office to him. and i would question, he tried this in 2018 in the midterms to lean into this issue and i didn't work. why does he believe this will get him re-elected? that is not clear to me. >> gloria, very quickly? >> promises from donald trump. i mean, before the midterms he talked about a new tax cut, which we haven't seen. he's going to talk about rounding up immigrants, about building the wall. he's going to throw everything he can against any wall as he tries to win this election. he's saying he's tried to keep his other promises, the democrats have got in the way. >> thank you very much, friends. for watching this with us and helping us understand it. the news will continues and we'll hand it over to chris right now. "cuomo prime time" starts right now. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." the president is relaunching his re-election bid as we speak. we took some of the rally in the last hour. his plan is obvious, more of us versus them.

and them is basically everybody not in that florida arena, including the media and certainly undocumented immigrants. potus had a new promise of mass arrests, millions in the next week all across america. that won't happen, and that probably doesn't matter. the question is, what is the counter for the democrats? how can they pack the house and the polls? we're going to bring in a senator hoping to face off with the president next year, democrat amy klobuchar is here one of her colleagues in the house, alexandria ocasio-cortez, just set off an outcry accusing the administration of running concentration camps at the border. people are outraged. is it warranted? our great debate. plus, was electing an african-american payback for slavery. the senate majority leader seems to think so. why mitch mcconnell is ripping on reparations. what do you say?

let's get after it. ♪ let's call it more maga or maga 2.0, whatever you want. the amwac center in orlando tonight is filled with a throng of cheering trump supporters as this president tries to generate enthusiasm for his re-election bid. quinnipiac today shows him trailing multiple top democratic candidates in crucial battleground states. but, remember, he was trailing in the polls in key states last time and won. amy klobuchar is trailing too. the senator just unveiled the actions she would take in her first 100 days in office. she joins us now. always good to see you, senator. >> thank you, chris. >> so, one simple question. why don't the democrats pack stadiums the way this president does? >> oh, but we do. we just have a lot of stadiums we're packing at the same time with so many people running. i think you've seen our candidates throughout the years

generate that energy and you certainly saw it in 2018 when we had -- took back the house, made it the people's house again, number of governors' races in key states that we won. a lot of excitement. high voter turnout, young people turning out in a midterm. i am not one bit worried about the excitement on our side. we just have to unite behind a candidate and that's what these debates are all about. >> plans are big with the democrats right now. you're one upping one of your competitors, senator warren. she says she's got a plan for that. you've got a plan for the first 100 days. what's the thinking before putting -- behind putting out this initiative. >> this is about urgency, chris. it's about getting things done immediately and there are a number of things you can do without even worrying about congress. you can, for instance, stop the assault on the affordable care act in terms of pre-existing conditions. i was listening to the president's rally. some of the things you're

saying. you can put that to a stop. you can make sure that the dreamers are protected and stop these court cases that they're bringing. you can sign us into the international climate change agreement on day one and bring back those clean power rules. i list on my website, amyklobuchar.com, about 100 things you can do, over 100, in just the first 100 days. why am i doing this? because i think years of donald trump has worn people down. they want to see action now and i think it's important for people in this country to understand there are things we can do immediately to bring back the heart and strength of this country. >> all right. let's test some of that. look, i think the areas are certainly ripe for discussion and there's certainly need of those issue areas of analysis that you cover. the people should read the plan for themselves. however, how you plan to do it. you have rightly criticized this president for overreaching executive action, many senators, congress members have said you got to take power back.

you've said you're going to be trumpier than trump when it comes to executive action. >> no, i have all respect for congress. with the crisis we're in right now, he shouldn't be talking about anything with iran without going to congress without getting authorization for the use of military force. >> fair point. congress has been giving that power. it would be good for you guys to take it back. we argue that on the show all the time. but you want to sign onto the climate treaty -- >> you can do that. >> we all know you're supposed to have advise and consent. obama was grilled for doing that. >> but you can do that without advise and consent. it's very clear. and i don't think we can wait on your climate. when you look at what's been going on, the flooding in the midwest, rising sea levels, melting ice sheets, we can't wait. forest fires in colorado. other things you can do, close that boyfriend loophole in the gun laws while introducing legislation. you can do the same thing when it comes to health care. you can introduce big bills like

