embrace the mischief. say "get pets tickets" into your x1 voice remote to see it in theaters. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. it is an important hour for 20 of the 24 democrats. there's a lottery right now to help determine the lineup for the first two presidential debates. plus, rising tensions with iran. president trump says the pentagon video leaves no doubt that iranian forces attacked two oil tankers from the gulf of oman. iran though denies any involvement. and a new spin from the president on accepting campaign help from foreign governments. that cleanup came in an morning interview that might leave his vice president a little disappointed. >> if mike pence runs for

president in 2024, does he have your automatic endorsement? >> well, it's far -- look, i love mike. we're running again, but, you know, you're talking about a long time. so you can't put me in that position, but i -- i certainly would give it very strong consideration. >> and we begin there. the president taking time on this, his 73rd birthday to phone a friend, "fox & friends" to be specific and it went on including a barang of presidential claims, on iran, north korea, his 2020 democratic rivals and on trade and immigration. many of those remark trademark trump and what trump said bent or broke the truth but the biggest effort trying to clean up a controversy of his own making. of course when he was prodded by his friends at friend whether he would call the fbi if he received information from his

rivals. >> if you don't look at it, how are you going to know if it's bad, of course you would give it to the fbi or report it to the attorney general or somebody like that. >> that last part there, of course, you would call the fbi is far different than what he told abc news. quote, i think i'd take it. i'd go maybe to the fbi is what the president said the other day. cleanup today, but still the president trying to make this all much ado about nothing, taking campaign help from a for power sill legal, but the president conflates it with leader to leader small talk. >> one thing that's different with the president, i had dinner with the queen. i had -- i met with the prime minister of the uk. i was with the head of france. i was with the head of all of these nations and i constantly talking to them, and, you know, that puts us -- we have many, many conversations, and i'm just thinking, gee, if they say we don't like your opponent, am i supposed to put, you know, the president of france, am i supposed to report him to the

fbi? >> with me this day to share their reporting and insights, katherine lies with "the wall street journal," cnn's manu raju and evan perez and lisa lehrer with the "new york times." i'm going to call that cleanup. you know, a little different tone. a different tone because he got blowback, because he was told by people, sir, what you said was ridiculous and reprehensible. what -- what's the different tone there? >> he certainly took criticism from both sides of the aisle yesterday. it was a lot of very harsh criticism coming from republicans, joanie ernst amongst them harsh words saying republicans cannot take this. we don't take this kind of help, so that's certainly obviously playing into this, and we've seen this before with the president. he walks something out and he walks something back, but for him as we've gotten past the, you know, the mueller investigation and he's looking to do his sort of campaign relaunch kickoff next week, it's just refocuses attention back on these questions about -- about

russia, about the 2016 election so that's, you know, if he's trying to turn the page none of this is open. >> he said this morning of course you would look at it, but he was tougher, if that's the right word or more committal to saying he would pick up the phone and call the fbi or his attorney general. let's just listen. he said it quite differently to abc. >> if foreigners, if russia, if china, if someone else offers you on an opponent, should they accept it or call the fbi? >> i think maybe you do both. you think you might want to listen. there's nothing wrong with listening. if somebody called from a country, norway, we have information on your opponent, oh, i think i would want to hear it. >> you would want that kind of interference in our election? >> it's not interference. they have information. i think i'd take it. if i thought there was wrong i think i'd go maybe to the fbi. >> look, i mean, we've -- >> we've lived this, but we also know that norway is a big threat to this country and wants to

influence our elections. >> and you're joking. >> a big threat. the president didn't offer a real exam. look, the fbi is going to enforce the law, and i think that that's one of the reasons why you haven't heard anything more than no comment from the fbi because, you know, one of the issues that i think we talked about this, one of the issues with the last investigation was that donald trump jr. and everybody else said, look, we didn't know what the law was. i think what's different about 2020 is everybody does know what the law is now. >> and that's why giuliani's things to get things out of ukraine was cancelled because they cannot say they don't know what the law is. they know what the law is and all of america now knows about this law, so the idea that this wouldn't be, you know, at least considered as some kind of criminal violation. >> and this is a classic trump response because he's taking both sides of the issue. he's not acknowledging anything is wrong, so if this comes up

