them? >> we lost the give and take of a press secretary having to come clean whenever he or she can. when they can't, they can say no comment. >> sam donaldson, thank you for being with us tonight. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> the news continues so i hand it over to chris cuomo, cuomo "prime time" starts now. >> i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." joe biden taking on opponents who are taking him on the civility of segregationists. and senator bernie sanders is here tonight. he's in the thick of this fight for all the policy plans. the real plan he needs is how does he beat trump? let's see if the senator has an answer you look like. and what does he think of biden's battles with his past and elizabeth warren catching up to him in the present polling. we have a member of the house

judiciary committee here tonight fresh off the hope hicks testimony and the first hearing on reparations in 30 years. let's get word from inside the rooms where things happen. what do you say? let's get after it. ♪ so joe biden has gone from offense to defense. he's now taking on the rivals who were going after him for recalling the quote civility of two former segregationist senators. tonight here's what biden had to say to them. >> are you going to apologize? >> apologize for what? >> cory booker's called for it. >> corey should apologize. he knows better. there's not a racist bone in my body. i've been involved in civil rights my whole career. >> senator sanders said he agreed with cory booker that biden should apologize. we'll get to that. but my big question for the

senator is about raw politics of persuasion and winning. senator bernie sanders, welcome back to "prime time." >> my pleasure. >> you saw the rally last night. you see the big crowd, the enthusiasm, you heard the message, it's more of the same. us versus them. be ware of people like bernie sanders. how can you beat president trump? >> well, i think that trump is very vulnerable but i think the best way that we beat him is run a campaign of energy and enthusiasm which brings millions of young people into the political process, brings working people who have given up on politics into the political process and, by the way, reaches out to some of trump's supporters who have learned that he is a pathological liar and what he told them in 2016 that he was going to stand with the working class was just not true. so i think we need to confront

trump with a progressive alternative that understands, chris, that the working class of this country for the last 45 years has been decimated. in the last 30 years alone we've seen the top 1%, seen their wealth go up by $21 trillion while the wealth of the bottom half declined and real wages today are no better despite all of the technology and productivity than they were 45 years ago. the working class understands that. we have got to give them and the young people who standard of living is going to be lower than their parents a reason to vote, a reason to understand why politics is so important. >> how do you get them back? let's talk about the how here a little bit, senator. the push from the trump campaign would be, yeah, that's why i'm the one that reached out to him. i'm the one who connected with those people who you on the left forget. that's why they voted for me in

numbers that hillary clinton could have only dreamed of in that general election. you can't have them back. they're mine. >> well, i think the way to bring them back is to give them an agenda that speaks to their needs. right now you have millions of people in this country working for starvation wages, wages of 9, 10, 11 bucks an hour. i believe and most americans believe that if you work 40 hours a week, you should not be living in poverty. raise the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour and get those people into the political process. chris, we are the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people. and the american people understand they're being ripped off big time by the drug companies. what our candidates have got to do and what i will do is tell the drug companies, guess what, we're not going to subsidize you anymore. you are going to lower your

priz prices by 50% so the american people can afford the medicine they need. we're going to move to a medicare for all. you're going to give people an agenda that they can latch onto, that they can feel good about and participate in the election. >> i get the plan. but as we all know, and i know you don't like this part of the process, but there's got to be a connection with the messenger as well and it's got to be about persuasion and this president has gotten pretty far on a set of ideas that were exactly novel other than building a wall. let's go to a moment that will separate a winner from a loser, you're ongoing the stage with the president, he's hitting you with socialist every time you give any kind of answer. he's taking personal shots at you. he's bringing up your family. calling you crazy bernie, what

does bernie sanders say on the stage? >> you can't ignore it. the point to be made to trump is we have a society right now in many respects which is socialistic, in the sense that the federal government spends a lot of money helping certain kinds of people. the problem is, we get billions of dollars in subsidies to the pharmaceutical industry, to the fossil fuel industry, in fact trump himself in his real estate company received massive amounts of subsidies and tax breaks. so what we say in response to the charge of socialism is you got socialism right now. martin luther king jr. said we have socialism for the rituch a individualism for the poor. so what i believe is a socialism that works for the working families of this country and trump believes in a socialism for wall street, the drug companies and big money

