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tehran. president trump announcing additional sanctions after the military sanctions will be put on. they will be in retaliation for the shoot down. the president says the measures will be against the supreme leader. the president said they cannot and must not get a nuclear weapon and the president making sure he does not oppose war and he would love eastern to return to the negotiating table to negotiate a new nuclear deal. abby, how do white house officials view these sanctions? and do they see a political off-ramp? >> reporter: these are the tightening of screws on iran. they target iran's leadership, trying to change the strategy a little bit, focusing on the people that the president wants to really hurt the most as they try to get iran back to the negotiating table. the strategy here is to continue
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the maximum pressure campaign, frankly. the president's aids towards the end of last week, got to a point where they reverted back to saying that the sanction as they are, are working. they made it very difficult for iran to continue in the path that they are in. that's the view of the administration. so this latest move is just one more additional pressure point that the administration is trying to put on them in order to get them book to the negotiating table. of course, we still don't know if this is going to work. but in the president's view, his message to iran in this oval office meeting that we will hear in a few minutes was we exercised restraint last week when we did not carry out that strike in retaliation for the downing of a u.s. drone, but you can't count on the u.s. being restrained in the future. i think this is yet another warning message to that end. >> abby philip live in a very
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busy white house briefing. as abby noted, we will hear from the president of the united states. he announced these new sanctions, we will get a tape of that and comments he made in a few minutes, quickly we will share reporting and insights. cnn's manu raju, and it is the president intensifying pressure, the president saying this is targeting directly the supreme leader. the president saying, pick up the phone, i would like to negotiate even still a few tougher nuclear deal, it is also a president who just days ago overruled his advisers, called back on military strikes. now making a big bet that sanctions will work. >> yes, abby made a good point there, this is a continuation of the existing strategy. we haven't heard the details of what was mentioned this morning. >> already in place, the package of sanctions on iran is the toughest ever put on any country. it has had an effect.
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it pushed iran's economy into a multi-year consideratitraction. it's important the to note as you've alluded to, the one thing it hasn't done is brought tehran to the negotiating table for the one issue trump wants, which is to talk about the nuclear program. >> they are in part because tehran knows most of the european allies don't like targeting tankers, blowing up tankers, the european allies don't like shooting down an american drone. they think trump is responsible because he pulled out of the iran deal, responsible for the broader climate of mistrust and tensions. so they have not been standing with the united states saying ratchet up sanctions. they have been trying to find a way to get around that? >> right. at this point you see the two sides trying to call each another os blue. that's causing the step by step by step. the president is in some ways trying to recreate parts of the
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playbook but what they did by imposing severe sanctions to drive it to the negotiating table. part of the problem with sanctions is while they are fairly loveless, you can't control how effective they will be even when have you the best minds in the country working on how to torth specific leaders. at this point you have iran pushing saying we will enrich uranium to these levels this week. >> this week. let's listen to the president's sanctions. >> okay. thank you very much. in a few moments, i'll be signing an executive order imposing hard-hitting sanctions on the supreme leader of iran on the office of the supreme leader of iran and many others. today's action follows a series of aggressive behaviors by the iranian regime in recent weeks, including shooting down of u.s. drones, they shot down a drone i guess everyone saw that one. and many other things. they've done many other things
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aside from the individual drone you saw the tankers and we know of other things that were done also, which were not good and not appropriate. the supreme leader of iran is one who ultimately is responsible for the hostile conduct of the regime. he's respected within his country. overseas the regime's most brutal instruments, including the islamic guard core. sanctions imposed in the executive ord i am about to sign will deny the supreme leader and the supreme leader's office and others closely affiliated with him and the officer access to key financial resources and support. the assets of ayatollah khomenei and his office will not be spared from the sanctions. these measures represent a strong and proportionate response to iran's increasingly provocative actions. we will continue to increase pressure on tehran until the regime abandons its dangerous
