my father saved that lady's life. he was a hero. >> my father wasn't killed by the firearm. he was killed by the person behind the gun. >> i think he is a monster. i don't know how they are going to feel when they see me for the first time. >> he has no way of knowing the anguish that i felt for ten years. >> i have been wanting to say something for a long time. this is something that needs to be done. >> i will know if he is really remorseful or not. if he's not, then we got problems. >> i spend half my life working with the criminal justice system. and i have seen lives devastated by violence.

we like to imagine that after the verdict, the story is over. the victim and the offender are never meant to meet again. but for some, the only way to move forward is to come face to face with the person who shattered their lives. i'm on my way to indianapolis, indiana. they used to call it the crossroads of america. they have so many interstates zipping through here. people are coming, going to a place like this. indianapolis attracts a lot of people from around the world, including a guy named mario gonzalez tello. an immigrant from peru came here to pursue the american dream. then he lost his life. in 2008, mario was fatally shot

trying to help someone in need. he was trying to interrupt a robbery in progress. i'm on my way to meet with two of the sons of mr. gonzalez tello. they want to meet the guy who killed their father. i want to talk with them about that. i want to know why they decided to take that kind of a step at this point, ten years later. >> nice to meet you. >> appreciate you making time for me. you guys are brothers. who is the younger one? >> i'm the youngest. >> you are the baby? >> youngest of four. >> he is the oldest of four. >> wow. okay. >> we were taught to be strong willed, good people, help your neighbor. always open doors type of people. >> growing up as an immigrant's

son, i think i had the only spanish name in martinsville, indiana. a little hillbilly town. my mom was hillbilly. my dad was peruvian. >> they divorced when i was young. we were lucky in that sense that even though we were from a broken family, i was still able to have a good relationship with my father. my mother was a tremendous person. >> what kind of a man was your father? >> came from peru in the early '60s. >> my father came to america with $7 in his pocket. >> he didn't even speak english. he got an education here. ended up speaking seven languages. >> he liked tool and dye making. he was working when he passed away. he was 72 years old. i asked him, why don't you go ahead and retire and enjoy life? he goes, if i do that, i'm going to rust. i don't want to do that. >> if i rest, i rust. that's what he said. the only thing that's keep meg

young and beautiful. >> those are his words. >> he was passionate about singing. he loved opera. >> every now and then i will roll out of bed and i'm like, that tune is in my head. that tune dad would sing to us. >> he ended up getting a degree in math and opera. >> i asked him, where did you get all this information? he goes, i'm going to tell you a secret. they keep it concealed in books. >> he was a character. >> how did you even find out that you lost him? >> i will never forget that monday. i was at my house. i had my son carter with me. >> it was very early in the morning. somebody is knocking on the door. i look out the window. what's a police officer doing here? he just said, look, your dad was shot. he is no longer with us.

>> is it harder to hear that your father was murdered or is it harder to explain to your 8-year-old son? i had to do both of those things that day. >> what happened the night that your father was murdered? >> in this particular night, he went to one of his friend's restaurants, a mediterranean restaurant. >> he was eating. they were closing. they went to close the doors. he went out to his vehicle. >> he saw that this kid was robbing this lady. dad being who dad was, got out of his car. >> my dad had a snub-nosed handgun. >> the assailant turned and shot dad. he was shot in an artery near his live. >> which is a death shot.

>> i go back to that same spot every year. at that same little parking spot where dad had parked. >> took a lot of pictures. there's dad's revolver. yeah. this definitely reopens a lot of wounds. >> my sisters had this box for ten years. she had it like a shrine to dad. >> sorry i missed your call. >> we got done looking through the box. >> how did it go? >> it's hard. >> i know. it's hard because i want to hang on to those. but i don't want to actually open them. i want to keep them the way they are.

