking you questions. and the most sincere way when i was interviewing you, i was actually trueing to learn from you. >> you talk about therapy and a lot of people don't talk about therapy. and you have been very up front. you did psycho analysis. sort of froidian at its height four day as week. that's an intensive form of therapy. did save your life? >> it did. it really e -- it wasn't as if i was suicidal or something along those lines. it made me recognize how appreciative i am of my life. it made me recognize all the
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good things i have and taught me how to be a man, and by man i mean i have children, how to relate to my children. how to by more involved in a conversation with you how to be appreciative of you guving me that interview. >> you said selfish jerk. >> but i was also naive. it wasn't like i was intentionally going aught to be a jerk. i don't think people would say he's a jerky guy. but i had no notion of the world around me. i had not really had a relationship with my mother and father where i felt preparaed in the world. so when i a went out, i was doing things. and i think a lot of my self protection was closing myself off to the world. and that can kept me very well protected as a child. >> that's the reaction to trauma is closing yourself down . >> and i was one of the most closed down people it took years
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a fan of anderson cooper. i can share the audience with you. i always like, in sibling rivalry, there wasn't room for any other siblings. >> which is why you were tough on robin williams, gilda radner, rosy odaunl. because in a weird way you were a fan of those people and that i never understood. you're a fan of them but you had to bring them down. >> there was a whole bunch of things. first of all i was on the radio, terest real radio. satellite radio freed me of a lot of things. i got to keep pulling you around, make sure you're suck under to my world and there's no room to be gragses to a guest, at least in my mind. i had to keep those ratings going. so when robin williams would come in, i would have jackhammered you with ridiculous
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questions and the audience would be cheering me on and going that's great and anderson came in and howard said when where you going to color your hair? and it would be silly. when i came over to satellite and i was in psycho therapy and i describe in the book how i really eenjoyed in psycho therapy being heard, especially by a man and this relationship with this man listening to me kind of opened me up to wait a second why am i goofing on rosie o'donnell? i appreciate rosie o'donnell. >> so you wanted to create that atmosphere where you're actually having that kansz. >> if i enjoy that feeling of being heard, maybe my guests would be. and it got philosophical. i kept seeing social media and the art of conversation dying. and what i mean by that is everywheria look everyone is buried in their phone.
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we've become isolated. the art of conversation used to really be something. whether it was going back to the days of barbara walters or edward r. muro. it was an event. wh two people would sit down who had maybe a accomplished something in life and it would be fascinating and interesting. i feel like on a mass level that's kind of disappeared. we don't all cong reigate and listen to interviews. so i began to say to myself i really edo want to get under the hood. i want to give that experience to my guests. >> i think it's so interesting how you talk about child hood trauma. i never really realize until last ten years of my life or so how much the stuff that happens in child hood never goes away. everything is based on that. they say the first two years of your life as a kid are the most important because that's how
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things are formed but sexuality, it is all patterns we're playing over and over and in your cases particularly true. >> and not only that i knew as a father if i am playing the same patterns over, then i'm not doing a service to my children, i'm doing great disservice if i'm not fully in the moment and not understanding what the is i'm trueing to present as a father. >> the fact you didn't even realize you had gone into radio, at least in part because your dad was in radio. >> no. i was angry when people said that. of course i did. my father was a radio engineer that eventually got into being a recording engineer. with ninety-fo with four other people. my father the reverend, he would
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see a guy ebehind the microphone and treat them so nicely and what can i get you? completely involve would them. for a boy who was looking for involvement with his father, i said to myself at an early age what else would i be? >> it made me incredibly sad which is you saw your dad looking at him and you said to yourself i wish my dad would look at me in the way -- >> of course. to have that kind of gentle kind look would have been the world to me. my father could have seen me in that light as oncomplished huge being t would have blown my mind. >> the other thing i didn't know much about your mom but it comes out in the book and you talk about it obviously on the radio is something i related to. your mom talked about killing
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herself when you were a kid and my mom would always say when become a burden, i'll take my life. >> that's a heavy thing for a kid to hear. and my mother -- both my parents had difficult lives. my mother was very depressed. when she was nine, she lost her mother. her father sent heir away with her sister. her sister was one year older than her. they tried to get her in an orphanage it was full so they sent her off to i think it was iowa or somewhere and she went to live with these relatives who -- you can imagine. she dwd scribe having one pair of underwear. she never had a toy. her mother died when she's nine. her mother goes in the hospital and no one told her and no one told her her mother died.