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activities and as separations, including the pursuit of nuclear weapons, increased enrichment of uranium, development of ballistic missiles, engagement in and support for or terrorism, fueling of foreign conflicts and belligerent acts directed against the united states and its allies. the agreement that was signed was a disaster. it was not doing what it was supposed to do. many bad things were taking place and most importantly, it was so short term that within a very short number of years they would be able to make nuclear weapons and that's unacceptable. never can iran have a nuclear weapon. also included in this is we want the stoppage immediately of their sponsoring of terrorism. they sponsor terrorism at a level that nobodys ever seen before. that's been over the last number of years. they've taken all that money
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given to them by the past administration. much of it was given out to terrorist organizations. in fact, i remember when john kerry was asked a question of whether or not this money will be spent for terror, he actually said yes or at least he was referring to some of it. he said, yes, it will be used for terror. if you can believe that, we're giving him money saying yes, it can be used for terror. that was not a good answer. that was the least of it, frankly. so america is a peace-loving nation. we do not seek conflict with iran or any other country. i look forward to the day when sanctions can be finally lifted and iran can become a peaceful, prosperous and productive nation. >> that can go very quickly. it can be tomorrow. it can also be in years from now. so i look forward to discussing whatever i have to discuss with anybody that wants to speak. in the meantime, who knows what's going to happen? i can only tell you, we cannot ever let iran have a nuclear
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weapon and it won't happen and secondly, and very importantly, we don't want money going out to sponsor terror. they are the number one sponsor of terror in the world. so i'll sign this order right now. and i want to thank our military. i want to thank all of the people that have been working with me over the last number of months on this. i think a lot of restraint has been shown by us. a lot of restraint and that doesn't mean we're going to show it in the future. but, i felt that we want to give this a chance, give it a good chance, because i think iran potentially has a phenomenal future and i say that abouting in, too. i've said it abouting in. i thinking in has a phenomenal future. i think iran has a phenomenal future. i think a lot of people would like to see them get to work on that great future. so i'll sign this now and i
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appreciate you all being here. thank you. okay. thank you very much, everybody. >> mr. president, is your goal to negotiate with eastern? >> we would love to be able to negotiate a deal. if they want to. if they don't want to, that's fine, too. we would love torque frankly, they might as well do it soon.
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but, obviously, the people of eastern are great people. i know many of them. i lived in new york. i haven't been there very much the last two-an-a-half years, but i know many iranians living in new york. they're fantastic people. i have many friends that are iranian and it's just very sad what's happening to that country and the deal never should have been done. it wasn't ratified by congress. it wasn't properly done as you know, it was a treaty. it wasn't properly done. it was incorrectly done. we'll get it properly done. we'll see what happens. i hope for -- the people of iran are great people. i know so many in new york, these are great people. okay. anything else? >> just to be clear, this the u.s. response to the iranians shooting down the drone? >> this, you could probably, steve, add that into it. basically this is something that was going to happen anyway.
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>> reporter: [ inaudible question ] will you take additional action? >> i won't say what i'll dork i don't think they should do it. >> reporter: what is your message to the supreme leader, do you want to meet with him one on one? >> my only message is he has the potential to have a great country and quickly. very quickly. i think they should do that than going along this destructive path. destructive for everybody. it's destructive for everybody. we can't let them have a nuclear weapon. he says he doesn't want nuclear weapons. it's a great thing to say. a lot of things has been said over the years and it turns out not so. he said he does not want to have nuclear weapons. if that itself the case, we can do something very quickly. okay. thank you very much, everybody. . >> that was the president of the united states.