interests. >> at the end of the day, you know, your concern has to be, you want the best ideas to win. but we know that's not always how it happened. one of the most indicative metrics of who wins presidential elections is who do you want to have a beer with contest s. that something that you think you would be able to focus on personally? if he's going to talk about me, i'm going to have to go toe to toe and i'm going to have to win the messenger contest and not just the message. >> the answer to that is yes, but i think something else, chris. and that we have got to be honest with the american people in a way that most politicians and the media is not honest. so how does it happen that after 45 years, after all of the speeches and the legislation and the party platforms, how does it happen that the average worker today is no better off than he or she was off 30 years ago.

and then we got to look at who really controls the economy and the political life of this country. this is something we don't do very often. i am prepared to do that and to tell the american people that bernie sanders alone as president cannot do all of the things that has to be done. that together, and the message of our campaign, is us not me. we need millions of people to stand up, to tell wall street we're going to end their greed and break up the large banks, we're going to take on the drug companies, the military, industrial complex. no president alone can do that. what makes my campaign different, i believe, than any other campaign is that i understand that at the end of the day if we're going to improve life for the working people, for the children, for the elderly, we need a political revolution. i know that not everybody agrees with me and i get people get a little bit nervous about that. if you are serious about bringing change, why are we the only major country not to guarantee health care to all. it is the power of the insurance

companies and the drug companies and if we're not prepared to take them on, then all of the speeches and all of the plans don't mean anything. i am prepared to take them on. >> you're going to have to ask for approval twice. if you make it to the general, that's what we're talking about right now. before you got to make it out of the primary. elizabeth warren in current polling is catching up to you. you got her, biden and you are now at the top of the polls. let's talk about each of them. what do you think the reason is that elizabeth warren is watching up to you in polls? do you believe that people see her as the more electable version of bernie sanders? >> i think we are running against a lot of problems. i think that there are a certain number of people who would like to see a woman elected and i understand that. there are people who would like to see somebody who is younger and i understand that also. there are a lot of factors out there. elizabeth is a friend of mine. i think she's running a good

campaign. but at the end of the day, chris, whether it's biden or warren, elizabeth warren or anybody else, what i believe is that in fact i am the strongest candidate to defeat donald trump and i think some of the polling shows that. i believe that our campaign can win in the states we have got to win. and that is michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, florida. and in all of those states, the polling has me at this point ahead and i think that numbers will only grow in the months ahead. >> true. the tweet you had today about the situation is you said the cat's out of the back, corporate wing of the democratic party is anybody but bernie, they know raising wages is the real threat. elizabeth warren can't be their poster child, right? she's been going after corporate conglomerates in a big way for a

long time. >> that tweet was not about elizabeth warren, not at all. elizabeth is a friend of mine and we're going to run issue-oriented campaigns. this was a strong statement about a group called third way. and you know that third way is the corporatist wing of the democratic party. and i am a little bit tired of hearing from these people. and this is not the first time i've heard about it. and they say we will support anybody except bernie sanders. so i don't mind taking on corporate america and trump and the republican party, but i have a question for third way and that is if i win the democratic nomination, who are they going to support? are they going to support donald trump? or are they going to support bernie sanders? chris, one of the very first questions that i was asked when i got into this race, people said, bernie, if you don't win, will you support another democratic candidate and i said absolutely. i will do everything i can to

defeat president trump. and if that candidate turns out to be a lot more conservative than me, i will knock my brains out to see that he or she is elected because i want to defeat donald trump. so i'm asking this corporate wing of the democratic party, a wall street-funded group called third way, if i win the nomination, are you going to be there with me or go over to donald trump? >> we will reach out to them during the show and see if i can get you an answer in realtime. it's a worth question to be answered by them. what happened with biden, you had said cory booker is right, joe biden should apologize for saying something nice about segregationist types. he came back tonight it's unfair to make him apologize for his record on civil rights. he was talking about the fact that he was able to work with them, not that he liked them. >> we all have to work with people with whom we have very different point of views. i do it every day.

