you spent so much time in there. you've asked so many questions to press secretaries. what is lost by the absence of them? >> we lost the give and take of a press secretary having to come clean whenever he or she can. when they can't, they can say, no comment. >> sam donaldson, the relentless pursuit of the truth, thank you for being with us tonight. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> the news continues, so i hand it over to chris cuomo, cuomo primetime starts in-n-onow. >> thanks. joe biden taking on opponents who have been taking him on for recalling the, quote, civility of two notorious segregationists. wait until you hear what the former vp said in response. and senator bernie sanders is here tonight. he's in the thick of this fight for all the policy plans. the real plan he needs is how does he beat trump. let's see if the senator has an answer you like. and what does he think of biden's battles with his past?

and elizabeth warren catching up to him in the present polling. we also have a member of the house judiciary committee here tonight, fresh off the hope hicks testimony and the first hearing on reparations in 30 years. let's get word from inside the rooms where things happen. what do you say? let's get after it. all right. so joe biden has gone from offense to defense, all right. he's now taking on the rivals who were going after him for recalling the, quote, civility of two former segregationist senators. tonight here's what biden had to say to them. >> are you going to apologize -- >> apologize for what? >> cory booker has called for it. >> cory should apologize. he knows better. there is not a racist bone in my body. i've been involved in civil rights my whole career, period, period. >> now, senator sanders said today he agreed with cory booker

biden should apologize. we'll get to that. my big question for the senator is about raw politics of persuasion and winning. senator bernie sanders, welcome back to primetime. >> my pleasure. >> you saw the rally last night, you see the big crowd, you see the enthusiasm. you heard the message, it's more of the same, us versus them. beware people like bernie sanders and the people on the left, they're out to get you. how can you beat president trump? >> well, i think that trump is very vulnerable, but i think the best way that we beat him is run a campaign of energy and enthusiasm which brings millions of young people into the political process, brings working people who have given up on politics into the political process. and, by the way, reaches out to some of trump's supporters who have learned that he is a bath logical liar and wlae told them in 2016 that he was going to stand with the working class was

just not true. so i think we need to confront trump with a progressive alternative that understand, chris, that the working class of this country for the last 45 years has been decimated. in the last 30 years alone, we've seen the top 1% see their wealth go up by $21 trillion while the wealth of the bottom half actually declined in real wages today are no better despite all of the technology and productivity than they were 45 years ago. the working class understands that. we have got to give them and the young people who standard of living is going to be lower than their parents a reason to vote, a reason to understand why politics is so important. >> so how do you get them back? let's talk about the how here a little bit, senator, because the push from the trump campaign would be, yeah, that's why i'm the one who reached out to them, sanders.

i'm the one who connected with those people who you on the left forgot. you took them for granted. that's a why they voted for me in numbers that hillary clinton could have only dreamed of in the general election. you can't have them back, they're mine. >> well, i think the way to bring them back is to give them an agenda that speaks to their needs. all right. right now you have millions of people in this country working for starvation wages, wages of 9, 10, 11 bucks an hour. i believe and most americans believe that if you work 40 hours a week, you should not be living in poverty. raise the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour and get those people who are increasingly fighting for $15 an hour into the political process. chris, we are the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people, and the american people understand they are being ripped off big time by the drug companies. what our candidates have got to do and what i will do is tell

the drug companies, guess what, we ain't gonna subsidize you any more. you are going to lower your prices by 50% so the american people can afford the medicine they need, which, by the way, is exactly the price being paid all over the world. we're going to move to a medicare for all program. in other words, chris, you're going to give people an agenda that they can latch onto, that they can feel good about and participate in the election. >> i get the plan. but as we all know, and i know that you don't like this part of the process and many policy purists don't, but there's got to be a connection with the messenger as well. and it's got to be about raw persuasion. and let's be honest, this president has gotten pretty far on a set of ideas that weren't exactly novel other than building a wall. so let's go to a moment that will really separate the winner from the loser. you're on stage with the president and he's looking at you and he's saying, this guy, bernie sanders, he's on the inside forever. he's hitting you with socialist any time you give any kind of answer. he's taking personal shots at