immigration reform while at the same time doing what's in your power to reverse a number of these things that he has done. >> all right. >> and the big takeaway for me from this rally, as you pointed out, is just more and more divisiveness. going after the media. not seeing that the freedom of the press is important as an amendment, as one of your constitutional rights in this country that we have the freedom to assemble, that we have the freedom of the press, that we have the freedom to be able to treat each other as citizens, and he doesn't even do that in terms of how he goes after people of color, how he goes after immigrants. he does it every single day. >> senator, doesn't a return to decency, which i think is what you're talking about, also include, though, a return to compromise? i know some on the left don't like that right now. there is an opposition being carried forth by republicans as well. if you're going to show that

you're better than this president, doesn't that have to include the ability to work with congress and not just unilateral within the executive? >> of course it does and i'm someone, as you know, one of the things i did with this plan was show 100 bills that i passed where i'm the lead democrat and it's everything from drug shortages to work on that, to doing something about getting the $300 million for election security. >> right. >> those are -- >> there's still nothing on that, right, senator? i called a couple of different offices. >> we got that money before the last election and now we're trying to pass the secure elections act which would require backup paper ballots in the 14 states that don't have them. >> any word from mcconnell? >> no word yet after he stopped that bill in its tracks, but the point is i have passed bills. i have worked with congress. i work across the aisle. you have to have results that work for the american people. >> true. >> where you have their back, bringing down pharmaceutical prices. >> true. >> doing something about -- these are -- people come up to

me all the time. they hear the president gloat about the economy and they say, well, what's happening to me? i can't find a bed for my kid who has mental health problems. i can't get my child and their insurance to cover their addiction. i can't -- i'm worried i'm going to be thrown off of my insurance for a pre-existing condition when my child has down syndrome. those are the people of america that are speaking out, that don't believe that everything is as rosy as the president is saying at that rally. those are the mass of people that are going to turn out and vote. >> well, also i think there is something to encouraging the people because you're fighting the good fight. you know, you put forth something that is bipartisan to fix the elections. that is a big deal. i wouldn't let it go just because mitch mcconnell says i'm not putting it on the floor. i'd make a stink about it. >> that's what we're doing this week. >> i think what alexandria ocasio-cortez is talking about at the border, she wants to call them concentration camps, fine, people want to get upset about it? fine.

the reality should be even more upsetting and democrats are not jumping up and down about getting funding for those kids. they say they want to help but then it doesn't happen. i think fighting the good fight matters. sometimes results or not. >> exactly. well, i will say that on the election security, we're going to make a big fight about this. we started today to get it on the defense authorization bill. >> good. >> that money we got last time was 3% of the cost of one air carrier. and as you know, people are working on getting a humanitarian aid -- i'm going to look at the agreement that senator leahy made with senator shelby, but there are strong efforts to help. >> the only reason i push on it, because it's an exigency. i understand that the appropriation season is upon us, but it's not something that can go through the normal process. there's just too much risk for too many down there who are too young. but senator amy klobuchar, you are always welcome on this show to argue your points of merit to the american people. good luck going forward. i'll see you soon. >> thank you very much.

all right. now, look, there's no reason to hide from the facts. it's about understanding what they mean. there's a big crowd for the president. i would actually differ with the senator, i don't think democrats are packing any place the way he is. and size does matter. but we have to look at what matters about the size. there is a lesson to be learned, next. frgs whoooo. did you know the exact same hotel room... ...can have many different prices? that's why tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites to find the lowest price on the hotel you want. your perfect hotel room for the perfect price!

