>> love lamb shanks, love you anderson. thank you very much. breaking news. the president is ramping up his border wall with mexico now threatening tariffs on all mexican goods if it does not step up enforcement of illegal immigration. does this hurt mexico or us? we have a new senior adviser to the re-election campaign for the president here tonight. she joins us and we're happy to have her. we also have a man who wants to unseat the president with us tonight. he blames this president for the border crisis and just rolled out his new anti-trump immigration plan. that man is beto o'rourke and he is here for an exclusive ahead. ted cruz and a.o.c. teaming up. the best news for you and me for a long time. details ahead. time to test. let's get after it. all right. this is the news. the president is warning mexico

tonight, you will have a 5% tariff per month on all goods entering the united states unless you start getting after illegal immigration to the white house's satisfaction. okay? and remember he vows a number of hike equal to the initial 5% each month. this is heavy stuff. a dramatic escalation. the question is, what's the sell? why is this good for us and not bad for us as consumers? we have his new 2020 senior campaign adviser here tonight kimberly guilfoyle. good to have you. >> glad to be here. >> congratulations on the new gig. no pressure. help me understand this. what is the concern with tariffs? we know this that they get passed on. the importer to the consumer so you wind up hitting us to punish them. >> when you think about it the president campaigned very heavily on this in terms of the immigration crisis and people have generally agreed this is an intractable problem but it really has reached a crisis

point. you even have the "new york times" saying we have a crisis at the southern border. why wouldn't -- mexico is one of our economic partners -- they have some of the responsibility. have some skin in the game. why is it always that the united states is disproportionately affected with other people not doing their fair share? this is in sound keeping with the president's policy of being tough on immigration, border security, really securing it so we don't have these porous borders where people are coming over, there is human trafficking. there are drugs coming in. crime. and having worked as a prosecutor for many years in san francisco which was a sanctuary city and in los angeles i saw all too well the real problem of people coming in, criminal recidivists multiple times deported and coming back in like we saw with kate steinle in san francisco. >> no question it is real. we both know if you're worried about criminality the place to start isn't with illegal entrants but there is no

question there are criminals among them and repeat offenders. it's a hard problem. we still wind up in the same place. i get going after mexico. we both know they are the weaker partner. they don't have the capabilities the united states has. last year one of the biggest round-ups. over a thousand people. kids are going to be in bad trouble. we've had six pass. who knows what will happen? >> absolutely. young children like young girls 10 to 13 years of age automatically checked for rain or pregnancy because of what's happening. it is not okay to allow people to come over -- >> if they can be. they're under staffed, begging congress and the white house for help. they're not getting the help they want. big problem. i don't get the solution. because what happens now? you put the tariffs. mexico says fine but i pay them, right? because i'm the consumer. now you've got the trade deal with mexico. what if they push back? what if it threatens the trade deal? why is this the solution?

>> great point. why are the democrats stonewalling and not allowing this to come to a vote? this is the problem we're seeing. the president repeatedly over and over again says partner with me. let's work on this problem. this crisis of immigration at the southern border. we can all agree there is a situation that needs to be addressed. the president has tried. and tried again. but now he needs to do something different. and this is very consistent with what he said he was going to do. mexico, you're going to have to do your fair share. we're no longer going to have the american taxpayer who works very hard for their paycheck every day shoulder the burden of your gross, irresponsibility at the border allowing these people to come over. >> why not go to the triangle and say let me help you people? let me help you with the conditions making your people come to us? i think they're economic claims. let me help you. he said he wanted to pull aid. won't that make it worse? >> i don't think so. it is a problem. you have the united states over and over doing the same thing which is the definition of insanity if you expect a different result. we keep rewarding people who

aren't working honestly as our partners in the united states, saying okay. this country has a problem. they're coming over. they're not doing anything, chris. it is only getting worse. to secure the border, prevent people coming in from south american countries. >> we don't give them much either. >> they are still getting help from us. i don't think it is unreasonable. the american people want the president to honor his promises about border security which relates directly to national security. he would not be doing his job if he didn't get tough with it. let's see if they understand. because this is not a man who says he is going to do something and not do it. he will fulfill this promise. if's going to be 5% and have an escalator if they don't take it seriously. i think he'll get their attention just like he has with china. tariffs work if you have patience at the plate. >> well, we'll see because they get passed off on to the consumer is the problem. you see what is happening with the farmers. time will tell. he will be measured in the election. >> there will be an adjustment. a little tough love. there may be growing pains with this but it really has reached a