again, he will say i did say i should go to the fbi. look what i said before, and, you know, and he'll attack anybody who criticizes what he said initially which was don't go to the fbi, that christopher wray was wrong. the president clearly was making that -- made an initial point because he did not want to suggest that they did anything inappropriate in 2016 when donald trump jr. did take that meeting because he would have acknowledged that they did something wrong and shouldn't have done that. that's why he dug in initially, and that's why he's facing blowback now. >> don trump jr. the host of the meeting in the 2016 election with russians who offered dirt on hillary clinton. the president, cnbc and fox news by telephone and the abc interview on cameras, look, the spapt go president is a good communicator for himself. it worked for him. a lot of people may roll their eyes.

a lot of people like me is going to say this part of what he said isn't true. this is abc news talking about his son don jr. >> not only wasn't he charged, if you read it with all of the horrible fake news, i mean, i was reading that my son was going to go to jail. this is a good young man, that he was going to go to jail. the report comes out and they didn't even say -- they hardly even talked about him. >> there's 155 at least mentions of donald trump jr. in the mueller report. 155. it talked about the meeting at the trump tower t.talked about direct messaging with wikileaks and a whole lost things that should not happen in american presidential campaigns and mueller said though that he did not have enough evidence to charge a conspiracy. he did not say it was all great. >> right. again, it goes to your intent, right and especially with campaign finance law you have to know that the law is there and that you're violating it in order for there to be a crime, and it's a standard. it's a tough standard to meet, and that's one.

reasons why we're still here talking about this and the president can sort of create his own narrative about exactly what happened. >> and that's why there's also the flare-up on the hill that's emerging because some democrats want to push to amend the campaign finance law to make it clear that foreign contributions are prohibited when it includes an opposition research, for instance, which would be considered an illegal contribution, polling data and the like. >> it's not opposition research. what the russians did was an attack on the u.s. political system. >> right. >> that was not opposition research. >> they are trying to do that to make the point that don jr. shouldn't have done what he did. >> they want to meeting -- that's part of what you do. you try to make friends in every organization. you try to get people into buses and people into the campaign so you have phone numbers and conley tacts. sorry to interrupt. >> but to katherine's point, if you're the white house and the president, why don't you just take the win on this. you've got the mueller report and you get the sense that he takes everything so personally. it's an attack on his family, and i love that his son is

young. that keeps us all young really. he's a young man and middle aged real, and it also -- and it also -- he sees everything as invalidating his election win, but we're in a new cycle, a new election cycle. >> or he thinks the rules don't apply to him had. i want to come back. we're playing more of the abc interview than the fox & friends interview and when he goes on abc he actually gets asked real questions and george stephanopoulos asked him in the conversation, in the mueller report it say, and it's not just don mcgahn and quotes several people who worked for the president, people loyal to the president, but when they have to -- they had to give testimony under oat they said the president wanted to get rid of the special counsel. >> i was never going to fire mueller. i never suggested fire mueller. >> that's what he said. >> i don't care what he says. it doesn't matter. that's to show everyone what a good counsel he was. >> why would he lie under oath? >> because he wanted to make himself look like a good lawyer

or -- or he believed it because i would constantly tell anybody that would listen, including you, including the media, that robert mueller was conflicted. robert mueller had a total conflict of interest. >> and had to go. >> i didn't say that. >> the president, i didn't say that. this is the mueller report reading directly from it. when the president called mcgahn a second time to follow up on the order to call the department of justice, mcgahn recalled that the president was more direct saying something like call rod are. tell rod mueller has conflicts and can't be the special counsel. mcmcgahn recalls him being told to say he has to go. and then trump says a white house counsel lied under oath. there are other people who talked about other examples of this, but they are all lying and the president is telling the truth. that's what we're to believe. >> i think that this is one of the most interesting tensions

