standard murder case of someone not only irritated but angry in the office. this could be local police handling this. >> we'll stay on top of the story. i'm wolf blitz ner the cnn situation room cnn coverage of the deadly shooting in virginia beach continues right now with erin burnett outfront. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> good evening i'm erin burnett outfront tonight, the breaking news with 11 people dead font in a mass shooting in virginia beach. these are live pictures you can see right now. this was actually just moments ago at the city's municipal center. in is where it happened. police say a gunman walked into the building, opened fire. the shooting described as indiscriminate. the situation at this moment is fluid. new details are coming in as i speak. we're hearing for the first time from people who were inside the building. the lengths they went to to stay alive. >> we just heard people yelling and screaming to get down.

and i was on the phone with 911. so i was trying to concentrate on -- on getting -- talking to them. >> we put the desk against the door because we didn't know if they were coming in or anything. >> at least six people also now taken to the hospital and at this moment i cannot tell you their condition. we simply do not know. as i said it is very fluid. according to police, the gunman was a man, a public utilities worker for the city. is now dead after a shootout with police. shimon prokupecz is covering the story. shimon as i said it's fluid. things are changing what is the latest you know. >> officials say there is this is the most devastating day in the history of virginia beach. that tells you everything right there. you can only imagine what the scene must be like inside in building. as you said police just moments ago in a news conference saying that he entered -- the shooter entered building number 2 and just started firing. and it was police, police

responded. there were 911 calls. they responded. intercepted him. and that's perhaps how he died in a shootout with police. a police officer was also shot. the police chief there saying he was only saved by his bullet proof vest. so certainly you can just imagine what it must have been like for the police when they got to that scene, hearing the gunshots, trying to find the shooter. they get him and he is now dead. the other thing that we're learning as you said -- the fbi, the atf, other local officials, officials investigators on the sand as they try to go through what now is a crime scene and of course dealing with families, trying to get the -- identify the victims here and notifying families of the ones who are died. this is definitely a very devastating day for the folks there in virginia beach. >> and shimon, it's just horrible. i mean, do we know anything yet about the victims? obviously this was described as

indiscriminate. but is there any more information you can give us? >> right. so the police chief did say these are city employees. city employees were injured inside the building. what's interesting about this location is that the operations building of the city. there is a public works in that building. there perhaps are other operational things that are used to run the city. utility workers, perhaps, other kinds of local governments. this is a large complex. it's a municipal building. there is city hall nearby, a courthouse nearby. but in shooter which the police say is a current city employee walked in, antarcticed thtarget building building 2 and started indiscriminately firing. police have not released anymore information about the victims. they do say six were trransportd to hospitals and now they said they are in the process of identifying the dead and

notifying families. >> shimon, when you talk about in being an operations building, things like public works, schools, i believe run out of there, what do we know about the shooter? you describe as a current employee. do we know if he worked in that building or one of those areas or this is all beyond what we know at this time. >> it is beyond what we know at this point. and police didn't want to give you too much information in terms of the shooter. as i said the victims they didn't want to get into too much details about that. because obviously it's too early and they are in the process of notifying folks, family members. what is interesting is they have learned so much already. the fact they know he is a current employee of this building, that city employees were injured. he presumably works for the city. what kind of work he does for the city we dope know. but the person seemed to be going in there, targeting this one area, one specific building of in complex. and now it sounds like police

are dealing with a really big crime scene. they say he was going from floor to floor, multiple floors is where this shooting occurred. so it must have lasted for quite some time. and then the police were able to stop him. and perhaps prevented more people from dying, more people from getting injured. you know, you have the one officer who was injured. he was saved by his bullet proof vest. we are going to hear some heroic stories. and we heard some stories from already. from the employees inside the building who were inside rooms holding the door back, hearing gunshots, trying to save one another from dying from really getting injured in this shooting. and it sounds like it did go on for a little bit of time. perhaps forever for some of the folks inside this building. >> do we have any sense at this time as to how long it did -- it did go on for before they were -- obviously as a city complex you had a lot of police nearby obvio came to the