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>> it was a friendly letter, both ways. a very good relationship. >> at the end there, the president saying he had a nice exchange of letters with kim jong-un, the leader of north korea. most of that was sanctions he is imposing against the supreme leader of iran, both nations of the trump administration says does not want nuclear programs. iran was on the path of developing nuclear weapons. the trump administration pulled out, obviously, the events in recent weeks, where iran blamed by the united states for attacking tankers in the straits of hor m strait of hormuz. it was odd, u.s. officials were saying this is a direct response to retaliation of the shoot down of the drone. but then the president answering questions saying it might have happened anyway. here you have a president again,
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there was -- his national security adviser, his vice president and secretary of state were all on board with targeted military strikes that's a response of the shooting of the drone. the president pulled back. he said he does not want a war. he is trying to deescalate. he hopes sanctions will bring iran back to the table. >> the question is, will it change iran's behavior? punishing sanctions have been issued already. mike pompeo said just yesterday i believe 80% of the country has been hit with some level of sanctions. how much more will additional sanctions effectively change the dynamic? the question the president will be judgeled by is whether he made the right decision to pull out of the iran nuclear deem. these other tactics he is employing, does that change how iran is behaving? does that deter their ability to get a nuclear weapon? you have to take it to voters and convince them, if he made the right choice remains the same.
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>> who he is surrounding himself around with bolton first and foremost isn't something really that could foster a new iran nuclear deal. they don't like him. they don't trust him. and that in and of itself would probably be an impact. >> the iranians say they have no reason to speak to this president. it's fascinating when the president talks about this issue. we will hear from the treasury secretary. the president saying one of the reasons he walked away from the iran nuclear deal said it wasn't doing what it was supposed to do. every other signature said it was. it was a limited deal to slowly contain the nuclear program. what the trump administration was that's all it was. it did not, the obama administration said it could not get an agreement with iran to stop its ballistic missile programs and hamas and hezbollah. you could not get them to stop
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funding other proxies that porte, yes, terrorism and other bad actions in that area. so they decided to get an agreement on the one thing, that they could, the president secretary in the white house briefing room. >> hello, everybody. so i think as you know, i just left the oval office where president trump signed a new executive order authorizing even more expanded sanctions against iran. so now along with our existing sanctions authority, we have additional sanctions to go after the supreme leaders' office and lock up literally billions of dollars more of assets. along with that action today, we are also announcing specific actions targeting those responsible for recent activities. i think as you know, previously, we have sanctioned him from his behavior along with that today i am going to announce three of
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his other senior leaders, tang siri who is responsible for iranian regime forces threatening to close the strait of hormuz. haji day, who is the commander of the air force and responsible for downing the u.s. unmanned aircraft and international airspace. as long as pak por responsible for irc's ground forces. along with those, we are also designating five naval district leaders. kalam, shihi, these sanctions are all very important for recent activities. the president has also designated -- instructed me that we will be desic natd sa rizari
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later this week. with that, i am happy to take questions. >> the president stated last week the shoot down of the drone may be a mistake by local commanders oak. taken together what you have announced today would seem to indicate this wasn't a mistake, it was an intentional abilict t went up the chain. >> i wouldn't read into that. the executive order the president signed was in the works previously. these actions are people who have either made threats or specific things and again, i don't think you should interpret this anywhere otherwise other than we are designating people who we believe were responsible for the chain of command, whether they knew it or not. >> thank you so much for doing this briefing. what is your response to your critics who say these sanctions are more symbolic than substantive and they won't bring iran to the negotiating table because iran said they're not coming back to the negotiating table after the president -- >> i think the president was
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very clear, if they want to come back to the effect going table, he's -- to the negotiating table, if not. they won't. we have literally locked up tens and tense of billions of dollars. these sanctions will come along with additional entities where people are hiding money. so, no, these sanctions are highly effective. >> reporter: you see an attack on the oil tankers. we've seenen the p an attack on the drone. what makes you think these sanctions have been effective? >> there is no question, these sanctions have been very effective in cutting off funds. i can only presume, i'm not presuming why they are doing things, these are highly effective on locking up the iranian economy. as the president said, we look forward to a tie in releasing sanctions if they're willing to negotiate. >> reporter: thank you. when you talk about sanctions on the supreme leader, that is as
