but, you know, there's no firm date yet. >> drew griffin with the latest from washington. drew, thank you. thanks to awful you for joining us this hour. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. thanks, erica. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day. president trump's big kickoff rally makes clear four more years would be four familiar years. also, a long list of grievances and a long list of statements that flunk a fact check plus longtime trump comfortable darnts hope hicks behind close doored on capitol hill. they want to know about hush payments and lawyers assert most are protected by privilege and should reparations be paid to the descendants of slaves? the house committee holds a hearing that would study options

and a 2020 democratic hopeful is among the witnesses. >> i believe right now today we have a historic opportunity to break the silence, to speak to the ugly past and talk constructively about how we will move this nation forward. >> back to that story in a bit. we begin with a star witness on capitol hill. a new detail about her changing relationship with the president she once called boss man. hope hicks was as close to candidate and president trump as one can be and she's behind closed doors right now as house democrats press for details about trump hush money payments to two women, and she was central to many in the mueller report most notably a conversation between president trump and donald trump jr. as how to spin that meeting with the russians promising dirt on hillary clinton. she knows a lot. more than most. word today she isn't sharing much. manu raja is tracking the

latest. what do we know? >> reporter: the beginning of the hearing did not go particularly well at least in the eyes of democrats because there were objections that were voiced by the white house attorneys in the room saying that she would not answer questions about her time while serving the white house saying that she's covered by immunity protecting those matters that occurred in the white house. democrats left at that point not happy saying this is unacceptable warning they would go to court to fight to get answers to those questions which include some of the allegations that were detailed in the mueller report about the president allegedly seeking to undermine the special counsel's investigation allegedly trying to fire the special counsel, firing of james comey among the topics they would not broach and about where her office was in the wing either and if she testified before the special counsel truthfully but has answered questions, i am told, about her time on the campaign

trail, something not covered by any privilege or claims of immunity. the question, though, is whether or not it's enough information that democrats would ultimately be satisfied, but, john, full details about what she said behind closed doors, because the public transcript will be released in potentially within 48 hours about everything that she said behind closed doors, but at the moment they're still there in hour three and this could go all day. we'll see ultimately what she reveals to the committee, john. >> look forward to seeing the transcript and following the reporting throughout the day. man new raju live on capitol hill. that separation from trump world is changing what was once constant interaction with the president and with his inner circle and kaitlan collins has more. >> reporter: she's returning to a different washington with democrats in charge of the house but also 15 months later after she left the white house as a communications director we're

learning about a very dramatic shift in her relationship with the president himself. our sources said she was in near constant conversation with not only when he was in office but also on the campaign trail but now that she has moved to the west coast she has this new job at fox we're told that she and the president rarely speak anymore. they went through this period after she left the white house where she had moved to new york, was trying to live a little bit of a quieter life but when she moved across the united states essentially the distance between the two of them grew and stopped speaking nearly as often as they had before when hope hicks when she worked at the white house would not often leave the white house because she always wanted to be within earshot of trump. now we're told sometime last year she stopped returning several of the president's calls leading the president to ask people what happened to hope? now, john, to be clear we're told this doesn't signify any change in the way she fees, we're told she still is on his side but does give you some revealing add pects of someone that the president used to speak with so often and that is why democrats wanted to get in front

of them today because she was not only his most trusted confidant but there for several key events but seeing how things changed her and the president now that she's back here in washington. >> kaitlan collins live at the white house. you saw the scrum on capitol hill. hope hicks leaving the committee room. we'll keep track of that. there we see -- keep these pictures up as she walks down the hall and listen for a minute. >> why not answer the committee's questions? [ inaudible question ] >> will you answer questions -- [ inaudible question ] [ laughter ] >> sorry. >> all right. miss hicks and her lawyers making their way into the hall and another holding room. see if the committee continues. probably a lunch break and we'll keep track. with me in the studio, michael