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based on the capacity of the arena in orlando, there's probably 20,000 people at the rally tonight for the president. and that's bigger than what democrats are getting so far to be sure. is the size of the rally suggestive of the 60 million plus votes needed to win the next presidential election? no, maybe not. but it has to mean something. democrats are playing these

little clubs in iowa and new hampshire, donald trump is playing arenas. >> we're draining the swamp. the greatest witch hunt in political history. crooked hillary clinton. no collusion. no obstruction. >> by the way, those words, "no collusion," are nowhere in the mueller report. facts matter. yes, this is a sitting president and the democratic field is largely lesser knowns, but people were lined up for more than a day in the florida heat for this rally tonight. we need to see the disconnect between a rally like tonight and reality. this is the only modern president to never see his popularity hit 50% and yet he has the biggest crowds at his events. he's held almost 60 of these rallies since he took office and it might seem like the only thing he's done more than these rallies is tweet or play golf. now there are lessons in these legions, deep but not wide.

that is the main takeaway. this president has gone for a deep connection and enthusiasm that comes with the kind of thing he is selling. when you divide, you necessarily are cutting off part of your potential support and intensifying the other part. so this president has gone for such intense us versus them that he's boiled down his base to the most a.r. dent and most open to the fear and aggression in his message. first it was about the wall. to keep out the brown menace. then it was lock her up. now it is massive i.c.e. roundups in the millions. all are about a hostility toward a common enemy, us versus them. animated animus that sometimes put potus as an apparent ally with some dark figures. his dependance and stoking by

retweeting right-wing hate pushers is a product of his pandering. while his rivals have to spend their time chasing each other all over the place, he's setting up in florida. he has a challenge, he's not the other this time. he's the status quo. he's no longer change, but what many, many more than fit in that arena may want to see change. hence the fact that he's trailing several top democrats. but he has more money. he has a more established ground game. but he has been stubbornly ignorant to the reality of the business axiom that every entrepreneur knows, grow or die. he lost worse in that election, all across the country, red, blue and purple, bigly, yet while conventional wisdom says this president is making a bad bet bipacking that rally by pandering the things that won't

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democrats and impeachment, you got to keep your eye on the playing field here. most of the democrats pushing for impeachment are in relatively safe blue districts.

that's why you have a relative minority, about a quarter of the caucus is in that position. and polls so far do not have a majority of you out in the country in favor of the move, but you do have about 2/3 of republicans in polls saying they are in favor of the move. my next guest is making a move of her own. california's katie porter is the first democrat ever elected in her district. congresswoman, good to have you back on "prime time." >> thank you. >> so why the shift? why is impeachment the right move? >> so, this is for me really about taking the time to wait for special counsel mueller to do his investigation, to issue his report and then to have the opportunity to read the report and study the constitution, to talk with colleagues, and having done all of that, i've come to the conclusion that based on the facts in the mueller report, which are that president trump engaged in at least four acts of

obstruction of justice there's substantial evidence that he engaged in those four acts, i felt like it's appropriate to begin an impeachment inquiry. >> but you can't remove him from office, so you will leave the people who want this unsatisfied and there's political risk, especially for you, in at best a purple district. why do it? play it safe. >> i didn't come to washington, d.c. to make the easy decisions. i came to make the right ones. and there may or may not be political consequences to supporting this impeachment inquiry, but that's not my job. my job is to do what's right. it's to weigh the evidence, read the facts, understand the law, and then it's to do what those things require. so we don't know what the future is going to hold in terms of the political consequences of this. but i know i did my job in terms of analyzing the situation. >> okay. so do your job but do it the way you're doing it now. you have legitimate oversight. you got about a dozen different investigations and committees looking at it. let it work this way. go through the courts when you have to and you get to the same result, you did your job. why not that way?

>> look, i think that it's important when we have substantial evidence from the special counsel that the president of the united states broke the law four times, four counts of obstruction of justice, and then that president at each and every turn has continued to obstruct congress' oversight, that for me was a very important factor. so because he's not -- he's directed people not to appear. we have subpoenas that have been ignored. we've had to hold people in contempt. and so this continued pattern of obstructing justice is very trouble, and i think it's important that the president understand that these are serious charges, that the evidence against him is substantial and that we are serious about doing our duty to the constitution and the american people. >> so impeachment inquiry or are you all ready for articles of impeachment? >> i'm at the time where it's time to start an impeachment inquiry. and i think that when the time comes to make a decision about whether to impeach, i'll be

