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at any other time it would be. today it's part of the a larger and troubling story of collective in difference. somehow and we'll explore why. the fact he's been accused 14 other times of sexual assault has known people to just how ab normal this is. when clinton was accused two decades ago it shook the country. now one allegation is an out rage. 15 is a statistic. he's on tape boasting about getting away with such assault. because he's a celebrity. back in the mid-90s. when e. jean carroll says this happened. in a dressing room a atd a new york clothing story steps away from trump tower. she writes about it in her book. >> i want to begin by asking you about the latest thing the

president has said. just moments short time ago. he said i'll say it with great respect. she's not my time. number two, it never happened. it never happened, okay? >> i love that. i'm so glad i'm not his type. i'm so glad. this is this was 20 years ago. i probably was at that moment in that five minutes the most attractive woman in that one bit of time. >> that's what it was about for him? >> i don't know what it was about. we were having a high old time. you remember donald trump. walking up and down the streets of new york. greeting everybody. >> 1995. he was shakes spear. he was great. when we met in the department store and he said help me advise

me to find a present. i was thrilled. i thought this is hilarious. >> the statement he said. she's not my type. that was the numb one thing. >> i love i'm not his type. >> he has said that previously. there was a woman who came forward. and he said i think we have the tape. of what he said. it echoes the language. >> when you look at that horrible woman last night you said i don't think so. i don't think so. she wouldn't be my first choice. you don't know. that wouldn't be my first choice. >> he called miss universe fat. miss pig i think. one of the most beautiful in the solar system. and he called her fat. >> the other thing he said is that you are totally lying. again he said i don't know

anything about her. i know nothing about this woman. she is just terrible thing people can make statements like that. >> he's denied all 15 women who come forward. he denies. and turns it around. he threatens and attacks. >> let's talk about what you say happened. obviously the details of it all matter. and this is i should point out just part of the this is one person you talk about in your book. this is not a book about trump. this is not the cover this is about your life and. >> we don't mention his name. once. >> i was coming out. >> a store you like a lot. >> i was just there today. i love it. i was coming out. he was coming in. he put his hand like this. i didn't go through the revolving door.

he said you're that advice lady. i said hey, you're the real estate guy. come advise me i want to buy a present. for who? for a girl. i was enchanted. it was such a great moment. so how about the handbags. no. how about a hat. he strolls to the -- >> you hadn't met him previously? >> once. briefly. there's a picture. >> that's the photograph. >> with my ex-husband. and ex-wife. a very nice -- >> he said he's never met you previously. obviously the picture which we have. tells a different story. >> we went to the hats and he put a grabbed a fur hat. of course. i said you can't put a dead animal on her head. all of his women wear the fur hats. ivanka. you've seen it.

he said how old is the young lady. he said how old are you? i said 52. he said you're so old. >> he said that? >> of course. you're so old. and shortly after that he said i know under wear. we went to the lingerie department. nobody there. there was nobody on the floor. it goes through bathing suits and the store was not popular at the time. nobody was there. on the counter -- >> that will sound strange to people. nobody was in the. >> it's the greatest store on the earth. they take care of whatever you want there. if you're thirsty they bring you water. it was a moment in time nobody was there. plus a dressing room door was open.

which is unusual. usually they're locked and the attendant comes and unlocks it. and escorts you in. so on the -- >> lingerie. he wanted you to help him pick it out. >> he was not having it with the hats. we went up. i am just like oh my -- i can die now forever. on this store. >> you go up to the lingerie department nobody is around. >> two or three boxes on the counter. and a filmy see through body suit. in gray. he snatches it up and says go try this on. i said you try it on. he said no, it looks like it fits you. it goes with your eyes. he said put this on. >> you're saying it's a friendly. >> we're joshing. >> i see i can an entire sketch

of making donald trump put this thing over his pants. that is what i'm thinking. i just i was laughing. he said whent like this. i walked in stupidly. >> it was a new york moment. >> the best new york -- donald trump is putting on a body suit. i couldn't -- let's go in the dressing room. i'll make him put the pants on. walked in and the minute i was in there he shut the door and pushed me against the wall and banged my head. on the wall. and kissed me. it was so shocking. i couldn't of course i started laughing again. because -- >> you started laughing? >> of course. >> why? >> it was a way of if it was all

erotic. if a man is laughed at it will make him -- he put his shoulder against me. to hold me against wall. at that point i realize i was in a difficult situation. >> did he say anything? >> no. no. it was just like we're going to do this. we're just so hot for each other. why would i even try to think what he was thinking. anyway. he pushed me held me with his shoulder. i was wearing a coat dress and tights. he pulled down the tights. and so. >> with both hands? >> one. and that was when it turned serious. i realize this was a fight.