scene. but any sense of the time at this point in from 911 calls or anything or not yet. >> not yet. and police were asked that at the press conference. they said they didn't know specifically yet how long the shooting took place. but when you think about the affect if a he was going from floor to floor it had take some time, some time for police to find them. these things happen fast. but they seem like an eternity rb right. it can only be a few minutes but it shows you many people -- how quickly people can die in these situations and get injured. that's what we have here. and the fact that people knew to go into rooms. there was information sent out for people to shelter in place. they did. folks were holding doors. we heard stories like that of folks of the employees hiding in rooms as gunfire went on. so -- and the police searching for him. so it's going to probably be a pretty horrific scene inside for law enforcement as they start to go through this.

the fbi, the atf, they need the help now the locals are saying. . they are bringing in other authorities to try and process the scene. because it sounds like with multiple floors that it's stents zpleef extensive and grussome as i said it's fluid and there is a lot went don't know. i want to phil mudd former fisher senior intelligence dwirs. juliette kayyem and also with me jonathan, a former secret service agent joining me on the phone. let me just start here with you, phil. obviously fbi, atf now involved as you heard, shimon lay out. but when you put together the pieces we have here. current employee as shimon indiscriminate shooting, floor after floor, targeting a specific building it appears at this time. >> you used the right phrase, erin. it appears. there is two questions i'm looking at here. number one what we've been talking about the past couple

months what happened that's only part of it if i were in the business still there is a separate we haven't discussed that is the 1% question about whether anybody is out there who shared the views with this individual. the question you got to have going forward in the next couple hours is looking at things like his residence which is, weapons licenses, social media presence, you can be 99% certain he accurate aed alone. it looks like he did. but you got to solve the 1% in the next couple hours. and then an investigator can start spending more time looking back and answering the unanswered question, why did he do it. >> all right, juliette we don't know this anything about motive. again things can change but if our understanding is correct. he is a current employee. that doesn't give at least on the face of it even at a basic analysis any information. >> no, i mean, so what we do know and see 11 people who thought that they were going to have a summer weekend and their families were waiting for them are not coming home. i think we have tots that each

time. the eems of in can get lost -- the emotion of this can get lost in the frequency of the mass shootings. we no he that. and we no he because he is a current employee that issues around how can we better secure buildings might very well be moot in this case. if there is security he had a id badge or something that let him into the building freely. this is not an issue of should we secure buildings better. and then the third issue of course is still out there in the presence press conference we didn't hear anything as the weaponry used. if in occurred over a long period of time the and we're at the stage i'm going to say things like this and only 11 people died, one might view in as potentially a handgun issue. if it was a short period of time and able to kill 11 people then you're looking at sort of bigger weaponry or more powerful weaponry. that's the big question i have now as we go into as phil said a very important sort of

investigation both on what happened and then could something more happen. >> all right and jonathan i guess we don't -- we don't know how long it went on. but i guess one important piece of information what is your -- what is your conclusion at least thus far from the fact that it appears he had enough time here to be going from floor to floor and room to room? tlaeft as it's been described now. >> yeah, absolutely. so you know the secret service through the national threat assessment center has -- has researched -- done a lot of research and active shooter situations, mass shooting and specifically workplace violence issues. and what they've concluded and see it's situations like this where you have targeted workplace violence it typically is it in response to some type of grievance. further to that almost 75% of the time in advance of the very dynamic and unpredictable situations the individual attacker has made some sort of

leading indication or comment that they were about to, you know, empark on this type of violent act. so this is a behavioral issue. you know, it's not normal for someone to walk into their place of work and start killing coworkers. so there are things when we start to take a look at who this individual was, what were the warning signs that were potentially missed from the behavioral standpoint? because behavioral is a continuum. you move along in a path to the point of acting in a violent manner. i think we have to take these instances and really dissect what happened what rp the warning signs missed so that's tragedy events do not continue further. >> all right. all of you please stay with me. the governor of virginia ralph northam has just spoken. let me play what he said. here is governor northam. >> horrific -- and we're here to