you, he's bringing up your family, calling you crazy bernie. what does bernie sanders say on the stage? because you can't ignore it. >> no, you cannot ignore it. i think the point to be made to trump is that, in fact, we have a society right now in many respects which is socialistic in the sense that the federal government spends a lot of money helping certain kinds of people. the problem is we get billions of dollars in subsidies to the pharmaceutical industry, to the fossil fuel industry. in fact, trump himself in his real estate company received massive amounts of subsidies and tax breaks. so what we say in response to the charge of socialism is you got socialism right now. martin luther king, jr. said we have socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor. i agree with that. what i believe in is a socialism that works for the working families in this country, and trump believes in a socialism for wall street, for the drug

companies, and for the big money interests. >> at the end of the day, you know, your concern has to be, of course, look, you want the best ideas to win, but we also know that's not always how it happens. one of the most indicative metrics of who wins presidential elections over the last bunch of cycles is who do you want to have a beer with contest. is that something that you think that you would be able to focus on personally, that if he's going to talk about me, i'm going to have to go toe to toe, and i'm going to have to win the messenger contest and not just the message? >> well, i think -- yeah, the answer to that is yes, but i think something else, chris. and that we have got to be honest with the american people in a way that most politicians and the media is not honest. so how does it happen that after 45 years, after all of the speeches and the legislation and the party platforms, how does it happen that the average worker today is no better off than he

or she was 45 years ago? and then we have got to look at who really controls the economy and the political life of this country. this is something we don't do very often. i am prepared to do that and to tell the american people that bernie sanders alone as president cannot do all of the things that has to be done. that together -- and the message of our campaign is us, not me, that we need millions of people to stand up, to tell wall street we're going to end their greed and break up the large banks. we're going to take on the insurance companies, the fossil fuel companies, the military industrial complex. no president alone can do that. and what makes my campaign different, i believe, than any other campaign is that i understand that at the end of the day, if we're going to improve life for the working people, for the children, for the elderly, we need a political revolution. now, i know that not everybody agrees with me and people get a little bit nervous about that. but if you are serious about

bringing change, why are we the only major country not to guarantee health care to all? it is the power of the insurance companies and the drug companies. and if we're not prepared to take them on, then all of the speeches and all of the plans don't mean anything. >> all right. >> i am prepared to take them on. >> so you're going to have to ask for approval twice. if you make it to the general, that's what we're talking about right now. >> right. >> before you have to make it out of the primary. elizabeth warren in current president obamaing polling is catching up to you. her, biden and you are at the top of the polls. let's talk about each of them. what do you think the reason is that elizabeth warren is catching up to you in polls? do you believe that people see her as the more electable version of bernie sanders? >> you know, i think we are running against a lot of problems. i think that there are certain number of people who would like see a woman elected and i understand that. there are people who would like to see somebody who is younger, and i understand that also.

there are a lot of factors out there. elizabeth is a friend of mine. i think she's running a good campaign. but at the end of the day, chris, whether it's biden or warren -- elizabeth warren or anybody else, what i believe is that, in fact, i am the strongest candidate to defeat donald trump and i think some of the polling shows that. i believe that our campaign can win in the states we have got to win, and that is michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, florida. and in all of those states, the polling has to be at this point ahead and i think that numbers will only grow in the months ahead. >> true. the tweet you had today about this situation, you said the cat's out of the bag. corporate wing of the democratic party is publicly anybody but bernie. they know our progressive agenda of medicare for all, breaking up big banks, taking on drug companies and raising wages is the real threat to the billionaire class. the assertion aside, elizabeth warren can't be their poster

child. she's been going after corporate conglomerates for a long time. >> that tweet was not about elizabeth at all. elizabeth is a friend of mine and we're going to run issue oriented campaigns. this is about a group called third way. you know third way is the corporate wing of the democratic party. i am a little bit tired of hearing from these people -- this is not the first time that i've heard about it. and they say, we will support anybody except bernie sanders. so i don't mind taking on all of corporate america and trump and the republican party, but i have a question for third way, and that is if i win the democratic nomination -- i think we have a good shot at that -- who are they going to support? are they going to support donald trump? or are they going to support bernie sanders? chris, one of the very first questions i was asked when i got into this race, people said, bernie, if you don't win, will you support another democratic