and even though i can talk about it now, and put words to it. at the time all i want to do is -- >> what were you -- you said you were surprised. fighting. were you scared? angry? >> i was too panicked to be scared. >> too panicked. okay. adrenaline was pumping. >> i assume it was. because i got strong enough. he is 6'3". i was about 6'1" in the massive heels. and so, we were even almost even in height. and down go the tights. and it was against my will. and it hurt. it was a fight. >> and this is not a question i normally ask. if you don't answer i understand. but given the prior accusations

which have been of forms of assault or harassment. you're saying there was penetration. >> yes. >> did you -- which is puts it into a different category. of the other women who have come forward. that is the definition of rape. one definition. >> that's the definition. yes. >> how long -- >> brief. brief. because when a woman is stamping her feet. >> that's what you were doing. >> i always think back and think that was the stupidest thing i have done. i should have never done it. and i didn't -- >> you mean. >> a dumb thing to go into a dressing room with a man i hardly know. and have him shut the door and

be unable to stop him. and i was a competitive athlete. i wasn't like a i didn't freeze. i rose to the occasion. and it did not last long. and that's why i don't use the word. i use the word fight. >> not rape. >> sexual violence is in every country and society. i just feel that so many women are under going sexual violence. mine was short. i got out i'm happy now. i'm moving on. and i think of all the women who are enduring constant sexual violence. this one incident this one three minutes in the dressing room? i just say it's a fight. that way i'm not the victim. right? i'm not the victim. >> you don't feel like a victim? >> i was not thrown on the ground is ravished.

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room. and more specifically the word she doesn't use to describe it. >> before the break. you said you don't use the word rape. a lot of women hearing this, people hearing this wo believe you would say this is rape. >> i just have trouble with the word. i write an advice column for 25 years. and women write with devastating stories sp have been violently, you know, disposed of by men. i just feel too much respect for their suffering. i didn't suffer. i didn't suffer. i didn't lose my job. i wasn't beaten. i just don't use it. >> so you said you stomped your foot. and. >> i had my purse in this hand. by the time i got to fifth avenue, i reached in to get my phone. i was holding my purse the whole

time. >> do you remember leeing the store? >> i remember being out on the fifth avenue. i remember going through the first floor. out the door. i don't remember which doorment i was on fifth avenue. >> what is going through your mind? in that moment. you have gotten out. >> flight. i felt relief to get out. >> i don't think any guy can understand unless they have been sexually assaulted, what a woman goes through. >> i think everybody is different. >> what you're saying is you're attacked and this place. >> beautiful place. >> never expect to, that you enjoy being in. you just -- did you think about police? did you think about talking to friends? what was going through your mind? >> i called my friend. right away. and one of the first things she said is stop laughing.

this is not funny. >> you were laughing when you described it? >> i was laughing as soon as she got on the phone. apparently. i don't remember it. >> you talked to both friends who say you spoke to them. and one says that you were laughing. >> doesn't that just sound insane? i guess it was -- that's how i deal with things in life. to me life is a marriage of comedy and tragedy. if you don't laugh at things, you'll have a hard time moving forward. as you know. the way is to smile. get passed it and move on. that's a great way to handle it. >> you're a writer. at the time did you think about writing this? did you think about -- >> i wanted to forget it. >> really? >> oh. i thought it was my fault. i was stupid. i didn't think of it as the word

you're using. rape. i thought of it as a violent incident. a fight. i'll tell you how stupid i was. i thought i won. because i got out. >> the person on the phone did they tell you to -- they said they told us that they recommended you go to the police and offered to go with you. >> i'll go with you. you have to go to the police. you should report this. it was so beyond me to go any place to do anything. except go home kp shower. get clean. get in bed. >> was there a thought you should go to the police? >> no. i just didn't want the -- i didn't want to do it. i'm like, many many many other women. a lot of women it's a personal choice. do you want to go to the police and no. every woman has to decide for herself. >> you're a public person in new york very well known.