ready to do that. >> all right. so as a matter of conscience, you must do your duty this way. good, let's see if you apply the same rational to another issue. i don't understand democrats jumping on the opportunity to show they have heart and not just harshness when it comes to the border. and help the kids. alexandria ocasio-cortez says the president is keeping kids in concentration camps. is that the wrong term to use? >> i think that the terminology can cause people to react very strongly. obviously, it's an important and sad part of this world's history that we had the holocaust. and concentration camps. but the reality is throughout the world's history we have had this kind of unlawful extrajudicial detention and that is what's happening at our border. what i would ask the american people to do is to focus on what is happening, not on the term that's applied to it. and i think the stories that we're hearing about families being ripped apart, about children that are continuing to be missing, about the lack of

basic medical care and health conditions at the border are extremely troubling for this nation, and i think it's time for us to begin to push very, very hard to change the conditions at the border. >> why has it taken so long to get help that dhs has been begging you for for months? >> well, the congress has allocated resources to dhs and also additional resources for border security, but this is also about how the executive branch gets its job done and what it's doing. some of the president's actions, frankly, things like withdrawing aid from central america, making statements that our borders are closed to everyone, that the country is full, has had the effect of actually ratcheting up the number of folks at the border. and so he's actually been making the situation more difficult for dhs. his own administration to respond to. >> fair point. but he doesn't control the purse strings. although you could argue he does somewhat with his emergency declaration and he doesn't want to use that declaration to this point to help with the actual

accomodation issues down there but you can, and i still don't understand why the democrats don't see opportunity in this. he is the harsh guy when it comes to the border. you heard him tonight. build the fence. keep them out. pull the money. throw them out. g get i.c.e. harshness as strength. i don't see why the democrats haven't taken the opportunity to say, here, take more money. >> i think it's very difficult to trust that the president and his administration will do what the money is appropriated for, and we've seen this before with this president time and time again. we've made appropriations and then he's gone and not used the money. so, you know, my first days in congress where a government shutdown in which the president was shutting down the government and hurting workers and hurting americans, saying he wanted money for a border wall when he hadn't even spent the allocated money that he had been given. so i think this president has to do his part and we have to rebuild trust between congress and the president. and when the president's saying

things publicly like he's not going to cooperate with congress on issues like infrastructure and prescription drug pricing because of the mueller report, it's very difficult to have that kind of trusted relationship. >> what would you set as a timeline in your understanding right now about when something will happen to help those kids? >> so we are continuing to work at on appropriations, as you know. i think that the number of members who are traveling to the border to visit things themselves as we're learning more, i know we're working very hard to come up with something, but each day, frankly, and each kid who is hurt or damaged or separated from their family, who is sick, lives are being lost and it's really important that we honor our best tradition in this country of treating those who arrive at this country seeking shelter in accordance with the law and in accordance with our international obligations. >> katie porter, since i have gotten to know you here in your new role as member of congress, i have admired your sense of purpose and the integrity that brought you to the task.

we will be watching to see what you do on these important matters and i appreciate you coming on to discuss this latest move with us tonight. good luck to you. >> thank you so much. all right. so you just heard us talking about alexandria ocasio-cortez, she's not backing down. even though that was an inflammatory term, she says she's sticking by it. she said she actually defines it a little differently than others may but she's taking heat. all right. a new response from her and we'll use it as the start of a great debate. next. whoooo.

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congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez once again drawing the ire of the right with these remarks. take a listen. >> the united states is running concentration camps on our southern border. and that is exactly what they are. they are concentration camps. i want to talk to the people that are concerned enough with humanity to say that we should not -- that never again means something. >> all right. so here's the issue. is she right in defining

concentration camps? yes, but do they have a feeling of usage stained with what happened with the nazis and the genocide of the jews, yes, and that's why it's a great debate. angela rye and steve cortes. steve cortes, with the new definition from her. i say concentration camps because that's how they are defined internationally. that's what these are. i'm not equating with the stigma of the nazis and the jews. leave that part aside. satisfied? >> no. that's a ridiculous excuse for a couple of reasons. we know what the connotation of concentration camps is. if we went on the streets and asked 100 people, 99 would give us a devfinition that relates t naziism. and she demeaned the victims of that horrific tragedy. she also defined by, by the way,

