campaign ethics, trump style. >> i think you might want to listen. i think i want to hear it. >> that is an assault on our democracy. >> in plus trump 2020 gets its official launch this week. >> i think my poll numbers are great. i think we're going to win. >> joe biden and bernie sanders

the biggest debate targets. >> democrats can no more turn the clock back to the 1990s than republicans can turn us back to the 1950s. >> economic rights are human rights. and that is what i mean by democratic socialism. >> "inside politics", the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters now. welcome to inside politics. thank you for sharing your sunday. remarkable scenes into the nighttime hours in hong kong as tens of thousands of protesters just declaring an extradition policy that gives more power to mainland china is not enough. remarkable pictures. we begin our sunday conversation with a fresh reminder how much the trump presidency is testing and often shattering our rules and norms. how could a president, having

led the past two and a half years, think it is okay to take campaign help from a hostile foreign government? given the source, not at all surprising. >> if russia, if china, if someone else offers you information on owe uponentoppono you call the fbi or someone else? >> i think you listen. >> it is not an interference. i think i would take it. you go and talk honestly to congressman, they all do it. they always have. that's the way it is. it is opo interference. >> we know the president was told by top aides and advisers his words were beyond problematic. this interview with fox news is his effort to clean it up. >> i don't think anyone would present me with anything because

they know how much i love this country. but number two, if i was, and of course you have to look at it. because if you don't look at it, you don't know if it's bad. but of course you give it to the fbi or report it to the attorney general or somebody like that. but of course you do that. >> of course you call the cops he says there in take two. notice the of course you have to look at it, carried over from take one. some would think the laws would be clear by now. the president's words to abc are not only at odds with the law, they are at odds with his hand-picked fbi director. >> my view is that if any public official or member of any campaign is contacted by any nation state or anybody acting on behalf of a nation state about influencing or interfering with our election, that's

something we would want to know about. >> we have information on your opponent, oh, let me call the fbi. give me a break. life doesn't work that way. >> the fbi director said that's what should happen. >> the fbi director is wrong. >> we have been through this the last two and a half years. is he inviting more foreign help? is he telling his campaign somebody call us from russia, china, somewhere else. he says norway. that's a joke. take the call. or does he not want to talk about the interference that happened in 2016 and this is his way of spinning us into a whatever. >> i think it is the third option. i think this is the president's way of saying what happened in 2016 really wasn't all that bad because there's nothing wrong with going to the fbi. this is basically to erase that circumstance that started with

the trump tower meeting when he tried to pretend that the meeting wasn't what it was about. he knew it would be a political problem. and then later on they acknowledged that's what the meeting was about, dirt on your political opponent. and they tried to make it appear as if absolutely nothing was wrong with that. this is how the president views this. the only way to move forward from the situation is to really change people's view of the sort of morality or ethics around it. and this is his latest attempt at that. not to mention i think he genuinely does not understand the problem with sitting down for a meeting and listening and then deciding later if it sounds pretty illegal, then you maybe take it to the fbi. >> but he is the president. so people follow his direction. this is kayly. what did the president tell you to do? >> we're following the president's lead. >> to be clear, though, what is the president's directive? >> as he said, case by case

basis. he said he would likely do both, listen to what they have to say. >> so the president's directive is break the law, then call the fbi. if you accept help from any foreign government, you're breaking the law. break the law and then call the fbi? >> it did seem, yeah -- it did strike me to a, russia, if you're listening. encouraging i foreign entity to hack hillary clinton's emails. play this out the next two years. there are going to be foreign governments very interested in the outcome of the u.s. election. and president trump is not putting forward a united front from the united states that we do not want foreign governments to influence us. he is putting forward this idea that, sure, if you have dirt, if you have something, i'm willing to listen. it does filter throughout his campaign apparatus who are eager

to hear what the different governments may have on joe biden or other candidates in this democratic race. >> even despite his trouble with the truth sometimes, sometimes he's brutally honest. he said of course i would look at that. are you crazy? that's what he was saying. the walkback was from the action from the hill. they had already been trying to deal with foreign governments. rudy giuliani had said he was traveling to go find things out about biden. they think this is normal activity despite what's gone on the past few years. pretty amazing. >> to abby's point, anything about russia provokes the president. even to say, look, what happened in 2016 happened. didn't affect the outcome.