and back stories that's still going on in washington. what does don mcgahn do when the support accuse him an ethical violation, right? his law firm is one of the biggest -- frankly gets one of the biggest clients is the republican party. the president, his re-election campaign, they are in a place where he has to sort of listen and do what the president wants which is to not abide by the subpoenas that have been issued, but at the same time he's under this pressure because he's being accused of lying and ethical violations. you notice that right about the time when don mcgahn was trying to decide whether or not to show up for that subpoena, the stories started floating that the republican party might cut off jones day law firm which is don mcgahn's law firm. >> the president did not agree to talk under oat about potential obstruction of justice. he answered legal questions about it. he can say one thing to an

interview and that's different what he would say under oath. >> don mcgahn was not a political adversary. he was the white house counsel for the president and he testified in detail for hours. >> hand a big reason for the president's success in getting judicial nominations. >> a key reason. >> and the president doesn't want anybody, whether you voted for him or not, he doesn't want you to read the mueller report because these are people who worked for him who even in their testimony to mueller made it clear they were loyal to the president, thought maybe the president didn't understand or their job was to push the president back and they painted a pretty damning picture and in his view they are lying and he's not and more on the conversation with forks & friends including the 2020 democrats who would like to kick him out of the white house. . and stay done. behr, ranked #1 in customer satisfaction with interior paints. great paint, new low price. starting at $24.98. exclusively at the home depot. new infallible fresh wearar foundation by l'oreal. with up to 24 hr wear.

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all. i think that's a joke. >> this is what he did to his republican rivals back in 2016. he would call in to news shows and go after lyin' ted and little marco and low energy jed. doing it now in this race. clearly he's been obsessing about biden lately. it sounded there that he was making a determined effort himself to broaden his criticism and not just focus on biden. >> classic trump playbook. digs in, comes up with the nicknames. loves calling in to friendly news networks like fox and giving his opinion where he thinks the state of play is. what's interesting about this interview is this is the first time we're hearing him start to attack some of the other candidates. it's not just about joe biden. i think that that is a recognition amongst trump and some of his allies that there could be other candidates like an elizabeth warren who seems to be doing better. she's sort of edging out bernie sanders in some of these polls, that he needs to make sure he's not putting all his eggs in one basket. >> it's proof that the president pays very close attention to this, and it's offensive to call

senator warren by the name he uses it. it's offensive and he bragged a couple of months ago that he thought he knocked her out of the race, but she is rising in some of these polls and is passing berngsds especially among liberal democrats. i don't know if sthae's going to take that as an attack or not. >> an attack from a democratic canned skate probably going to help the democratic candidate in the democratic primary. the question is how do some of these candidates respond and a lot of them have chosen not to take trump's bait and have decided to distinguish themselves from their rivals and by policy the way elizabeth warren has and in biden's case much different trying to show that he'll be the aggressive candidate going against trump toe to toe? the question is how did the voters ultimately respond if they want someone who biden says he can go after someone even if they may not agree with all of his policy positions if he's not liberal enough. >> i think one thing is just that for trump how much does

taking it to biden directly, you know, on his own sort of elevate that matchup at this point in time which can help biden. >> you might have noticed when they were out in the head-to-head in iowa or during the week. widen tried to get out early and went after trump. trump did take the bait and somewhat did respond and when he got to west des moines for his fund-raiser he did not talk about biden anymore. >> my understanding is they real depull him back a little bit making a broader argument against democrats. >> see that it sticks. >> the thing to remember with the president is certainly we know he's very engaged in this and is following this closely, but this is not necessarily fact--based analysis. we know when he's presented with polling numbers he doesn't like he shoves them aside and that's for numbers he will like. >> he doesn't believe in pollsters. >> they dig out the one number and two numbers that's