the american soldiers that smashed the evil perpetrators of that human tragedy. and i would also add this, she also demeans the current american citizens, many of whom are hispanic, who do the very hard and dangerous work of guarding our border. she equated them by association to nazi ss guards and that is disgraceful. aoc should apologize and probably resign. >> one point of pushback before i get to you, angela. you did not have similar problems with the phrase america first or the word nationalist, which is equally stained. >> no. >> yes, as a matter of fact, but why doesn't it bother you the same way. >> you and i have had this discussion many times about nationalism. i totally disagree that it is a stained word. >> you may but you are wrong. >> no, i'm not wrong. you don't get to define what nationalism means for me -- >> yes, i do. nationalism has been used almost -- >> there is a definition. >> steve, let me know what movement defined itself as

nationalism that was positive and not oppressive to another. >> american nationalism and it was -- >> there is no american nationalism. >> -- that landed on the shores. yes there is. american nationalism has nothing to do with race, it's not blood and soil, it's about our shared ideals, our constitution, our flag, our beliefs. >> i know what you want it to be. it's called patriotism. but angela, to you on this now. it is a loaded term. and was it the right one to use? >> so what i think is so important, chris, is so often as we do in these great debates, i think it's critical that we define it. i am a kid, as a point of privilege, i had a set of encyclopedias, they were orange, a set of encyclopedias that i loved to read. i pulled the encyclopedia definition of concentration

camps and i'd like to share it for your viewers. center for political prisons who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. and to that end they are concentration camps at the border. to that end, whether we call them concentration camps or we call them detention, they are problematic. to that end, when you talk about a frog being put in a boiling pot of hot water, the frog will immediately jump out, but if the frog is put in a pot of cold water and you turn up the heat, i'm going somewhere, it will die, it will die. and what i'm saying to you is today we sat through this president calling mexicans drug dealers and rapists at the beginning of this campaign. today we sat through him talking about build that wall and heard all these chants and we want from rage, outrage to disgust to dismay to it's a shame. and i am telling you that we are irresponsible at this point. that whether we call them concentration camps or not, her

point remains and the right is threatened by alexandria ocasio-cortez because she tells the truth whether they can digest it or not. and our bottom line here is there is an inhumane crisis happening at the southern border and it is because of how these people look. it is because of differences. because there is a fear that white people are losing their power in this country. that is the bottom line. it is white fear. that is what is driving this. it is racism at its core. it is what the foundation of this country -- >> let's let steve respond. >> the foundation of what this country is built upon. period. >> first of all, that's completely untrue. >> that might be your perspective but do not call what i said untrue. it's the encyclopediabu, sir. >> as we have shamefully done in the past with american citizens of japanese descent, then i would agree with you. these are not american citizens. what the nazis did was take german citizens, dragged them out of their homes, stripped

them of citizenship -- >> you're going to justify this by what citizenship these people had? that's sick, steve. that's sick. >> we have foreign citizens who are trespassing into the united states overwhelmingly for economic reasons, and we know that to be true historically and presently because the director of i.c.e. just told us 90% are not showing up for their asylum hearings. they are not legitimate refugees. they're economic migrants who have decided on their own how -- when and how they can become american citizens and that's not the right way and it's not about race. my father came here the legal way and when he became an american, he didn't suddenly become white. he was still hispanic. but he was an american citizen. and it is not racist and not xenophobic for this country to determine the processes to become a legal american citizen. >> i'm sorry. let me tell you something. now, i don't know when we decided that a humanitarian crisis could be defined whether or not someone is carrying a green card or whether or not someone has their papers, but i'm going to tell you this, before we are american, we are

human beings, and it is not okay -- it is a damn shame what is happening at this border, and the fact that you're going to justify it by economics, let me just tell you, there are a whole lot of people making a whole lot of money by having these people in detention centers. we want to shift the attention, as we should, off of mass incarceration of black and brown people in this country, but now those moneys are being transferred into detaining migrants at the border. it is a crisis, steve. it is not okay just because they don't have their papers. i hope -- >> listen -- >> that at some point you wrestle with your conscience and get to the right side of this. sir, you are on the wrong side of history. >> i concur it's a crisis. >> in 1933 there were concentration camps, in 1941 they were death camps. that is where we are going if your consciences are not quickly pierced. do not laugh it off. >> let me tell you who agrees with me about asylum, barack obama. this is what he said in 2014, and i'm quoting. >> you guys are the kings of red