i'm not going to let it to happen in 2020. he won't give that answer. if you read his tweets today. if you pick up the "new york times", there is a story today about the united states government is actually retaliating against russia, sending a signal, don't do this again. or if you do this we can poke you back. this from the "new york times" story. two u.s. officials said they believe trump had not been briefed in any detail. pentagon and intelligence officials described broad hesitation to go into detail with mr. trump and about operations against russia for concern over his reaction, and the possibility that he might counter manned it or discuss it with foreign officials as he did in 2017 when he mentioned a sensitive operation in syria to the russian foreign minister. the president tweeting this last night. do you believe the failing "new york times" just did a story that they are increasing cyber attacks on russia? this is a virtual act of treason. he goes on to say it's not true.

the "times" then clarifying it ran the story by the national security council and they said go ahead, in other words saying it's true. what is the president's game here? >> when he doesn't like a story, he tends to call the media names. and that is a pattern, albeit a disturbing one. and there is no reason to suspect anything in the story isn't true. the "times" stands by their reporting. and i believe the number at this point is a zillion examples that turned out to be true. you know, this is just sort of bluster on his part. although i, again, think it's disturbing. i'm very interested in how this issue of election interference is going to become a political issue once we get to the 2020 general election. are, whoever the democratic nominee is, is this going to be something they raise a lot? is it going to be something that

resonates with voters to potentially impugn the president's patriotism even? and if there does turn out to be dirt on whoever the nominee is, i think that person has the ability to potentially under cut the credibility of any negative information by saying, well, gee, where did you get this? did you get this from the russians? is this even true? i think one of the effects of the loose relationship with the truth is to create so much doubt in so many people's minds, not just supporters but his opponents, unsure they can believe anything they hear around him whether it's the "new york times" or his mouth. that will make for a strange climate in 2020. >> remarkable and important point. back to the "times" story for a minute. we talk about the president busting norms. they don't tell the president about sensitive informations because it may make him mad, he may pull the plug on him. it is hard to wrap your minds

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going to make our country great again. >> that believe it or not four years ago today. the iconic escalator ride. tuesday in orlando is the official kickoff of a re-election campaign that begins with a strong economy. also with an electorate that seems open to change at the top. this is the 2016 map. hillary clinton wins the popular vote but did the wins electoral college victory. let's look at what we consider from the early 2020 battle ground states. the president will start his campaign officially -- he's been out on the road. but he will kick it off in florida. pretty close in 2016. key to his win then. he will launch it with a rally tuesday in orlando to get going on the road. as he looks at the map, florida looks pretty good they think at this point. although polls are close. a couple points on the map are warning signs for the president. in michigan, detroit news poll

done recently. more importantly, i want to pull this up. he 40% in michigan in 2016. all of these democrats beat the president now. joe biden, above 50%. the president shy of 48%. 41, 44, 43, 41. he is underperforming wrefs e in 2016. if you're an incumbent, that's what you worry about. that's michigan. pennsylvania, another public poll. bring it up. same idea. almost 49%. his shocking big win there. almost 49%. joe biden beats him. president at 42%. the president is at 43% with bernie sanders. 44% with warren. a long way to go. doesn't tell you the president can't win. the electorate open minded.