>> the police chief said that night that my father was a hero because he saved that lady's life. he was a hero. he is a hero to me. >> you are going now to sit down and talk with the guy who killed your father. what are you each individually hoping to understand in this situation? >> i want to see he is remorseful. i want to see him change. we all have to answer for everything that we have done. at the end of the day, we're going to one of two places. >> there's things that he knows that we don't know. what was he thinking? was he trying to initiate in a gang? >> there's questions i have that i want him to answer that only he knows. >> last time you saw him was in

court ten years ago. what's that experience? being in a courtroom with the guy who killed your father. >> my whole goal of sitting on that stand was to look him in the eye and ask him, who do you think you are? i think he only looked up once at me. caught my eye and kept looking down at his hands. he never really wanted to see me as a human. he never wanted to see mario as a human. it bothered me. >> i find it amazing how people just don't care. i believe this case should have been a death penalty. but it's not. the kid shot and killed my father. ♪

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i really want to hear why he is willing to meet with them now and talk with them. ♪ young man. >> how are you doing? >> how are you doing, brother? >> how are you doing? >> it's good to see you. you do sports in here. >> volleyball, basketball. >> basketball. you got the right name for basketball. >> my dad gave me the name. >> i just want to get an understanding of is just your upbringing. how did you grow up? >> i was on the west side of town.

neighborhood was rough. i seen a lot of crime going on, robberies and drug selling. fights and all types of unnecessary stuff. >> when you were a little kid, were you that feisty bad kid, that quiet, nerdy kid? >> in trouble doing something. the kid throwing rocks at cars and stuff like that. i was adventurous. having fun, being a kid. i love sports. i think that was my first thing i loved doing. when i got in high school, i became a letterman in football, baseball. i played golf. wanted to go to college. education is very important in our family. they big on that. my mom hold me to a higher standard. i had a good relationship with her. my dad was tough on me.

maintain grades, you can play sports. my grades was good. i maintained a b average. my family, they always see me in school doing normal stuff like going to class and rotc and doing stuff, just having fun. nobody around, i'm another person. >> nobody figuring this. what were you doing? >> i was stealing stuff out of stores, going to school and selling it. >> what was the money for? >> i like shoes. sneaker head. i got to loving shoes. i gotta keep up these shoes. >> why didn't you ask your mom for the money? >> i see my mom go through a struggle a lot of times. i hate to hear my mom cry. when she couldn't do what she wanted to do for her kids, my mom made sacrifices. how is she going to pay this bill, make sure we eat? i took it upon myself. i'm going to help out.

so i did buy grocery. i told mom i brought groceries. i lied to her. i saved it. you know, i saved it. you saved it? yeah. all right. i'm proud of you. yeah. consistently lying to her. i never told her what i was doing. robbery cases and stuff like that, go on the news, getting away without getting caught and watching movies. this ain't movies. this is real life. 15, broke in somebody's house. took valuable stuff. once i tried it, i didn't get caught, i kept going with it. >> how did the gun get involved? >> i brought a gun when i was 15. i felt protected. i never told my family about the gun. i hid the gun in my room. i know if i go into an environment i know is dangerous, i have to protect myself.

>> you got this gun. what happened that night? how did that situation go down, the situation that got you here? >> june 30, 2008, i was sitting at home. i'm seeing how much money i was short of getting this car i wanted. so i walked out of the house. it's dark outside. i got this gun on me. i seen a lady coming out of the restaurant. so i run across the street, across 38th street. into a parking lot. i ran up on this woman. i asked her was for the money.

she was telling me, no. listen, i'm not here to kill you or nothing like that. just give me the money. she's like, no. so i pull my gun on her. as soon as she turn around to give me the money, i heard somebody say, hey. i turned around. i see this man over from a distance point a gun at me. my mind went into a state of shock. i took my gun and shot. once i shot him, he just dropped. i turned around and she's screaming. she gave me the money. i took off running. i hoping he didn't die.

the following morning i seen on the news. my heart just dropped. oh, no. my mine wasn't there no more. a week or two later, i committed a robbery. they pulled me over. i had the gun in the backpack that i committed a murder with. >> they somehow figured it out? >> they put two and two together. the ballistics to the gun and the man was killed with. i pled guilty to a felony murder and robbery. >> you turn around and there's a guy there and you did not have a gun, what would you have done? >> told him to get on the ground. my intention was not to kill nobody. >> do you think that dominique

would have shot at your dad if your dad hadn't had the gun? >> this story is not about the gun. the story is about somebody who was willing to get out of his car to put their life in danger to save their friend. >> on the news, they are saying he is a hero, he is a good samaritan. how does that land with you? >> at that time, he was the wrong place the wrong time. i was scared for my life. when you see a gun pointed at you, your first reaction is to shoot back. in that situation, it's me or him. you don't know who is going to shoot first. >> i know that if dad was not carrying a gun that night, the outcome would have been the same. anyone can go fast. but, is fast enough? or, do you want speed and style? introducing performance, born of refinement. the lexus rc line.