sheer of "the new york times" and vivian salami. candidate trump, early days of president trump. no one who had as mnuchin access and proximity he relied on to bounce ideas off, to talk to. what is the significance of hope hicks talking to house democrats? are they cleaning this up or expect something new? >> i think -- i mean, it is incredibly significant that she's even there. to think back during the campaign as mike knows very well, she ironed his pants. she created his messages. i don't mean anything odd. that's how close she was to him and continued into the white house. they clearly were trying to, you know, find new information from her time at the white house. she's not saying anything about that but there are, you know, things that she saw during the campaign and the transition particularly that trump tower meeting, back to june of 2016. very surprised if she would say

anything new or damaging about the president but she clearly wants to cooperate. you saw the smile on her face. how we often saw her at the white house. very pleasing and accommodating but protective of her boss, president trump and i think she still is regardless of how much she talks. >> he clearly is paying attention as she continues the conversation tweeting the dems are unhappy with the mueller report and want a redo, a do-over and they bring back hope hicks. why aren't they looking at the 33,000 emails, familiar will, rigged hearings, a disgrace to our country. the president has said several times when hope hicks has been in the news, when there's been something about her, that is when we see him get more angry. more interested. >> part of the thing about hope hicks is the informality of his -- of her relationship with the president, right? there's so many of the other people in the white house, white house counsel, if you're somebody that's got an official position, cabinet secretary, you interact in a formalized way,

less show than in previous ones but have a structure on your relationship with the president. that's not -- that wasn't the case with hope. hope was there interacting with him in such an informal kind of way, just kind of stream of consciousness at all times. the proximity, the funny thing about her not describing where her office was is that her office was so close, you know, in proximity to him and that actually has some meaning in the white house, you know, the sort of where you are physically located matters and i think, you know, the idea that the democrats had was that they could, you know, potentially get information that they couldn't get from people in a more structured way. >> the question is can they get more from her or do they just want to corroborate things she told robert mueller. here's something, pages 105, 106, one of the ten obstructive acts. on three occasions the president directed hicks and others not to publicly disclose information

about the june 9, 2016 meeting between senior campaign officials and a russian own. on june 29 hicks warned the president that the emails setting up the june 9 meeting were bad and the story would be massive when it broke but the president told her and kushner, quote, leave it alone. so she is central to one of the ten counts that robert mueller said not my decision to make, but if you wanted to make an obstruction case here's a road map. >> she's definitely central. her being in front of the committee is a reminder while it's a major coup to have her show up how far house democrats have to investigate aspects of the mueller report and so many other things about this add manager because she is not answering "question of the day"s about her time in the administration, the house judiciary committee has struggled to get don mcgahn before the committee. others have had so many struggles securing the tax returns, so there's going to be a point where house democrats will really reach their boiling point and say, all right, we are

moving forward with impeachment proceedings, nancy pelosi is clearly trying to control that but you're seeing some of that anger come from house democrats about hope's unwillingness. >> to agree to do it behind closed doors. she's the former white house communications director, someone at the president's side and throughout the days in question during the presidency early on you want her on camera. what do you know about the trump tower meeting? did the president tell his son to lie about the trump tower meeting? what do you know about the payments to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. they want tlad on camera. only way she would come in is behind closed doors. >> the president, evening in his previous life as a businessman used nondisclosure agreements with most of his staff so sensitive thing for him because he knows hope hicks had access most people did not and the fear for him and the anxiety for him she would go out and be compelled to now reveal things about him he doesn't want out there. but the bigger picture also is that the president has other issues and with congress

particularly where he's been angry about them undermining his authority in general so you have this issue of executive privilege where the president believes he can ask them not to comply with any subpoenas or orders to testify but actually from a legal perspective, there isn't that much precedent on this and especially when you're dealing with someone now a private citizen like hope hicks, like don mcgahn, all of them now in their capacity as private citizens there isn't that much precedent as far as what the executive branch policy requires and so that's where a lot of this turmoil and a lot of this debate comes. >> this debate may continue in the courts for several years as the democrats press their case and hold the lines of privilege could be redrawn or clarified. you mentioned nancy pelosi. she spoke again this morning. we're up to the mid-60s, 235 house democrats so at 26%, 27%, not quite 69 i'm told, thank you so much.

