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nuts, but it's where we are. and because it's where we've been for several years now, we have adjusted, and because of that, we talked here about whether it's even news anymore when the president lies. but it is. of course it is. because it always matters when the president of the united states gets up on the world stage and lies, no matter how big the lie or little. so tonight, keeping them honest, we will be debunking them, but also focusing on how this parade of little lies may be making it tough to take anything the president says seriously, especially those things we really need to take seriously. first, quickly, the little lies, number one, the protests. >> i did see a small protest today when i came, very small. so a lot of it is fake news, i hate to say. but you saw the people waving the american flag, waving your flag. it was tremendous spirit and love. it was great love. there was an alliance. and i didn't see the protesters until just a little while ago.

and it was a very, very small group of people put in for political reasons, so, it was fake news. >> actually, you can see on the screen, we'll show you, there have been sizable demonstrations. so, just because you don't see something doesn't mean it did not happen. then there's records. the president loves him some records. >> i have a 90%, 94% approval rating as of this morning in the republican party. that's an all-time record. you can believe that? isn't that something? i love records. >> "the washington post" dug into this one. they found that dwight eisenhower, and both george bushes, polled better among republicans than donald trump. finally, there is this one on brexit. >> i really predicted what was going to happen. some of you remember that prediction. it was a strong prediction. made at a certain location on a development we were opening, the day before it happened.

>> keeping them honest. this one is so hard to figure. it's so unnecessary. the president actually did predict brexit. he did it months before the fact. but not the day before, as he said today, and not at his golf course in scotland. he did talk about brexit there. but he did not make any predictions. how could he? because it was a day after the vote. so, he took a true and flattering story and turned it into an easily checkable lie. it's not a big lie, it's a dumb lie. again, one of those little lies we've become so accustomed to. this, on the other hand, may not be. his threat to hit mexico with tariffs next week. >> mexico shouldn't allow millions of people to come into come into our country, and they could stop it very quickly. and i think they will. and if they won't, weir going'r to put tariffs on. every month they go from 5% to 10% to 15% and to 20 and 25%. >> and that's serious stuff

according to new estimates from the new york federal reserve bank. the cost from tariffs not just on mexico will more than double this year from $414 to $831 per household. that's a big thing, a big costly thing. and no one's quite sure whether the president really means to carry it through. not families who will have to tighten their belts, not farmers, not mexico. senate republicans are pushing back, but no one really knows how seriously to take this very big thing. could all the lies have something to do with that? all right. let's get much more on this, first, let's check in with cnn's jim acosta in london. jim, representatives from the white house, along with doj, they briefed senate officials today. what did they say and how were they received? >> reporter: well, i will tell you, john, we talked to a number of sources today, and i talked to one just earlier this evening, a senior republican official up on capitol hill, who said, listen, the folks who came over from the white house to brief republican lawmakers at

this luncheon earlier today seemed unprepared. not only in how to detail, i guess, how all these tariffs are going to be implemented and put into place, but also unprepared to teal with the push-back coming from their fellow republicans. in the words of this one republican official, they must have seen this coming. they should not have been surprised by all of this because, what's happening, john, republicans have gone along with the president's tariffs on china so far, because they've seen that as retaliating against chinese trade practices. they see this as something being very different. they see this as going after mexico, because of the policy down on the border and the president is trying to get some sort of response out of mexico by slapping these tariffs. senator ted cruz, who has been a strong supporter of if, even though he was a critic of the president in the past, apparently talked at length about how he's not only worried about how these tariffs will affect texans on the u.s. side, but if mexico retaliates and imposes their own tariffs on u.s. goods going to mexico, that could hurt people in texas, as

well. so, you have people from some very bright red states raising some very big concerns, john. >> do you have some sense how hard the president is willing to fight for these tariffs? >> reporter: well, that was also indicated during this meeting, and it's interesting, john, you remember when the president declared that national emergency to try to use money from other parts of the federal government to pay for his border wall, some of those white house officials who were in that meeting earlier today talked about the prospect of the president declaring yet another national emergency or using his national emergency powers to try to impose these tariffs on mexico. that was also something that raised eyebrows in that room with republican senators. and as one of our colleagues up on capitol hill heard, from one republican aide after this meeting was over with, they described this as a cluster-f. i won't complete the word there, john, but fellow republicans of this president who came out of that meeting scratching their heads and wondering exactly what the president is going to do. but you heard him say at that press conference earlier today