candidate? and i said absolutely, i will do everything i can to defeat donald trump. if that candidate turns out to be a lot more conservative than me, joe biden, anybody else, i will knock my brains out to see he or she is elected to beat donald trump. this corporate wing of the democratic party, a wall street funded group called third way, if i win the nomination, are you going to be there with me or are you going to go over to donald trump? >> we will reach out to them during the show, vee if i can get you an answer in real time. it is a worthy question to be answered by them. let me ask you one more quick thing. what happened with biden, you had said cory booker is ride. joe biden should apologize for saying something nice about segregationist types. he came back tonight, you heard what he said, that it's unfair to make him as anybody who has to apologize for his record on civil rights. he was just talking about the fact that he was able to work with them, not that he liked them. do you think he still needs to apologize? >> i do. look, we all have to work with

people with whom we have very different points of view. i do it every day. but i think to be singing the praises of people who were vicious segregationists is not something that anybody should -- >> he was talking about working with them. is that the same thing as singing their praises? >> well, i'm not so sure about that, but that's all. >> senator sanders, i appreciate your candor and i appreciate you talking raw politics with me. i know you like to get into ol siz, but you have to convince people you can beat the person whose job you want to take. thank you for being on the show. you're always welcome here. >> thank you, chris. >> be well, senator sanders. so what's fueling the rise of senator elizabeth warren? senator sanders said the tweet was not about her, but the other group in the democratic party. so let's take a look inside the numbers. it's really robust battle for the progressive vote within the democratic party. we have a political forecaster here who is more than his good

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so it's not new that sanders and warren would be battling for the progressive vote, but it is new that we see a move from warren. so let's bring in harry enten to help us. before we get into the numbers because that matters, this biden thing here. it was interesting to me to hear bernie sanders say, you know what, i'm not giving him a pass on it. he shouldn't have talked about those guys that way. he should still apologize. how big a deal is biden's processing of his past? >> look, we have seen a lot of attacks over joe biden's past and it hasn't moved the polling numbers. what a lot of these democratic candidates are seeing is joe biden is dominating in african-american voters and they want to take any bit of that pie they can. obviously they brought up past votes with joe biden in terms of bussing that have not moved the poll numbers, but this current statement that he just made, they're hoping that may be able to eat into that support.

i'm not sure it necessarily will because joe biden has been dominating among african-american voters and dominating among older voters who may remember james east land from mississippi. i'm hesitant to say anything will move the numbers, but this to me is a level above so i'm interested to see what occurs. >> we'll know soon enough. so much polling going on. so warren is making a move up the charts. is it fair to say she's taking a bite out of sanders' apple? >> take a look at this, this is a monmouth university poll. they have a june, may and april. in june what we see is warren is slightly ahead of sanders. look at the move, she went from 6 in april, 10 in may, 15 in june. look at the trend line for bernie. 20 in april, 15 in may, 20 in june. as we see elizabeth warren is going up, bernie sanders seems to be falling down. >> why? >> why? let's look, take a key thing here we broke it down between liberals and moderates compared

june to may. we see elizabeth warren jumped from 14% in may to 25% in june, but then take ape look at the moderate to conservative lane. she hasn't moved at all. she moved a point down. she is now starting to take the lead among liberal demps according to monmouth university and that's the lane she's dominating right now. >> how much of it is about monmouth versus suffolk poll? any better numbers for bernie? >> the suffolk poll that doesn't have a trend line, baeshds was at the same 15%, elizabeth warren was 10%. you might find bernie sanders ahead of warren, warren ahead of sanders. there is no aggregated polls. warren has risen from mid single digits in march to now double digits in june. bernie sanders went from double digits to 10. >> he hasn't seen a real challenge yet. we'll see what happens because everybody is starting to get loved up by the media one by one. beto, then kamala, then buttigieg, now warren. we'll see what that impact is.

if you are bernie sanders and you're looking over your shol der at warren, why, what are you paying attention to? >> i think there are a few things i would point out that i'd be paying attention to. and this i think is a rather interesting thing that's going on. elizabeth warren has focused her campaign on issues. the policy plans, i have a policy plan for everything. this is a quinnipiac poll in april when warren was starting her rise. what did we see? which candidate do you think has the best policy ideas? elizabeth warren was getting 19% of that. now compared to which candidate do you think has the best chance of beating trump? elizabeth warren was only 3% of that vote. >> how much of that is because they think trump ate her "lurch" on the lineage thing? >> it could very well be that. that is something she's going to have to deal with. her rise is mostly because voters are focusing on the fact she has all these policy plans. the fact is if she's not able to convince them she can beat donald trump, if she's not able to reach out to moderate and conservative votes, look at this. these are the voters she needs to win over, moderate to conservatives. she is simply not doing that right now.