writer. on tv shows. did you worry it would define you in some sort of way? >> i think you're right. i think you're right. that is part of -- that's interesting. i hadn't thought of that. >> why then write about it now. why not -- >> i was ready. it was my time. it's like well, here's what happened. two years ago, meghan and a the bomb shell about winestein. that started the surge of me too. what happened is women who were writing to my advice column. they wanted to stand up to and wanted to should they go to the police. should they turn in their husbands or stepson. i thought oh my. two years of this. i am just such a -- what am i

doing? my correspondents i love them. >> you felt being fraudulent. given advice and you yourself. >> i'm telling them what to do. saying come forward. >> or not. not everyone woman should come forward. every situation is different. right. >> when you decide to write about it. again it's part of a larger book that this is not the subject of the entire book. this is obviously. >> it's a sliver. >> you knew -- you saw when jessica lee came forward and other women during the campaign. did you think this is the time i should add my voice? >> no, they're doing it. they were doing it. i watched from the sideline. something occurred to me. just two days ago. when clinton was running for president and there was the bim

bow explosion. i had lunch with mcgovern. what you think about all the women complaining about clinton. he said it's helping him. i said what? he said watch. it's helping him. >> and you believe coming forward helped trump. in what way? >> it shows mhim manly. he takes what he wants. he's rich enough to have any woman. he can pay them off. he can have any woman he wants. it plays well. >> e. jean carroll thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> reaction on what you heard and what the president said about e. jean carroll. that's just ahead. health is magnificent.

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president's latest defense in the face of the latest sexual misconduct allegation against him. he said e. jean carroll was not my type and she's lying. >> i'm wondering the statement he said. which is just made which is she's not my type. that was the number one thing. >> i love i'm not his type. don't you love your not his type. he called miss universe fat. one of the most beautiful women in the solar system. and he called her fat. >> joining us now. cnn political analyst. "new york times" columnist. and cnn legal analyst. thanks for being with us. the reaction from the president saying he doesn't never met her. that obviously there's a picture they have met. her response that this plays

well, this actually somehow it doesn't effect the way people see him. do you believe that? >> i was struck by her saying that to you. there's something probably to that. whether it is a portion of people within his supporters who finds sort of the idea of being macho and tough and taking what you want to be appealing. he had a similar statement in response to an allegation in 2016. accused of assault on a airplane. he said she wouldn't be my first choice. and that there is another similar statement. that is a striking statement. rape and sexual assault are not about sex. it's about power. he makes no distinction between them. the president has been very concerned about allegations about people against winestein and clinton.

>> it's a terrible thing that people can make statements like that. in his original statement friday night he said people should pay dearly for false accusations. some see that as a threat. what do you make of the allegation and the response? >> e. jean carroll is not another random woman that donald trump can dismisds. i grew up reading her column. what i love about her is still to the day she would lift somebody up and kick them in the butt at the same time. people are wondering are we numb to this. is this different? yes. it is in 2020. we the people have so much more information about donald trump sexual impulses than in 2016. michael cohen is in jail right now in part because of the lies that he told to silence stormy daniels and keep her truth from the public. he's following the same play book trying to smear the women.

saying she's not his type. it didn't happen. for this to matter people have to make the argument. someone has to put the question before the people. should sexual misconduct disqualify a man from being in a position of power? when you put it like that, obviously the answer is yes. but there was a time when the answer was no. that used to be no for someone like roger ails. harvey winestein. it became yes once people had clear information. and we have a pattern here. jean carroll is someone with credibility. women know her. they know her story. the way she counselled women for so long. when she tells you i came out with the story now because the women kept asking me for advice. she's doing what she's done for 25 years. telling her story and trying to help women navigate this time. >> there are people who will

listen and just discount this and say this is political agenda. selling a book. which is what the president pointed out. it is remarkable an allegation can be made against a sitting president and it's not the headline of every newspaper. >> it also her statements to you were extraordinarily striking. because it laid out a lot of the preconceived notions and misconceptions people have. about the definition of rape. she thought it was about sexual attraction. it's about power. and exploitation of power. little to do with sexual attraction. it's the idea of her what people assume a victim will act like. people have credibility issues. e. jean carroll because of the laughter she expressed in telling a friend. the idea she felt somehow blamed in her own mind for going into the dressing room with trump as

a citizen. the factors the jury and the court of public opinion look at and say somebody who says they are not fwal actually a victim. laughing through it. can i assign accountability. when i prosecuted a number of cases involving sexual assault and delayed reporting. one hurdle we face not only the jury but the person who was a victim. acknowledging what happened to them and saying the impact of it. we always had to guard against the idea of saying a victim is comes as they come. you cannot define and explain to them how they should be acting. if she's credible. >> what you said about this is this should be different. this is different. people know her. have read her column. just even the coverage of this, it hasn't gotten a huge amount of coverage or sustained coverage. >> even tonight there was news the new york post was instructed to take it out.