with the prime minister, theresa may, that he intends to do this coming next week and seems that his own party is unprepared for that at this point. john? >> jim acosta, thank you. joining us now, cnn global affairs analyst, max boot. also david gergen, who has been on his share of trips like this one, dating back to the smoot holly days. david, look, when push comes to shove, do you really think enough republicans would actually go against the president to override a presidential veto? >> yes. i do. i think that this issue in particular has great resonance within the republican party and a lot of senators have their own well-being at stake here and their own popularity in their own states, so, i think this is one the president could, you know, lose outright. but let me go back to the fundamental question, when all this lying -- i think we do

become numb to it, and that is, in some ways, diminishing our outrage at any particular lie. but it's the reverse of that, or the inverse of that that's probably important. we no longer believe him when he wants us to believe him. there's a tendency, if he wants to say something, we're now skeptical of the truth of that proposition. it's very difficult to govern, to lead other people if they fundamentally don't believe you're telling them the truth. a trust is still -- it's an old fashioned idea but it's still the coin of the realm in politics. >> that's why we set this thing up this way, david. when he talks about these tariffs, it's a very big deal. you want to believe the president that the threat means something. max, david says he really believes the republicans in the senate will stand up to the senate this time. what does it say to you everything that's happened the last two years in office, that this is where the republicans in the senate choose to stake a stand? why this?

>> well, better late than never, i guess. i'm a little bit more skeptical than david as to whether there will be a successful spinal transplant for republicans on the hill, because they have been utterly is lly supine up until date. they had a real opportunity in march i think it was when they could override his state of emergency, which he is doing to do an inrun around the constitution and spend money congress has not appropriated for the border wall. you only have 13 republicans in the house and that's not enough to override a veto. perhaps now in this current situation, where he could do real damage to very red states like texas, maybe there will be enough republicans to override him. i certainly hope so, but i will not get my hopes up. i have been waiting time and time again for more than two and a half years now for republicans to finally show a little backbone and stand up for any of their reported beliefs, as the president has trashed them one after another.

i have been sorely disappointed. i won't get my hopes up on this occasion. >> you heard jim's report, quoting a senate gop aide who said the meeting that the white house had with senators was a cluster-f. what does it say that to you that the white house wasn't actually prepared to sell senators on this? >> well, it tells me that this has been a flawed decision-making process from the beginning. and that is, this was not a proposal that was thoroughly vetted within the administration. clearly people in the white house were not -- did not understand. it was something that's fundamental, i think you do, if you're the white house, you actually go to the congress and consult with them before you make a proposal like this. and clearly, that simply was not done. so, there is an incompetence level here that i think is at play. and i think it's one of the other reasons why so many senators are starting to rebel. max is right, we've waited a long, long time to see

republicans rise up and assert principles. but i sense we are very close to that moment. it may not happen here. but i do think it's coming. >> i keep looking at my computer, because they are telling me in my ear that the president just actually made a statement about this on twitter, and after calling chuck schumer names, he says at the bottom of the tweet, about the terror threat, it's no bluff. which is so interesting that he's saying this, it's no bluff. and again, it gets to the essence of what we've been discussing here, max, do we believe him? i'm not sure that most people have believed this threat on tariffs to mexico from the beginning. do you believe it's genuine? >> i have no idea, john, and i'm not even sure that donald trump himself knolls wh knows what he going to do two hours from now, it's hard to know what he'll do a couple days from now. remember, a couple weeks ago, the threat was he was going to close the border and he seemed

serious about it with mexico, and there was so much blow-back, he backed off and pretended he never considered that idea. so, you can go either way, either he will implement them or deny he did them in the first place. it will take a psychologist to figure out which is the most right one. i don't think any analyst has the right way of knowing for sure. >> go ahead, david. >> yeah, john, very briefly. i think we always assume when trump says something like that it's not a bluff. that he'll get partway along and realize that he needs to get out of it and he'll find some compromise and everybody will declare a victory. that's what we thought he was going to do on china. we thought he would work a compromise and work his way out of this, and now here we are, what amounts to a full-scale trade war and the relationship is deteriorate rapidly. and that is very threatening to the economy and to our future leadership in the world. >> all right. >> i think, david, the problem is, he doesn't actually have a

strategy. he doesn't know what he's going to do. >> i agree with that. >> we can try to analyze it, but he doesn't know himself and so we have no idea of how he's going to feel tomorrow or the next day and what's going to happen. >> and then he's likely to deny whatever he says he felt after the fact. max, david, thank you so much for being with us. next, a new and potentially explosive chapter in the spy who came in from the cold and wrote a dossier on donald trump and the russians. we'll talk about reporting he's ready to talk to the people investigating the russia probe. and author michael wolff on the questions surrounding his new book on the trump administration and some of the bombshell revelations inside of it. i'll ask him how he thinks this will all end, and you're going to want to hear his answer. (woman) paul, my husband and i need new phones and we're looking to save money. (paul) sprint has a great deal. double the fun. lease the latest iphone and get an iphone xr on us. (woman) the iphone xr has an amazing camera.