she needs to have a clear trend line, movement up with them because this block of voters make up about 50% of the party and this block also makes up 50%. if you're only rising with 50% of the party and the other 50% are flat and joe biden is running away with this lane, that's more than enough to win the nomination, especially if you have 20 plus candidates. >> she can hurt sanders more than she's hurting biden at this point. i have to tell you, harry, you gave us some great perspective on what senator sanders was achieving in his hit with us tonight. what did he do? frlgt about policy, everybody has policies. i have a plan to beat trump one on one and that's what we need. that was an interesting turn for him. maybe this poll is why. him not giving biden a pass when it comes to being nice to segregationists. maybe that's why. >> exactly. he wants to get in the voters minds, hey, joe biden may be this more moderate guy, but -- i want to point out one thing very quickly, attention paid to the campaign. this is another key thing for elizabeth warren. those voters paying a lot or some attention she is doing very

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senators. critics literally, his own opponents, want him to apologize. based on what the veep just said, they shouldn't hold their breath. >> are you going to apologize like -- >> apologize for what? >> cory booker has called for it. >> cory should apologize. he knows better. there is not a racist bone in my body. i've been involved in civil rights my whole career, period, period, period. >> let's use that as the start of tonight's great debate. jack, kaylee, great to have you both here. jack, do you buy biden's pushback, don't be telling me i have problems with civil rights, i've been fighting this fight from the beginning. i said that, i remember the civility of working with these guys, that i could work with them, not that i like them. is that enough? >> no, it's not. i think that joe biden has a real problem here. he keeps saying that he liked working with segregationists. not just the democratic side. let's not forget he bragged about working with strom

thurmond who ran for president under the segregationist ticket. biden has to stop bragging about how much he likes racists. i know that's his calling card. i love to work with the other side, but he was also opposed to bussing, he did the 1994 crime bill and he's proud to have authored that with strom thurmond originally in 1991. these are pretty disastrous. if you're going for democratic or general election. >> are you being fair to him in context? i'm listening to you, and i get the points. if we accept your context, he didn't say he loved racists. he said that he remembered being able to work with those guys even though he didn't agree with what was going on. it was a statement about how now nobody can work with anybody. and bussing, you've heard his answer on that, about what, it was a different time and what he was trying to achieve. the '94 bill, that was assault weapons. that was protecting women. and it was a time of fear and there were a lot of people on both sides of the aisle calling

for that, black and white, by the way, within the democratic party. >> yeah, chris. so let's clarify a couple things. some people who voted for the '94 crime bill say they deeply regret it. joe biden is not among them. he says he is proud that he helped to author that. so bussing, he says he still has the same exact opinion. so it's very important that he did not change on those issues. and i definitely did not say that he loves racists. i said he loves working with people on the opposite side, including racists and that's just a fact because that's what he said. and then what i'm also worried about is that he likes working with republicans. so i don't want him working with mitch mcconnell to get more tax cuts for the rich. he was in a roomful of rich donors, promised them, don't worry, nothing is going to change, i'm going to protect you. i don't want him working with mitch mcconnell to protect the rich est people in america. i'm more worried about what he did 30, 40 years ago. >> i hear you. kayla, you may be wondering, why am i here? ordinarily this is an

opportunity to play to advantage. but i don't think you have the right horse to play to advantage here, we all know donald trump can convince people of a lot of things. he's not going to convince people that joe biden is more friendly with people with extremist views than he has been. so does any of this really matter in terms of your campaign? >> oh, well, we're really proud of the president's record. as the demps right now aocrats over comments by joe biden, he stepped back -- >> he also said about the central park 5. >> he said there were people -- >> he said now, we'll leave it at that. come on. >> chris, come on. come on you. we've been talking about the central park 5 and racism and all they'd things going back to the 2016 election problem. american people didn't believe it. they empowered president trump to lead and he passed criminal justice reform, 91% of people

released were black americans. >> first step act was a real thing. >> historic lowes for black poverty. this is a president who has won for black americans. if you want to keep bringing up central park 5, it didn't work in 2016. it won't work -- >> the truth may not work in a campaign. it doesn't mean it's not the truth and it shouldn't come out. he hasn't changed his position. you're making a mistake eating your own, maybe i'm better for those people than their own. >> no, first of all, we're in a primary right now. there are 24 candidates in that race. it is incumbent on us to pick the best candidate that can actually take on trump effectively. the most electable one and the most electable one is going to be a populist progressive who says i'm actually going to deliver higher wages and health care, all the things trump promised you, but was totally lying about t. >> but he did. he picked up the fastest pace -- you're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.