monitor the law enforcement first responders. i'm going to go in here and be briefed and brought up to date and we'll have further compensates a little bit later. thank you, andy. >> any words just to the community? the community is shaken right now. >> this is just a horrific day. and a lot of people are on the scene here. just our thoughts are for the victims and families. we're working with our law enforcement, first responders, our folks at the hospital a and just making sure we take care of everybody right now. but we're going to be briefed here and i'll have further comments in a little while later in the evening. >> any say that 11 are dead. when you hear that. >> yes it's just a horrific day, andy. >> thank you. thank you. >> all right. that's the governor of virginia, ralph northam. phil, let me just ask you as obviously he -- he doesn't have all the information either. we are literally just starting to learn this. the virginia beach chief of police gave us a couple other pieces of information a few moments ago. i want to see what you make of

this. one, this person -- still don't know the person's age or anything about them, name -- we dough are do know it was a longtime employee was the description by the chief of police. longtime in the public utilities area. obvious lip public utilities would be operated out of this area building 2 in the municipal complex. what do you make of longtime employee. >> i make one thing that is the police chief telling us -- gichg us that identifying information tells me nef a name. there is no which you can give me that data without saying -- not know the name. >> yes. >> there is a reason you doesn't want to handout the name. let's just draw one conclusion that we've got an address at this point. we dent know who lives there. if there are other weapons in the address i want to see what fingerprints are on them. but already at this point hours in on both the human side, going to addresses and witnessing people once you get that name and on the technical side doing frgt from weapons checks to looking at social media, they have a ton of information already about in individual just based on a name.

>> which -- right and they would want to look at that before they release it it makes sense. >> yes. >> jonathan what about the other piece of information the police chief said that this person did shoot a police officer. the officers returned fire process. the suspect is deceased. now obviously we -- we don't know the identities of those killed. from the way in is said it's possible at least that only one police officer was shot at in which case it would seem from this very early sense it's possible that a motive against law enforcement was not the motive, right? >> well, no, obviously you know, this is a horrific scene. and we have to give credit to law enforcement in this case. you know, these officers rushed towards the gunfire. they were actually hunting who the aggressor was. and they had to traverse through this horrific environment, you know, wounded individuals. and there is a psychological and physiologile affect that

officers undertake in the dynamic situations. it's very hard for a police officer to by pass someone that's injured. but they have a mission to go and, you know, put down this threat immediately. so i think that we have to give credit to the law enforcement that was here. this is not seem like an incident where it was a setup of a suicide by cop where this individual was waiting to confront law enforcement. you know, typically you know active shooter situations these aggressors do not want to confront law enforcement. they want to continue with the horrific act. because they know confronting law enforcement is going to end this -- their act of violence. >> juliette, longtime employee. current employee. you know, again, with we don't know a lot of information. so things could change. but knows aren't the two first kinds of descriptions that one would expect in a situation like this. >> no, i mean, look, workplace

violence as we know has -- has always been an issue. this is -- i'd have oh check but this seems like a high fatality event for workplace violence, and in particular just sort of the hunting as we heard from the police chief from floor to floor. i'm interested in motive, right and the terms of what -- was there a triggering event? was there a long-term annoyance? was in someone they had been watching? is this someone who just lost their job and this is the last day? we'll find that. but i'd be remiss if i didn't say the other piece of it is of course weaponry and we're going to find out about weaponry. virginia is an open carry law we don't know if other people were armed because it was a municipal building. we don't know if weapons were prohibited which is often the case in some of the government buildings. we don't know if there were security guards. but obviously motive is important. response is important. but i am waiting to hear what

kind of weaponry was used and what kind of access to weaponry. not the suspect but the dead assailant had because that has to be part of the discussion immediately. like day -- minute one. it's never too early to talk about the fact that 11 people are dead today and their families are devastated because of the gun violence we have in this country. >> and jonathan we don't know yet know if the families have been informed. obviously we don't know anymore information about the victims right now than we have shared. we know that they are 11 people. the shooter is not among those 11. the shooter is dead but not among the 11 and that the 11 were all in that building. that's what with he know. petition know a police officer was shot at but that police officer it appears is okay because he was wearing a bullet proof vest. jonathan what do you make of the fact -- i think as juliette so poignantly said this is a friday afternoon people getting ready to go home for an early summer