crisis point where he has to act. >> but it is a crisis he is imposing with the tariffs. as you said, time will tell and he'll be measured in the election. >> the crisis is because of illegal immigration coming over. >> you put two things together. >> tariffs work. he is imposing a similar idea and proposal with china. >> we haven't seen a deal happen in china. again, third time. time will tell. he will be tested in the election. the impeachment situation. let me ask something for the position of the campaign. >> sure. >> does the campaign accept the proposition that russia interfered in the 2016 election and we must stop them from doing it in 2020? >> there was some indication there were facebook attempts, etcetera, to interfere with the election, right? but again, what did we find? specifically that there was so much money spent, millions and millions of dollars, two years on an investigation that yielded no results. despite the bias that was inherent. >> there was a result. russian interference happened. it was pernicious, widespread.

it has continued. >> when you say it was pernicious and widespread there has been no determination it had an impact whatsoever on the united states election. should that type of thing be taken seriously if it's happening and investigated? sure. >> what do you mean if it's happening? do you think it happened? >> i'm reading reports that say they think there were attempts with facebook, etcetera. do i think it was widespread or pernicious? no i do not. do i think it had an impact on the 2016 election? no. do i think the democrats wish it did so they could have another excuse to say why president trump is in the oval office? no obstruction, no collusion, and now they're saying there is a cover-up. >> i get the talking point. you know none of that is true. >> i do know that is true. >> there was no criminal conspiracy thank god. the president wasn't a traitor or a foreign agent. no proof of any of that. thank god. >> but they wasted the taxpayers' money. they owe the taxpayers an apology. >> they did things they knew they shouldn't have done and lied about it. >> where was there any finding that there was any kind of

insufficient evidence, no evidence whatsoever about collusion? >> giving information to a guy with russian intel? stupid move. taking that meeting in trump tower? stupid move. >> where is the evidence of any obstruction and collusion whatsoever? >> that is collusion. it is not a crime. >> if robert mueller who over stepped his bounds by coming forward and making that statement had found any evidence, the prosecutor's job as you know i am a former prosecutor, is to determine if there is sufficient evidence that a crime has been committed and that that individual is guilty of that crime. >> prosecutor or not that's his job. >> he found no evidence to support that. in fact, he -- >> he found a lot of evidence to support it but said he couldn't prosecute it. >> william barr went a step further and released the whole report. there has been transparency. they've put up with witch hunts and investigation here. they know the strong economy, as you know, you come from a family of politics. strong economy incumbents get re-elected. they don't want to see the president remain in the oval

office. >> who is they? >> the democrats and many people in the main stream media. >> mueller is not a democrat. >> i don't know what he registered as but i do know what he did. >> sessions wasn't a democrat. >> i do know what he did in overstepping his bounds. let me tell you something. in the kenneth starr report and he did the investigation on bill clinton 11 times he used the word "guilty" right? did you ever robert mueller ever use those words? whatsoever? >> no. how was he going to get him on obstruction when he has guidance not to indict a sitting president and, two, when the guy at the center of it wouldn't give him answers. >> the subpoenas, the fbi agents, this was an investigation that went on and on. they wanted a predetermined outcome. they didn't get it. he didn't give them anything on obstruction. because he didn't commit obstruction. >> he can't be part of an anti-trump situation. he is a life long republican. >> i don't know if he is part of an anti-trump situation or not but i know as a prosecutor he

over stepped his bounds to try to appease the democrats who were upset because they were hoping he was going to be santa claus for them to put the president out of office. >> he's an independent broker. he always has been. >> in fact he over stepped his bounds and made those statements. >> i think he did it in your favor because he is supposed to say prosecutor declined but he can't because his hands are tied so he wants to explain and he says, i can't do this. i'm not even going to say if i found criminal activity because i don't want to be unfair to the president because he won't have his day in court. but i can't say he didn't do anything wrong. i can't exonerate him. i thought he bent over backward to be fair. >> william barr said specifically mueller could have reached a conclusion and not violated dod policy, quote, to make charges or indict a sitting president. if he had the evidence to support it, he would have read it in the report. it wasn't there. >> he does. he has five different counts of obstruction that have significant -- >> nothing against the