particularly good for him and while he may be earring in a way that's fairly president for a sitting president to knock around the opposing party's primary. clearly eager to do that. i'm not sure that's the best judge of the race or is even judging the race in a way that's necessarily particularly effective for his interests because he's not allowing himself to get an accurate picture of what this race is and he's basing it on what happened last time. >> we know, and there was great reporting in the "new york times." he had a campaign briefing, a lot of numbers were presented and a lot are not good at this point in the race and i'm told that the president was told these aren't good but it's okay. we have time. we have time to change the race like we did in 2016. we can win the race and any poll that shows him behind is made up. the polls i see we're doing great in pennsylvania, really good in pennsylvania, north carolina. florida i'm winning by a lot. iowa i'm winning a lot. i just left iowa we're winning

by a lot and every poll that i see and i have we're doing well. i think we'll do well in michigan. traditionally it's democrat and i won it last time. i was up in wisconsin recently. i think we'll do very well there. you know, i think -- i think we're going to do great. >> just for the record, this is public polling, not the president's internal polling. national poll, quinnipiac had vice president biden up 13 points and other democrats up two. we're focusing on the biggest margins here. michigan, biden was leading the president by 12 points. again, it's early. that's a fact. it's a reputable poll and pennsylvania, biden up 11 points over the president again. it's early. we saw state polling in 2016, and we saw the president have a very smart strategy to come back and win the white house and losing the popular vote electorally and those are facts. he wants everybody to believe if you see something negative about me just don't believe it. >> behind the scenes actually he might be expressing confidence but he's sent some of his campaign officials to places like pennsylvania to shore up

support because they are worried about states. >> it's also notable what he talked about, pennsylvania, michigan and those are states that he needs and those are states where he's going to have to win. >> and he's also running the last race. look, it may be a repeat, but you can talk to some democrats who say their path to victory may run through places like arizona, perhaps even texas which feels a little far-fetched, but they have the right candidate. i think that's not necessarily the best mindset. >> a lot of candidates invoke fear in this race to say we may lose this race and trump takes the opposite path. >> for now. >> for now. >> he'll be back in days saying, look, he's trying to rally his base. >> trump says a new video released by the pentagon makes it crystal clear that iran attacked the oil tankers in oman.

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i'd rather not. president trump today says there is no doubt that iran is responsible for attacks on two oil tankers in the gulf of oman. iran denies any involvement and says the u.s. administration cannot be trusted, but tehran has not specifically responded to this, a video released by the pentagon that the u.s. central command says shows an iranian naval vessel pulling alongside one of those tankers and removing an unexploded mine. >> well, iran did do it, and you know they did it because you saw

the boat. i guess one of the mines didn't explode, and it's probably got essentially iran written all over it. they are a nation of terror, and -- and they have changed a lot since i've been president, i can tell you. they were unstoppable and now they are in deep, deep trouble. you can't -- you can't -- they don't have -- >> how do you stop these outrageous acts where 30% of the world's oil comes from? >> we're going to see. >> we're going to seat president says. >> fred pleitgen is live in the capital and barbra starr joins us as well. iran says they had nothing to do with it. it's not directly addressed the release of this video. >> reporter: yeah, you're absolutely right. they haven't done that so far. looking at the semi-official farce news agency put out a report saying the u.s. narrative is wrong. they were quoting the owner of one of the ships saying the

owner has said the crew of the ship don't believe that the ship was hit by a mine but instead hit by a projectile. you're right. as far as the video is concerned. the iranians have not made any sort of statement as to whether or not it's valid or as to whether or not what connection can be seen on that video. however, what we're seeing is from iran's foreign ministry. they are throwing the ball back from the u.s. they say it's the americans fanning the flames here in the region. you're right. specifically taking aim at secretary of state mime pompeo and also just listening to president trump there saying that the iranians are in a lot of trouble. they certainly don't seem to believe that they are at this point in time. in fact today at friday prayers, the man holding the sermon there was saying he believes iran's supreme court leader humiliated president trump by rebuffing president trump's offer to start into a dialogue with the iranians to start into negotiations. the iranians at this point in time clearly saying they are not going to back down. john? >> doesn't sound like they are. barbara, from the pentagon perspective, central command releases this video.