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>> what you got there? >> this macaroni salad you made was really good. >> we didn't do a lot together growing up. him and my dad went against the grain quite a few times. it bothers my brother because there's a lot of things he wishes he could say to my father. >> in 2008, before the incident with dad, he had gone through a triple bypass surgery. i had been taking care of him. it was rough. we fought a lot. it escalated to a point where i was just done. so i drove him home. i never thought i would speak another word to him again. that's how mad i was at my father. but there came a point, thank god it happened, we talked. i told dad, i'm sorry. he said, i already forgave you. so i learned forgiveness from my father. the right thing to do by way of

my father is to forgive dominique. as hard as it is and as terrible of a thing he has done, we're all monsters in our own way. >> we're not all going around robbing people and going around shooting people. >> true. >> don't you think forgiveness needs to be he were earned? >> no. how can he earn it? >> forgiveness isn't something you wake up one morning and you decide to forgive somebody for wronging you and it's done. forgiveness is waking up every morning and choosing to forgive again. >> look, my brother is different than i am. he looks at things different. we still disagree on a lot of things. that's okay. that's what america is all about. right? we don't have to all get along. >> in a case like this case, do you sometimes wish there had been capital punishment? >> you know what? if he could turn his life around and change somebody's way of thinking and help other people, i'm glad that he is still alive. if he is not remorseful, i think

probably capital punishment would have been probably the best thing. it's hard for me to forgive somebody if they don't care. >> what's the impact on your family, you being locked up? >> it impacted them because i had a bright future ahead of me. i got arrested. everybody was devastated. it hurt me a lot to see the agony. my dad, he was furious. he couldn't even speak to me. he taught me a lot, to try to do it the honest way of living as much as possible how to survive in this world. i know it hurt him a lot from what i did. i felt like i let them down. i felt like a failure. it hurt me. these ten years i've been

incarcerated, my family has got me through. i call my mom once a week every week. i talk to my brother and sister. i love when i get pictures from them, cards, letters. i look liking at pictures because it remind me of my family. my family did a lot for me. they did the best they could. i knew right from wrong. at that time, i had an attitude. >> you were in court when aldo was talking. what's that like? >> aldo, he goes up and he speak. i'm sitting there like nonchalant, get this over with. when he spoke, he is like, why? what made you want to kill my father? he said, you are a coward. as he was talking, he was crying. he say he forgive me. i hope you get your life together and walked off the

stand. mario, he comes up. we staring at each other, me and him. he finally says something. i hope you are going to be a better person. when i got here, i sat in a cell by myself. i sat there and thought about my life. i cried. i balled up and cried. >> what did it mean to you when you found out they wanted to have a conversation with you man to man? >> it's been ten years since everything that happened. 16 to 26. i went through a lot of growth. i'm not the same person i was when i was 16 years old. >> how do you think they're going to be feeling? >> to be honest with you, from what i seen in the courtroom, aldo had a forgiving heart. mario is very mixed to me. >> how are you feeling right now? >> i'm feeling pretty anxious

about it, honestly. >> what are you worried or anxious about? >> my anxiety is with how he is going to respond to what we say to him. >> how do you feel about it? >> i think the pressure is on him. i'm not nervous. it takes a lot to make me nervous. i'm pretty callous right now. i will take it as it goes. >> what do you want to see come out of this? >> if i told you i was ready to forgive, i would be lying. i'm not going to be hugging trees with him or nothing like that. it's just not me. he was my father. you know? i can't force somebody to be something i want them to be. >> what about you? why is this so important to you? >> i think something good can happen from this terrible event. i can't do anything about the incident. what i can do is hope and pray that dominique can do something.