the president carried michigan, pennsylvania, florida voters. take a look. the president said he doesn't believe the public polls. he's fine. >> we have great internal polling. there were fake polls that were released by somebody that is -- it's ridiculous. no, we are winning in every single state that we polled. we're winning in texas very big, ohio very big, florida very big. you know when you will see that? you will see it on election day. it is unbelievably strong. the strongest i've ever been is exactly today. >> i think that's a bit of hyperbole. you expect a candidate to be bullish about his or her chances. we lived through 2016. so whatever you see today in the polls could mean nothing when we get closer to the end of 2020. it tells me not that the electorate is decided. absolutely. we're not giving him four more years. but people in the big states he

won are willing to think about it. . >> absolutely. this is a perfect example of something that the president denied in very forceful terms. his campaign later came out and confirmed that the internal polls did exist. they did a little song and dance about things. it is the rust belt. all about the rust belt states. the reason trump won the electoral college. and they seemed to make the most of a u turn since 2016. we saw democrats do very well in all the states in the 2018 midterms. turnout resembling a midterm election. it wasn't because the president stayed home. and the other thing that you really notice on the graphics is the third-party vote. president trump didn't get 50% in all of these swing states that he won. but there were third-party candidates. that's a wild card in 2020.

is there going to be a green party candidate who can get attention. you saw how democrats completely freaked out about howard schultz herier this year. will there be that ticket that could take votes from either side? you know, you could -- trump doesn't need to get to 50% to with win if there are those wild cards in the race. >> everything could change between now and then. at this point it appears likely he will lose the popular vote. you think of the big states. as long as democrats turn out. you look how he did last time and can he perform. in the 2016 race, president trump won by 7 points. he won independents by four points. no college voters biff 37 points. that's how he put together wisconsin, pennsylvania, michigan. he loses to joe biden by 17 points among older voters. 30 among independents. margin goes from 37 to 10. so he is losing his base, if you

will, part of his 2016 base. it's the same against senator sanders. senator sanders numbers there. elizabeth warren, white non-college. even there, losing 17 points. he's underperforming where he was. again, he has a whole campaign to fix it, but he has work to do. >> you're seeing democrats make those arguments. joe biden pointing to numbers like that, the democratic electorate right now for nominating him. the other interesting thing for president trump is he has a much more professionalized campaign operation this time around that can help in some instances to drive up his base of voters. they are identifying voters in a way that the president trump's campaign did not do four years ago. that's an x factor where he and the republican party right now have a huge organizational infrastructural advantage over the democrats. so that could sort of change some of these numbers and support. >> very, very smart about their

targeting. very high-tech, digital operation as well. you made this point. the president is sometimes in competition with yourself, if you will. look at these numbers from the quinnipiac poll. how do you feel about your personal financial situation? 57% say good. 77% say excellent or good. that should be do pass go, do collect $200 for any incumbent. and the attacking the london mayor on twitter, a muslim mayor. he's his own worst enemy. economy is his best friend. how do we work this out? >> that is the crux of the problem. he should be sailing to re-election. what is frustrating to the president and the campaign, that is not the case. his deep unpopularity is a real problem for him even in the places where he got enough support to win in 2016. so how do you fix that? how do you fix the problem, which is president trump?

and i think there's really the campaign has not come up with a great solution to it. they are trying as much as they can to beat the drum of the economy. but clearly, you know, at this stage it's not working. you see the president getting very nervous about it. in the last week he called out a company as saying, open your plant in pennsylvania. this one town in pennsylvania is really important to me. that's not an accident. he is saying that because he wants to make it clear to those voters, i haven't abandoned you. because there is -- i think this is the message you're seeing some democrats trying to make. there is a segment of the population for whom this economy has not quite thrived for them. and those are the people who the president are going to need that he is still working for them. some of these promises he made to them are going to come to fruition. >> and the promises thing. i want to hit on that. he told these people, we will bring back the mills. your jobs are coming back. it hasn't happened. neither as the wall.

and they didn't repeal the affordable care act. there are things he didn't deliver on that stick with people. to matt's point, i was in his presidential campaign headquarters last election, and it was barely a presidential campaign, certainly nothing i had seen before. so that's a point. i still say it's about women. 53% of white american women supported the president in his election last time. i think he will have a hard, hard time hitting that again. that's going to hurt. and you hear them start to say maybe we're going to play in colorado, new mexico, nevada. i want will be tough. . >> they're testing. they have the resource, and the advantage of time to test other places on the map if they lose to michigan, pennsylvania. but those are much harder demographically. they talk about oregon, new mexico. go to census dot tkpof. the field is set.