they say here's your proof iran did this, so now what? >> well, that is the big question, right? what do you do to ensure the market, the tanker market, oil markets, financial markets, have confidence in this billion dollar industry of commercial shipping through one of the world's most sensitive choke points now that the ships have been openly attacked at sea. the administration is saying it's continuing on the diplomatic initiative and it's continuing with the maximum pressure campaign. it has no interest in any kind of conflict with iraq -- with iran, no interest in any kind of war, but other at the pentagon and at the state department behind the scenes they are obviously looking at options. what, if anything, can they do? what if there is another attack? what if the tanker market becomes so sensitive to this that the tanker industry says we're going to need military escorts through those waters. right now there is not the vip capacity of the navy in that region to do it sources tell us,

so this would be quite a significant change if this situation grows worse. the u.s. still very committed it says to sanctions pressure and diplomatic initiatives. again, they say they don't want a conflict with iran. >> barbara starr at the pentagon, fred pleitgen in tehran. thank you both for your perspective. joining me now at the table is david sanger of the "new york times." belligerent rhetoric and what iran says and the president says. they believe they have clear proof an iranian provocation. now what? >> this is one of the most sensitive and dangerous national security incidents that president trump has had in his two and a half years in the presidency. he did a small strike in syria that syria can't strike back at us. he threatened north korea and immediately turned to negotiation. this is a lot more complicated. the iranians know that he's extremely sensitive to oil prices. they know what kind of

disruption they can do in the economic markets. it's not clear from the video, that certainly doesn't seem to prove iranian complicity. it shows them taking a mine off. it's not clear where that boat went. there are not that many doubts that the iranians were responsible here given how close this was to the iranian coast, but that's a far thing from proof, so now the president's got some big decisions. can sanctions alone do it? well, you could argue sanctions is what's tryinging this. can recreate an area around the ships as barbara suggested before that's sort of off limits to small boats. that runs a big risk conflict. is there a role for the united nations security council here? of course, many of the members blame president trump for reinvigorating the problems with iran by withdrawing from the nuclear deal. >> it's interesting if you look at the reactions from the european allies. they don't doubt the united states with you want their own independent verification.

they could still be mad at the president for withdrawing from the vcpoa, the iran nuclear agreement. is this going to become, a simple way to put it, the u.s. versus iran or will the administration find partners if it wants to increase pressures? >> i think it will find some partners but has a couple of different problems. most of the europeans and the chinese and the russians who negotiated the nuclear deal think that the president mid a terrible mistake walking away from it. they think he should have built on that deal. the second is they don't necessarily believe him and u.s. intelligence. they will have to be shown shared intelligence, and the third thing is the administration has failed at this point, john, to really lay out a big iran strategy. >> right. >> they have declared what iran has to stop doing. secretary of state pompeo gave a speech with a list of 12 steps they had to go take, but they do not right now have a sort of long-term strategy of how you engage the iranians into a negotiate and what you try to accomplish in that. >> david sanger, appreciate your

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more than double the number that i.c.e. reported were quarantined back in march. at that point 2,000 people in i.c.e. custody were quarantined amid an outbreak of mumps and other diseases. the question is what is i.c.e. doing to combat this seeming outbreak? they so far have quarantined 100 detention pods, pods that last 25 days and it's important to note that just because they are quarantined doesn't mean they have mumps, just that they have been exposed and the numbers that i.c.e. is giving us is that since september 297 people had confirmed cases of the mumps. now this significant spike in the people actually quarantined for fear that they might have mumps, it comes at the same time that the acting dhs secretary kevin mcaleenan as warned hearings on the hill that conditions at the border are at a breaking point. in fact, just a few days ago just this week mcaleenan talked about the dangerous contagious diseases at the border saying