>> hope and change only gets you so far. it's an evil world. >> what else or questions do you have? >> there's small details about the shooting itself that i wanted to know. what did dad say? did dad pass away quickly? >> personally, i don't want to know that. i don't want to know, he was gasping for breath and it took him five minutes to die, he was looking up -- i don't want to know any of that. >> i do. absolutely do. it's the last thing that dad did on earth. i want to know what it was. >> i know what the last thing my dad did on earth. he died helping somebody. >> they were asking me, not you. >> i understand that. i'm kind of getting upset. i'm going to take a break for a second.

>> what are you feeling right now? >> seems often that people want what they want. they're not interested in allowing what other people may need. we got one shot, one chance to have answers. i don't want ten years from now to wonder, to keep wondering. >> he is so [ bleep ] dismissive. i would rather be doing this by myself instead of this bullshit. >> i know. this is something bigger. that is big. not as big as that. big. bigger. big. bigger. this is big.

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he still do. i love him. i try to help him stay on right pane path. one bad choice can alter your life. >> what do you think this will mean to him? >> it's going to mean a lot to him. hoping he see the man i am today. i'm just nervous. i'm nervous all around the board. i'm not backing out of anything. once i commit, i'm all in for it. it's something that need to be done. >> appreciate getting time with you. i know you are working hard getting ready. this whole thing actually started in indiana, this idea of dialogue, justice, that stuff. >> the epicenter in the late '70s was elkhart, indiana. it was howard zare who people

refer to as the grandfather of restorative justice, that brought some of the ideas. >> what is restorative justice? >> i think it empowers the people who are most affected by crime to come together and heal in ways that we didn't know before. it can reduce post-traumatic stress symptoms. i think it's an approach to skr justice that's focused on repair, not just punishment. >> don't you think that somebody who does something horrific like this, shooting somebody over money, needs to be punished? >> it's one thing to sit in front of a judge or sit in front of a prosecutor, go to prison, get arrested. it's one thing to go through that type of accountability, the formal part. i think it's an entirely different thing to come to terms with what you have done, to take ownership of that and to see the pain you have caused to other people.

to me, this is true accountability. this is facing the harm you caused to another person. this is facing mario and aldo. >> think about it. how do you think you are going to feel when he first walks in? sometimes i feel like disgust. disgusted at it all. >> i didn't expect -- i thought i would be all right. i know when i see him, i'm going to get mad. >> it's not real until they sit down in that circle tomorrow. it is not an easy thing to do. this is why so many offenders i work with think about backing out. they know how hard it will be to face what they have done to the people they have hurt. >> he has no way of knowing the anguish that i felt for ten

years. that my kids won't know my father the way i knew my father. >> i think mario and aldo perceive me as a monster. i'm nervous. i don't know how they will feel when they see me for the first time. >> what i would give to hear my father sing again. dominique has no way of knowing that. i want him to know. >> if someone was really sorry, they wouldn't have did the same thing over until they got caught. that upsets me. that's what makes me mad. >> i'm not the same person i was when i was 16 years old. i know i did what was wrong. if he didn't have that gun, nobody would have died. nobody.

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can you talk about when you heard the news? what was your reaction? >> i was at home with my son. got the phone call telling me dad's no longer with us. what was hard about it was that i had to tell my son. it was bad enough that i'm trying to process everything. but now i gotta figure out what to say to my boy. when i told him something bad has happened, grandpa is dead. i remember him getting up, coming over and hugging me, trying to take care of me. sometimes i feel haunted by some of those moments, that i

shouldn't have had. shouldn't have had it. >> what's been the hardest thing for you, mario? >> i probably say the hardest thing is the effect on other people. everybody, my nieces, nephew, my sister, my other brother, his friends. you know, i lost my father but the world lost the greatest guy i knew. i mean, the one thing that really gets me through it was just my fathith in god. >> dominique, is there anything you would like to say at this time? >> i just want to tell you all,

thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak. it was never my intention that not whatsoever to kill your father. i was scared because i seen a gun pointed at me. i just panicked in a state of shock because i don't know if he could have shot me. he didn't have to say anything. c he could have just did it. he said, hey. i was scared. i'm deeply sorry for that. >> he said hey? that's what he said? >> he just said hey. all i seen was him standing with a gun pointed at me. >> how many shots did you fire? >> i shot -- if i remember, i shot him once. >> i know how many shots he got hit with. did you fire all of your shots? >> i can't remember that. no, sir. >> when you got the firearm,