27% of the house democratic caucus is not a pressure point yet but listen to speaker pelosi this morning and have to listen every time this comes up. is she shifting a little bit? >> the timing is now on possible impeachment. we'll see but every day the president puts more grounds forward that says he is obstructing justice and that's what has atexted members. they're like self-evident he is obstructs justice and ignoring subpoenas. i think people still want to see the underlying but as we see what comes out in this less redacted mueller report that may affect the timing. we'll see. >> may affect the timing. we'll see and said at that breakfast she didn't see censures and options. if you have the goods you should impeach him. is she just biding time or opening the door a little bit? >> she is the smartest kind of politician and understands if she is perceived by her constituency as being immovable,

standing in exactly the same place no matter what that builds the pressure, that bills pressure to the point where it could explode on her but by moving slightly here and there, shifting constantly kind of, you know, reacting in ways that give the caucus the sense that she isn't an immovable object on this, she's just not there yet. she bides time and ultimately i mean you know as sungman said, it may be this is inevitable and caves at some point but she is doing the smart -- she's doing it the smartest way possible to kind of give herself that cover and that time. >> exactly. nancy pelosi is a smart politician and careful with her words. that we'll see and letting the steam out but, again, you have more and more house democrats even house democrats who won

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the house judiciary committee is today holding a hearing on a bill proposed by one of its members that would make amends for america's original sin. >> hr-40 is, in fact, is, in fact, the response of the united states of america long overdue. slavery is the original sin. slavery has never received an apology. i just simply ask why not? and why not now? >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee's bill would form a commission to study the reparations issue and recommend potential courses of action. one high-profile witness, senator cory booker who is offering similar legislation across in the senate. >> we as a nation have not yet truly acknowledged and grappled with racism and white supremacy that tainted the country's

founding. it's about time we find the common ground and common purpose to deal with the ugly past. >> reparations is a frequent topic out on the 2020 trail. some disagreement over what exactly should be done. >> i believe it's time to start the national full-blown conversation about reparations. [ applause ] >> as a result of the legacy of slavery you have massive levels of inequality. it has to be addressed and depends what the word means. >> this country should address slavery, the original sin of slavery including by looking at reparations. >> senator, yes or no, do you support financial reparations? >> i support we study that. we should study that and see. >> jesse holland joins our conversation. the house democrats have power now. >> right. >> so they can advantage the bill in the house. the bill would study the issue, it doesn't say pay this or decide who gets paid or how much they get paid or where the money

would come from. will that even advance or does the republican senate say, no thanks. >> it's no question of the republican senate passing this bill. no one is under any illusion that senator mitch mcconnell will let this bill through the senate. even if it does it would be vetoed by president donald trump but the importance of the hearing is it's been almost a decade before the house has even talked about this issue is being pushed forward by the democratic candidates on the trail and had that great essay done by mr. coates and this is a minor step but still an important step because this hasn't even been talked about in congress for awhile. >> coming in the middle of a presidential campaign early in the new house democratic agenda. we'll see where it goes from here. public opinion polling, interesting, fox news poll from april, overall americans, 6 in 10 still oppose the idea of paying cash reparations to the descendants of slaveses but 54%

of democrats support it so with 23 candidates this is going to be a conversation perhaps even next week when we have the first debates. >> well, i think that's kind of split polling indicates the careful position that democratic presidential candidates have had to take on this issue which is why you heard a lot saying they're opening to studying the issue and having a conversation but they're kind of gauging how it plays in the overall national discourse but it's clearly a very important conversation to have and underscores just how much the issues of racial equality, racial justice have played so far. >> but the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell republican of kentucky says no. >> i don't think reparations for something that happened 150 years ago for whom none of us currently living are responsible is a good idea. we have you know tried to deal with our original sin of slavery by fighting a civil war and