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high as you can go inside of iran. can you give us the thinking as to why the administration wanted to bring it up at that level? >> i think the president was clear, maximum pressure on the sanctions. so that is our strategy it's not just him. it's the leader's office which encompasses a whole range of activities. >> mr. secretary, thank you, have you done intelligence research to figure out what assets they may have in the united states or global financial system, do any of these people have assets outside of iran? >> the answer is when we do intel excellen sanctions, we do intelligence. we follow the money and it's highly effective. >> thank you. is a military option or reprisal still on the table? >> i obviously can't count comment on that, i will leave that to the president. >> thank you, mr. secretary. have you consulted with america's allies regarding these sanctions and is there a buy in
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from america's allies, will they be imposing sanctions similar if. >> i have not consulted on these specific sanctions. the answer is, in general, i have had many, many conversations with all our allies. i was in japan ten days ago meeting with the finance ministers and discussed our sanctions program. i will be going to the g20 with the president. again, this will continue to be a topic of discussion. >> mr. secretary -- >> i give it to you. >> you said this was in response to events of and the recent events. is that about the shooting down of the drone or the attack on the six tankers or both? >> again, what i said, some of these were in the works. some of these are in addition. all of the above. >>. >> reporter: what was the direct response to the drones? the president came close to military action, now you are coming back with sanctions, what is the direct response? >> some of them. i will not identify which ones are which. i've said that some of this was in the works. some of this is a result of
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recent activities. >> reporter: mr. secretary, how do these sanctions relate to president trump's deal of the century, what's happening coming up if faurn? >> i look forward, i'm leaving for bahrain in about an hour, so i look forward to our discussion in bahrain. we'll be rolling out the economic plan, which will be great opportunities for the people of palestine. we have a terrific group there of finance minsters, business leaders, all around the world. i think we have 350 people going, so i look forward it to. report. just following up on another question, you talked about the sanctions are effective in terms of inflicting pain on the economy. is this our evidence yet or will it be evidence you think having effect on iran? >> let me first comment that our issue is not with the people of iran. so i just want to be very clear. we are not looking at creating issues for the people of iran. having said that, we are -- have
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sanctions against bad behavior. there is no question locking this money up worked last time, there is no question locking the money works now. >> secretary treasury steven mnuchin leaving the briefing room, explaining how these sanctions came about, who they would target. he is making the case, he believes they will be quite effective going up the chain to the supreme leader of iran. at one point the secretry said these were in the works before. then he seemed to suggest that at least some adishlg sanctions were added to those the united states believes were in the carolina of command for those incidents. again, it's a bet from the administration here. the increasing sanctions, increasing, the effective leader. you are targeting the government and saying the former minister mohammed zarif could be added to the chain. he's essentially iran's spokesman over the world. he has been tweeting over the
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weekend that iran's view the drone did cross into the airspace. the u.s. military says that did not happen. also interesting, the secretary of the treasury, in a normal world, would answer the question, i just got off my phone my counterparts in london and germany and he says he has not consulted the united states stands pretty much alone on this issue. >> he said he has not consulted on these specific sanctions, that i have discussed this more generally, of course, we know the u.s. allies are not happy with the way the president's handled the iran nuclear deal. will they get support from this going forward in new sanctions? ultimately, the question is if it does not deter iranian behavior what will the u.s. response be afterwards? this president's reticent in going forward with a military strike. will he feel more pressure to do so if he feels they do not deter actions by the iranians. >> it's interesting if you come into the homefront here in a sense that liz cheney right after the president, liz cheney
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raised in a hue hewitt interview, a conservative congresswoman in wyoming, her dad the defense secretary, at first saying we got to be careful, iran need to see retaliation and now it can't pun were us, without punching back. you spoke to her a couple hours later, she said she was confident how the president was handling it and iran will eventually get the message. it will be interesting, you had hawks saying they shot down a drone. you have every reason to show a military intervention and send a message. the president announced new sanctions, iran days ago shot a drone out of the sky. the president tweeting today maybe the united states should pull back its military praens presence in the region. china gets 91% of the oil. why are we protecting the shipping lanes for other countries for many years with zero compensation. all these countries should be protecting their own ships. he goes on to talk about it.