>> hilarious, hilarious. kaylee, it's hilarious -- kaylee, will you let me -- >> i get your counter. jake, what do you say to her counter? >> first of all it's hilarious she's trying to claim that she's on the side of the facts when the "washington post" has donald trump lying over 10,000 times in 869 days. he's a pathological liar. hey, kaylee, he just said the other day that he's going to round up millions of undocumented immigrants. kaylee, let me finish. let me finish. let me finish. hush up. >> nobody hushes anybody on the show. hold on, guys. what i'm saying is this. deal with the specific criticism. do you believe this president b those kmunlts than was the case prior? >> absolutely not. if you adjust for inflation, wages are absolutely flat.

what he did, the only thing he did was deliver for the rich. the only thing he accomplished was tax cuts for the rich, and the average american got nothing, absolutely nothing. if you adjust for inflation, wages didn't go up at all. he's a pathological liar. the only thing he ever built was tax for the rich and for corporations. he built no wall. undocumented immigrants are crossing at a record pace for 13 years. he delivered on none of his problems except to his rich campaign donors. that's who he represents. >> to you, kaylee. >> unlike you, jake, i have footnotes to my facts. economic analysis, wages are growing fastest in the decade, twice as fast for low income americans. for my cnn poll two months ago, 75% of americans say the economy is in good shape. you can say these nonfacts, lies on television. according to cnn, people think the economy is going well.

you're speaking to the 25%. i'll continue speaking to the 75%. >> you support pathological liars. i gave you a fact adjusted for inflation. all your side ever does is lie. kaylee, will you come on here and agree that if in six months he hasn't rounded up millions of undocumented immigrants you were wrong and i was right and trump is a liar? >> we'll make a date of it and come back in six months. hopefully i have you both on before then. thank you for making the arguments and disagreeing with decency. very important on this show we get enough of the hostility everywhere else. did democrats expect long-time loyalist hope hicks to actually deliver today? are they really surprised when she came in there she stone walled? what does that mean about what they need to do if they want to get answers going forward? we have a judiciary committee member. he was there for hope hicks. and mr. cohen was there for the first reparations hearing in a long time. where is his head on both? next.

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this administration for the democrats in congress, but they did get hope hicks in to testify, but she totally stuck to the script, or so we're hearing. handing the house judiciary committee a whole lot of no comments. this white house is claiming absolute immunity, something that committee chair jerry nadler said they will, quote, destroy in court, but that takes time. tennessee democrat steve cohen was in the closed door hearing. congressman, always a pleasure to have you on the show. first, am i right or wrong that she was not answering questions? >> well, they exercised immunity and she abided by it for everything from january 20, 2017 from the trump administration, so there were no answers at all. before the campaign she had a limited recall and didn't remember any of the things that possibly could have occurred. either she was just didn't listen in all those meetings or she really wasn't there.

>> was the refreshment of recollection with her to help with the intreeks surrounding the payments and stories that were put out by the campaign, some of which were by her about who was paid and when and why? >> nothing seemed to jar her memory. she was -- i don't remember that, no, there was nothing about this. there was nothing about that. there was no talk about russia, there was no talk about kislyak, there was no talk about adoptions, there was no talk about sanctions. there was no talk. i just they just talked about, you know, hillary and locking her up. >> so, congressman, where does this leave you? you guys right now are telling your party and the country, look, this is the way to do it. we go through these hearings. we'll fight where we have to in court. we'll get the facts together and then we'll figure out if we have reasonable basis for starting an impeachment inquiry. my question has been all along, isn't that what an impeachment inquiry is and that constitutionally you wind up having more power to get people like hope hicks to talk and less time in course?