herrings. >> refugee status is not granted just on economic need or because a family lives in a bad neighborhood or poverty. end quote. >> look, there is no question -- >> asylum status -- >> there is no question about that. the obama administration wrestled with the same problems -- hold on a second. we've been wrestling with this problem for 30 years. it's like a new parlor game. anybody you want to go to in any era, we've been fighting about these same issues, but you've always wound up coming to a same crisis point which is, okay, we got to reform the rules. congress never gets to that there's a million reasons why. most of them are bad. but the emergency comes on how you treat the humanity. in 2014 we went nuts what was going on with the unaccompanied minors during the obama administration because it was wrong. they didn't have the resources set up. they didn't have the right procedures and these kids weren't being treated the right way and we said never again, and now we're right back here. and the one thing that i think should unite you guys is you all say this is wrong, what's happening at the border, and not

a damn thing has been done by either side to fix it. the left says we don't trust them to spend the money the right way and they won't give us the protections to take care of the kids the right way and the right says the democrats don't want to do anything. and the president says even though i have an emergency declaration and i can now loosen some purse strings, i only want to use it for the fence. don't forget, my sell is being harsh on these people. doesn't that sicken you, steve? something you admit as wrong and identify on one level as an ethnic is being ignored by your own party as part of this problem? >> no, listen, i don't think we're ignoring it at all. >> what has been done? >> i love legal immigration. >> mcaleenan keeps asking for money and you guys have not put anything forward. mcconnell won't even put it on the floor. >> look, i'm not answering for mcconnell. >> the hell you're not. he's in your party. you're here to defend the

administration. >> that means i answer for him? i don't answer for him. by the way, paul ryan when he was speaker should have done something, and i will say to the gop's great discredit when they controlled both houses they did not address immigration and they should have, and i believe it's one of the reasons we lost in 2018. >> and when you guys had both houses, you didn't do a damn thing about it either except put all your money behind the fence that doesn't help -- >> i just said much to their discredit. but here's the thing. let's get back to aoc, where we started. >> oh, now you want to get back to the topic. >> to equate us with nazis because we believe in border control. if her logic holds, then barack obama who deported more than all other presidents combined. >> remember that. the next time the president says he's gotten rid of more people than anybody, remember the opposite is true. remember when it comes to enforcing the law, steve, this president is nowhere near to being close to the last administration. what he's done is encouraged a flow we see right now.

i got to leave it there. angela rye, steve cortes, both of you go home with this, neither side has fixed a problem that everybody acknowledges is happening. we got to do better than this. quite a week for mitch mcconnell. i know they say next week it's going to get done. why the hell did it take so long? now he's taking on advocates for 9/11 victims, the issue of reparations with slavery. imagine if i brought that up with those two debaters. we have a controversy we're going to take up with d. lemon, next. be done... and stay done. behr, ranked #1 in customer satisfaction with interior paints. great paint, new low price. starting at $24.98. exclusively at the home depot. be right back. with moderate to severe crohn's disease, i was there, just not always where i needed to be. is she alright? i hope so. so i talked to my doctor about humira.

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responsible for that. >> d. lemon, does the reasoning hold up to you? >> i just -- i feel like i don't want to even discuss how simple-minded his assessment is of that. i mean, to say that no one who is alive is dealing with that. okay, that's an argument or that's an excuse that a lot of people use, but no one minds taking advantage of the benefits that they got from slavery and from jim crow. so if you don't -- maybe you should give back some of your wealth. maybe you should give back your grandfather's college degree, your great, great grandfather's land that you were given and on and on and on. yeah, people weren't there but people reaped the benefits from it, and that is the whole point of the matter. and social programs are not reparations. he is conflating the two and, again, misleading the american people, as has so often been done, especially within the last couple of years.

