it and the international community felt they were doing it but it wasn't until the u.s. was able to have overhead cameras. i believe it was on a helicopter actually showing an iranian boat putting those mines into the water that we then had the proof that we took to the united nations that caused us to take action. >> commander, appreciate talking to you. thank you. i want to hand it over to chris for cuomo primetime. >> thank you, anderson. welcome to primetime. the president opened the door for russia to mess with our next election and that gives our first guest a bad case of deja vu. he's andrew mccabe. he took over for the fbi when comey was fired. he launched the instruction and counter intelligence investigations into the president. remember why? fearing he could be a russian asset. how does he weigh the president's latest words and what does he think russia could try next if we do nothing to harden the election? and that was mueller's most pressing warning.

fix the system. this will happen again. why has congress done almost nothing about it? is the senate's majority leader intentionally trying to let russia interfere again? if not, why does he do nothing? we're going to pull back the curtain on mitch mcconnell. and the curtain is about to drop on sarah sanders. the government watchdog calls for the firing of the president's most effective mouth piece, kellyanne dconway. tough day for the president. who will be left around him? let's get after it. >> the head of the federal election commission just delivered a scathing rebuke to president trump. this is new. here's the quote. let me make something 100% clear, it is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a u.s. election.

she also put out a tweet saying, quote, i would not have thought that i needed to say this. former acting fbi director andrew mccabe says the latest comments from the president reaffirm what raised red flags for him back in 2017. he is the author of the threat. how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump. good to have you back. >> thanks, chris, good to be here. >> so, andrew, there is a big division between what the president and his people want the message to be. the president says it's okay to take information. rudy giuliani says it's okay to take information from the russians. jared kushner says i don't know if i got solicited again for information from the russians if i would tell the fbi. what is the line for you and why do you believe they deal with it this way? >> chris, the line for me, the

line for investigators and experienced people in politics, the line is clear, it is not acceptable to take anything from a foreign power. certainly not a hostile foreign power. certainly not russia. the reason we have this is the importance of keeping foreign influence out of our elections. so when the president gets on television last night and tells the world that he thinks it's perfectly fine to sit down with foreign agents, to sit down with representatives, possibly even from russia to hear what they have to say and to receive what they are offering is just absolutely wrong. the president and his supporters are wrong about that. >> now, we have to assume they know what the law is. >> he got a pass from mueller

because he could prove that he was breaking the law. but why do you think they flout what is a pretty obvious standard? >> i don't know if i can answer that for you chris. it did seem to me as i listen to the president's comments last night that what we are witnessing is another example of the president's efforts to try to normalize his own behavior. to try to normalize his departure from precedent and in this case possibly violations of law. he does that by tossing off these comments in an offhanded way. and phrases like okay everybody does it. it's clearly not okay. we heard that from the federal election commission leadership today and it's well within the understanding of anybody that's ever been involved in this business. it's just not something that you

do because the stakes are so high. >> you shouldn't have russians giving you anything and shouldn't have been there the way clinton did. do you see these as analogs? >> there's no equivalence between the two examples. to openly invite foreign intelligence officers representatives from a hostile foreign government to steal information, to acquire opposition research in anyway, any illegal way they might do that is one thing. for a campaign to hire a law firm, an american law firm that then turns around and hires an american research company that then contracts out with a foreign individual, that is not illegal. campaigns are allowed to hire individuals, foreign individuals and to pay those individuals for the services that they provide

and it would add too chris that the example of the clinton campaign it is that very foreign individual that stepped forward and provided the information he had collected to the fbi because he was so troubled by what he was seeing. it's odd that a foreign individual involved in the campaign process was familiar enough with the threat and with the concerns that that information posed that he stepped forward and provide it to the fbi and not something obviously that the president and his staff would be willing to do. >> let me ask you something, if it happens again, god forbid and we see proof that it was once again designed to help the trump campaign, do you have any concerns about whether this attorney general and this doj leadership would even open an investigation if it was going to be into the president? >> that's a great question, chris. i don't have any concerns that the men and women of the fbi and

