i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. are democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by moving too far to the left? that's today's survey question at smerconish.com in order to appease the most vocal activists in the party. are its presidential candidates moving too far in the left to win in the general election against president trump? you know it's an old adage to get nominated you move to the edge, to win you move to the center. but early in this cycle there are signs democrats might be moving too far. consider on thursday night joe biden changed the position he's held for four decades. biden said he would no longer

support the hyde amendment which bans the use -- his change came after his prior view was hammered by his opponents who participated his prior position in extreme terms. cory booker said he regarded the hyde amendment on an assault for african-american women and maybe that gave biden a push. maybe he could not risk alienating, while the new biden position will play well in primary season, the most recent polling most americans, 58%, they liked his prior view. and abortion is not the only example of where the party risks running too far to the left. impeachment, outsz the buzzword of the day for many democratic activists. and house judiciary chair injureinjurjersey

nadler has been pushing nancy pelosi. where it takes 21 of 24 house judiciary dems to refer impeachment to the floor. only 13 are so far publicly onboard. still, 11 democratic presidential candidates have called for the impeachment of president trump including elizabeth warren, kamala harris and beto o'rourke. but the polling suggests this is not where a majority of americans stand. a recent cnn poll found that 41% of americans believe that president trump should be impeached or removed from office, but 54% say he should not. 5% had no opinion. last weekend at a gathering of california democrats former colorado governor john hick hickenlooper was booed after warning attendees the party should not embrace socialism. >> we want to beat donald trump and achieve big progressive goals, then socialism is not the

answer. i was re-elected -- >> here again socialism might no longer be taboo at the dnc, but among all americans a majority remain opposed. a gallop poll from april showed that while in 4 in 10 americans embrace some form of socialism, and that's an increase from the last century, still 51% believe socialism would be a bad thing for the country. and then there's health care. you can add medicare for all, impeachment, the green new deal. but are americans ready to replace all of private insurance? when congressman john delaney tried to distinguish when speaking to california democrats he too was booed. >> medicare for all may sound good, but it's actually not good

policy, nor is it good paolitic. i'm telling you -- >> hearing that rising democratic star alexandria ocasio-cortez told delaney via twitter it was time for him, to quote, sachet away. he'll join me in just a moment. but go to my website at smerconish.com and answer my survey question. are the loudest voices drowning out the more reasonable ones? joining me now former maryland congressman john delaney. thanks for being here. what's your answer to my survey question sphis the party shifting too far to the left to win a general against donald trump? >> i think if we embrace some of these policies the answer is yes. i think if we're a party embracing the single payer medicare for all bill, for example, i think the answer is yes. i think what we should be striving to do as democrats is

build a big tent party and that theed moderates and even disaffected republicans can get behind. that's the way we win in 2020. >> you had to know going into that you were about to say something that would by very unpopular in that room. what was your mind-set? >> i was trying to tell the truth. i believe medicare for all in the single payer form is bad policy and bad politics, and someone has to have the guts to step forward and say that. because if we continue down this path and put forth a nominee who's running on forcing 150 million americans to change their health insurance and go to a new government plan, we know that's not popular. right, that's half the country that medicare for all is going to make their health insurance

illegal. right, and almost 70% of those like their health insurance and we're forcing them to go on a new government plan. they're not going to like that. we're not going to win any elections. it's also really bad policy. medicare doesn't pay enough. study after study shows if medicare paid all the bills in this country, hospitals would close everywhere and all this progress we're about to make with innovation and potentially cure cancer and alzheimer's and things like this in a couple of decades, which i think we can do based on all the amazing progress happening in health care innovation, i think that will all stop. so i think this medicare for all bill is a disaster and we should drop it, and we should embrace a form of universal health care like i've proposed called better care which gives every single american health care as a right. it's the biggest expansion of government health care since the creation of medicare. but what it doesn't do is make private insurance illegal, so it allows the american people to do what they like, which is have