but i think to be singing the praises of people who were vicious segregationists is not something that anybody -- >> he was talking about working with them. is that the same thing as singing their praises? >> i'm not sure about that. that's all. >> i appreciate your candor and i appreciate you talking raw politics with me. i know you like to get into the policies but at the end of the day you got to convince people you can beat the person who's job you want to take. you're always welcome here. >> thank you, chris. what's fueling the rise of elizabeth warren? you just heard there, that tweet today was not about her, it was about this other group within the democratic party. okay. so let's take a look inside the numbers and there's really robust battle for the progressive vote within the democratic party. we have a political forecaster here who is more than his good looks. what does he see coming, next?

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>> we have seen a lot of attacks and it hasn't moved the polling numbers. joe biden is dominating among african-american voters and they want to take any bit of that pot that they possibly can. they've brought up past votes with joe biden that haven't moved the poll numbers. but they're hoping this one will be able to eat into that support. i'm not sure that it necessarily will, he's been dominating among older voters. so i'm a little hesitant to say this will move the numbers. >> we'll know soon enough. warren is making a move up the charts on -- is it fair to say she's taking a bite out of sanders' apple? >> take a look at this. this is a monmouth university poll and they have a june, a may and an april. in june what we see is that warren is slightly ahead of bernie sanders at 15% to 14%.

look at the movement from warren. she went from 6 in april, 10 in may, 15 in june. look at the trend line for bernie. as senator warren goes up, bernie sanders is falling down. >> why? >> we've broken this down by liberal democrats and moderate to conservatives. we see elizabeth warren jumped up from 14% to may to 25% in june but take a look at the moderate to conservative, she hasn't moved at all. she's starting to take the lead among liberal democrats and that's the lane she's dominating right now. >> how much is it about monmouth versus -- >> in the other poll, bernie sanders was at the same 15%, elizabeth warren was at 10%. you might find bernie sanders a

little bit ahead of elizabeth warren. you see that warren has risen to now the mid double binldigits i june. >> and you see joe staying flat. we'll see what happens because everybody is starting to get loved up by the media one by one, beto, buttigieg, warren. if you are bernie sanders and you're looking over your shoulder at warren, what are you paying attention to? >> i think there are a few things that i would point out that i would be paying attention to and this i think is an interesting thing that's going on. elizabeth warren has focused her campaign on issues, i have a policy plan for everything. and this is a poll when warren was starting to rise. and what did we see? which candidate has the best policy ideas. elizabeth warren was getting 19% of that. compared to which candidate do you think has the best chance of beating trump. elizabeth warren was only at 3%

of that. right now her rise is mostly because voters are focusing on the fact that she has all of these policy plans. if she is not able to convince them that she can beat donald trump, look at this, these are the voters that she needs to win over, moderate to conservatives and she's not doing that right now. she needs to have a clear trend line, a movement up with them because this block of voters make up about 50% of the party and this block also makes up # 50%. if you're only rising with 50% of the party and the other 50% are flat, that's more than enough to win the nomination. >> she can hurt sanders more than she's hurting biden. you just gave us some great perspective on what senator sanders was achieving in his hit with us. forget about policy, i've got a plan to beat trump one on one and that's what we need. that was an interesting turn for him. maybe this poll is why, him not

giving biden a pass when it comes to being nice to segregationists. >> he wants to get in the voters' minds that joe biden, that doesn't mean he's more electable. i want to point out one other thing which is the attention paid to the campaign and this is another key thing for elizabeth warren, those voters who are paying a lot more some attention, he's doing very, very well versus bernie sanders, has the exact different thing going on. people who are paying little to no attention, he's doing his best. >> a handsome genius. >> two handsome geniuses. >> we'll take one. we were from joe biden tonight. no way am i apologizing for my vote on civil rights. that's the debate with these two next. and stay behr, ranked #1 in customer satisfaction with interior paints.