president. there is no finding or conclusion that the president obstructed justice. >> he said he couldn't and he left to congress. now we'll see what they do with it. >> additionally as william barr said the doj, the investigations they do, do not serve as an adjunct to congress. they just want a different outcome so now they're going to continue to do this. >> who is they? >> the democrats and the cast of characters running trying to unseat president trump. this is what they're raising money on, impeachment, impeachment. >> so are you. >> i'm not raising money on it. >> the campaign put something out saying they want to impeach the president. give us money. >> the people that support the president of the united states believe in him and they've seen that in fact despite this president being completely cooperative -- >> he didn't sit for an interview. he didn't answer a single question on obstruction. >> the president was totally transparent and cooperative with this investigation. >> except he didn't sit for ain't view or answer a single question about obstruction. >> there is no evidence of it. >> i know. he didn't talk to them. >> there is no evidence of the

obstruction. >> there is a lot of evidence of it. they didn't get any directly from him. >> now they say he engaged in a cover-up? of what? innocence? come on. it is absolutely ridiculous. >> his efforts to control during that proceeding was what they were looking at. now it'll come to congress and i make you this promise. this must end. it has to. >> well, it should be ended already. we've already got the report and the conclusion. >> mr. mueller said we'll figure out what congress is going to do. other issues will come up now. the border, the economy, trade. the campaign has a place on this show. you are welcome to come on and argue the positions of the campaign whenever you want. >> it is our position that in fact they don't want to focus on the results and the economic boom, record low unemployment across the board so they want to talk about crimes that never happened and now they want to pivot to cover-up. >> i don't see that situation as you do and that's okay. because we will always disagree on this show decently and you always have a place to make your case. >> you're being so nice. >> no, no.

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fafrjts check got to do it. the president of the united states said a lot of things today about issues that matter. and here we call out balls and strikes. take a listen. >> i think he is a total conflicted person. i think mueller is a true never donald trump.body that dislikes- he is somebody that didn't get a job that he requested that he wanted very badly. >> all right. now, here are the facts. the doj found no conflict. congress never raised it. the white house didn't raise it. steve bannon, remember him? he said the idea of mueller having a conflict was ridiculous. mueller did not ask to be this president's fbi director. it was the other way around. he was asked to come in for an

interview. material distinction there. when potus claims unprecedented cooperation, you heard it in the interview but let's it rate it now. what mr. mueller wanted most and needed most he never got from this president. the president never answered a single question in person and his lawyered written responses never even touched the issue of obstruction. that's why the written answers were found to be inadequate by the mueller team. some campaign folks deleted relevant communications. not helpful. others were convicted of lying to investigators. not helpful. even when this president then stumbled today in a tweet in what appeared to be an admission of the basic threat that russia attacked our election and did so to help him, he then had to backpedal to this. >> russia didn't help me at all. russia if anything i think helped the other side. >> we know russia not only tried to help the trump campaign and

only the trump campaign but the trump campaign expected to benefit from its interference. even the republican-led senate intel committee found, quote, there was no pro clinton content on facebook or instagram as part of the russian influence campaign. when potus claims mueller didn't find obstruction either, let's call it what it is. that's a lie. mueller repeatedly pointed to substantial evidence that this president tried to obstruct justice. this is why mr. mueller said this. >> if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime we would have said so. >> and they didn't say so. so now, congress has to figure out what to say about it all. you must decide what matters to you and how much but let's start with the facts. i want to get back to the president's new tariff threat for mexico for the purpose of halting immigration.