choices. and someone should step forward and tell the democratic party the truth, and that's really what my campaign is about. >> i bet there are people watching this right now and saying, faeb favorably saying they like what john delaney has to offer but question are you running in the right party. >> i'm definitely running in the right party. listen, i believe like most democrats that health care should be a right for every american. right, in a civilized society as wealthy as we are, with all the money we spend on health care, we can absolutely afford to end the tragedy of uninsured americans, and that's what i believe the democratic party should stand for. but we should be the party of addition, meaning we have a problem with a bunch of americans uninsurd and we should solve that problem. this medicare for all bill is the politics of substraction. it's forcing have the country to give up their health insurance and a lot of them like it. that doesn't make any sense. i served in the congress and watched republicans try to

repeal the affordable care act 60 times. the affordable care act in my judgment was an incredibly important step forward. so republicans don't support this notion of people having health care. i do, democrats do, i'm in the right party. but my party if it goes down this path of single payer medicare for all, i just think that's a disaster. >> let me ask you about a related slk. yc i have video of vice president biden from thursday night. >> i can no longer support an amendment that makes that right dependent on someone's zip code. >> plays well among democrats and activists, but the polling i've looked at says that is out of position, out of step with a majority of americans. is that an example of what we're talking about, and how do you feel about that issue? >> listen, i think the majority of americans are pro-choice. and they support roe v. wade as the law of the land, as do i.

we support a woman's right to make these decisions about her own baud aconsistent with roe v. wade. the hyde amendment is something that has gotten in the way of that as it relates to certain women and their ability to get health care. so i think this hyde amendment issue lines up with where people are ultimately around the question of choice and roe v. wade. so i think the vice president, you know, finally moved to the right spot on this. >> okay, so you're of the same mind-set -- final question, what do you say to a person who might be pro-choice but recognizes there's some fundamental unfairness to forcing a taxpayer dollar from a pro-life person pay for an abortion? >> look, i think there's a lot of things that the federal government does, and not every single citizen agrees with everything the federal government does in every respect. so i just think we've got to go

back to this notion that roe v. wade is the law of the land. and in my opinion it should be defended and supported. the majority of the american people and a comfortable majority, actually, support that. and so i just think we should have policies that reflect that position, which is where a majority of the american people are. >> thank you, congressman. appreciate you being here. >> thank you, michael. >> what are your thoughts? tweet me at smerconish. go to my facebook page. catherine, what do we have from twitter? smerconish, i would prefer a moderate democratic party but given how trump was able to gin up a rabid base on the right, could someone do the same on the left? michael, you put your finger on the real issue. it is passion, passion especially drives the nomination process. so these 23 democrats are seeking to draw on the passion of the base of the party. and that is probably why you see

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hopefully by police gunfire. or effthese muslim -- well you can read it. bad in any situation. what f told you all of those inflammatory words were posted by current or former police officers in phoenix and philadelphia, in soount lewis but just a sampling of a new study called the plain view project of officers using social media and 3,500 current or former officers in eight jurisdictions of various sizes and geographic areas and found posts that inappear to endorse violence by officers or members of the public. show bias against majority groups, use dehumanizing language calling protesters or people of color savages, and the attitude went beyond mere words. a deeper dive of officers here in philly where one third found

those have been subject of civil rights complaints. here in philadelphia ten officer whose appear to be have engaged in explicit bias have been placed on desk duty. i'm wondering what are the first amendment rights of the affected police officers? joining me now is dachb vid hud. he's a first amendment scholar. professor, those who did the investigation are trying to determine do the posts erode public trust in policing? and i noticed the police commissioner here in philly, here what he said he's wondering. when does a police officer's expression of his opinion erode the police department's ability to do its job and maintain the public's trust? in those circumstances the department is permitted to act. in other words, at what point can a police officer be din

disciplined for his or her speech? >> well, the standard developed by the united states supreme court is allow the public to speak on matters of concern -- >> what's that mean? >> what it means is that public employees do not lose all their free speech rights simply because they accept public employment and they do have the right to speak out on matters of speech and offer their opinion. where it crosses the line is where the police department can show that it has a tangible negative impact and disrupts close working relationships and harms community relationships with the police. >> let me click through a couple of examples and have you react. catherine, put up the first one. how many cops does it take to throw a pedophile down the stairs? none, he fell. is that a joke?