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based on what the veep just said, they shouldn't hold their breath. >> are you going to apologize? >> apologize for what? >> cory booker has called for it. >> corey should apologize. he knows better. there's not a racist bone in any body. i've been involved in civil rights my whole career, period, period, period. >> let's use that as the part of tonight's great debate. great to have you both here. do you buy biden's pushback, don't be telling me i have problems with civil rights, i've been fighting this fight from the beginning, i remember the civility of working with these guys, not that i liked them. is that enough? >> no, it's not. i think that joe biden has a real problem here. he keeps saying that he liked working with segregationists, not just on the democratic side. he bragged about working with

strum thurman. so he's got to stop bragging about how much he likes racists. and i know that's his calling card. he says i love to work with the other side, he also did the 1994 crime bill and he's proud to have authored that originally in '91. these are pretty disastrous if you're going for a democratic party or general -- >> are you being fair to him in con tex. i'm listening to you and i get the point. he didn't say he loved racists. he said that he remembered being able to work with those guys even though he didn't agree with what was going on and it was a statement about how nobody can work with anybody. and bussing, you've heard his answer on that about what it was a different time about and what he was trying to achieve. and the '94 bill, that was assault weapons, that was protecting women, and it was a time of fear. and there were a lot of people on both sides of the aisle calling for that, black and white, by the way, within the

democratic party. >> chris, so let's clarify a couple things. some people who voted for the crime bill say they deeply regret it. joe biden is not among them. he still says he's browaproud te authored that. it's very important that he did not change on those issues. and i did not say that he loves racists. i said he loves working with people on the opposite side including racists and that's a fact because that's what he said. and then what i'm also worried about is that he likes working with republicans. is to i don't want him working with mitch mcconnell to get more tax cuts for the rich. he was in a room full of rich donors. i'm more worried about that than what he did 30, 40 years ago. >> i hear you. you maybe wondering, why am i here? ordinarily this is an opportunity to play to advantage. but i don't think you have the right horse to play to advantage

here because we all know donald trump can convince people of a lot of things, he's not going to convince people that joe biden is more friendly with people with extremist views. does any of this matter in terms of your campaign? >> we're proud of the president's record. as the democrats right now are arguing over segregationist comments from joe biden, president trump's just announced the second step act for $88 million for prisoners to re-enter society -- >> he also just said he wouldn't change his position on the central park five. >> he said there were -- >> no, he said now. he'll leave it at that. >> chris, you come -- come on, you, we've been talking about the central park five and racism and all of these things going back to the 2016 election, people didn't believe it. they empowered president trump to lead and he passed criminal justice reform, 91% of people

were black americans. historic lows from bloack poverty. if you want to keep bringing up central park five, keep doing it. >> sometimes the truth may not work in a campaign. it doesn't mean it's not the truth and he shouldn't come out. i'll never stop talking about it. in terms of playing to advantage, you guys are making a mistake eating your own when trump is going to say maybe i'm better for those people than their own. >> first of all, we're in a primary right now. there's 24 candidates in that race. it's incumbent upon us to pick the best candidate, the most electable one. and it's going to be a populist progressive who says i'm going to deliver higher wages and health care all the things that trump promised you but was lying about -- >> he did. >> let me finish the point. >> right, but you --

>> what do you say to her counter? >> first of all, it's funny that she's trying to claim that she's on the side of facts when "the washington post" has donald trump lying over 10,000 times in 869 days. he's a pathological liar. he just said the other day that he's going to round up millions of undocumented -- >> what about paychecks? you literally just said -- >> let me finish. >> you literally just said paychecks are not going up. defend that. >> you love to filibuster. >> hold on. >> you don't have footnotes to your facts. >> deal with the specific criticism. do you believe this president has been better for wages if those communities than was the case prior? >> absolutely not. if you adjust for inflation, wages are flat. the only thing he did was deliver for the rich.

the only thing he accomplished was tax cuts for the rich and the average american got nothing, absolutely nothing. if you adjust for inflations, wages didn't go up at all. he's a pathological liar. the only thing he built was tax cuts for the rich and corporations. he built no wall. undocumented immigrants are crossing at a record pace. he delivered on none of his promises except to his rich campaign donors. >> last word to you, kaylee. >> unlike you, i have footnotes to my fact. the bureau of economic analysis, wages are growing at the fastest pace in a decade and a cnn poll from i believe it was two months ago showing 75% of americans say the economy is in good shape. you can say these lies on national television. but according to cnn, people think the economy is going well. you're speaking to the 25%. i'll continue to speak to the 75%.