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this has long be been the president's view, why is the united states the policeman of the world, in the middle to suggest part of the solution is to pull back, pull back united states military presence in a very tense region right now is striking. >> it's also undercutting the main argument for republicans why they would do a counterstrike. it's a self-defense argument. it's not an ar cane legal debate around. they're say figure you hit an american interest or international interest we have the right to retaliate in kind. so the president is kind of undermining his best argument there and creating more chaos in a situation that is a bit confusing where, frankly, even members of the trump administration know it would behoove them, otherwise, they would not be talking about negotiating deals, are people working toke, but to kind of pass the buck, suggesting the united states doesn't have to pick up the slack on this one when we have the most resources
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and stirred the pot a bit creating tension exist right now or contributing more than those allies does not, it's playing hardball with everybody, that may not work. >> it fully assures everything that the united states might do with iran and perhaps have conflicts in the future. >> the ought thing is we talk about the united states and europe and that what sort of united front they present around. there is very little discussion about what irish's regional bottom line interests are here, which matter a lot when you talk about the relationship with saudi arabia. it's all very, very relevant. you can't forget about one element. >> the trump administration is more in touch with saudi arabia and the uae, for example, look across in the neighborhood with great tradition than the traditional coalition, especially if you want economic sanctions to take place. but striking, we are seeing the president's impulses here more than we know the hawks in the administration, especially after the drone was shot down, now you
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have every reason to send a military message. >> that could escalate. his own instinct of a not having a war in the middle east. today pulling back even, just the timing of that is very odd, in the sense of this moment of high tension why would you suggest you are willing to pull back? it's confusing. you are in the middle of this tense conflict. you want to have a clear message coming from the united states about what is acceptable. what is not acceptable. where your thy thinkiyour think. when the president says these different things, it undercuts what he is saying and makes it difficult for people to find it to follow why we're in the situation we're in. >> every year there is some big pressing thing in the world. the president is about to fly to osaka, japan, the world's largest economies will be at the table. the people with the obama
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administration, russia and china are involved as well, they're frustrated the president pulled out. they understood its limits. they thought within those limits it was working. however, you can talk about that look in the rear view mirror. they are mad at president trump, they think he spoiled the neighborhood if you will. iran admits it shot a drone down from the sky. will those allies work with the president now? or because of what has happened in the here and now or are they so mad about what happened before, that they're going to stay back? >> we heard mnuchin allude to that, on the question of whether he talked to allies. he brought up or alluded to that these talks will continue once they get to osaka. i was at the white house on saturday when the president came out and talked at length about this as far as to this point, when you talk about the straits. it sort of sounded to me he was interested in some of these folks with bigger interest in the straits supporting his
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position. it seemed like a negotiating tactic to bring more people to the table, which obviously would complicate this further and sort of ignores the fact that they had several allies in place before he, obviously, before he came to the oval office. but the one thing i think that will be definitely be a time on the minds of the allies in osaka is how close, what trump's red line is now. all right. we heard him in the oval office a few minutes ago saying i showed great restraints, not always. i don't know how often, how long that restraint is going to last. >> that is the line that bolton has been picking up. bolton was definitely embarrassed by the events on thursday night. he was pretty furious about how all that unfolded in the president's last minute decision to cancel that. since then over the weekend in israel, he used almost that same line to say he showed restraint. we'll see for how long. >> we'll keep an eye on the days ahead. we'll watch as the president
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ambitious college costs proposal unveiled just days before the democratic debates. sanders proposes canceling $1.6 trillion of student loan debt for 45 million people. his plan has noel jiblt requirements, meaning borrowers don't need to show income levels for financial need in order to erase their obligations. bernie sanders says he will target stock trades, bonds, driveto deriff tores. he says wall street should pay up, help the lower class. >> ten years ago, the united states government bailed out wall street after their greed, their recklessness and their illegal behavior drove us into the worst recession in modern history. the american people bailed out wall street. now it is time for wall street to come to the aid of the middle class of this country.