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they didn't talk to children. her mother was just gone. you can imagine that kind off trauma and having a mother who's traumatized, you learn early on that i can't bring my mother any problem or any feeling because i don't want to upset her. i want to keep her spirits up. it would be too much for her. i describe my monther in the book as a fine piece of china. we don't want to break her. my mother, when i was in high school, she lost her sister who died in her 40s and that really sent her into a depression. she didn't want to live. >> it's funny seeing your mom as a fine piece of china. i used to think of my mom as a space alien who's stranded here and my job is to protect her and explain how things are on this planet. >> wow.
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and that's interesting. and all of this is how it do we, especially as men, when we're little boys growing up, we need mothers. i think before therapy, i saw my mother as the most powerful strong woman who could handle anything and i realized in therapy my mother had to be eprotected. and so what happened for me is i learned to bury what was going on with me. i didn't have an easy time of it. welcome to fowler, indiana.
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you're living in a predominantly african-american neighborhood? >> i remember three or four white kids. the family didn't want it to be known they were moving away. a tough neighborhood and you had to fight. and i never would bring this to my parents, my mother. i just had to deal with it and i wanted her to be proud of me. >> it makes me think -- the whole thing is it makes me think of all the people who -- it makes me so much more empthattic. all these people who have all had trauma, who have not been able to afford psycho therapy or
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any form of therapy. >> that's what's disturbing and i say thank goodness i could afford this wonderful doctor. who has spent his life really making sure that he's a good psycho therapist. i was sitting in the psycho therapist's office and i said the reason for this book is really you. he said so now you're going to give me the book. it's not you, it's me. i interviewed those people. i said i want to dedicate the book to you. he said why would you do that? so here was a man showing me he could put aside his own narcissism. it would have been very flattering but counterproductive to the therapy i was getting. you don't have to bribe me. you don't have to reward my with gifts. a christmas card.
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and you talked about it in relationship to president trump. that donald trump is a person who experienced a lot of trauma early on. >> from what i know of dawn ltd and his relationship with his father, it sounds traumatic. the father was domnearing, expected a lot of him. military school. you read drips and drabs and you go, wow. i can assure you he's been traumatized. his level of narcissism is so strong. he has trouble with empathy. we know that. i wish he'd go into psycho therapy. i'd be so proud of him if he did. i do not believe he's ever done psycho therapy. because he's demonstrating a lot of the behaviors that i recognize. >> tony schwartz has said he
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thinks hoosz rr a socio path. >> i'm not psychiatrist and i devote -- getting back to the art of conversation i could have called this book howard stern the interview, donald is a prominent player in these interviews over the years. and they're fascinating. i think the stellar piece in the book is when you read this back and forth with me being the wrestler -- referee for their wrestling, aj who was a columnist and donald trump and they're fighting oever a woman and aj is basically saying i was in love with this woman. why did you have to take her away from me? i took her away and she's better in bed and we'll compare. she was way more in love with me. and she goes you're a socio path. you would send her articles where it said you were a billionaire and you'd circle the word billionaire and i'm
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orchestrating this conversation that's some of the best radio yul rr ever read or hear. >> i found it pain fool read. >> because he's our president. is that why? >> just painful as -- that he was talking pleasure in this -- you know -- i dont know who adrian benza is. i hope he's doing well. but it's not necessarily an even fight and he's -- it's the argument of a 15-year-old. >> and he's picking the wings off a fly. and so -- >> as an interviewer i noticed this. i don't interview him anymore. he doesn't do it. but he was very susceptible to flattery. and i notice this in your interviews with him. you would throw out something like your full number. saying you like this.