where did you get it? >> i borrowed it off somebody off the street. i wasn't planning on using it. >> was there any gang -- >> i was never part of a gang. >> this was just you? >> it was just me. i knew you guys would have had questions. that's why i took this opportunity because i would have questions. what really happened that night? >> when something like this happens to a person, i mean, it just callouss you. i'm not going to lie to you. i'm on a roller coaster. some days i'm mad. some days i'm sad. a lot of times my emotions are up and down. >> it's important that you are a different man than you were ten years ago. it's important to me. otherwise, dad is gone and you

are gone and my family is left broken. >> i really hope you understand what you did was wrong. we've transformed this home to show the keurig k-café brewer makes any house a coffee house. just pop that in for a coffee or brew a shot and froth milk for a latte or cappuccino. easy peasy. now she's a barista! it's so frothy. a little piece of heaven. thank you. but how's the coffee?

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a blur to me. everything was a blur. i wasn't in the right mind-set and the day i got sentenced and what you all said to me stuck with me, tough. because when you got on the stand and said you was a coward, you was a coward for killing my father. you said i forgive you for that, i took that with me. mario, you got to understand and you had told me i hope you go in there and change and be a better person and help someone and that stuck with me. when i got here, i wrote you all words down on a piece of paper and kept it with me and to this day, i still have that piece of paper. i kept it the whole ten years

since i've been here every year. i don't miss a beat. i look at it and read it and apply it to me doing what you asked of me. >> so what are you doing now? >> i'm working. i just recently completed my apprenticeship. >> in what? electrical mechanical engineering assembly. it's a good trade going to the outside world. >> tell me about the some of the certificates you got, some of the programs. >> i completed by ged when i got here. i did a plus program. it's basically a faith based program of life skills but it taught me a lot and that program helped me grow a lot as a person. i took my freedom for granted. and it bothers me each and every day. it made me a better person along the way. i still have problems. we all got problems.

but my problems i learn how to work with them. i've been learning to be held accountable for all my actions. >> what we want is for dad's memory not to just fadeaway. i want you to have hope. you're with people who are in dark spots. you can be the light for them. and now dad's memory lives through you. it's not just over when he died on that parking lot. >> every year on june 30th, i take that moment, that time and pray for your family. kids, lost their friend, a mentor, a friend, whoever he may be to those. i'm very remorseful and i'm deeply story about that whole situation because it was never my intentions to kill anybody. i was just being selfish and greedy. i wanted something that i should

have worked hard for and i had a chance to. >> i could sit here and hate you all day long, okay? one, it takes way too much energy. i don't want to invest that much energy and hate. we got enough hate in the world right now, man. i mean, we need to stop. >> we hate what happened, i don't want you to think we hate you. and i'm proud of what you're starting to do. >> thank you. thank you. i'm glad that you're taking the opportunity to be a better person. i feel in my heart that you are remorseful. and we all make mistakes. >> hope heals everything.

you get to write the last chapter for my dad. >> dominique, is there anything you'd like to say at this time? >> this is a blessing. this is god's work. and i'm so deeply sorry for what happened because i know i can't bring him back or anything whatsoever, but i can hold this memory to my heart for the rest of my life. >> thank you all for your contributions. >> dominick. >> cool to shake your hand? >> thank you all, dominick. appreciate it. >> thank you. i appreciate it so much. this opportunity. thank you, sir. >> just remember, god loves you, man. he does, okay?

>> yes, sir. >> all right. >> there's no way to prepare for something like this. you got two brothers with different perspectives. you've got dominick supernervous on the front end. dominick sat down. there was an x-ray into his soul and he was composed. he was remorseful. and that gave tremendous relief to both brothers. >> i feel a lot better. i do. it strengthens me to know that there is good. i'm glad this happened. so you want to sing kumbaya or what? >> if i can remember the words. >> dominick is going to have something else to write down on that piece of paper which is hope heals everything. if he can stick with that, he's going to keep moving forward.

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