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>> it is bold and ambitious. some would say it's over the top. why should somebody who makes a couple hundred grand or 100 grand who might need to borrow money but can afford to pay it back. that's the play here? >> look, he is seeing in the poll, rising in the polls, eating into some of his core supporters. he's clearly recognizes that, he is trying to find a way to reenergize his young supporters, people on the left, people, power insurge his candidacy, hillary clinton in 2016 is a much different campaign that he's faced with, so he came out with a proposal to essentially one up elizabeth warren's her own student loan proposal. of course, he wants to do this. >> exactly. so we'll see this is very difficult to see it ever becoming law, it's difficult a lot of people dispute it would only cost $1.6 trillion so that's a separate question.
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the real question is does this help him reshape the debate? >> reshape the debate in advance, you see democratic candidates putting out policy proposals so they have something on the debate stage. what do you say? let me play constrarncontraryia. back in march, he was at 25% in the monmouth university poll nationally. he is down to 14% now. if you look deeper, elizabeth warren is catching him, passing him, among voters describing themselves as liberal. the candidates struggling on the eve of the debates comes up with this hail mary big program. out in america, might it be received that to senator sanders' point, ten years ago, they bailed out the banks, they bailed out the car companies, if they're going to have bailouts, it might as well be me. >> it's a powerful message. the policy lets him provide that message. you know, it's hard to imagine a lot of voters getting too far
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down in the weeds on what this policy s. you can criticize sanders' policy saying should people over $250,000 be getting breaks, which is where warren caps it at. the analysis for the wall street journal most of the money goes to the highest earners when you give breaks to everybody and in large part because people with the highest debt or graduate degrees are largely the highest earners. so there are some complications when you get into that policy, but what sanders says, it does give him what seems to be right in his wheelhouse and a potentially powerful message with democrats. >> he's already been at war with moderate groups in the democratic party. the think tanks put out a statement that blanket forgiveness is bad politics. senator sanders says it's aggressive. they say it's regressive, why should people who have the money and can't pay their loans back, maybe help them get a better
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deem, why should they get forgiveness? >> there is the fine tuning of that argument when you talk about taxing people with more money, giving potentially a give away or a gift in a way doesn't square. it also only appeals to one sub section of the voting electorate. it's a big one, many get college debt, but as we saw, that has better numbers when it comes to people who don't have college degrees. they wouldn't have that debt. there is questions both about it is benefiting the most comfortable among us and it is also ignoring an issue that appeals to people on the lower end, the poverty end of the middle class section. what's his plan for that? >> it is, it's an issue not talked about that much in washington. i'm one of seven. the other siblings, they have their children. it's a big deal. the issue, itself, whether this is the specifics. this is an issue that doesn't get talked about. out in america it matters. >> it has a residual effect. if you have student loans, you
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can't buy houses, you might have children as soon as you like to because have you all of this debt. so it really is, with a certain demographic, you know, millennial's, i'm one of them, i have student loan debt. so this is targeting them. >> that said, this also is a really line in the democratic primary. because you do have numbers, that say we're not going to do this, it's not realistic. someone like an amy klobuchar who will have a counterpoint to bernie sanders. >> joe biden will be standing right next to him. and you know biden's architect, bright idea. too much. >> how does that go over with the same voters he wants to appeal el to, to be more realistic and say this is not going to happen in washington. we have to cut a deal with mitch mcconnell. >> that doesn't go over so well. >> if are you bernie, you'd love to have that fight. >> whoever will get tacked on to that fern, whatever the furthest left is, they're painting the
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mayor pete buttigieg is scheduled to head to florida for a big debate. home is causing anger and mistrust in south bend's african-american community was abundantly clear as the mayor promised an investigation of a fatal shooting of a 54-year-old blackman by a white police officer, adding to the anger, the police body camera did not record that encounter. >> get the racist off the street. it's disrespectful that i wake up every day scared. >> you all promote the bad officer and promote the good ones. you all got racism inside your police department. how we supposed to touch this? >> the people in the audience when have you the public forum are the same black people but they're not invited to the table. >> i want you to know the seat at the table is waiting for you and i would welcome more input on you how i can do a better job and making people feel they are