passing landmark legislation and elected an african-american president. >> that earned him blowback that the country elected an african-american president to somehow pay back for slavery as opposed to electing him because the best candidate that -- >> that solves everything and, of course, barack obama who served in the senate with mitch mcconnell tried to block him at every turn so senator mcconnell also up for re-election in kentucky and might have been thinking with that hat on but the fact that this conversation is happening now, it is extraordinary, it's something that senator obama never brought up or supported as a senator as a president. at the very beginning until the end of his time, sort of changes -- but this is not that bold of a move that's going on. yi, i would say it is progress that is being discussed but no candidate is out there saying, you know, let's absolutely do this. let's study the issue so sort of

the political version of a blue ribbon commission if you will. no one is leading the charge on this. >> even that's important. not known for being subtle. she's just not. i don't say that as a compliment. i guess in the day but she says also's have a commission. she's not saying here's how much it's going to cost. in the middle the democratic front-runner joe biden said something at a fund-raiser that isinsensitive. he said i was in the caucus with james o. eastland. he never called me boy. he always called me son and brought up a deceased georgia senator, a guy like herman talmadge, you go down the list of these guy, guess what, at least there was some civility. we got things done. those were two racist members of the united states senate. why? >> joe biden is trying to make the argument that, you know, people can work with those they disagree with but i'm told by a couple of advisers to the former

vice president that he's been urged and asked and cautioned and warned to not use these segregationist senators as examples. it adds to the already sort of high burden he's trying to make to modernize himself and using the word boy. i normally doesn't use that word. he said i wasn't given the respect -- he was a white united states senator. he, you know, the fact that james eastland, a noted racist called him a boy, okay, that's insensiti insensitive. >> if you remember that -- get in real trouble trying to go back and reference older -- that's what lost trent lott his senate majority leader when he tried to praise strom thurman at the capitol. joe biden has to be careful about his memories. it can cost him a lot. >> see if he wants to clean it up as he's dealing with blowback and deservedly so among the new york major bill de blasio.

eastland thought multi-racial families should be illegal and that whites were entitled -- i'm not going to read the rest. we'll see if the former vice president has second thoughts. the re-election campaign sounding very familiar from the president.

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president's re-election campaign now officially under way. it's new and yet oddly familiar. the signs and slogans might be new, the calendar night may 2019 but he cued up a long list of his greatest hits from the first run for the white house. >> the individual mandate on obamacare, one of the worst things anybody has had to live through. the democrat agenda of open borders is morally reprehensible. people are pouring in. our immigration laws are a disgrace. many times i said we would drain the swamp and that's exactly what we're doing right now. we're draining the swamp. so if you want to shut down the rigged system once and for all then show up november 3rd. >> the president did tout his achievements, booming economy judiciary confirmation and a lot of deregulation but he invested morally time and morally energy

in stoking familiar fears and grievances, fake news, radical left wing democrats. calling it a whopping success. it says the president and the republican party hauled in, get this, $24.8 million in just 24 hours. so the campaign organization which is bigger, stronger, more professional now got what it wanted, the money. listening to the president could have closed your eyes and gone back four years. >> well, the irony is that we're talking about draining swamp but a big part of why he was able to accumulate that is the rnc is more on board versus what they were -- you know, 2016 where he was really struggling to get that support from the establishment which he has so loathed so that is a big reason why. it's a double-edged sword because on the one hand he's getting the funding but the same people he doesn't want to be associated with. >> will it work? >> he's running as an outsider

anti-establishment. he's been president for 2 1/2 years. he will be president for two months shy of four years. so he complains against a rigged system. he's the president. he complains against a washington that doesn't work for the first two years. they had full republican control of everything. will it work? >> if democrats think is won't, they're wrong. the reality is it does work with his base for sure. the question is, does it work for people in the middle. he talks about the judicial appointments tlachlt is of top concern to many, many voters who otherwise would not be voting for him and give him a moment's look but like what he has done to the courts. on regulations and tax cuts so it would be a fool's errands for democrats to say, oh, that same old song won't work. we don't know. what is happening sort of behind the scenes of these rallies, so important, in central florida, in orlando, in orange county which he lost they were collecting information and data.