the folks that watch russia every single day and spend their careers trying to hold back russian aggression, information that indicates that an investigation should be pursued whether or not the leadership of the justice department would support an investigation like that right now or in the future is a very good question. i hope we don't have to find out the answer to that question but from all indications from the lack of activity that congress and others have focused on protecting our election systems, it is, i think, the future for our elections and the possibility of foreign influence and foreign meddling is one that we better start confronting in a serious way. >> we are told that the a.g. wants to investigate the investigato investigators. do you have anything that you

regret? and what do you think the chances are that in that investigation, people at the top, let's say somebody else, not you, did things that they should not have done or did them in a way they should not have done them. what do you think the chances are that comes up? >> i'd be very surprised to hear anything about that coming from the actions of the fbi. i'm familiar with those actions and decisions. i wouldn't make any of the decisions i made any differently and we have been down this road before. we have been under investigation about the events of the russian investigation and of course the clinton e-mail investigation since january of 2017 and so far, the efforts of the i.g. and others that have looked into it have found repeatedly no indication of bias, no indication of improper considerations so i would be

surprised to hear anything different coming from this. >> you're working as counsel for congress now and they come to you and say what's your opinion on this. should we impeach or not? do you think we have what we need? because they're looking at it through a political lenses of consequence more than anything else. do you believe an impeachment inquiry is warranted based on what you understand and what has come out of the mueller report? >> absolutely. chris, i'm not a political person. my business is investigation, evidence and finding information and exposing that information when the american public has the right to know it. we are clearly there with the results of the special counsel team. there's so many witnesses that

could provide important essential testimony to congress that can only be done in the scope of an impeachment inquiry. i think that action should be taken immediately and i think people should finally hear for themselves exactly what those witnesses have to say. whether or not that results in articles of impeachment and trial in the senate and all of those sorts of things is beside the point. i think the american people have a right to hear from the witnesses and understand exactly what actions the president engaged in and they have the opportunity to factor that information into their decisions, their voting decisions, whatever that might be going forward. the time has come to get that information out. >> andrew mccabe, thank you very much. as we understand more and we need more understanding, i welcome you back on the show. thank you, sir. >> so this is getting complicated in terms of figuring out how to stop russia. the president is making it more complicated but it's not just

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those in the business of figuring out what happens next all believes it will happen again. it deserves so much attention that mueller put it on page one of his report. the fbi, cia and barr and the president's secretary of state. the national security adviser. they all agree and yet stopping the interference seems to be no one's priority. democrats in congress. they have some 30 active investigations underway. all are about the president in one way or another. there's so many we had to build it on a scroll to list them all. this is in addition to the attorney general' investigation of the investigators and his own

inspector general's investigation of the same thing. punishment for what was done in 2017. the administration slow walked those but they didn't really make it harder to interfere the next time. there's been nothing. we don't even have the social media folks on board with a set of parameters for all to follow or else. there's not even a real plan that we know about to harden the ballot infrastructure. how when you know they want to do it again. but it doesn't mean that everybody is sitting on their

hands. senator mitch mcconnell would have you believe that everything is already okay. >> efforts across the federal government in 2018. we were ready. >> were we? >> nothing to see here attitude is a recurring theme for mr. mcconnell. you remember when he wanted to go public with russian meddling before the election. you were the president. it's your administration. but he went to mcconnell to make it a joint effort and he reportedly refused to make it a bipartisan message. that would wind up motivating a poor decision to keep it quite anyway. the bigger question is why does he walk? he claims first amendment when he called for exposure but even stand alone measures have gone nowhere. the answer may simply be because he and his side benefitted in

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the hatch act by disparaging democratic presidential candidates while speaking if her official capacity during television interviews and on social media. the osc is now calling for her removal. right line of action. >> here's another trump administration official that doesn't care about the law and brazenly violates the law and in fact, look, she is violating the hatch act and she did it repeatedly. this is a criminal cartel. his former campaign manager is a criminal. his former personal attorney is a criminal and now kellyanne conway and of course the fish rots from the head down.