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actually welcome. >> lincoln hall was there and joins us now. lincoln, the chance where we don't trust you during that, explain to us the depth that the mayor's trust problem with his african-american community. >> reporter: yeah, unfortunately, this is not the first incident involving police that's sparked outrage over racial tension. there were people that flat out said we don't know if we can trust you or trust the police department. >> that kind of spurs from our council women said she doesn't see what's being done every time we have one of these incidents, the same thing is being said that we're working on building the trust. building that relationship. but here we are again with the same issue. so that just goes, they don't trust anything being done, mayor pete did deny the notion that nothing is done. he has put things in place. he did admit there is still a lot that needs to be done. >> as you have been covering this over the years ago how the mayor has been responding to
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this floor incident. is it different than things in the past? the question being because he knows there are national cameras. he will get closer scrutiny, not just at home? is he behaving differently? >> reporter: well, after every incident, he does talk to the community. he does open up that dialogue, inviting people to the table. this time around, he did get in front of the community a lot faster and more often in having that big venue of a town hall yesterday, so he does always have those dialogues, but you can't deny that people in our community are noticing that this time around he is running for president. but he says the chains this time is from what he's learned over his past years as the mayor that it's better to get out in front of the community right away, even if you don't have all the answers, even if there is not a lot of information to share, to get out in front of the community to be transparent. so that's what he says she doing. >> his argument he's running for
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president is america needs somebody with small town, mid-western values that get things done opposed to people in washington. cnn looked at some numbers, in green e 2014, there were 10% of the force. in 20 fine there are 13 african-american officers meaning it's fallen to just over 5%. is it fair to say every big city mayor has to deal with it, is it fair to say mayor pete in the is going in the wrong direction? >> reporter: you can't deny the numbers. yeah, our current police force is 5% african-american, 88% white. they're policing a south bend community 26% african-american. the numbers are there. they pretty much tell you the truth so mayor pete has said the biggest challenge facing the police department is minority recruitment. he at a town hall yesterday said he's tried everything he can think of to fix this problem and
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yet nothing is still working. but it goes back to that issue of trust. a man at the town hall asked pete, how you can ask me to join your police department when i don't trust it. so again, the issue to focus on is building that trust back. >> lincoln, we appreciate your perspective on reporting on the scene there. it's a fascinating challenge for the mayor as a mayor and candidate as well, i appreciate the reporting from the seen. one of our campaign reporters joins us conversation here. here's your challenge, dan, pete but gig has been making the case as i said you need a guy from small town america who gets it. who does it every day on the street. both on the question of how do you build trust with a critical african-american constituency in the democratic party. this one seems to be a problem, it's coming at a bad time for him. on the bigger question, he says i get things done. you saw those numbers there, that's headed int right direction. does that countermanned his argument if you will? >> what works for him is he
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stands out from the field. he is a mayor. most of these folks are not mayors. you need a mayor from a particularly unique city that has worked with him especially with voters in new hampshire and iowa. this is cutting the opposite way. being a mayor has worked for him so far. he's getting the opposite end of that right now. it is coming at a very pivotal time for his campaign and this was by far the most difficult week for his campaign to date. he expected to be fundraising in california and new york, going to south carolina, working on building his infrastructure there. going to the events that we all covered, instead, he is having the biggest issue of his candidacy highlighted on the national stage. >> that is his ability to relate to african-american voters. he does very well in polls with white voters. he does poorly in polls with black voters. at events, the electorate is 60% african-american, he isn't drawing a lot of support in that