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the lineup set for the first two nights of the presidential debates a little less than two weeks ago. these are the top 20 democratic candidates, the 20 who qualified for the debates. three others not included in the first round because they didn't meet the test.

this will be night one. significant because no front-runner joe biden. no bernie sanders. elizabeth warren, the best performing of the democrats so far to be on night one of the rest of her rivals night one. the next night, that's what you do see the front-runner returning to the debate stage. joe biden. bernie sanders running second in most national polls, has the 2016 campaign experience. pete buttigieg making his generational change argument. hickenlooper the second night here. look at this. just look at this from a polling perspective. quinnipiac national poll, percentage support for the democratic candidates. 21% of the support nationally will be in night one. most of that, you see the line here, is elizabeth warren's support. most others barely registering in the polls. that's the lineup for night one.

much of the support is in night two. night two is a bit stacked. former vice presidents. mayor pete, senator harris, and the rest here. two nights of the debates, joe biden's return to the debate stage is crowded. ten candidates hard to manage. who is the front-runner who might be a target says let's play nice. >> this is going to be an appearance. we are told we have one minute to respond. we have one minute to speak. i think it's a gigantic mistake if democrats, 20, or whatever number we have, go after each other. it's only going to make it easier for this guy to win. and so i'm not going to speak ill of other democrats. >> might they speak ill of him? just critically maybe? there is a difference. >> they already have started to, even by name, you saw when biden

first got in there were elusions to him or his style. this debate will be fascinating. because there's going to be such an unsettled dynamic. it probably actually matters less for the candidates who are doing better in the polls and more for the candidates on the bottom who are -- this could be do or die for candidates hovering around 1% to zero percent. if they can't do that in the first debate, it is a real question whether they will have both the financial ability to stay in the race and also just the momentum to meet the debate criteria for the next debate. >> i agree with you 100%. also for joe biden. he wants it to be nice. his whole standing right now is based on eight democrats. they like him. they have the perception at this moment he's the strongest to go up against donald trump. whether you're a 1%, 10%, 5%, is

to try to get joe biden is make him have a shaky debate moment. some of the fault lines we have seen in the campaign that we expect to see debate night. >> the 1994 crime bill. if it did contribute to mass incarceration to our country. >> i don't think there is room in our party for a democratic candidate who does not support women's full reproductive freedom. >> when the future of the planet is at stake, there is no middle ground. >> we democrats can no more promise a return to the 90s than the republicans can deliver on a promise to return us to the 50s. >> i don't think anybody goes into these debates thinking you're going to knock out joe biden. what's your challenge to get people to think, huh, okay, maybe not joe biden. maybe that guy or gal. >> all the candidates will be on the stage that we just saw. joe biden will be receiving it throughout the night from all sides. and so i think he has a major

test because he's been seen as the front-runner. he is formidable. he's tested. and this night is going to come under scrutiny. sit possible that he emerges with a good night and proves the notions correct. but he's also not debated fellow democrats in a long time on the debate stage. he faces a lot of questions that can be posed very pointedly. and molly mentioned somebody like senator gillibrand whose campaign has not taken off in a way, she could benefit from a moment with joe biden. candidates like that will be going in trying to create that. >> create a moment for them and just hope he doesn't handle it very well and it raises doubts about him. another big test is bernie sanders who had hillary clinton to himself in the 2016 campaign. he put a lot of departments in the aircraft carrier. it is more difficult because you have a more crowded field. on purpose, bernie sanders this past week went out and defended