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the russia investigation. christopher steele has agreed to talk to justice department investigators. president trump puts the dossier that at the center of his case that the entire thing was a witch hunt. a pair of special agents and former senior intel excellencegent adviser phil mudd with us. phil, you say this will not go well for christopher steele. you also say, though, you're concerned for the fbi in all of this. how so? >> pretty simple, if you step back, the first question you'd have is, how significant is the steele information in the fbi investigation into the campaign? once we get beyond that, let's say the fbi used his information, for example, to read the emails of carter page. you go to a court, you go to a judge, say, this is some of the basis for our investigation. christopher steele now comes in and the first questions are going to be, what information did you get and how far did you go to affirm that information was accurate?

if he's able to say, i've got three sources for every piece of information in that dossier, i'm going to say good. the chances he can say everything i acquired is provable and positive, solid -- i'd question that, john. i don't think so. >> i know you have a different view. why don't you agree with phil here? >> well, i think it's important for this investigation to kind of go to some of the roots of what they think is flawed. and one thing that, you know, steele has is that he's a former mi-6 officer. he's basically the equivalent of our cia. now, he had already left the service, but he's a professional intelligence officer. he can speak the language to go to phil's point of why he believes his information was reliable. and i think, though, that phil does have a good point, that we are really getting away from the central point of what this is about, the steele dossier did not start the russia investigation. so, i think that needs to be

clarified. and ultimately, whatever information he provided that was used by the fbi to the court, it's really the judge's decision on how much weight to give raw intelligence that's provided by the fbi, if it's not corroborated or if that is solely what they are relying on. so, in many ways, i think that while it can flesh out the investigation, it doesn't act l actually get to some of the misinformation and the critical questions that ought to be answered. which really go to the judicial discretion piece here. >> from what you know about the fisa applications per the carter page information, you think that was all done properly? >> right. the question here, when it comes to the fbi and the department of justice, is, did they disclose to the court that the information they were providing was coming from a source? did they disclose information that -- of the source of the information that may cast any doubt on his credibility, like

the fact that this was opposition research, which they did. and, you know, did they provide any corroborating information? we don't know that. a lot of that was redacted. but there is no evidence they lied. ultimately, it's the judge's job to decide whether this meets the probable cause standard, and that judicial discretion piece has been completely unaddressed and left out of this whole equation, as if it doesn't exit. >> so, what does it tell you that christopher steele is doing this, apparently voluntarily? >> boy, it tells me that he didn't phone me, because i would have said, you can do to his kneeworld, i'm not sure i would go to doj. let me tell you why. they're going to ask him 74 questions at least about how he validated this information. as i said a moment ago, he might not have great answers. to your question of why he does this, i'm looking at him, saying, he's got a business. his business is built on respect, on his reputation. his reputation is taking a battering. >> you think he's doing this to clear up his reputation? >> he's coming here, not for

legal reasons, he's not at legal risk. he wants to tell the client, i cleared my name. >> look, no one's smarter than phil mudd here, but i have to believe christopher steele knows the nature of this investigation, knows there are those who say at this point it's politically motivated and doj may not treat him with kid gloves. >> i suppose, but if you know the inspector general's process, they're not there to say, hey, this investigation ran smoothly. every t crossed, every i dotted. in an investigation this complex, it's not going to be a clean report and i'm going to guess the steele piece is not going to be clean, either. this is going to go ugly. >> what does it matter, asha, because we always talk about the information inside the dossier and there have been things that turned out to be false. michael cohen and the prague meet egg. the salacious details from the russian hotel, they were never proven. does that matter or does the overall thrust of the boss sado is that what's important? >> so, the relevance of this

dossier is that it was used in one fisa application for carter page. carter page is one individual in this entire russia investigation. i want to point out, this is one thread. the question is, which piece of the boss say did they rely on? they didn't staple it to a cover letter and hand it to the court. and was it corroborated? and i think we don't know the answers to those questions yet, because most of it has been redacted and the i.g. report should shed more light on those questions. >> all right, asha, phil, thank you so much. up next, michael wolff, the fire and fury author, talking about his new book on the trump white house and the controversy surrounding it. allergies with sinus congestion and pressure?