before we get into the -- >> spare me that for a second. caylee, why doesn't she just say what castro said and what kathleen said. all right. i see what you don't want me to do. i won't do it anymore. thank you for pointing it out. let's move on. they didn't have any action recommended against them. this isn't an obama person. this person was appointed by this president. why doesn't kellyanne or the president say she won't do this anymore? >> it's politically motivated. this 17 page memo was given to the white house at 5:00 p.m. on may 29th. they were given until 9:00 a.m. to respond, the very next day and you see it says it must be narrowly construed and expressly prohibited for it to be a

violation. and where was the recommendation that josh earnest be fired. >> you had two different cabinet officials called out. this is president trump's special counsel. he appointed this person. how can it be politically motivated against him when it's his person. >> when you're giving it at 5:00 instead of a response at 9:00 a.m. >> she did it. it wasn't just on social media. as the office of special counsel pointed out repeatedly and brazen. are you ever going to say hey we're going to follow the law? you guys break the law nonstop and claim you're in favor of the rule of law. >> really? straight from the mouth of someone that can't get over the 2016 election who ignores the mass violation and criminal activity of the obama

administration, the warrant used to spy on the trump campaign, the perjury of andy mccain. >> deflection. >> you completely ignore the obama administration and you can't get over the 2016 so you say criminal cartel with no facts and baseless accusations. >> i told you the facts. >> we have three law degrees here. you can push back and say everybody is bad. the problem is that you represent the current administration and you want to talk about andrew mccabe, i just had him on fine. those are allegations. he denies them. i know you would respect that because you say it all the time about this president. that takes us to the next topic. what he said he would be okay doing all three of us know you're not supposed to do. the law about not taking

anything of value from a foreign person, forget about that is clear. why doesn't he own that he gave an indication of something that shouldn't be done? >> number one, i'd say the president said i'd likely go to the fbi and listen to the information. >> but you can't do both. >> you can't do the wrong thing and the right thing. >> follow two it literally says there's no judicial opinion saying a thing of value is opposition research and finally the ultimate point is no one cares about the steal dossier a foreign spy paid by the clinton campaign. >> you get the legal analysis. they paid steel. he didn't give them anything. it has to be a contribution. not an expenditure and mueller said this type of information,

in the report, can be construed as value. one was a real pass. one was i don't think this was that value. it has to be at least $2,000. the other one was i think the guy was too dumb to know he was breaking the law and i think he gave him a break on that. if these comments had come up before don junior would have been in trouble. if he said i shouldn't have said it that way, we're going to blow it up. we want no part of that, we don't need it to win. >> the reason he never admits to any faults even though they're obvious and brazen is he's incredibly weak and insecure. so a strong and competent person knows when they did something wrong and says it. the reason donald trump said i never go to the fbi is he's a lifelong criminal. >> he never said that. >> no we can go over the quote. he said my whole life i haven't

gone to the fbi. >> but he said i think i would do both. i would listen and then maybe i'd go to the fbi and then to be fair, after that he contradicts it and says people don't go to the fbi. congress does this all the time. >> he said first i would break the law. that's not true, yes. so once he receives that information he's already broken the law. it's like saying i would rob the bank and then i would go to the police and tell them i robbed the bank. well you still go to jail. >> since you're obsessed with criminal or are you cared for about the dnc or just not that it's the dnc. >> do you know what you like to do?

deflection. >> right, didn't think so. >> you're attacking people not in government right now. >> not in government -- >> not in power. we're talking about the president of the united states of america who said in the past that maybe working with law enforcement is illegal. >> you're deflecting. dnc. you don't care. >> he went on national tv and said you shouldn't work with the fbi. i never worked with the fbi. the fbi director says this is criminal activity. he says i think the fbi is wrong. do you know who says that? criminals say that. i thought you believed in a rule of law. >> you don't care about a russian official that gave information to the dnc. >> it doesn't fit the definition of the statute. >> so it's better that if you buy it than receive it. >> that's the point of the law. if you were going to say that they did something fraudulent

and they bought fake information and they had something made up on purpose, fine, that's one case. but if you want to fit it into this area, you have to show that a foreigner provided value. you don't have it. >> you're saying it's better to pay for russian misinformation than listen to a foreign power and also inform the fbi. i would argue that paying for russian misinformation is pretty bad. >> you can argue it but one you're assuming it's misinformation and two you're arguing that the law says something that it doesn't. >> it's salacious and unverified. >> i have to leave it there. >> chris, listen. >> make a final point and then have to go. >> final point is, look at what she is trying to do, shift a debate. we're talking about how the president of the united states said you shouldn't work with the fbi and she is going squirrel. >> providing an anlage that you can't answer for. you have no counter argument. >> law breaking by the president. nancy pelosi, do something about