weekend that they will never go home for. the timing of this, coming on a friday afternoon. >> yeah, i mean, listen there is of a lot of things we don't know right now. and, again, because this is -- seemingly an act of workplace violence we don't know what the trigger is that set the employee off. did they potentially know they were being terminated? we have seen in the past incidents where we've had mass shootings on friday afternoons because of an anticipated layoff sfr their employer. there is a lot of things around the motive that could be. time will tell. phil had said it earlier on, we need to really go back and look at all the facts that are involved in this matter. and the police know a lot more than they're letting on. this is a rapid hi developing investigation and we'll have some information hopefully soon to bring some clarity. not only to the general public but also you know to the

families that have been attacked by in tragic tragic convenient. >> phil in terms of when we find out more information, as they are talking to families, as they are going to to known addresses doing all these things they have told us the police chief that we should heard within the next couple hours their next briefing. is that what you'd expect. >> that makes sense to me. look if they have the identification already they can start the interview process. they should have locations where the individual lived, obviously where he worked. you can start to get the information and secure the facilities before somebody like the many gets there. by the time we are talking about 9:30 that stuff in terms of securing facilities and also conducting the initial interviews and notifying the people whose families are grieving tonight that should be done. i'd expect a fair amount of information in a couple of hours. >> all of you please stay womack. we are going to continue with our breaking news in a moment. we'll hear from the police chief. to understand exactly what they have told us. but what we understand so far

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moments ago. here is part of what he said. >> we do know that shortly after 4:00 p.m. this afternoon the suspect entered building 2. he is a longtime employee of public utilities. i will not release his name at this time. and he immediately began to indiscriminately fire upon all the victims. officers entered. once the call went out the officers were at headquarters and responded to building 2. they secured as many of the victims as they could and then engaged with the suspect. the suspect did shoot a police officer. officers returned fire. the suspect is deceased. >> frrm virginia kmsz scott taylor represented this area. and i know, scott, that you know this entire checks and this building very well. tell us what you can. >> it's going to be -- it's a horrible day obviously for

virginia beach, my hometown at least where i called home for over 20 years now. great people to work in that building. it's a building that's not secure. it's where the citizens do business for zoning, planning, public utilities. and that's why it's just not secure. it's -- the whole government complex there right down the street in fact the sheriff's office and the police office and a lot of first responders are there so quick on the scene. but obviously with an incident like this things happen really fast. and we're just devastated here in virginia beach for president families expecting loved ones to come home tonight. >> it's just horrible. when you say obviously not a secure building. i don't want to -- if you're not sure -- but, i mean, you're basically saying we're not going to have things like metal detectors and things like that in this building. >> i mean, it remains to be scene what may come out of this. but there were not metal detectors before. i means in just a -- this is

where a lot of citizens go to do business for real estate stuff and -- pay real estate taxes, do zoning and planning. there has not been security prior. and as you guys have been talking about how the chief of police came oh out in the press conference this is a disgruntled current employee. and i imagine we'll hear more come 9:30. this is not a secure place. because it's a place where we do business. >> right. and it would seem from the description we just heard from the police chief that he entered the building and began indiscriminately shooting. we don't know whether he was there earlier in the day what his shift was we don't know the information. but with he we marry a longtime public utilities employee to you that means he very likely worked in the building or at the least was sfreemly familiar with it. >> there is no question. not just with the building but the people working there. there is a lot of employees that work in the building and the city in general have been there