it's not just dangerous to the migrants flowing across the border but also border agents and really the numbers here are stunning. last month there were had a record number of migrants encountered or arrested at the border. that will number was 144,000. that's the highest total in one month in more than a decade. of course, we've heard from president trump striking that deal with mexico and putting more pressure on that country putting the stem of flow of migrants to the u.s., but really the stung numbers today is that at i.c.e. detention centers around the country we're seeing a huge uptick of people quarantined, the number now standing at 5,200 people quarantined because of mumps and chicken pox. >> an alarming number. thanks north breaking news. turning now it our political radar. a few other headlines from president trump's birthday interview this morning on fox news. the president announcing former acting i.c.e. chief john holman also hi news border czar and he has several other good

candidates to replace press secretary sarah sanders and he has no plans to fire his counsellor kellyanne conway despite a federal watchdog saying she violated the hatchage. right now a squash amash rally is on in michigan. some republicans campaigning against the incumbent republican congressman justin amash after he accused the president of impeachable congress and he's been in a twitter spat with the donald trump jr. who taunted him over the weekend for his opposition -- about the opposition in the upcoming primary. at least two republicans say they plan to challenge amash for his congressional seat. senator amy klobuchar telling cnn she's now joining the growing chorus of 2020 democratic presidential candidates calling for impeachment. this comes after president trump said he might accept dirt on a political opponent from a foreign power. >> i guess what i'm asking is you have said that you've seen evidence that would load to impeachment so why not start impeachment? >> well, that is a possibility

right now in the house. would i support an impeachment proceeding beginning now but i also understand that they may want to be doing investigations leading up to it, and i think they should be given the time to do that. >> you listen there, careful and important. impeachment proceedings, meaning start the proceedings. doesn't mean the end of it, but we are seeing more of this among the 2020 and can a dates. congressman swalwell after the president gave that interview to abc news where he said, sure, i'd take it, saying that, does it change the dynamic? >> no. only person who matters is nancy pelosi, and she's made -- she's very clear she's not moving off of her opposition to moving forward with impeachment inquiry, at least at this point. the question is what ultimately will move her? will there be a series of events that make it seem like that's the only way for them to go. this week when i interviewed her, i asked her a majority of the caucus moves forward, it's in the at majority, but if it

does get to a majority will she get off the opposition? she did not say if that would get her off. >> if it were up to nancy pelosi, it's right now only 60 of the 232. >> we've seen this time and time again. a bombshell comes out, reporters, members of her caucus ask her has the needle moved at all and the answer is no every time. if you start to see some of the centrist members and the swing districts call for this, that could maybe move the needle a little bit, but as of right now she's backed down. >> won't be called by what she called the presidentials. >> up next the presidentials. the stage is now set for the first democratic debate, and the strategizing already begun. >> who do you want to be up there against? >> i think i want to be up there with the people that are -- >> what are their names? >> oh, i haven't even thought it through yet. >> i don't believe that. >> you might be a little bit right.

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we now know the lineup for the first two presidential debates. quick reminder, 23 democrats running and three congressman bullock and congressman moulton and mayor messium did not make the threshold.

23 candidates divided into two groups of ten. the first debate, the first night, senator booker, former housing secretary julian castro, mayor de blasio, john delaney, congresswoman gabbard, senator klobuchar and governor inlee. that's the first ten, the first night of the democratic debate the next night, round two, with these ten including the front-runner joe biden and bernie sanders. of course, second place in most of the polls. he was a candidate in 2016 so the two heavyweights if this field has heavyweights right there in that debate. so is mayor pete buttigieg, senator gillibrand, senator harris, businessman andrew yang, spiritual adviser marianne adviser, governor hickenlooper, senator michael bennett and congressman swalwell. the chairman of the democratic national committee said you had plenty of time. >> i think having ten is going to be really a limit, and what we did early on, and the thing