>> you support pathological liars. and i gave you a fact about it adjusted for inflation. you have no answer for that. all you ever do is lie. and you know -- will you come out here and agree if in six months he hasn't rounded up millions of undocumented immigrants that you were wrong and i was right and trump is a liar. >> yes, we'll make a date of it. we'll come back in six months. thank you for making the arguments and disagrees with decency. did democrats expect long-time trump loyalist hope hicks to deliver today? are they really surprised when she came in there, that she stonewalled? what does that mean about what they need to do if they want to get answers going forward. we have a judiciary committee member he was there for hope hicks and mr. cohen was there for the first reparations hearing in a long time. where is his head on both? next.

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look, none of this has been easy in terms of oversight with this administration for the democrats in congress but they did get hope hicks in to testify, but she totally stuck to the script handing the house judiciary committee a whole lot of no comments. this white house is claiming absolute immunity something said

they will, quote, destroy in court, but that takes time. steve cohen was in the hearing room. always a pleasure to have you on the show first. am i right or wrong that she was not answering questions? >> they exercised immunity and she abided by it for everything from january 2017, the beginning of the trump administration, so there was no answers there at all. and before that during the campaign, she had a very limited recall and didn't remember any of the things that possibly could have occurred. either she didn't listen in all those meetings or she wasn't there. >> was there refreshment of recollection for her to help with the intrigue surrounding the payments and the stories that were put out by the campaign, some of which were by her about who was paid and when and why. >> nothing seemed to jar her memory and she said i don't remember that, no, there was nothing about this, no, there

was nothing about that. there was no talk about russia, about kislyak, sanctions, there was no talk. i guess they talked about, you know, hillary and locking her up. >> so, congressman, where does this leave you? you guys right now are telling your party and the country, look, this is the way to do it. we go through these hearings, we'll fight where we have to in court, we'll get the facts together and we'll figure out if we have reasonable basis for starting an impeachment inquiry. my question has been all along, isn't that what an impeachment inquiry is and you have more power to get people like hope hicks to talk and less time in court. >> i agree with you. i'm in favor of an impeachment inquiry and in favor of impeachment. there's enough in the mueller report based on obstruction of justice, there's enough with disrespect for the first amendment, for the press, for the judiciary, et cetera, and then for just his refusal to

abide by or understand the law, i'll accept foreign information on my opponent and won't listen to what wray says, i'll say he's wrong. these are the kinds of things that shows he can't execute the laws which is the oath he takes. and that's the basis of impeachment. >> so where does this go from here? >> well, to be honest, without nancy pelosi's blessing, it's not going to go anywhere. we have 68 folks who are in favor of impeachment or impeachment inquiries, there are more that are out there. and i think more will be coming forth. i just think that we need to act partially because it's our duty. we have an oath. and impeachment is part of the constitution and those of us in judiciary are charged with respecting the constitution and supporting it and it's clear, and if the senate won't convict and the senate won't convict, i don't think that's a reason not

to bring impeachment in the house. we will do our job, if the senate doesn't do there. i think they will be dealt with by the voters. >> it's not to be good conscious and not fear of consequence. we'll see where that goes. and now let's deal with what you're going to do about what happened in the past. what did you make on this hearings of reparations today. the fact that it happened at all was remarkable and what did you take away from the room? >> well, i think it was a remarkable day. we had great testimony, we had the star, danny glover was great, wonderful witnesses and good questioning from both sides on the committee. but it was a great debate and it shows why we need to have a study of reparations. this isn't going to say we're going to have reparations. it's not going to say we're going to have a check for people. it's going to say we're going to look into it.