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breaking news. 5% tariff on all goods from mexico unless it stops the flow of illegal immigrants to the united states. the president says it'll start a week from monday. it increases 5% every month up to 25% by october. it sounds very strong but whom will it squeeze? us? or mexico? sounds like the making of a great debate. karen finney, rick santorum, let's get after it. rick, make the case. >> well, look. the mexicans are responsible for the surge at the border. i mean, most of the people coming across the border as you know are folks coming from guatemala, honduras, el salvador. and they're traveling through mexico. and mexico is giving them, you please be, the ability to cross that southern border of mexico, allowing them to go through their country, and then piling up on our border. it's clearly their fault.

and they can do something about it. give the president credit. he's tried. he's negotiated recently with guatemala and is working with those countries to try to stem the tide but i think the frustration the president has shown is reasonable and the mexicans need to respond. i think the president has put the hammer down. >> okay. so, karen, fair point about mexico's fix on the problem. i would push back on the idea that the president has worked with guatemala. he threatened to pull funds from them. but he has had the dhs acting secretary go down there and did have the dhs secretary before go, pompeo has tried. they were trying to do some help whether the president was aiding those efforts or not. but what is your problem with the tariffs? >> well, for starters, well there are two things. number one, what you are saying to mexico is if someone is coming from latin america and they say to you at the border in mexico i am coming to apply for refugee status in the united states of america, are we really

asking mexico to engage in our foreign policy to make determinations about who should or shouldn't be here? should have the ability to apply for refugee status? i don't think just blaming mexico -- i think that is overly simplistic. secondly, i think the tariffs, the president has been, in trying to tout this economy, right, he is trying to tout this trade deal that he's gotten with mexico and canada, and i think these tariffs will absolutely damage his ability to claim a success in that area. and then, third, the thing i would say is that as with the tariffs we're already seeing in place it is going to hurt american businesses. there are always these unintended consequences. so i think we need to be concerned about all three of those. >> all right. i'm not crazy about the first one because mexico is a sovereign nation and when people come to their border and say they want to go somewhere it doesn't matter where. international law says they should claim asylum there. so they have the ability to speak. on the second and third points,

rick, i don't want to pay any more for stuff. i got two teenagers. i got, you know, a family that buys stuff. tariffs hit you and me. they don't hurt that country. mexico sells us a lot of stuff that we want and need. you worried about this messing with the economy? >> well, on the first part i would agree. if someone from mexico shows up at the border and says we want to go to canada we don't say come on in. that's just not what a country does. that is illegitimate. on the point, look, there is a legitimate argument for people to say we shouldn't be using tariffs as a tool to try to get our way in trade or in this case with respect to immigration. but i will tell you this. that we have for the first time seen the chinese really come seriously to the table and seen the president be very tough on them and, you know, on an issue that is vitalie importaly impor is them stealing our technology and the world's technology. >> i'm with you about china but he is not banging them on the

i.t. stuff yet and the tariffs, we're putting billions into our farmers to back fill the cost. >> it is the principal reason the administration has not gone forward with a deal is the chinese have backed away from doing what the world not just the united states is trying to do. >> that is the point. now we have tariffs hurting the farmers. >> they are hurting some of our people that is true. but it is hurting china far, far worse than the united states and china is not in as good an economic shape as the united states is. the penalties are harder on the chinese and the long-term benefits to farmers and everyone else by keeping our technological advantage and keeping china, making china live by the laws that the rest of the world has to with respect to intellectual property, it is well worth the short-term fame. the farmers who are hurting understand that. >> let's end on this. karen, what would make a better fix at the border? >> well, i think actually we need to go back to a policy we had that was starting to work

which is a program of aid to those countries. i heard you talking about it earlier in this hour. that is as a way to try to help the conditions in those countries so that people aren't actually coming here. >> look, rick, what is the plus/minus? the plus/minus is it feels strong. i'm going to punish you if you don't do what i want. what if we all learned as parents in my case a constantly failing parent, which is when you catch them doing something right, you reward the good behavior, behavior changes faster than when you take punitive measures. aren't you concerned we'll see that with mexico? they'll knuckle up. they got a new administration there not predisposed to being friendly to this president. is he giving them something to get into a fight we don't need to have? >> this isn't the first time the president has talked to mexico about dealing with this problem and as we see as the crisis at the border continues to escalate, they're not doing anything about it and at some point you've got to bring the hammer down and i think that is what the president has decided

to do. >> all right. i'll leave it there. i appreciate it very much from both of you. look, this is going to evolve. if they actually go into effect we'll start to see the effect that they have and then we got to talk about this more because, look. none of this is helping those kids. they're still not getting the resources they need on the border. the kids still don't have the right kinds of places to stay or the medical staff they need. the problem continues. karen, rick, thank you for quick work on breaking news. so when it comes to impeachment, mr. beto o'rourke tells me his former colleagues have no choice. they must. why must? why now? why the urgency? he is going to explain to you and he says this president is the problem on the border. he has a plan to turn it around. let's see how he makes the case and get after it. that's some great paint. ♪