that i think was important from our perspective, joe, is we set these rules, you know, back earlier this year. we gave all the candidates literally over four months. they had a lot of time and a 1% bar i think it's a fair bar. it's harder to get a lower about than 1%. >> instant analysis team. is the there had a big winner or a big loser in how this cut happened and how this lottery happened? >> there's three candidates i would single out. of course, every campaign is going to spin this as a win immediately, but i think that this is really good for joe biden and bernie sanders because they are on the same stage and it allows them to continue fighting against each other which is the matchup that both men want. they think tell gates them as like co-front-runners of this race, and it also takes away the generational piece as they are both in their late 80, but on the generational pier, i think it's also a good stage for mayor

pete buttigieg because he can really drive that contrast. he's on the same stage as bernie and biden, and i think that that's a good night for him to be on. >> interesting to see how it cuts for elizabeth warren. she's on the first night. she's the leader in the polls of the people that she is grouped up against on the first night. does she stand out against those rivals or maybe not? maybe someone else takes that position because she doesn't do as well, and if someone gets momentum out of that first night, does that immediately quashed by the second night's debate because people have forgotten about night one and we're talking about bernie versus biden or whatever the story line. that's a good question is how much do the two-day debates affect them? >> governor hickenlooper got his wish. let's listen. >> do you need to be up there next to joe biden if you want to get yourself known? >> i don't have to be next to him. i certainly would relish the opportunity, and he would certainly be on my list, but i

think that people are still just making their minds up. >> he wants to be there to try to say, what, i'm a better moderate, a better centrist. >> what you're going to see on both nights is the candidates on the bottom end of the polling trying to create a breakout moment, and i think the question is is it easier on the first night when you have less of the top tier candidates there? does that provide more air for some of those nokes, or do they really, real want to get a matchup against biden or sanders to sort show that they can go head to head and that's a little hard. >> it would be count as a debate skeptic. i know there's a sense among many that this will provide these moments and i was just in iowa last weekend where i heard 19 democratic candidates talk back to back to back which took quite a while, as you can imagine and what you take away from that with so many candidates in the field, with president trump eating up all the oxygen in every room, having that kind of breakout moment that proves to be durable i think is much harder has been in any other cycle. >> reminds me of the early

episodes of "the bachelor" when no one stands out and it's harder to remember people and i think we'll see something like that. >> it does create the opportunity for people to mess up. marco rubio in the new hampshire debate. >> rick perry. >> he got mauled by chris christie and that essentially ended his campaign. >> and carly fiorina obviously was one person in the republican debates who did break out and it gave her a bump for a little while but it can be hard to keep that up. >> it's all risk and no reward. one moment, don't mess it up, and what about the three who didn't mess it. mayor messen is a long, long, long shot governor. you have a sitting governor in montana and congressman seth moulton. he says he's not losing hi sleep from it. i'm not there but i'm not giving up. he says it's the wrong call. there's a second set a month later. the question is can they rise up and make the bar for that?

>> well, i believe governor bullock missed the bar for this one by one respondent. if he had gotten one more response in his camp in his poll he would have made this debate, so, you know, there's ways to get in and their challenge is the way it is for many of the candidates who find themselves in the second tier, third tier, however many tiers we're putting in the race. the bottom tier will be really hard to break out and gain traction. >> and some unintended consequences. debate rules, trying to be more transparent and now you have some people left out. >> fun to watch. thanks for joining us here on "inside politics." see you back here on sunday. al alex marquardt in today for brianna keilar after a quick break. that's right, t-mobile will match your discount. cake in the conference room! showing 'em you're ready to be your own boss.

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well, i'm alex marquardt in for brianna keilar live from cnn's washington headquarters. up first, president trump sounding off on a whole range of topics, including his stunning comment about accepting political dirt from a foreign source. today he tried to clarify his earlier comments that he would listen to the information about a political rival and that he might not notify the fbi. this is what he said today during an interview with fox news. >> i think it was accurately stated. >> yeah. >> i mean, i've had a lot of support. first of all,