a law professor said what he says is influx of money for job training for people who were left behind and others in the areas where there are high rates of unemployment, health deserts, need for job training, et cetera, we don't know what the study would produce. but the discussion today was robust. it went to a lot of history, what african-americans and their an ancestors have suffered from in this country. we had a hundred years of jim y crow. and since -- >> and the injury is obvious. it's what the damage is -- what the award would be for the damages just to use legal parlance. when you have the senate majority leader saying you got obama, we gave you the civil rights, what else do you want? what is the prospect of really getting anything productive

done? >> well, i don't know that we'll get any passed in this congress. until the senate turns democrat, we're not going to get much passed all. mitch mcconnell has made it clear that he's going to kill all legislation that comes from the house for the people's agenda, including health care, lower prescription drugs, guaranteeing health care for people with pre-existing conditions, helping work on gun legislation, eliminating loopholes and make sure they get background checks, working on climate changes, he's going to kill it audiotapll. we need to have a democratic senate. the voting rights act was passed in 1965. we're trying to renew it. the last time we tried to renew it we had less support in the house and senate. >> thank you. appreciate it. congressman steve cohen, always welcome on the show.

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will it happen? >> i think it would be tremendous and i think it should be. let me read something to you. >> please. >> this is one of my favorite books. this is a letter to his nephew and it was on the 100th anniversary it will be hard. you come from sturdy. men who picked cotton and built railroads. you come from a long line of great poets. one of them said the very time i thought i was lost my dungeon shook and my chains fell off. it talks about the country celebrating the freedom of the 100 years too soon. we cannot be free until they are free. to the people o ppposed to reparations and talking about slavery. god bless you. that's where we are. 154 years we're celebrating the

emancipation proclamation. 154 years too soon. there are people opposed to it being a marbnational holiday an against reparation. we'll talk about that on the show. >> is there any good argument in your mind for opposing it as a national holiday? >> yes. there is. i can understand where people are coming from. as long as you educate yourself and present a valid good argument. mitch mcconnell's argument is not a good argument. >> making juneteenth a holiday. >> no. think about it. what was columbus day about. america was here. if you ask a native american. he didn't find america. valentines day. new years day. that's national. labor day.

thanksgiving. celebrate slaves who helped build the country and the economy of america. i don't see any good argument against having this as a national holiday. >> however the resis tense is a lens into what we saw today in that hearing. coming out of it on reparation. just having it was a shocker. >> i see arguments for people and listen, if you can rescind a valid argument. reparations. people should listen. but a lot is owed to the des descendants of slaves. how do you do that? it's a complicated process. cory booker is in the thick of it with joe biden and his comments about working with former segregationists. >> biden knuckled up. >> cory is the first person on

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angry fringe politics. troubling sense of division. toxic twitter. all real challenges. the vexing aspect is what to do. we often blame politicians but there are mere reflections of society. so i argue the answer is not an election away. even this president for all his demagoguing is still a symptom.

i argue the change we need is not external. i argue this is the true face of the enemy. us at our worst too often and has nothing to do with politics. >> don't know how to throw punches and be examples to their kids. at a little league game. outside denver, colorado. the players were seven damn years old. you see them in the background. running away in fear from their dads? the trigger here, alleged bad call by a 13 year-old ump. over the batting order. now four adults are facing disorderly conduct. police are still looking for the one guy the man in the white shirt. in the teal shorts. sucker punched someone. he's looking at possible assault charges. you can hear a woman in the

video ask over and over what's happening? it's a good question. we talk about decency in washington. what's happening there is just a reflection of who we are. be honest. demand better of ourselves. studies show being kind makes you happier. it's contagious. it adds to success in relationships. online for sure. offline as well. sure, potus and others play on prejudice and hot passion. they can't use what doesn't work. it works because we're prone to those base insingts to put it short and sweet for all that different leaders and better politics may mean, maybe if we started by being better to each other we would create different expectations and different out comes and reward different behavior in politicians. do your little bit of good where you are. it is those little bits of good

put together that overwhelm the world. he was right. even if it didn't butterfly effect into the politics. can any of us say our lives wouldn't be better if we were conscientious about practicing kindness. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" starts now. >> you said it, brother. even the conversations we have here. people take it out of context. some of the guys in studio said you didn't get a chance to say everything you wanted to say. we need to give people more lee way in conversations. because that's the way you discuss things and we know that. when we go and talk to people in person. we say, this is the difficult conversations that you have. not everything is perfect. we're not perfect. the wrong word