>> i agree with you. that's why i'm in favor of an impeachment inquiry and in favor of impeachment. there is enough in the mueller report based on obstruction of justice. there is enough with emoluments. there is enough with disrespect for the first amendment, for the press, for the judiciary, et cetera. and then for just his refusal to abide by or understand the law, like i'll accept foreign information on my opponent and i won't listen to what wray says. if the fbi says it's illegal, i'll say it's wrong. he can't faithfully execute the laws which is the oath he takes and that is the basis of impeachment. >> so where does this go from here? >> well, to be honest, without nancy pelosi's blessing, it's not going to go anywhere. we now have 68 folks who are in favor of impeachment or impeachment quin iri. more will be out there, more will be coming forth. i think we need to act partially because it's our duty.

we have an oath and impeachment is part of the constitution. and those of us in judiciary are charged with respect the the constitution and supporting it. it's clear. if the senate won't convict and the senate won't convict, i don't think that's a reason not to bring impeachment in the house. we will do our job. if the senate doesn't do theirs, i think they'll be dealt with by the voters. >> it's got to be about what you see as good conscience and not fear of consequence because then you're not really doing the job. but we'll see where that goes. let's deal with how you're going to do things in the future, and now let's deal with what you're going to do about what happened in the past. what did you make of this hearing on reparations today? first of all, the fact that it happened at all was remarkable. and what did you take away from the room? >> well, i think it was a remarkable day. we had great testimony. ta-nehisi coates, he was the star as he always is.

danny glover was great. wonderful witnesses, good questioning from both sides on the committee. but it was a great debate and it shows why we need to have a study of reparations. this isn't saying we're going to have reparations. it's not saying we're going to have a check for people. it's going to say we're going to look into it. charles ogeltree, a distinguished attorney and harvard law professor said the way he sees it, would have massive influxes of money for people who were left behind in the african-american community and others in areas where there are high rates of unemployment, health deserts, need for job training, et cetera. we don't know what the study would produce, but the discussion today was robust. it went to a lot of history what african americans, their ancestors have suffered from in this country. we had 250 years of slavery give or take. we had 100 years of jim crow. since jim crow has ended, we haven't had such a wonderful

time especially if you're african-american. >> the injury is obvious. it's what the damages, what the award would be for the damages. >> right. >> to use legal parlance on it. when you have the senate majority leader saying, you goto bama. you know, we gave you the civil rights acts. what else do you want? what is the prospect of really getting anything productive done? >> well, i don't think we'll get any passed in the congress. until the senate turns demi-leigdemocrat, we're not going to get much at all. mitch mcconnell is the grim reaper, he's going to kill all legislation from the house for the people's agenda, lower health care, prescription drugs, guaranteeing health care for people with preexisting conditions, helping work on gun legislation, eliminate loopholes and make sure you get background checks, working on climate change, working on ethics, he's going to kill it all. we need to have a democratic senate or we're going to suffer more and more and go backwards. the voting rights act was passed

in 1965. they have not passed an additional voting rights act. we're trying to renew it. the last time we tried to renew it, we had hardly any republican support in the house and less in the senate. >> congressman, thank you so much for the insight into the two big hearings today. appreciate it. always welcome on the show. >> you're welcome. >> today is an important day in american history. bernie sanders wants to make today a national holiday. we refer to it as juneteenth. what is it, why it matters, what it should mean going forward. let's bring in d. lemon next. foundation by l'oreal. rer with up to 24 hr wear. now, get longwear coverage from our most lightweight, breathable formula. for makeup that won't weigh you down. defies sweat and transfer. stays fresh. feels light. all day to night. in 30 natural, matte shades. new infallible fresh wear foundation by l'oreal. because you're worth it.

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we get things done here for you, cuomo primetime. remember at the top of the hour senator sanders said he had a question for centrist think tank third way. will you support me if i am the democratic nominee? we reached out. we just got an answer. yes unequivocally. that's a quote, they would support bernie sanders if he won. but then they got in a dig. the co-founder pointed out that sanders' press secretary bragged on twitter about voting for jill stein in 2016, not hillary clinton, the nominee. they said yes, senator. there's your answer. so today, juneteenth, it was on this day 154 years, that slavery finally ended in texas.