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state. >> that itself why the story line is so critical. >> they have a story today about talking with african-american leaders. and he was asked during these private meetings, who are your black supporters back home? who can you name? he couldn't give them an answer. it was an answer he gave to several people that she spoke to so that in and of itself, not being able to answer that question is problematic. it's making some of these folks that hannah spoke to think that he's not serious and he's kind of naive about his interactions with the african-american community and what's going on in south bend is underscoring that right now. >> this is what happened in a long presidential race, sometimes people come up as mayor beat buttigieg did. took the outsider lane. now he has challenge in his day job. he had a campaign ena-maile-mai. he talks about safety and justice being inseparable. he ends it, i'm running for mayor because the toughest decisions we face locally are
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important national issues. again, to your point about south carolina, the democratic primary constituency once you get out of iowa and new hampshire. this is an every day life issue of african-americans to live anywhere in america. the question is when you see that anger in the mayor's face, from the people that know him best. some of them realize they have a national spotlight. they have every right to deal with an issue in their community. it can't help him at this employment. right? >> like dan said, his lack of support with black voters. one other critical issue. you have a mayor. could he win governor of his own state? could he be elected to his own state? and he's 30-something-years-old, 37-years-old, this just also raises the question of is he ready? well, we'll find out. is he being tested by this? we'll see how he handles it. maybe he'll surprise us again, keep watching. up next, the 2020 democrats as we said preparing to meet their rivals on the debate
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. nice to meet you. can i call you joe? >> that, of course, joe biden's most memorable debate. his face-to-face with sarah palin back in 2008. this week, he will share the stage with nine other democrats and the former vice president will be center stage because he is the front runner. >> that means he will take more heat. but don't bet on biden fooird fighting fire with fire. history tells us is to make the case he is right without getting too personal with rivals who think or voted differently. a flashback here, june, 2007, the issue, biden's democratic rivals voted no on a measure to fund the troops in iraq. >> why were senators obama, clinton, dodd and congressman co kucinich wrong in the funding? >> i will not tell you why i was wrong, i will tell you why i was right. >> why are you reluctant to say they were wrong you were right.
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>> i don't want to judge them. these are my friends, we work together hard to try to end this war. we had people telling everybody, stop the war, congress. we have 50 votes. we're busting our neck every single day, so i respect them. look, i cannot as long as this is a single troopp in iraq i know if i take action by funding them, i increase the prospect they will live or not be injured. i cannot and will not vote no to fund them. >> that was a big divide back in the day because the anti-war sentiment was so strong among the democrats the position of the debates was to vote no period. biden voted yes as he said troops were in the field, the finger point, he will take a lot of heat. that's what we will see. senator sanders has the right idea, i disagree here and there. >> he'll have to defend that often, make an argument, give a message of why he is running in this race, something he has not done as much, talk about exactly what he would do in this
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country, his policy ideas, his platforms, can he send up those fights from the left and the right, mostly from the left, of course, this debate. he was actually a pretty good debater back in the democratic primary in the 2008 campaign. that's one big reason why barack obama picked him for his ticket. hess candidacy didn't catch fire. but he did a pretty good job. so we'll see if his skills are -- >> it help itself whether he will be defensive. on the campaign trail, he has been extremely defensive. can he transition to who he was? >> he is center stage right now, he's the front runner. he's never had that mentality headed into these debates, especially not recently. >> you forget you had so many candidates on stage, you immediately think of the 2015, 2016, comparison race. i will make a comparison to that one. biden's message has long been he is the bridge builder. that's what got him into trouble
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last week. i think that is a powerful contrast to trump when, that could be powerful for him, the question will be whether or not democrats want to see a fighter instead of a bridge builder. >> see you tomorrow, keen na wheeler starts right now. [ music playing ] . >> i'm breana kieler live, under way right now, eighth prif oughtal week. the first debate. new plans, new obstacles, a new contender will be live this hour. disturbing accusations from an author against president trump. she says he pushed her against a wall and sexually assaulted her in the '90s. plus, deal or deport? as migrant children suffer inside u.s. border facilities, the president starts a countdown on the face of thousands of families. but first, the dispu
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