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sold millions of copies and garnered plenty of controversy. his followup book is also being criticized, largely about sourcing and once again has washington abuzz. it's out today and takes place just after his celebrated "fire and fury." just before airtime, i spoke with michael wolff about the controversy surrounding his new book and the details in it. all right, so, your book, much like your previous book, is getting a lot of attention and creating a fair amount of controversy. one of the reasons this time is because of the sourcing. you told "the new york times" you don't reach out for comment for some of the people you write about, because, and i quote, i don't actually believe if you know the answer it is necessary to go through the motions of getting an answer that you are absolutely certain of. how is that responsible? >> let me give you a example, should i call up fox news and say, are you biased for donald trump? obviously, we know what they would say. they would say, in fact, no, we're not biased towards donald trump.

>> should you call fox news and ask them, did they provide the questions to brett kavanaugh in the interview with martha mccallum, which you write about in this book? >> a, i knew exactly what they've said, because i had this discussion with them in many other situations, remember, i've been covering the media for 20 years. and i knew that they would say no and i knew absolutely that they did. >> okay. you include a lot of salacious stories in here, not just stories like that. at a certain point, you don't think you need to reach out to some of the people in these anecdotes and ask them if it's true? >> i think this misconstrued. i afternoon reaoften reach out there's any doubt, if there's anymore information i can get. i'm on the phone, i'm talking to people all of the time. however, if it's a situation which i have to go into and i know the answer, i know they're going to lie to me -- remember, this is trump world.

everybody in it is -- what would be the word? a liar. this is -- what's the mantra of trump world? i would say it's deny, deny, deny. >> but journalistically, if you were writing in a newspaper, you would reach out and you would include that denial. >> important point. i am not writing in a newspaper. and that is a fundamental thing, and the idea that all journalism should be the same, that there aren't different forms, that there aren't different approaches, is ridiculous, actually, and not good for journalism. >> i guess there are some people who say there are serious questions raised when the sourcing is not clear and some ports, the sourcing is crystal clear. in other parts, the sourcing isn't transparent at all. >> and again, i think there is a lot of sourcing that is not clear -- that is not going to be clear here because that's my deal with my sources. >> you write in the author's note that this book is meant to look at an emotional state

rather than a political state. you note this isn't supposed to be a political book purely. what do you mean by that? >> i mean, i'm trying to give a picture of what trump world is. and speaking of an emotional state, i think it's a crazy place. i think it has logic long since left this world. >> you wrote a great deal about steve bannon. he is quoted on the record a great deal. he's your main avenue, your main window into trump world, i think. >> i call him my virgil, as a descent into hell. >> what is his current relationship with the president? >> i think it's a complicated relationship. they spend a lot of time thinking about one another, wondering if they should go back to working together. saying, both of them saying that they would never go back to working together. steve is still the bedrock of a lot of the policies that the trump administration is

pursuing. in many ways, they continue to pursue them, where they don't wander off in other directions, donald trump doesn't, because steve is always pressing this agenda. >> but their conversations are through intermediaries or smoke is signals, correct? they don't actually speak? >> that is -- that's what steve says, they don't actually speak. >> and haven't spoken? >> that is what steve says, yes. >> i want to ask you some specifics about what steve bannon said, again, on the record, because this ises if nating. this gets into the investigations into the preside president's businesses. there's been suggestion the president's personal company is a semi criminal enterprise and bannon responded to you, i think we could drop the semi part. so was he joking or what do you think he meant there? because you write that he did chuckle. >> i think that he's -- he's perfectly straightforward about this. and he's perfectly straightforward about, i think, the way that most people who have been around donald trump

believe. they believe that, you know, donald trump's long career has been a -- well, i would say, semi-criminal career. steve bannon would say, lose the semi. >> so does he have direct knowledge of that, do you think, or just suspected at this point? >> no, i think he probably h has -- yeah, i suspect he does have direct knowledge of that. >> do you think steve bannon believes the president obstructed justice? >> um -- yes. now, i would say that steve bannon would go and characterize this as "that's donald trump." so, the steve bannon view is partly, you know what this guy is, there's never been any -- any illusion otherwise. he's donald trump. that's the man you elected.