is that something we should worry about as a society? is that protected speech? >> i think it depends on the context. right, one random post read in context, it may simply be rhetorical hi,ly, a jest. i'd obviously look into it and be concerned about it. but i'm not going to go so far to say the officer doesn't have any free speech rights. >> how about this? it's a good day for a choke hold? >> again, i would speak to the officer. i would want to determine whether that's just one isolated post or does that officer have a history of excessive force complaints, or has that officer been accused of police brutality? i'm not going to go so far as to say that's not protected speech. >> i hope this piece of s is dealt with street justice or just plain karma quickly. hopefully dead by police

gunfire. are they getting progressively worse as i'm showing them to you now? >> they're definitely getting progressively worse. that one where you're advocating police violence against a suspect, i would think the police department would have a good argument that would not be constitutionally protected. >> if the confederate flag is racist, then so is black history month. >> well, at the very least that officer should be sent to diversity training and sensitivity training. again, i think a lot of this also depends upon whether the officer is posting on his private facebook page, and is there any indication that the officer indicates that he or she is a police officer or not. that does make a difference in the calculus. >> one more. so it's a slide pertaining to islam, and it sort of mocks islam as a religion of piece because i know the print is small, professor. but on the left side are all

instances of terror perpetrated by muslims. so what is your thought on that? >> i would be troubled by it because there are a certain number of muslims that would be in the community and the police officer would be responsive to serve and protect all members of the community. if i was defending the officer i would try to argue that that was a form of political speech and that should be protected. >> you know that there's a -- i've read in on this and paid particular attention to the comments including those supportive of law enforcement, and there's a mind-set that says, look, these are jokes. these are cops being cops. this is them essentially conveying through their social media feeds that they've got one anothers back, and society need not be concerned by the speech even if at first blush it seems provocative, offensive or even racist. >> i think it's important to recognize this. i mean there have been many instances of allegations of bias

by police officers, and it's important for society to care about this. i just hope in the push to care about this that we do not reach a point where officers lose all of their free speech protections. >> i think that's the right balancing act. let me just say in closing i interviewed the woman who was the catalyst for doing this work on my radio program. and something that she told me i thought, maybe, okay so they pulled out a half-dozen, an unrepresentative sample. but she told me in philadelphia they looked at the facebook pages of 1,000 cops and had 330 that had troublesome messages. that's a pretty high ratio. you get the final thought. >> well, i think we need more training for police officers. they certainly need to recognize whenever they post something on facebook that the world is watching. and when you are in the public eye, and when you make statements that might be perceived as bias or discriminatory that's a real

problem because your job is to serve and protect the entire community. >> professor hudson, i appreciate your time. >> thanks so much for having me. >> more from social media, tweets and facebook comments. this came from facebook. people in positions of authority ought not to have such views, but we can't chemothem from expressing. luckily free speech is not free of consequences. kind of lets us know who needs to find a new line of work. yie reaction is to say while others are debating the relative merit, provocative nature, racist content of these things and i look at it by saying this person doesn't strike me as being smart enough to hold that job if they think it's appropriate to put that viewpoint out in the public domain when they wear a uniform for a living. that's what troubles me. up ahead he made history with an economic idea scribbled on the back of a napkin, and now being awarded the presidential award of freedom.

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the tax cuts would pay for themselves by stimulating growth. wrote a book called trumpnomics which the president reviewed as quote-unquote incredible on twitter. but america's debt has ballooned to $22 trillion. he joins me now. so elvis, tiger woods and now you? >> i guess so. it's amazing, isn't it? >> look, this is it most anticipated question. you must have an answer ready for it. why if the tax cuts will pay for themselves are we having such problems with the debt and deficit? "the washington post," put it up on the screen, the deficit grew 77% in the first four months of fiscal 2019 compare would the same period one year before. it doesn't seem to be working out according to the napkin. >> yeah, that's just not true. what they may be looking at are