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it's like if you meet someone who has -- you're so beautiful, handsome, you're this or that. with donald, it always starts out. notices i call him in every interview mr. trump. >> that's intentional. >> absolutely. i said because it loosens him up. he feels respecked, good blout himself and now he's going to roll. >> when you see him now in the white house as president, what do you see? >> well -- >> well, first all of it's unbelievable to me and i documented my thoughts about how this whole thing came about, which was a publicity stunt. i happen to have -- >> you have no doubt about that. >> because i have inside information. started out with the art deal. and i said donald, what you need
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to do is make a rumor that you're running for president. and he goes right to number one. when he had a second book come out, that's when he decided to start the rumor he was running for president and this time round in the last election "the apprentice" ratings were not what they were. cnn was not go took give him a raise and what's a better way than i'll run for president and gets lots of press and i think that's what happened. i don't think he likes being president at all. i think he likes winning the president. and again i'm not donald trump's psycho therapist and i've had many egood laughs with with donald. in some ways i feel he's been wronged the way they used my transcripts in a way to frame him. and i'll give you an example. when he said the line about stds being his vietnam, that was a
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very jokey thing on my show. you would not take that seriously. it was in the spirit of the program. they tried to use that against him. how dare he compare himself to a veteran of of the vietnam war when he didn't serve? everybody take a deep breath and are lax. having said that, the stuff in the book is very revealing about our now president. >> do you think he's tlr same person that you interviewed now? >> i do. i think he's the same exact person. i think the only way you change is to do analysis. >> i had no eidea about that. >> i think he was really edesires of my endorsement because a, i have a big audience and b, he's familiar with that audience and i think it would have been can comfortable to him
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if i had got on board. so when he secured the nomination and thinking about convention, i think he wanted show biz. he picked up the phone and call mead personally and asked if i would go the republican convention and endorse him. i think it's head of the scc. >> i think donald would have appointed him. >> because regardless of whether i know what i'm doing ornot. the only thing i really wanted was him to take me to camp david. because i -- my father and i used to joke about this. we got a good look that
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presidents should not be treated like kings. they should be in the oval office working. what is this camp david and who the hell is paying the bills? >> you think it's luxurious? >> yes, i do. >> i've never been there. >> i know there's a golf course. you have a golf course at your house? we cannot treat our presidents like kings. i always say the greatest presidents were george washington. he said do you want to be king? and he said are you jackasses. we just fought whole war. you want me to be king? off with their heads. but -- >> you think he has those tendencies? >> we all know donald. he would love to tlul land but with an iron fist. >> do you think he twupts get reeect lected? >> i think psychologically eif he got under hood and 70. geico makes it easy to get help when you need it.
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you haven't spoken to him since? >> no. when i turned down the rnc, he said to me what are you doing? and i explained to him in the nicest way that it would be difficult for me. i'm not comfortable being a public speaker. i don't like getting up in front of audiences. this radio studio suits me just fine. i'm alone with robin. i'm unheaven. frrms it's great.
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he was a supporter. so it the whole thing was weird. i have been a hillary clinton supporter way back before when obama -- i think she's a terrific public servient. i thought her husband was the best president we ever had. >> you tried to get her repeatedly to come on? >> i did everything i normally don't do including go to the noims and "washington post" and doing an interview with them and supplying them with the whole game plan the whole game plan was i wanted to humanize her to my audience. >> you weren't talking about politics or policies. >> in the same way it's a couple of people in my book where i interviewed them the audience's perception changed from one interview. >> interesting that hillary clinton must have given your campaign to get her on and
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giving away the strategy, she must have known that was the idea. it's interesting that she did not see that as a benefit. that says something about her as a candidate. >> it does. and i am glad we're talking about it because who ever becomes the democratic nominee, i applaud those people who go to fox news who said i want to win this and he got standing oivation at fox news. impressive. and that was my point to hillary. i knew donald trump from being on the air with him for so many years. i knew he was a good communicator. and what i doo i mean? he just knew how -- he knew the audience. how to play to them and they liked him. >> they liked him. he is -- >> he has a real charm. >> absolot charm.