for a long time. there is no question that this individual who ever he is was familiar with the compound, the building and the employees unfortunately. >> the employees and as i say as we understand we don't know the identities of the individuals. we did he know at least at this point it appears they were all civilians. you know, scott when you hear this and you talk about just the devastation and shock in virginia beach, you know, it's one of those things no one can comprehend, no one can get their arms around. and yet it happens with frighteni frightening regularity in this country. what is your reaction now it's happened in your hometown in virginia beach? there is now a mass shooting? >> well, it's way premature for me to comment on any reason why or what weapon he used or policies por if there is a policy that could have prevented this. it's just way too premature i don't have any information to say that. i'm not prepared to compensate

on that. it's just too early. >> it's just at this point the emotion. >> i understand there are people -- i understand there are people who might want to comment on it. but without any information we don't know if there is any policies that could have been put in place that would have prevented in specific incident. i just don't know. and that's just premature. >> well i appreciate your time, scott. thank you very much. as i said scott taylor was the former congressman from in area. of course as he said it's called virginia beach home for more than 20 years. en and obviously very familiar with the area. as you heard his description from the many times he has been thereby, it was a very low security building because civilians are in and out. citizens are in and out. constantly, zoning real estate taco taxes is a place of business. for the community. next, more on our breaking news. we'll go live to the ground with a reporter who is there. right after this. direct messages have evolved. so should the way you bank. virtual wallet from pnc bank.

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condition. we simply just don't know. this was a mass shooting in virginia beach. according to the police chief, the gunman entered a municipal building, started shooting indiscriminately. it's a longtime current employee of the public utilities in virginia beach. and that person is now dead after a shootout with police. we simply cannot tell you more about the victims or the motive at this point. we doept know. but someone on the ground gordon rego for the virginian pilot, the local newspaper, has been there, has been there sibs this all began joins me live on the phone. gordon, you are there. you have been talking to a lot of people. tell us what you know. >> so at this point a couple of hours after the shooting a lot of the employees have gone home. employees worked atabling two and other builds some had to

leave cars behind and pick up rides to get out of here. this happened a little before 40. and there is also a lot of people here just paying -- trying to get parking permits. there were people paying parking tickets when some -- a lot of the buildings here at the center had to be put on lockdown. they zribd a frantic scene where you know basically s.w.a.t. officers were running down the street, directing them to get inside the building. and lock down the doors. i've talked to people who said that they were hiding under their desks. this would be -- this would have been in building one, right beside where the shooting took place. so it's -- you know there were a lot of people here. many at this point have gone home and the scene has begun to calm down. >> gordon when you talk to people you say it began just before 40. we understand the gunman just came in the building.

do you know what happened at that point? i know he went floor to floor. was he only shooting at employees? were citizens who were in there dealing with their parking permits? any of those people possibly shot? what have you been able to learn? >> as far as what happened inside building 2, i don't have those details at this point. we have calm of other reporters on the ground, one of whom wagon was actually talking -- at the press conference and heard from the police chief. but as far as more intimate details, you know, what the gunman did inside, that's information that i just don't have right now. >> do you know. >> i believe -- >> no, no i understand. look, it's very fluid. do you know, gordon, from what you all have been able to find out how long this went on? you say that it started before 40. we know it went on quite some time do you have any sense how long that was at this point orp

not yet? >> well, it sounds like this happened pretty quickly. i mean as far as the shooting happened i don't know the length. but one guy i talked to who worked inside building two said that he heard -- you know, he heard gunshots and then just a quick time later- dsh a short time later police had arrived. and he heard what sounded like an exchange of gunfire. again, he did not see this. but it's tough to know. it sounds like police arrived here pretty quickly. i don't have the time frame built up. but, you know, within -- some -- i'm sorry civilians who spoke to like i said paying parking tickets and whatnot, said they were on lockdown for about 45 minutes to an hour. until police beganing them out. >> all right. well that's everybody obviousliperson as we try to figure out everything we can on the time line gordon thank you very much. please let us no he as you find out more process information.