it. >> we're going to take that. but this is also something that i'll focus on in the closing. you don't have to be a big shot lawyer to know this one. thank you for making the argument. >> great to join you guys. >> appreciate it. >> an assault on our democracy. jake is saying pelosi should do something about it. especially if she's going to call it that. that's what she said. this is the latest of a string of really heavy condemnation of the president. what am i missing? i have the head of the democratic party here to set me straight. next. carvana is six years old this year

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congress? nowhere in the constitution does it say if popular then do this. even nancy pelosi keeps saying things clearly in line with what would require that duty. >> well, chris, i had the privilege of working at the justice department for over a decade and i prosecuted a lot of obstruction cases. and i know the statutes pretty well. what you have to do is gather the facts. i understand the sense of urgency that people feel. this is the most dangerous president in american history. there's such a mountain of serious allegations and then you have the president today or yesterday saying i didn't accept more help from a foreign adversary but you have to gather the facts and frequently the subjects were obstructing.

they made it really hard. they put up road blocks and they didn't comply with subpoenas and you can't just throw up your arms and say well i'm going to go ahead and indict or move forward. you have to work through it. there's been at least two court cases where we have won recently and that's exactly what we have to do seasoned it's important to remember also chris that there's a five year statute of limitations on these statutes and some of them actually could go possibly longer. and what we also know is the only way to defeat this -- to remove this president is going to be at the ballot box. but we're operating on two tracks here. >> here's my push back. you wear both hats. you understand the politics well and you worked at the doj. two, it is not the job of congress to beat the president at the ballot box. that is a decision for the

american people. what they want and what they don't want. their job is to follow their duty. you know this. everything that you're describing about amassing the facts, that's what an impeachment inquiry is. i didn't say to impeach the president. i didn't say to bring articles of impeachment. they'll have to figure out if they have it but they're being stimied because they're not at maximum power. either you say look, they're stalling us. we know what he is. we know what he did. let's justice take it to the election, our candidates will make the case or go all in. that's my criticism. >> i don't see it as binary because i have been involved in a lot of these investigations and they take time. i used to have so many frustrated stakeholders because we were methodical. you open up one door and realize there's four more doors that you have to go through and that's exactly what the chairs of the relevant committees are doing. it isn't easy and it's not fast

because they're having to go to court a lot and they're going to win the court cases. >> in time. but i don't want to beat this to death. i want you take on something else. bill maher on the show. blew up twitter. blew up social media. i want to play one piece for you and get your take. >> some of them are -- i don't know even know why they're running. i've asked them. i'm like why you? right off the bat we're stumped. >> he said two things i wanted your take on. one is there's too many people and what president obama once said about the republicans is their firing squad is going to turn into a circular one and that's no good for the democrats. the other one is they have to be careful about political correctness because they wind up punishing their friends.

they wind up punishing people with them. too many and too much pc. do you agree with either? >> i don't think it's the role of the dnc chair to say there's too many or there's too few. i think we have spectacular candidates. my job is to make sure that everybody gets a fair opportunity to communicate their vision. we're moving through the debate cycle and in september we'll be raising the threshold. so they understand that you have to continue to make progress and what i think is exciting about this process is there's so many engaged people because these candidates all have a base of support and we have to play, what i call a long game here. if we're perceived as saying you shouldn't be in, then we're

going to be committing a lot of those that got us in trouble four years ago. so i firmly believe that we need to make sure that we give everybody an opportunity. i believe the definition of success is to make sure that all the candidates that don't make it to the mountain top believe and their supporters believe because it's true that they got a fair shake. >> would you ever think -- >> that way our nominee would sprint across the starting line. >> would you ever think about doing something different? let's say you still have let's say 10 that are doing some what well as you get close to convention time. would you ever think about talking to them and saying, listen, most of you, you don't have a shot. but what if we put together a slate where we work together as a party and people put together different cabinet parties and you would present as a team, here's the government we're going to bring in. this one is going to be this and this one is going to be that and it would be a number offal lenlted people that have been vetted by the voters in this