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and so when i saw it this and i was a hillary supporter and i documented in a book. but at the end oof the day i never did hear from hillary's campaign. >> who in the democratic field would you want to interview? i'm kind of fatigued from it. it would be more about their background. >> did you find any of them kind of interesting in their life story and do you think any of them can beat donald trump? >> again what i do when i interview people i generally have an interest in them. i am curious about mayor pete because number one an openly gay candidate too, me, i salute him. it's not going to be easy. there's still so much of our country that's homophobic.
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you said it's easier to talk to your mom on the radio than it is -- >> oh, yeah. >> i wrote a book with my mom by email and it was just us asking each other questions. and it was done by email because -- it's so much better than asking face to face. >> of course that makes me sad. this is your mother and you had to find some device to communicate with her. >> part of it was scheduling but yes.
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>> but looking her in the eye -- >> i keep everything pushed down deep einside. >> would you be able to look your mother in the eye and tell her about your pain in life and -- >> i have, yes. >> how did that go? >> you know, it took a while. it was hard to do but yeah. and it was essential, actually. >> was she able to hear it? >> my mom is the most empthetic -- you know. i mean -- >> she didn't try to make it all better? >> no. >> she didn't say oh, anderson, your life's not bad. i had it rough? >> no. and honestly at one point she was like i don't want to do this email anymore. i'm tired. i dont know what do do. how about i do it on the phone and you type it out. i'm like i have three jobs. i'll give it a try. you do it for a day. and i love talking to you,
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especially when it's about me. and i was like, mom, that is the truest thing you've ever said to me. >> it's good that she can say it. it's so interesting this dynamic between mothers and sons and fathers and sons. that is sort of the backbone of this book. and hey, talk about therapy. i was able to write a book about other people. i couldn't have done that early in my career. this book is celebrating other people but in a sense it's also the most revealing book about me. because of the questions that i ask you start to realize who maybe i am. >> i also think it's a letter to your daughter. >> it is. >> i'm being prezmp shs in assumes this. and theirs -- if and when they have kids or already have kids, i don't know.
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but my dad wrote a book about his family and my family and i read it two time as year because tlirlts only thing i know of my dad and generations of sterns from now on can look back and read this. >> you're 100% right. you don't know how deep that goes. >> and hear your voice. which is incredible. >> when i was writing the book, i always had my daughters in mind and the vision is i was going to hand them this volume and tell them i hope when you look back on your father's lifer, you have something to be proud of. and i really had them in mind when i wrote it. it was me talking to them and saying look, i know i was a workaholic and very devoted to my career. but look at the good that came out of this. look that interviews and what i've collected. i thought in a way it was revealing myself to them in a way i'd like the be seen by them.
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and at the end of the day my first two books caused them a lot of pain. it's also me trying to be this outrages. it was too forced and this book i hold up as like this is who i am. >> i told you my dad wrote ea book. in 1976, they restored it, put it online and sent him an email and said you can listen to this. and i clicked on it in my office and it was the fist time i'd heard my dad's voigs since i was 10 years old. i couldn't remember what he sounded like. for your daughters and your grand kids and great grand kids, to be able to hear your voice on the radio, that's an extraordinary thing. >> it really isx troed nar. and i dont know eif i've allowed
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that to sink in but the book i did. i love the look and feel of the book. i like the picture on the front. i feel there's something genuine about it. and ultimately when i open that book up on every page i go wow, this was an accomplishment. this is something good. there was a time in my life i couldn't appreciate what they were telling me. all my einsecurities what am i go doing to top this? and why dont you enjoy the fact that you were there? i hadn't stopped to reflect that something good had just happened. >> i can't enjoy at all. how do you get to the place you can enjoy? >> some good things are happening to me and and that
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struck me as a profound thing. you loin your life. >> i believe if i let in that good -- if i say to myself things are going good -- >> then something bad will happen. >> sthung bad is going to happen and if i don't take enjoyment in things, then i won't feel pain. >> you sit there and pray to god that nothing -- something bad happens and when something good would happen, don't look at it because something bad is now going to happen. this is what we're playing out. you're really jewish, you don't know it. >> i wanted to be. i begged my mom for a bar mitzvah.