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>> a new development. tariffs on mexico until it stops the flow of people at the southern border is what this president wants to do. beto o'rourke says this president is the real problem with our immigration system. he has his own plan to offer you. the question is will it help beto o'rourke gain the traction be he sorely needs in the crowded democratic race? he joins us for an exclusive interview on "primetime." let's start with the polls.

beto o'rourke, thank you for joining us on "primetime." >> thanks for having me on. >> let's look at the polls from your perspective. when you look at the men and women above you what are they doing that you're not? >> i don't know. you know, our fortunes will rise and fall in the months to come before the first caucus in iowa and the first primary in new hampshire. you had a poll a couple weeks ago that had me beating trump by a greater margin than any other democratic contender. who knows what that means this far out? what i have been doing, showing up in these different states in the different communities within them and not writing anybody off based on how big or small their town is, not taking anyone for granted based on party affiliation but just listening and learning and incorporating what i hear into this campaign feels right to me. >> politics and policy. in terms of what we saw as an impact from mr. mueller yesterday there is more energy around certain democrats saying,

now is the time. we know what we need to know. it's time to start impeachment inquiry, proceedings, whatever your choice is. you're one of those people. my question to you, why the rush down impeachment when it comes with political risk? >> there is no rush. this has been a very sober, deliberate process. more than 300 pages in the mueller report. and the only public comments from the principal investigator, the special counsel robert mueller yesterday, he talked about the fact that he could not clear the president from any implication he had committed a crime, said the criminal justice system is not the appropriate venue in which to try this but that there are alternatives under the constitution. >> nancy pelosi says this in terms of the calls for what you're saying, impeach right now. here is her response. >> we won't be swayed by a few people who think one way or another who are running for

president as much as i respect all of them. and they have the freedom to be for impeachment. we have the responsibility to get a result for the american people. >> a result for the american people. that's what i'm talking about in terms of political risk. i think two-thirds of your party, 67% or so who say we want impeachment mean removal. and i don't think they're going to be able to get that to those people. so result. what does result mean to you? >> yeah, results means that we have the facts and the truth and real accountability and justice for what happened to our country. we were attacked by a foreign power in 2016, an attack invited by the candidate who is now our president. an investigation into that attack was obstructed by this president. unfortunately, the house of representatives today has stalled in their pursuit of these facts and the truth. only impeachment gives them the leverage and the mechanism

necessary for us to know exactly what has happened and who is responsible for that. i understand it is politically difficult and challenging and i have all the respect in the world for speaker pelosi. i know she will get to the right decision on this. but our country is depending on it. that's why i bring this urgency to this issue. >> all right. speaking of urgent issues let's talk about immigration. looking at your plan the beto o'rourke immigration plan pathway to citizenship, reuniting separated families, rescinding travel bance, stopping work on the border wall, boosting staffing to expand inspections, investing $5 billion in the northern triangle. let me ask you why do you need to stop work on the border wall? you know that the acting head of the dhs who ran cbp has been in it for a long time, and he and others on the border say we need it. we need the physical border. it is not immoral and helps us funnel places to the right places of entry and keeps people safer. why stop the work?

>> what keven mathey are doing creating chaos on the border. he has presided over an agency that has seen the deaths of six children in the last year that were within their custody. more than 600 miles of walls we already have have produced the deaths of thousands of migrants just attempting to join their families or find work or flee persecution in some of the deadliest countries on the face of the planet today. >> i don't know. i don't have any information that the men and women watching these kids are responsible for their deaths. what i have seen come out in the reporting and the action reports is that they are overwhelmed with need. mcaleenan, nielsen before him, they were begging people in congress when you were there, begging for help. they didn't get it. they got half the money this he asked for. yes, it was $480 million. yes, they spent it.