a man who cannot literally cannot tell the truth. at one point in the book, steve says -- i described steve as saying, i cannot tell you how many times he has looked me in the eye and lied to me. >> yet, he's still devoted to him in some ways? >> well, he's still -- it's a weird devotion. it's love-hate, or it's, you know, repulsion, attraction. you know, remember, steve made donald trump president, donald trump made, transformed steve into a voice in the world. >> back to the obstruction issue. the reason i was asking if you think steve bannon thinks the president obstructed justice, because you write bannon saying, never send a marine to do a hitman's job. and he's talking about robert mueller. and i wasn't sure what that meant. >> i think i can explain. >> did he want mueller to catch him? >> i -- he doesn't want -- he didn't -- it depends, i think,

on the moment of the day. >> sometimes he wanted mueller to catch him? >> i think sometimes he believed he would catch him. that it was inevitable. you know, but what he literally meant, and it's really interesting, because i think it goes to the heart of where mueller is now, what we think of this investigation. mueller is a guy who is an institutional guy. he defends the institution. he's not going to -- if -- i think if the choice became, for bob mueller, give donald trump a pass or risk donald trump pulling the temple down, i think he would give donald trump a pass. >> and you write that. you write that very clearly. just in closing, what do you want people to take from this book in and apart from the first one? >> this is -- i think that it gets crazier and crazier, that

donald trump is more isolated, more alone, that as we see this -- there's often this -- this -- we let it seem that donald trump is this dominant personality. i think this is the story of a meltdown, one of the greatest political meltdowns of all time. >> where do you think it ends? >> in tears. >> whose tears? >> donald trump's tears. >> where does steve bannon thinks it ends? >> there. let's put it this way, i said to steve, i referred to the possibility of trump getting another term, winning the election, and steve said, stop. >> all right. michael wolff. thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. still to come, vice president biden fires back at his fellow democrats running for president. and new cnn polling on the race,

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in case joe biden's opponents for the democratic nomination for president thought that maybe he'd fade, he hasn't. yes, the former vice president is down seven points in the latest cnn poll. but he's still the front-runner, and by double digits over everyone else. biden is at 32%.

bernie sanders is at 18% and everyone else who made the cut is in single digits. the vice president has banked his shot at the white house on a centrist appeal, and today in new hampshire, he had a message for his fellow candidates, many of whom criticized his approach over the weekend. >> you got to get people working together, because otherwise, there is no way this country can continue to function like it had in the past and will in the future. it's really -- and i'm not talking about going back to the past. i'm talking about avoiding a terrible future. if we do not. if we do not figure out how to make this work. aoc is now working with ted cruz. she's trying to get it. tell me that one, okay? >> hard to believe. >> come on. look, i understand. i don't blame them. they got to, you know, they're good folks, but we know. see you around. >> helping us break down those

comments and the numbers, david chalum and andrew gillum. david, even though the vice president's numbers may have waned a little bit, he's still in an enviable position, no? >> without a doubt. he's still in a field of his own. he has this commanding lead over bernie sanders, who quite frankly, is in a space of his own in second place, and everyone else there is in single digits. but that seven-point dip, remember, margin of error, plus or minus six points, we shouldn't read too much into this, i think it begs a question, john. is this the beginning of a slide or is this just losing some altitude from an announcement bounce and this is where he's settling in? >> yeah, north of 30 n% in a three-candidate field is still very good. does he stay there? mayor gillum, you heard him talk about not going back to the past. but that's a line of attack he will hear a lot. and if you look at our polling,

younger voters, they are likelier, at this point, to support sanders than they are the vice president. so, is this an area or should it be an area of concern for joe biden? >> well, i'll tell you, first of all, if you are vice president biden or senator sanders, you probably feel good looking at these numbers. in a very, very large field, they are occupying a good bit of the space. my caution is it is still early in the process, the first debate hadn't even taken place. we know that younger voters will obviously be in search of something inspiring and different and that's not to say that the two current front-runners can't provide that, but certainly it's going to be a challenge. the question for me will be, do they stay here, or, as candidates, expose themselves even greater to the electorate, will there be some slippage there? >> david, there's numbers that

jump out to you, 44% of potential democratic primary voters say they've already made up their minds about who they're going to support here. that's pretty early in the race. >> yes, and really before we've seen, sort of, candidate versus candidate clashes outside the debate stage, as well. listen, i am a big believer that campaigns matter, candidates matter. this will become engaged and external events can happen and change perceptions, but that number is intriguing. 44%, that only leaves 55% right now who say they may change their mind, john, that are really sort of up for grabs, and by the way, if you're a biden or sanders supporter, you feel even more committed. they do really well among that segment of the population that says they are going to stick with their choice, probably because they're known commodities, but i do think we should just urge a little caution there. there is going to be a campaign to take place. i would imagine even somebody saying they're committed to their choice all the way through, that could change down