country like no other cabinet ever had before. is that even a possibility? >> there may be a time and a place in the spring when the field has narrowed to have conversations but what is important for viewers to understand is there's a number of factors that are going to result in the field narrowing with nothing from the dnc and that is, we're going to come up in the near future in order to run for president you need a fair amount of money. it's hard for 23 people to sustain a national campaign. we also have a very compressed schedule, chris. when people were voting in iowa, in early february they'll be getting their ballots in california for super tuesday.

>> there's no question. but that's not for me to say and that's not for me to say when. >> i think we have to play a much longer game here and understand that we have to give everybody that fair shake. but they're not known by them and the debate like the ones coming up in june and july, i'm looking forward to cnn in july. they could catch fire. >> we'll see what happens. appreciate you weighing in on what matters to our audience. thank you. >> all right. we'll take a quick break. sarah sanders is out.

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their words are often worse than the silence. senator graham of south carolina he forcefully says no, don't take information from a foreign government about your opponent. but then says this. >> i hope my democrat colleagues will be equally offended by the fact that this actually did happen in 2016 where a foreign agent was paid for by a political party to gather opposition research. >> if this president is bad hillary clinton must always be worse. but instead of just squeezing up your face and turning it off, let's unpack it. look at the law. very simple. do not have to be a lawyer to get it. it shall be unlawful for a northern national direct already oi indirectly to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value in connection with any election. so there needs to be a foreigner giving for free a thing of value in connection with an election. now listen again to what the

president said. >> there's nothing wrong with listening. if somebody called from a country, norway, we have information on your opponent, oh, i think i'd want to hear it. >> of course you'd want to hear it but you're not supposed to do but that is pretty much exactly what his son did. he was excited by a meeting in which he'd meet with russians who "offered to provide the trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate hillary." that was part of russia and its government's support for mr. trump. to which trump jr. responded if that's what you say -- if it's what you say i love it, especially later in the summer. just opposition research says potus. wrong says mr. mueller. there are reasonable arguments that the offered information would constitute a thing of value. two things saved this president's son. one, mueller found that the information itself wasn't that

valuable. $2,000 threshold for it to be a crime. two, it was unclear if junior knew he was breaking the law. he caught a break. but clinton doesn't need a break here because the steele dossier does not fit the felony. clinton's campaign lawyers contracted with an american oppo research company, fusion gps. they subcontracted with a former british spy christopher steele. that he was a foreigner doing this work is not prohibited. they paid him. he didn't give them anything for nothing, for free. campaign expenditure, not a campaign contribution. foreign sources that he used. we don't even know if they had any idea what the purpose was behind his requests and there is no indication they approached the campaign, let alone with anything of value, let alone for free. now, i lay this out because the farce needs to be exposed.

what the president said is wrong. what his son tried to do was wrong. that's probably why they lied about it and put out a false explanation. there is no need to try to mitigate the impact by casting blame on others. the energy should be on calling out what is wrong and then fixing the system. the right going quiet about this president is expected. but how can the senate not want to require people to report foreign solicitations? how can congress not be working together to harden the elections against known and expected future interference? they all agree, except this president, that russia did it, is doing it now, and wants to do more of it in the next election? and this environment, and with this attorney general, let's be honest, we don't even know for sure that if the russians did try to help his campaign again, do we even know that this

attorney general would allow an investigation? if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results, the definition of dereliction of duty is knowing that something is going to happen and it's going to be bad, and doing nothing to stop it and that's where we are. thank you for watching. cnn tonight with d. lemon starts right now. >> and that is where we are. imagine, just imagine, think about this, you have got the counsel to the president accused of violating the hatch act, a press secretary who's leaving, admitting she lied to the special counsel, hasn't had a press briefing in 94 days. you have the president of the united states saying it's okay, inviting foreign actors into our election, yes, i would look at it but also saying -- well, couching that, yes, well i would maybe call the fbi but who actually calls the fbi. i've never done it in