yes, they have to be accountable. but they're overwhelmed. and one of the things that comes up is capacity. and i see boosting staffing, expand inspections. they don't have the capacity, beto. they need help. the democrats aren't giving it. the republicans aren't giving it. the president isn't giving it. in fact, i remember when you stood outside that facility and said, hey, you got to close this, but now they don't have the beds. they don't have anywhere to put the kids. what do you do about that? >> yeah. so first of all, i'm grateful to you for reporting from the border and seeing this with your own eyes. and one of the things we know from living on the border is these families do not belong in detention. they pose no risk to this country. in fact, if we implement something we call for in our plan, the family case management program, for a fraction of the cost, and at no risk to our communities, we can guarantee these families show up to their court dates, meet their appointments with i.c.e. officials, and follow our laws.

>> here is my question to you. maybe you have better insight on this. i see such opportunity for everybody in what's happening on the border right now. the president has his emergency declaration. he's not dipping into those pockets to help with the emergency need. he says the democrats won't give me the rule changes. this is about emergency help for this capacity and flow, beto. they need help now to process. you can't just let people into the country. you have to process them, deal with their medical needs, have a place to keep them while they're doing that. they're begging for it. the democrats aren't giving it either. why not? why don't they step into the void? >> i don't know if i agree with the premise of your question. i think democrats are there to meet legitimate concerns and needs whether taking care of the asylum seekers or ensuring that we're following our own asylum laws. >> but they're not giving dhs the help they need for the emergency situation is what i'm saying. >> well, dhs is using a program

of actually rejecting these asylum seekers at the ports of entry forcing them to try to cross in between the ports of entry where they then arrest them, put them in cages in some cases. chris, detention costs 300 bucks a night. family case management is $36 a day. it's got a 100% show rate in the immigration courts to make sure these asylum seekers are following our laws. >> i still think that this debate about what to do with the big issues -- asylum, family reunification, family separation, the florette settlemen flores settlement. they're all legit. but these six kids, i can't believe it's not 60. this month and next month will be the worst flow they have to deal with and i don't get why nobody is speeding them money to help get them accommodations and medical care, just medical care. why isn't that being rushed to them? >> i agree with you. maybe this is something

republicans and democrats alike can agree upon. we need to be there to make sure we don't lose the lives of anymore children who are within our custody and our care, that we meet this challenge for those families and do so while we follow our own asylum laws. that's all i'm asking us to do. >> beto o'rourke, i appreciate you getting deep into these issues and exchanging your ideas for the audience. you are always welcome here to do exactly that. >> thank you very much. i'm grateful. >> now, in fairness to beto o'rourke he is not in congress right now but just to be very clear they all say they want to do the right thing by the kids and protect the kids but they're not doing it. do you understand? there is no measure being offered up by anybody right now that is specifically tailored to fix this need. they're all adding other things. that's fine but it is not how you deal with an emergency. we must stay on it together. all right. speaking of together, they are lightning rods these two in congress, about as far apart on the political spectrum i think

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capitol hill. it all started with this. liberal congresswoman alexandria ocasio cortez reaching out to conservative senator ted cruz on twitter with a deal. let's work together on a bill banning former members of congress from becoming lobbyists. great idea. she says, just a clean bill. no snuck-in clauses, no poison pills. he responds within minutes, you're on. now, she could have picked up the phone but this is how they do it, the kids these days, on twitter. it's a rare show of bipartisanship and other lawmakers from the left and right are jumping on and, d. lemon, i love it. i love reaching across because you know they got nothing to do with each other ideologically right? >> right. >> forget senate and house. and i love the concept. if you've been in congress, never, ever be a lobbyist. you should be barred.