and advocated for democratic socialism. >> we must recognize that in the 21st century, in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, economic rights are human rights. as one of the great leaders in american history, dr. martin luther king jr. said, and i quote, call it democracy or call it democratic socialism, but there may be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all of god's children. >> now, we know, if i can show you the debate lineup. governor hickenlooper has come after bernie sanders. so has bennett. joe biden has gently. sanders wants this fight, too. he wants to energize his base. elizabeth warren has taken some

of his base. he's looking for a fight here to rally his very loyal base. >> right. he also is dealing with the socialism label. he's actually embraced for all of these years. all of a sudden now this is a weapon that republicans have turned on democrats. and it's a little different for him. and he has to sort of deal with that issue. and i do think that that has proven effective so far by the republicans. that's what hickenlooper and michael bennet are talking about. >> it's not likely that bernie is going to really convert a ton of people on the socialism label. but i think what he is trying to do is inoculate himself by softening the edges of what it is, trying to explain it to people, which i think he attempted to do in the last election and didn't do very effectively. this is a little bit more of a concerted effort on the part of the campaign to really put it out there as a speech and say this is what i mean when i say democratic socialism. it is not going to hurt him in iowa where quite a few democrats are perfectly happy with that

label. but once he starts branching out of the states, it's going to become an issue for him. and i think he's going to have to really justify that label for himself and defend himself frankly against not only democrats but republicans. the trump campaign, they absolutely love the fact that he is a democratic socialist. they are just champing at the bit, to use that as a campaign strategy not just against bernie but against all the candidates really. >> we suspect it will be somewhat contentious and somewhat polite as well. one thing we know about the democratic debates is we're not going to get this one. >> you are the biggest liar. you are probably worse than jeb bush. you are the single biggest liar. >> this is a tough business. >> you're a tough guy, jeb. >> you're never going to be president of the united states. >> let's see. i'm at 42. you're at 30. >> you have been funded liberal -- >> i funded you.

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president trump is back to criticizing elizabeth warren again. and there is a lesson in that. our recent iowa poll had senator warren in what is essentially a three-way tie behind joe biden. a new nevada poll puts the massachusetts democrat alone in second place in that early state. they won't be on the same stage with biden or bernie sanders in the first debate, but she is

emerging as a clear threat to both. "the new yorker" raises the big question this week, can she win it all? and the candidate thinks her long list of specific policy concerns is the source. >> 2020 is our chance to turn that around and to make this country work for everyone else. it's our chance to cancel student loan debt for 43 million americans, to cover 12 million children by universal child care, provide universal care, break the back of the opioid crisis. there is so much we can do for 2020. we just have to decide that we have the courage to do it. >> there is a trajectory. you want to be going that way, and she is. why? >> it is the -- you know, mitch mcconnell had this line of nevertheless she persisted which is sort of a gift to her when she was filibustering. her campaign has used that. and that's a similar moment now. she has persisted.

she was at a low point six or eight months ago. and it's through her plans, her ideolo ideology. she has a clear reason for why she's running. and she's worked hard and sort of got back to this position where she does have a lot of momentum. it's interesting her debate night. i don't know her campaign would necessarily be happy with the debate night where all the other heavyweights are on the other night. sit a chance for her to shine. but she does a lot better as an underdog. she is the clear target for that night from the other candidates. >> that's a good point. one of the reasons she's up is that if you look deep into the polling, liberals -- a lot of liberals. people who self-identify as hreubs ral liberals are going tore warren, not bernie sanders. >> we will no longer tolerate the greed of corporate america. >> joint corporations in america have too much power. >> the wealthy and multinational