i want to go to chris swiker former fbi director for the criminal investigative division. used to work in municipal building and has spent a lot of time living and working in virginia beach as well. chris, what's your reaction so far? zbloots yeah, i'm very familiar with the complex. it's a massive 20-building plus complex. and it's -- it's a very difficult scenario to respond to as a first responders. but what we saw here is that the current paradigm which is first responders go straight to the shooter. in the past that's not been the case. they would form a the perimeter but in the last couple years -- appear they would do a static sbroe. now they do dynamic entries go straight in straight to the shooter and try to nierltize it. the second thing is 11 fatalities and six wounded tells me that this -- this was a rapid fire weapon whether a pistol or rifle. they're designed to kill a lot of people in a short period of time. when you combine that with --

with -- dsh well we don't know all the facts here. but we often see mental illness associated with this. so weapons mental illness, and perhaps maybe some type of workplace incident. i will say -- the fact -- it's still early. the facts aren't in yet. the fog of war is still present and the details are sketchy. >> what do you make for us of the time? as gordon was laying out that this started just before 40? we're talking about a municipal building on a friday afternoon, early summer. that -- that's right at the end of the day when i suppose things would quiet down or a lot of people would be coming in and out of the exit at the last moment when the shooter came in. does the timing seem relevant to you? >> no, other than i mean -- and this is sheer speculation. people often get let go on friday sees. and this sounds like -- there is some information that this the

might be a workplace type incident that the workplace was targeted. so you know, it's hard to read anything that other than that one thing. >> all right. chris, thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >> all right erin. thank you. >> and next more on the preying news we hear from the mayor of virginia beach after the deadly shooting in this city. [farmers bell] (driver) relax, it's just a bug. that's not a bug, that's not a bug! (burke) hit and drone. seen it, covered it.

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and we are following the breaking news out of virginia beach right now awaiting a bit more information on the victims, 11 people were murdered. around 40 on this friday afternoon, six more right now in the hospital. their condition currently unknown. just a short time ago the mayor of virginia beach spoke. >> this is the most devastating day in the history of virginia beach. the people involved are our friends, coworkers, neighbors, colleagues. >> shimon is following the breaking news. and shimon what more are you learning right now about who did this and the possible motive? >> right. we're still learning -- trying to figure out the motive. officials there in virginia not

getting into specifics yet. but they do tell us according to a source that this was a disgruntled employee. someone who was working there. the police chief sated it was a current employee. now we learn something was going on. there was something this employee was unhappy about. we don't know what it is. we don't know why today was the day he chose to unleash this shooting and kill so many people. that is still something that we're trying to figure out. but the police certainly know. the authorities there certainly know what was behind this. and perhaps maybe in the next update we'll get more information. but obviously there as you saw from the mayor, it's pretty horrific scene, someone that he said that he knew, the victims there, the family members of people that he knew. and so this is going to touch everyone in that community. and certainly now, you know, there is going to be work that needs to get done was there any way this could have been prevented?

was there something that could have alerted folks to what was about to happen here? perhaps not. but the shooter knew where he was going. he knew the building. he knew where to go. he targeted building number 2, police said and went from floor to floor just firing. it was the police that ultimately stopped him from killing anyone else. and in fact even they said that a police officer was shot and etches saved by his bullet proof vest. there was an interaction between him and the suspect. there was a shootout that's how the suspect perhaps died. >> yes. >> that's still very much -- very much things that are -- they're still trying to determine, the police, investigators and working threw the scene there. >> and of course as we await more information which they say is coming very soon, we with don't know kmkt when but they are giving us much more information. shimon, thank you. phil mudd is back with me. phil, of course, you know, yoend if you heard chris schwebacher was saying when you look at the

time line starting to emerge rb right, right before 40. and it happened rapidly the lockdown was 45 minutes or so as he understands it. of course chris was saying this was certainly a rapid fire weaponen >> yeah, i'd greed with chris. another couple things i'd point out, chris was talking about the fact about whether this was workplace violence, which is what shimon was talking about. you have to wonder whether there was a trigger event today. you are also talking about right before the workday ends. one of the lines of inquiry has to be if he was trying reported so quickly i have to sit become and say if it's right before the workday ends that person was vigored so significant willy they couldn't manage to wait a weekend. i think we will have learned -- i'm guessing the police learned already what the triggers event was. then the other equally significant question we spoke about, whether there is anybody else who spoke with the individual about the act before it happens. but i would think by the 9:30 press conference well have some idea about what happens in that workplace. >> and i would imagine we're knowing a lot more. i don't know if you heard scott