they are an odd couple too. you would be oscar i would be felix. >> so felix unger was it, oscar madison? >> i would be felix you would be oscar. you are messy. i am neat. you eat poorly. i eat well. >> chris. >> yes, sir. >> you are a mess. come on now. don't even try it. >> emotionally i am a mess. psychologically i am flawed. >> yeah. i think it's a great idea. i love it. i love everything about it. >> finally. finally. do you know the same thing when i was reading up on this because i knew we'd be talking about it, i said doesn't anybody pick up the phone and call or can't they e-mail or have like their assistant or somebody say, hey, why don't we actually talk on the phone and establish some sort of real relationship? >> yes. >> you know what? i'll take it if they can do it. >> look, i think this is her m.o. you know, she likes to create event politics and shea does that. interestingly, she is not a big interview seeker. >> no. >> she does try to create these

organic events. i'm not going to mess with the m.o. on this. to bar these people, if you don't get money out of the game, you'll never change the game. only one other thing would matter more to me but is much less likely. this they can get done. term limits. if you could get term limits done it >> term limits, barring people from becoming lobbyists and fixing the whole jergerrymander thing. >> that's at the state level. >> but still if you could just do it, you would still fix -- well, i shouldn't say you would fix the tire process but you would change the process for the betterment of the country. speaking of odd couples, you know he's steal your shine. he's trying to take our cool relationship, this whole bromance thing. >> oh, i call it a professional relationship. >> john kasich is on. he's my new bud. we talk all the time. >> i talk to him about you.

he's not a big fan. >> that's not what he says. >> maybe to you. >> that's not what he says. listen, john kasich and i are like you. we come from different parts of the world, from different backgrounds. but i love talking to him because as you say your phrase we test each other and at the end of the conversation we're going to remain friends even if we disagree. he's going to be on. we're going to talk about all the issues happening in washington and the president's temper tantrum, how he feels about mueller speaking out and also kamau bell is going to come onto talk about steve king now, when it comes to issues of race and contributing -- that is an eye roll. i'm with you on that. >> i don't know where he had to go after he said you can't keep going with other peoples babies and cantaloupes. >> we'll be on after the town

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this. his attacks on the truth impressed a few but turned off the many. see, this president doesn't see what is happening around him. exhibit a. >> john mccain, i wasn't a fan, but i would never do a thing like that. now, somebody did it because they thought i didn't like him, okay? and they were well-meaning, i will say. >> well-meaning? none of that is. you don't say you weren't a fan of a dead war hero. of all-times to be honest. and the fact that someone in the white house meant well by hiding a ship's name from the president is a symptom of a sickness. they won't mention preparing for election interference or the problems with kids at the border or giving troubled information about foreign affairs. none of this is well-meaning. it has meaning. there is a culture of fear and catering to a potus who routinely chooses to lie like this. >> there's no obstruction. there's no collusion. there's no nothing.

it's nothing but a witch hunt. a witch hunt by the media and the democrats. they're partners. and it keeps going. >> interference was real. he did try to obstruct. his people did collude. there was no criminal conspiracy with russia, thank god for that. but never a witch hunt. trump's folks did stupid things to gain advantage and they lied about it and so did the president. but there's a chance to dhachg and the president stands much to gain. attacking the truth is killing him politically. here's the argument. first of all, easily it's an abuse of power and people know it. the biggest conss is that he can't tell the truth. 65%. find another number that's that high about him, and they happen to be 100% right. the president wants to avoid impeachment. here's the other part of the argument. stop lying about what we knee to be true. here's why. the house needs people to buy in that this president should go

because of what happened. i suggest it's an iffy proposition. but the more the president exhibits the same behaviors that are being examined, the more people that are going to catch on. push ideas for changing immigration. don't lie about immigrants. don't blame democrats for a problem that you lied about creating. you fomented and claimed could be fixed by a fence. push policies for more jobs and better trade, but don't lie about our growth and the risk of tariffs. don't lie to farmers. i don't accept that this president can't do things differently. i've seen him do things differently before. i've watched him fall on his face and ask for money in ways and work into businesses in a way that he never had. i remember when this president wouldn't shake your hands. he was a germaphobe. today he shook 1,000 cadets hands in the air force graduation. so this isn't just about doing what was right. that should be enough. but i can't see how this

president win with his numbers and support levels where they are. and the key to doing better for himself is doing better for the rest of us. that's what i have for you tonight. thank you for watching. cnn presidential town hall, senator michael bennett begins right now. [ applause ] good evening from the cnn s center in atlanta and welcome to cnn's presidential town hall with michael bennett. bennett is a democratic senator from colorado vying for a chance to take on president trump. before going to washington he served as superintendent of the denver public school system, public service runs in bennett's family. his father worked in the carter and clinton