that's what they're spending own mon building a world class establishment campaign. he, of course, is trying to run from the outside. it's a discordant but at this point it would be impossible for any democrat to fill a room like he did last night. >> striking listening to him. a lot was familiar but as a guy who remembers when the gennifer flowers allegations were threatening bill clinton donald trump thinks his critics are coming after him. the connection between they're after me because i'm trying to help you from the president last night. >> our radical democrat opponents are driven by hatred, prejudice and rage. they want to destroy you. they tried to erase your vote. erase your legacy of the greatest campaign and the greatest election probably in the history of our country. they tried to take away your dignity and your destiny. but we will never let them do that, will we?

>> again, the fact check machine will break in the sense they tried to take away your vote. it was the republican appointee who named the special counsel, what the president is referring to. but he normally makes things about him. that's a more clever loyal foil to say they're coming after me because i'm trying to represent you. >> right, and in some ways he offered a lot of the same grievance-filled messages when he was running in 2016 but he couldn't personalize it the way he can now because now he's been president and the target of everything is him and so he amplifies that same message. i think jeff is totally right, though, because when you think about whatever message donald trump runs as president on and there's no reason to believe that anything is going to change dramatically between now and the next 18 months they are overlaying what he did in 2016 with an incredible amount of stuff they didn't have then. money, resources, data, you

know, an entire operation, republican operation that was so kind of hesitant about him in the general election last time and now is anything but and so i mean to underestimate, i mean, sure, the message might be stale somewhat and the rally yesterday felt a little stale, felt like what we've seen for the last, you know, 2 1/2 years not to mention the campaign before but, boy, there's really a big difference between now and then. >> one other important thing to add and that is vetting. they're vetting people who are joining the campaign, helping them out, that was absent in 2016, so problematic to them in the future. >> i thought it was interesting the framing of how he was framing his personal struggles in the russia investigation and reminded back in 2016 when hillary clinton's campaign used the phrase i'm with her. he kind of turned that on its head and said i'm with you and resonated with his supporters. >> dancing with the ones who brung him.

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major foe kufts president's rally last night. he says democrats are obstructing efforts to pass better, tougher immigration laws and either he forgets or just wants you to forget the republicans controlled both chambers of congress for the first two years of his presidency. >> we'll elect a republican congress to create a safe, modern and lawful system of immigration. it will be a system of immigration that strengthens our country, upholds our values and protects our way of life. >> remember, he had republican congress for two full year, house and senate. take a listen here to how build the wall expectations seem to be morphing a little bit. >> the wall is moving along. it's moving along rapidly. it's beautiful. i changed the design. it's stronger, bigger, better and cheaper. [ cheers and applause ]

cheaper. a lot cheaper. you he know, sometimes when they don't give you the money you have to make it cheaper. not going to happen but it's going well. >> again, the fact check machines would break sometimes. they're building some new wall, most of what they've done so far is renovating existing wall but the president would have you believe that the wall is marching across the border. >> yeah, it's not. i mean, i expect somehow that the bill -- that if the chant had been renovate that wall back in 2016 it probably wouldn't have worked quite as well. >> rolls off the tongue. >> but, you know, you know, he is a master at trying to change reality when the reality doesn't work for him and what he's been trying to do, you know, for a long time now but it has accelerated recently on the immigration front is to kind of

deny the facts on the ground. to deny that the wall isn't really built and to try to claim that it is being built and to sort of, you know, claim that's got this big immigration he has a big immigration plan when in fact there's no comprehensive overhaul that anybody on capitol hill, republican, democrat, house, senate, nobody thinks there's anything really marching through. >> but this is the fascinating question to me and the defining question of the race. again, i asked earlier in the program. can he pull it off? he has been president. he will be president just shy of four years by the time people vote next november, and he makes it as if we need to pass immigration laws. he had a republican house two years. the democrats disagree. he doesn't have enough votes in the senate. he had to have a compromise. he walked away from the one they had once because he wouldn't give status to the dreamers. can he carries the grievance argument into an election where he is the sitting president of the united states, his brand was