cash flow, cash payments. but since the tax bill was passed on december 22, 2017, revenues are way up. i mean that's what the curve talks to. we've had a very strong economic growth, good employment growth, way above what people expected and the revenues are doing just fine. i don't know what "the washington post" is talking about, but i wish they'd call me. i could take them through the actual numbers and straighten them out. >> but they're not alone. the congressional research service, the l.a. times, crs finds the cuts have had virtually no effect on wages, that's one. haven't contributed to a surge in investment, two. and haven't even come close to paying for themselves, nor have they delivered a cut to the average taxpayer. does the congressional research service have it wrong? >> yes, they do. they say the economic growth was going to be 3 plus percent in spite of the tax cuts which is just plain not true. i had a debate with jason in new

york where he laid out what their view of growth would be, and it would be 1.5 to 2% growth. this was in 2017 when the tax bills were passed. and when we looked at what happened i thought it would be more like 3%. 3% is a lot of growth, michael. if you take the gdp as being about $20 trillion, every 1% adds 2 billion per year. you take the average tax rates on that and you get very nice numbers. you get the minorities, the poor, the disenfranchised, all of a sudden they're getting jobs they wouldn't otherwise have had. michael, this tax bill has been extremely good for the economy and good especially for the poor, the minorities and the disenfranchised. it's nothing like what they said

before the tax bill passed. >> how about those educated white guys in those midwestern west bellish states largely responsible for the president's victory in the last cycle? they haven't seen wages increased. they haven't gotten a piece of the tax cut, have they? won't that be a problem for the president next cycle when they're looking for their piece? >> it may be. and i can't judge the politics of it. that's not my gig. but the median wage doesn't grow very much because you have all these low ifcome people coming back into the labor force, which is wonderful for them, wonderful for us. but what it does do is put a damper on the median wage growth. these growth rates of wages are just fine especially when you realize we're having no inflation whatsoever. interest rates, our ten year yield is down a little above 10%. this is just an amazing economy. the stock market, i mean when you showed that $22 trillion

debt number, that's such a phony number. you've got to net out intragovernmental debt, $16 trillion which is still a big number. but then you've got to compare it. you want to compare it to that debt compared to wealth or debt service compared to gdp. when you look at debt to wealth, we've had an increase in wealth in this country. the federal reserve numbers, an inkrooes in wealthnist first quarter, almost $5 trillion increase and swamping any increase in debt you could look at. you know, from my standpoint i'm much happier when an economy goes pro-growth and the wealth of the country rises rather than lowering debt on the backs of the poor, unemployed and disenfranchised. that makes no sense yet they talk about it all the time. >> final question, i asked you on a previous visit here how long would it take for the tax cuts to pay for themselves and you told me three to four years.

is that still your answer and do you believe we're on track? >> i think we're not only on track but far taster on track. i mean, just in the last quarter of 2017 the bill passed december 22nd, they recalled because of the tax bill so much profits were repatriated to the u.s., they reported $250 billion in additional revenue from repatriated profits from abroad. and since then you've had very nice growth as well. i think the revenue numbers have pretty much paid for themselves already. now i'm glad to go through this with anyone in detailed analysis, but they have. and i'm very proud of the tax bill. i think it's done a great job. and, you know, i've got to tell you i think this administration that passed it just phenomenal.

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one in washington. some say e-scooters have also become a headache for many cities across the country. critics say the discarded scooters are an eyesore on city streets while also pointing to safety concerns. at least eight deaths and 1,500 injuries have been tied to e-t scooters since the fall of 2017. in some cities the e-scooter craze has been met with a swift backlash. most big cities have them. and other cities like nashville now considering banning them. the mayor of nashville sent a letter to e-scooter companies demanding they address safety concerns after a 26-year-old rider died from making an improper turn and being struck by a vehicle in may. mayor, i was just in your town. by the way, love nashville.