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stern if there had been a test for your grandparents. >> the point is, with our country, that statue of liberty i took that for real, give us your tired, your hungry, your poor. we are a country of poor immigrants who came over here and got a chance. and to cavalierly say we're closing those doors down, we're going to give you a test and if you pass that test then maybe we'll let you in. boy that's a pretty heavy statement and i know, listen, not everyone's been lucky economically and it's easy to blame a poor immigrant coming over, you know, but that's what they did when my grandparents came over, it's the same old, same old, you know. and certainly -- >> catholics, jews, everybody. >> italians came over, they were the enemy, the chinese came over, they were the enemy. i hate when people start talking about how black people, poor blacks do not deserve some kind
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of shot through equal opportunity or something like that. how many whities are sitting there and getting a shot at college or getting a shot at a better education because they have so much more and there hasn't been this inherent racism? it seems like sometimes we have to right the wrongs and i'm not -- i'm not some ultraliberal. ooem real i'm really not. i voted for republicans. i voted for pe tackee. i voted for giuliani. i voted for republicans and am friends with many republicans. but there used to be a civility between democrats and republicans and it seems like it's all out war right now and i don't know what's going on right now. >> do you think that's just the president or more than that? >> you can't just blame donald trump but there's a lot of seething anger, you know, and i'm concerned about the supreme court. the idea that we're even discussing roe v. wade, you know, i would say to people, listen, you don't want to have abortions, my wife is against abortion but she's not against your right to get one.
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she wouldn't have an abortion. but she wouldn't close down that opportunity for anyone else. the people who are alive now we've got to worry about. . do we need more unwanted children on this planet? and these same people are screaming about abortions, i don't see them adopting anyone necessarily. i don't know how they're going to take care of these unwanted children in these horrible situations and mothers who commit suicide because they weren't ready to have a kid. you know, stop and take a breath and to see a more harsh ruling come out on the supreme court, it would be a disaster. we both remember the days of women with coat hangers and going in back alleys. that stuff's not made up. and who was getting abortions during those days? the rich. so, you know, this would only affect the poor. and so, you know, look, there's got to be some compassion here. i also don't like our foreign policy and where it's going, you know, again iran is a dangerous
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it seems like you're almost content. to me content is a big word. >> i'm happier, i'm not content. i'm still in therapy. but i'm learning to stop and smell the roses. >> you have moments of contentment? >> i do. i describe in the book i've taken up painting. i get tremendous pleasure from that. i've learned to enjoy, you know, some little things that go on every day. yeah, i'm happier. i've still got a lot of work to do on myself. and someone said to me the other day, i was reading the book and, you know, i'm going to go back into psychotherapy and that was one of the big pushes in writing the book. i wanted to say, hey, that stuff's all nuts. i wanted to say it really had an impact on my life. i wanted to be genuine about it. >> most people do not change after a certain age. you have changed. >> i have and i think it's possible for anybody to do it and really what are we looking
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for? we're looking to have better relationships with people and be a little more content with our lives. i don't know. what do i know, anderson. i wish my name was anderson. can you imagine if i was an anderson. wouldn't fit this face. got to look like you to be an anderson. >> i don't know what that means. do you know that's a popular first name in brazil. >> is it really? >> i don't know why. >> i think the name howard is on the list of popular names. i think it actually just broke into -- i think it's 999. you know and my mother -- >> you've been cursed with your name. >> my mother wanted to name me harvey, which would have made my life more difficult. my sister's name is ellen. she wanted to name her fern. fern stern. my mother goes fern is a beautiful name. and my father stepped in and went, are you crazy? that can't be. i am not harvey, i am harvey.
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i would have gotten beaten up 20 times more if i had been harvey. >> thank you very much. >> i hope you enjoyed this interview with howard stern. his best selling book is out now. thanks very much for watching. tonight, cnn's first comedy special. >> america, we're more tribal than 18th century afghanistan. >> colin quinn. >> russia played history perfectly. from day one they go -- >> red state blue state starts now. [ applause ]
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