corporations will start paying their fair share of taxes. >> start asking the people who have gained the most from our country to pay their fair share. >> we are going to win this election not because we have a super pac funded by billionaires. >> i'm not taking applications from billionaires who want a super pac on my behalf. >> similar, but she is starting to show evidence she might be able to expand her coalition beyond that. very well received in south carolina last night among african-americans. it's a benefit for warren, threat to sanders? >> yeah. i mean, i think, as matt said, she benefits also from the fact that she's been pretty well-known among the democratic base for some years now. she is not just getting on people's radar the way a lot of other candidates are trying to do. so there's always been a lot of democrats who are willing to consider her but not sure she could get there. and so having momentum at this

stage is really beneficial. but the sense that you get from talking to voters about warren is also she is benefiting from low expectations. because she didn't catch fire out of the gate, she was one of the first candidates to get in this race back in january and didn't catch fire. there was some hand wringing among supporters about that. now she has a lot of momentum. people are saying, oh, she's more impressive than i realized. >> and the president of the united states bragging the pocahontas slurred knocked her out of the race. not so much. mattive crowds in hong kong. 6 behr, ranked #1 in customer satisfaction with interior paints. great paint, new low price. starting at $24.98. exclusively at the home depot. plaque psoriasis get clearer. with moderate to severe and stay clearer. most patients who saw 90% clearer skin at 28 weeks

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one last time around the "inside politics" table to get ahead of the political news just around the corner. abby phillip. >> president trump last week announces tom homan would be her new border czar but there are questions whether that position will look like and whether it is legal to take the power that congress gave to the department of homeland security and give it

to an unconfirmed white house official and also i think what the sticking point will be going forward is does president trump have a problem when he's trying to name a perm innocent dhs secretary are they okay with that arrangement and why the reason is very much still in >> i'm watching the supreme court. there is less than two weeks left in the term and 24 big opinions left including real politically charged ones. gerrymandering, census question, power of federal agencies. i think this is the first time we're going to see the impact of justices gorsuch and kavanaugh and seeing if john roberts puts his thumb on the scale in a couple of cases to make sure it doesn't look super partisan. >> someone should write a book. carl did write a book and we'll have it soon. >> on the horizon this friday is jim clyburn's fish fry in south

carolina. it is the single biggest gathering of the democratic presidential race so far. all of the candidates just about are going including joe biden. who has avoided a lot of the gatherings where he's on the same stage with other candidates. why? it is the importance of black voters and south carolina and it is the importance of jim clyburn. he's the most important politicians in south carolina for these democrats. they'll each get a chance to speak and it is a tune-up for the debate the following week. there is one difference with the fish fry, they're being asked to stay for the electric slide which will not happen in miami at the debate. >> okay. that is going to be hard to erase that image. molly. >> i have no segue from that. well a few days ago, a congress woman susan brooks, republican from indiana announced her retirement. a surprise to a lot of people in the housep representatives. this is bad news for the house

republicans for a couple of different reasons. we all know that the republican party has been having trouble attracting women, there are only 13 women in the house republican caucus. losing one of them brings that number down and brooks had been in charge of recruitment for the republican congressional committee, particularly trying to get more women to run for office. now she's stepping down. it also could port end further republican retirement and it is a sign of a tough cycle ahead and although it looks on paper like a safe republican district, trump won it by 12 points, it is the kind -- it is in the suburbs of indianapolis, it's the type of district demographically the democrats feel like in a wave year they could have a chance at winning. >> a lot of grumbling about the house republican campaign team. i'll appreciate that. and i'll close by circling back to the remarkable hong kong protests and they add to the china challenge facing the trump white house. he traveled to the annual global

economic summit and this year in osaka, japan. he's already raised the stakes saying he's prepared to raise tariffs on chinese goods even more if president xi jinping doesn't meet with him and this has giant -- giant complications for the administration. so far the president said very little about the protests, expressing his awe at size of the crowds and saying he hopes it works out. it would seem the perfect opportunity for an american president to say back off and urge china to respect the will of the demonstrators but president trump is more inclined to praise and he went so far as to cancel the speech vice president pence planned three weeks to mark the anniversary of the tee an square massacre. that is it for "inside politics."

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