that's what marked the end of slavery in the united states. d. lemon, 46 states recognized juneteenth as a holiday. there is a renewed push to make it a national holiday. senator sanders says yes. will it whap? what does it mean if it does. >> i think it would be tremendous. let me ready something to you. >> please. >> one of my favorite books. a letter to his nephew on the 100th anniversary of the emancipation proclamation. he's telling him about his life. it will be hard, james, but you come from sturdy peasant stock. picked cotton and built railroads. you come from a long line of great poets. one of them said the very time i thought i was lost my dungeon shook and my chains fell off. and so -- and it goes on to talk

about the country celebrating the 100 years of the freedom 100 years too soon because we cannot be free until they are free, meaning the people who are discussing these issues now and who are opposed to reparations and who are opposed to talking about slavery. then he says, god bless you and godspeed. i feel like that's where we are now. 154 years celebrating the emancipation proclamation, in many senses 100 years too soon because many people still oppose it being a national holiday and still people who are against some sort of reparation. so we're going to talk about that on our show. >> is there any good argument, in your mind, for opposing it as a national holiday? >> yes, there is. i can understand where some people are coming from. as long as you educate yourself and you present a valid, good argument. i don't think mitch mcconnell's argument is good on this. >> no, not on reparations. i'm saying on making juneteenth a national holiday. >> sorry. no, i don't think there are any good arguments, none, against

it. think about it, what was columbus day about, right? you think about columbus day. america was here. if you ask a native american, columbus didn't discover america. if you look at valentine's day, that is a holiday. new year's day, that's a national holiday. labor day, that's a national holiday. look at thanksgiving, the harvest festival celebrating pilgrims. why can't we celebrate slaves who helped build this country, who helped build the economy of america? so i don't see any good argument against having this as a nation hall holiday. >> however, the resistance to that is a lens into what we saw today in that hearing coming out of it on reparations. just having it was a shocker. >> but i do see arguments for people, and, listen, if you can present a valid argument, i'm talking about reparations now, you know, i think people should listen to it, but at the end of the day, i think a lot it owed to the descendants of slave.

how do you do that? it's a very complicated process. sheila jackson lee is going to be on. she'll talk about that. i'm also going to ask cory booker. cory booker is in the thick of it with joe biden and joe biden's comments about working with former segregationists in the senate. >> biden knuckled up. he's not apologizing. he thinks cory should apologize. >> cory is the first person on the show when you and i get finished at the top of the show, we're going to talk to him about that. >> see you in a little bit. so we know there is a lot of division in america, but not just in politics, in general. and here's the argument tonight. everyone's thinking that we're an election away from a cure. i don't. i think the problem is way beyond politics and i have an example of what i think needs to change and it's a lot easier than winning an election. watch what i have to show you next. (gasp) (singsong) budget meeting! sweet. if you compare last quarter to this quarter... various: mmm. it's no wonder everything seems a little better with the creamy taste of philly,

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demagoguing is still a symptom. i argue the change we need is not external. i argue this is the true face of the enemy. and it is us at our worst, too often and has nothing to do with politics. >> what is happening? >> men who don't know how to throw punches and they don't know how to be examples to their kids at a little league game outside denver, colorado. the players were 7 damn years old. you see them in the background. running away in fear from their daddies. the trigger here, alleged bad call by a 13 year-old ump. apparently over the batting order. now four adults are facing disorderly conduct. police are still looking for the one guy, the man in the white shirt and the teal shorts.

sucker punched someone. he's looking at possible assault charges. you can hear a woman in the video ask over and over what's happening? what's happening? it's a good question. we talk about decency in washington. what's happening there is just a reflection of who we are. be honest. we need to demand better of ourselves. studies show being kind makes you happier. being kind is contiguous. it adds to longevity, success in relationships, and yet too often, too many are too mean. online for damn sure but offline as well. sure, potus and others play on prejudices and hot passion. they can't use what doesn't work. it works because we're prone to those base instincts. to put it short and sweet, for all that different leaders and better politics may mean, maybe if we started by being better to each other we would create different expectations and different out comes and reward different behavior in politicians. do your little bit of good where

you are. it is those little bits of good put together that overwhelm the world. desmond tutu said that and he was right. and even if it didn't butterfly effect into the body public, can any of us say our lives wouldn't be a little better if we were a little more conscientious about practicing kindness? that's our argument for tonight. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. >> you said it, brother. even the conversations we have here. people take it out of context. some of the guys in studio said you didn't get a chance to say really say everything you wanted to say because you were trying to rush, but i think we just need to give people a little bit more leeway in conversations because that's the way you discuss things, and you and i know that. actually, when we go and talk to people, even in person, we say this is a -- the difficult conversations that you have. not everything is perfect. we're not perfect, b