i saw them all over the place. what has been your experience? >> well, like many cities akausz the country someone comes up with a platform or app that changes life in our city. we had it with short-term rentals and ride sharing and now with scooters we've really seen the same thing happen. we have over 4,000 here in washington, and they're clogging our sidewalks. they are fun. i think people enjoy them. we have a lot of tourists coming to nashville. but on balance i think we're seeing the risks and consequences of having scooters far autweigh the benefits. we have lots of folks falling and having traumatic brain injuries. we've had one death in nashville. and we get a lot of complaints from people who have to use a sidewalk to get around. and if you've got 50 of them blocking your path every morning and using a wheelchair, that is an imp position we can't tolerate here in nashville. >> by the same token they are so

convenient and energy efficient. i was going to the same location as my son recently. i took an uber, it took me 26 minutes and cost me $20. my son took a scooter and it cost him $40. >> that's true. and it's convenient. there are some risks associated, too. what we're seeing a lot of people leaving bars are hopping on them when the judgment is not great. very convenient for them to do it, and the consequences have been deadly in our town as a result of that convenience. i don't think that in the end we will be without scooters, electric scooters. but i think the companies are going to have to come up with a regulatory scheme that works. we probably need a way for everybody to have access to a helmet before they hop on and probably need to have a physical location where you pick them up and drop them off. and if the business is as lucrative as it seems i think the companies are going to find a way to come up with a better

sense of regulation here in nashville so that they can stay but not have the big negative impact that they're having on our city. i think that's the sense of where we want to go ipnashville. we want to be open to innovation, but we also want to make sure that innovation that is through the result of an app developed somewhere else in the world that if filtrates our city doesn't have such a bad consequence for folks who are trying to get around our city. >> have you been on one, and what has been your own experience? >> well, my nickname as a child was grace, so i'm not the right person to be an an electric scooter. so, no, i have not gotten on one. >> my wife does not allow me to use power tools at home, so i was out of town when i finally got on one in washington, not in your great city. mayor, we have a lot of reaction by social media coming into this. this is real hot button subject.

okay, scooter equals darwinism at its best says michael. your reaction, mayor? >> well, people are responsible for their own decisions to hop on one. but government has some obligation, i think, to set parameters for using these new instruments in our city. we have tons, we have millions of tourists coming to nashville and we do not want to have an environment tourists coming to have a good time are exposed to risks they don't need to have. >> i candidly don't know how you can ride a scooter with the potholes we have in this town. you don't have to deal with that ipnashville the way we do, but they will eat up a scooter. >> well, they are dangerous in the sense they have a pretty small front wheel, and i have a friend who hit a little divot in the pavement and went across the handlebars and lost his two front teeth. so even in nashville we have

instances where people using them have been injured pretty quickly as a result of just a normal street that you're riding on. so, you know, i'd love to see them fit i live about a mile from my office and i've got a lot of neighbors who like to use them to get to and from downtown to work every day. it can fit in, i think, as part of the overall transportation network we have but the way it is operating in nashville right now we just have too much risk associated with it. we're a city that was built around the car and so we still don't have the biking infrastructure that would help us with e-scooters. we don't have greenways where folks can get around. we have work to do in the core of our city to make it more pedestrian and bike friendly. and in that context maybe they can come back and grow. but as it stands we have a lot of folks using these e-scooters

on streets where folks are driving 35 to 40 miles an hour. and the risks associated with that are just really high. the young man who died was on such a street. he made a snap judgment and the driver of the car that hit him just didn't have a chance to react quickly enough, i believe. >> i hope -- >> yes, sir. >> i hope there's a middle road here you would pursue. i would hate to see them completely banned. i do understand the concerns that you have raised. mayor, thanks so much for being here. >> thank you, thank you. >> mayor briley from nashville. three guests from nashville in the span of an hour today. coming up, more social media reaction and we'll give you the final results of the survey question. please go vote at smerconish.com. are democrats snatched from the feet of the jaws of victory by moving too far to the left?

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not be right. i'm just trying to call attention to the fact that where we always see this tethering to the left or the republican side, the tethering to the right in primary season they all come back to the middle as we head toward a general. but this time i think d's need to be concerned that they're not snaking ground that's too far over to come back and win middle america. one more if i have time for it. smerconish, hard core trumpers. the candidate who wins the middle. larry, that's always the case. that's why i pay so much attention to it here every week on cnn. in two weeks i'll be in denver for the american life in columns tour, june 23rd. catch up thinktime at cnn go and on demand. see you next week.

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