taylor the former congressman saying this was a low security building. an open carry state. but we'll know a lot more about the weapon, whether it was allowed or not allowed in the state of virginia. >> i think that's true. i think the equally sfift question is the question we faced after broward county. now about a year and a half agoty horrific school shooting. it's not just about weapons it's about whether there was a trying aring conversation that should have led to red flag event. not formally. but nflly if law enforcement ever engaged engaged him before. >> right. obviously we just content know at this time. phil, thank you. and next we're hearing from more people who were there on the grounds as the shooting was happening. my experience with usaa has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa"

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california. both of you were going to be on the program tonight to have a substantive and, i thought, fruitful conversation about impeachment of president trump, but here we are again talking about a horrific mass shooting in this country, the only country in the world that this sort of thing happens like this, and yet here we are. congressman espiat, what happens now? nothing happens in congress? >> first, my heart goes out to the families and neighbors and friends of the victims and to virginia beach. yet another city that's been hit by this public health crisis. it is just unbelievable. we must do something. i don't know the details on this, but it seems like it was rapid fire. and if there's any semi automatic weapon involved they should really be taken off the streets. it is just too much. it is unbearable. i just don't see the logic with someone carrying these kinds of weapons that are really weapons of war. it is just mind boggling. >> why anyone would.

congressman, look, you have issued statements. you have held town halls. you have taken this issue on, and yet you share the frustration of many americans that nothing changes, nothing ever seems to change. what will make a difference? >> first of all, my heart goes out to the folks affected in virginia beach with this awful tragedy, and i want to just salute the first responders and law enforcement for their bravery in preventing even more loss of life. but you're absolutely right. look, we're the only country in the world where mass shootings happen on a regular basis. 2,000 people have lost their lives since sandy hook, which was in 2012. at some point we have to ask, all of us as americans, when is it enough going to be enough. we have passed legislation in the house, hr-8 on comprehensive gun safety legislation. i hope this incident is finally going to wake up this country and that the senate will act and the president will sign something.

people are sick of this and we need to act as a country. >> congressman, obviously had it not been a gun, had it been a knife, you wouldn't be looking at 11 people dead tonight. >> probably not, erin. as congressman khanna says, we passed legislation, hr-8, that does address to some degree this crisis right now. it has gone too far away from us, but yet we need to do even more than that. i think it is just a public health crisis, these shootings happening all over the country. it is about educating the country, say culture of violence really that has emerged in america and it is gripping and affecting obviously all of us and today hit very hard in virginia beach. >> congressman khanna, obviously there was a time when the president of the united states said he was going to take this issue on, he didn't care about the nra, and obviously that has not been followed up with action at all.

he obviously has been briefed on this situation. is there any possibility that this could be an area where you could work with him? >> i hope so. look, i don't think this is a partisan issue. this is an issue that affects every american family, regardless of where you live. the president earlier had said that we needed red flag laws so that if someone is a danger that we could go in with due process and take the gun away from that individual before they commit then he had a meeting with nra and other officials and he backed off of that. i hope that there's going to be some pressure on him and on the senate and others to act, and let's come together and finally do something. >> all right. thank you both very much. >> thank you. >> i appreciate your time tonight. and our breaking news continues after this.

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>> all right. thank you for joining us as our breaking news coverage of the mass shooting in virginia beach continues right now with anderson. tonight it is virginia beach. we're coming to you with the worst kind of breaking news imaginable. john berman here in for anderson. tonight our hearts go out to virginia beach, virginia, where police say a city employee opened fire in a municipal building and took at least 11 lives before police took his. six more people are in the hospital. the city, needless to say, is in shock. this is all unfolding moment by moment in the words and images we all think we are so familiar with until it happens where we live, and it is happening where we live. tonight it is virginia beach. >> this is the most devastating day in the history of virginia beach. the people