his argument is simple-minded, it's stupid. i would say it's -- it comes from a position of privilege and probably one of bigotry as well. >> there is a suggestion from some that he seemed to be saying, we gave you obama, shut up. >> maybe he should have worked with obama. if he was so happy about having the first african-american president, or the first black president of the united states, and he thought that was in some way a reparation, maybe he should have been more willing to work with the first black president of the united states if his words really -- >> although in fairness you remember how upset mitch mcconnell was at even the suggestion of the birther movement and how he came out and said this is wrong and it shouldn't be going on. not making that up. to your word, even if you want to adopt that we saw this as progress, we saw this as somehow penance for the original sin to extend his own metaphor, they tried to sabotage obama, he did it personally and people on his

side of the aisle did it collectively. >> and he's still the biggest apologist and water carrier for the leader of the birther movement, which is this current president right now. listen, and speaking muof reparations, speaking of the debts owed to people of color in this country, a descendant of robert e. lee's going to be on to explain to us how he feels about reparations. and the answer may surprise you. will be on in just a bit. also we're going to talk about the central park 5. we've assembled a group to talk about the central park 5 and how this president is saying oh, it's a both sides issue. and you remember where he stood on that. we talked about that sunday when you were at my house. >> reminiscent. good people on both sides. another ugly situation that he's trying to make a moral equivalence on. don, that's some good booking. i'll see you tonight. >> see you. >> so donald trump. not president then. called for the execution of the central park 5.

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central park 5. don't roll your eyes. it's relevant for two reasons. you have this new netflix series on the case. and it's highlighted the injustice and the indiscretion of our president. the case captured a city's fear of rampant crime in gotham. as a young new yorker i was alive then. i was very aware of the widespread violence in the '80s. and we were collectively afraid. i had a sister who was mugged twice. she believes by the same man. burned with a cigarette. terrible. i remember my brother flying in

the direction of where it happened praying he would come back and i was hearing stories like this all the time. so the city was afraid. the president, then concerned citizen, saw opportunity in the animus. and he went all in trying to make a name for himself in the incident in 1989. he it can out a full-page ad in the "times." and this was not a man looking to spend money that way on the regular. bring back the death penalty. bring back our police. who did he want the death penalty for? these five black and latino teenage boys. he tapped into a lot of fear and anger that was very real. sound familiar? it was a horrible rape that actually happened. in the park at night. it was part of this criminal phenomenon at the time called wilding. groups of thugs preying on innocents. a young woman almost died in this horrible sex crime. the facts were damning. the boys were accused of attacking other male joggers that same night. they confessed to doing that.

they confessed to raping this young woman. they were tried. they were convicted. the problem was it was wrong. prosecutors knew at the time that none of their dna matched the victim. dna was early in its use in these trials. today maybe it would be different. maybe, maybe not. the central park 5 claim the confessions were coerced. products of duress over many hours with teenagers. but they were all in jail for years. one for more than a decade. but then what happened? the man who actually raped the woman confessed. how do we know it was him? a dna match from the victim. he never implicated the boys. he said he acted alone. a judge vacated the convictions. and years of civil suits followed. but still, despite all that new information, the president today said this. >> you have people on both sides of that. they admitted their guilt. if you look at linda fairstein and you look at some of the prosecutors, they think that the

city should never have settled that case. so we'll leave it at that. >> no, we will not. because that is leaving it at prejudice. there are people on both sides here. but one side was wrong. maybe intentionally so. maybe not. but here's what we know. the boys didn't do it. the dna doesn't lie. and i know that absence of evidence of dna does not necessarily mean that you weren't there. i get it. i know all about it. but the judge vacated the decisions. antron mccray, kevin richardson, yusuf salam, raymond santana, corey wise. the judge says they didn't do it. people lie. dna does not. the dna that was there belonged to none of them. it did belong to a man named reyes who admitted to the crime alone. i iterate the facts because those are the facts. and i say today there certainly would have been a different process because of the strength of dna value.

but we can't be sure because there's still a problem with prosecutions that produce wrong outcomes, especially when we're talking about black and brown young men. the president says he's all about law and order. that's why i make this argument. so he's all about law and order but he's going to cling to a proven injustice. and while the case against the prosecutors for prejudice was hard to may, it was never made, they settled the case, the one against the man who is now president was made by his own words. in this op-ed in 2014, the man who would eventually be president actually wrote that even if they didn't do this they didn't have the past of angels. that is as a matter of fact prejudice. and so, on this day, the president relaunches his pursuit of office. he doubles down on this erroneous sense of justice. he won't admit he was wrong about the central park 5 despite the facts. as we prepare to pick a new set of leaders, it's not just what the candidates say and do now that matters. character is for