the road. >> the title of my senior thesis in college was "campaigns matter." mayor, you brought up the idea that the candidates may need to expose themselves more, things may change when they expose themselves more. this may be particularly relevant to joe biden, who has, to an extent, stayed back from some of the larger cattle call events, not campaigning quite as much as others. how long can or should he do this? >> well, i tell you, i think vice president biden is going to be at his best as he's out there on the trail, being scrappy, not presuming that he'll be the eventual nominee. i think our side more than anything hates the idea of presumption, and for the other candidates who, right now, may be dismaying 5r7 ining around t because they may not see themselves right now in the position they want to see themselves in, while having good polling right now may be helpful for fund-raising, i would use my own personal experience as a little bit of a reminder. in my primary race, a five-bway

race, there wasn't a single poll that showed me winning. in the general election, there wasn't a single public poll showing me losing the general election. so, i have caution to the wind when it comes to these polls. it's worth running the race and seeing what happens. >> i will say, there was movement in both directions that was perceptible before both the primary and the general election, i know were way in front of when voters run, but you can look at trends. your case is a perfect example of that. david, last question here, the debates start this month, the cnn debate next month. how will this change the say and maybe even the size of the race? >> well, this poll, we learned that michael bennett, the senator from colorado, seems to be the 20th person to make the polling threshold to get onto a debate stage nuinitially here. right now, and you know, there's a fund-raising threshold and a polling threshold and we can get more polls, but in the next week, john, before the deadline sets in a week from now, right now, seth molten, steve bullock,

sort of left out in the cold and we'll see if they make threshold in the next week and they have to employ tiebreakers. but that is one very real way that the polls do shape the debate stage. >> and what do you do after that if you're not on the debate stage, how do you go forward? we'll have to watch and see. thank you so much for being with us. >> of course. stay with us. a lot more straight ahead, including a new arrest in the parkland school shooting that claimed 17 lives. who was arrested and the counts they face when we come back. you can get your student loans right

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in florida, the former school resource officer criticized for not trying to confront the parkland school gunman, is facing 11 counts, including child neglect. he faces charges of negligence

and perjury. he was booked into jail. he retired after the valentine's day shooting of 2018, and is now collecting a pension. he was fired at a disciplinary hearing. he did not enter the high school as the shooting began but stayed outside. in the past, his lawyer said it's a gross oversimplification because he believed the gunshots were coming from outside the building. this is a new legal chapter in this tragedy. >> the legal analysis will be pretty straightforward. the last part you just put out there, john, if it's reasonable, that he thought it was coming from the outside, what's his problem with that analysis? duration. this kept going on. people were running out saying things were going on. was he not aware of any of that?

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ostrich jacket. he is soon headed to ryker's island, the notorious prison. >> this is where opulence meets arrogance. >> reporter: he was a big spender. more than $400,000 in one year, at one clothing store. a $21,000 watch, and $450,000 in landsca landscaping, at his estate in the hamptons. the hamptons home is known to have one of the biggest ponds around, as well as the red and white flower bed, in shape of an "m." >> he's facing state felony charges in new york, including residential mortgage fraud, manafort may be moved to new york state. according to "the new york times," at rikers, about 85% of the inmates were pretrial

detainees. most have yet to be convicted of a crime. none of this is good news for paul manafort. manafort is 70 years old and reichers island is no picnic for inmates. this is video from inside rikers island. manafort would likely be in solitary containment for months. high-profile inmates at rikers are generally held in protective custody, including pretrial designees like manafort. in 2015, the city settled a lawsuit, that found adolescent inmates at rikers were not protected from the excessive force by guards and other inmates. rikers guards have a reputation for violence. a 2015 investigation by "new york" magazine and the marshal project, highlights the

slashings and stabbings at rikers. or experiencing seizures with little help from the guards. still, a top new york corrections official tells cnn, there's been a reduction of incidence at the jail in the past two years. manafort would hardly be the first high-profile inmate at reich eik rike rikers. a list of names that the high-flying manafort ever expected to join. randi kaye, cnn, new york. the news continues. we'll hand it to chris for "cuomo criprimetime." >> i am chris cuomo. welcome to "primetime." a new battle to make tougher gun laws a reality. this time in virginia. 12 were murdered friday. and already, lawmakers have taken sides. they haven't even started the discussion yet.