strength, his brand was deal making. he hasn't done it. >> among millions and millions and millions of voters, yes, he can. but the question of in the middle, we don't know yet. but he is trying with all of his might to make this a choice between him and whoever the democratic nominee is, not a referendum on his presidency. so it is the burden on the democrat, whoever that nominee may be after this long, protracted, presumably primary is, but he is making the argument that he has been blocked by democrats, and democrats recently have given him ammunition for that. so it is going to appear along -- you know, it is going to be ancient history that the republicans controlled the house. i'm not sure anyone will be voting on that, and, you know, we see hope hicks walking in the back of the room there. we will see if she comes back to join the president. but certainly he can still make that argument among some of his supporters. >> i don't think she is coming back but she is back in the hearing room for questions. we will continue to keep track of that. when we come back, democrats watching the trump rally last night didn't like a lot, but should they be a little jealous of the energy? ♪

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health care. he seems not to be doing too well lately. america will never be a socialist country. ever. [cheering and applause] a bit more there. president trump last night, right there sharing his take on two of the top 2020 democrats. now, the democrats, all of them, might not like what he says or what he calls them, but they know doubt must take note of his venue and the energy. [ chanting: usa, usa, usa! ]. >> thank you, orlando, what a turnout. what a turnout. by the way, that is a lot of fake news back there. that's a lot. cheering and applause] >> that's a lot. >> so we talked about it being familiar, familiar worked last time. this, again, one of the great questions about 2020. the president lost the popular vote by a pretty sizable number. in 2016 he won the electoral

college by trump rallies like this. they perfected them. you have made the point they're more professional. as the democrats watch this, should they be think, what do we do to do that, what do we do to get 20,000 people in an arena and thousands more trying to get in? >> i think they are thinking that, and that's a question underlying everyone, who can beat trump and who can get the enthusiasm. i think one thing that is different is the idea of donald trump actually winning the election is not sort of a joke or impossibility as it was to a lot of people. a lot of voters who weren't enthused about hillary clinton say, i'm going to say home, maybe i'll write in bernie sanders. you don't need the clarifying notion he can be president. look, jim messina, the obama 2012 campaign manager was in charleston, south carolina, in a third way conference. he was warning democrats to pay close attention, that trump could be re-elected. that energy is one reason why. that's why democrats must nominate someone who is enthusiastic. of course, beating him though is

going to make it enthusiastic in some respects. >> and finding -- i mean obviously democrats are enthused about -- and they're motivated about the prospect of beating donald trump. and if you look at the early polling now, biden seems like the candidate for now. but, again, going back to our conversation about biden earlier, a lot of his rhetoric, a lot of his comments and a lot of his past positions on certain policies are not something that makes democratic voters enthusiastic. that's, again, something he will have to -- >> so does trump animus overcome reservations about the nominee? we are still a ways from that, but the energy part, the trump campaign gets that. especially with the high-tech data operation. >> i mean he is a showman. it is something he has done for years and he's really good at putting on that show and getting a crowd riled up and having them come out for that if nothing else. a lot of people come out because they're simply curious. you speak to them at the rallies. ultimately it will be about him sticking to that message and being able to prove that his record actually matches what he

tells people in the rallies. is the economy as good as he says it is? is he fighting immigration? all of those things, we'll wait and see. >> i don't think they'll underestimate him this time. thanks for joining us on "inside politics." brianna keeler starts right now. have a great day. ♪ i'm brianna keeler, live from cnn's washington headquarters. under way, obstructing the testimony about obstruction. democrats blaming the white house for the, quote, absurd and ridiculous appearance by hope hicks. no one goes to the concert to hear the new songs so president trump launches his 2020 campaign against hillary clinton. plus, among the 15 bold claims trump made in his 76-minute speech the claim america's air and water is the cleanest it has ever been, it has actually gotten worse. and as congress holds a hearing on slavery reparations, the republican leader of the