there's people that want to protect trump. these are very uncomfortable questions. i haven't seen democrats put out statements about this. it's an uncomfortable conversation. i trust that when you put it before people and in a clear way, should men who commit acts of sexual violence, assault, against women. should they be in positions of power. yes or no. we should not shirk away. there's people that want to duck and cover and hope this will go away. because it's harder to talk about. it's hard to watch a woman's pain. >> i don't know if this is would make -- you have more than a dozen people come forward. during a campaign. >> except during campaign is when people pay attention. to information. and this was not just at the end of the campaign. we reported on it at the times many months before the election. i think that the issue here in

part is that i think that voters have largely made up their mind in one direction about the president. if hearing about michael cohen and pay offs to a porn star didn't change peoples minds. i don't think anything will. >> the new york police department would investigate. but the statute of limitations expired. it's not retro active. >> he is offering to reopen the investigation. in the event she wants to go forward. even if it were available to her, she is saying she has decided based on the advise and counsel. that she naught thought i probably won't be able to win this. that speaks volumes about where we are. the idea of that one would think

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more breaking news in the interview he did with the hill. president trump weighs into politics and the man so far leading the democratic opponent. i should say. former vice president joe biden. extended rip on the earlier remarks about his intelligence. >> how he doesn't get president obama to endorse him, that has to be a reason why he's not endorsing him. he was the vice president. they seemed to have gotden along and president obama is not endorsing him is a big secret. if you want to know if you know the answer let me know. and he goes and lies and says i asked the president not to endorse me. give me a break. he asked the president because he's embarrassed he's not endorsing him. he was trying to get the endorsement. president obama knows something. there's something going on in that brain of his. >> maggie haberman joins me.

it's interesting he's it sounds similar to what -- similar to what he did to hillary clinton. raising the possibility throwing out the possibility there's something happening in his brain. >> it sound like late sage 2016. midstage. he is suggesting there's a medical issue. with biden. >> that obama knows about. >> i can't say. remember the refrain in 2016 there's something going on, folks. this is what that is. he's zeroing in on something the least credible thing biden said about his obama relationship. i asked him not to endorse me. and the two of them however donald trump didn't endorse mike pence recently either. i doubt he would say it's because of of the brain and a big secret about it. there are reasons why president obama may not endorse biden. it is in keeping with how president trump goes at biden.

>> the president does have a remarkable ability to zero in on something and this case, bideens statement that he told obama not to endorse him. which is just hard to imagine that is actually true. that the president zeros in on things which he has a point there. and obviously he's taking it to a medical issue. but it is one of the skills that he has. to hone in on a weakness. and make the most of it. >> yeah. first of all, thank you for giving me so much coverage to miss carol and allowing three women to have the voices. and what deserved to be a more serious conversation. in the meantime on the president donald trump is a master at planting smears. planting ideas that he he sprouts into bigger ideas.

what he suggesting is that he said i think he's off. he's different. he was saying that mentally and psychologically he's less of a man. less of a candidate than he was. from the same white house the same president that was furious with the questions raised about donald trumps own mental stability. in the president of course had the famous phrase, he's a very stable genius. to smack it down. this is par for course what we have seen. and very importantly it's suggests the race we'll have ahead. it will be a mean and frequently dirty race. >> does that work? all the evidence seems to point to the fact it does. >> negative politics works. it always has. we have seen in the campaigns cycles over four years, voters don't really hold it against candidates for going negative. they assume politicians are bad.

there's less of a cost for trump whose negatives are high already. he's not going to bring his own down that far is his gamble. he can't win reelection based on the math of his base. it can be through certain advantages. the math and tearing down the democrat. he assumes it will be biden. and thinks biden is someone who he knows how it run against. >> he talked about he doesn't need congressional aprooul for a military strike against iran. i want to play something he said. >> they have ideas that intelligence people come up with thoughts i actually learned a couple of things the other day. when we had the meeting with congress. >> i guess the members of congress relieved to learn the president thinks they come up with thoughts. the notion how do you think this whole iran thing has played out for the president? >> he's getting a fair amount of credit from the left.

i'm among the people who are thankful he didn't send in missiles. it would have made the situation worse. this hasn't played out yet. the iranians are about to break out of the nuclear agreement itself. it will get harder and tougher. it's not far away when they will start the break out. it's way too early to judge about how the presidential decision making it's sloppy. what the end result is i don't know yet. >> he said he doesn't like keeping congress abreast. he doesn't have to do it legally. >> i understand that is increase fwli the view of the white house. congress doesn't agree. it's been the view of white house on the matter of things. whether it's investigations or potential military action. this is going to be yet another thing that the democratic held house will try to have adjudicated by court.

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more details came out this weekend about the conditions in which migrant kids are being held in this country. republican congressman mccall called them the worst i've ever seen. a lawyer who visited the facilities in texas told the new yorker, children kept filthy and hungry, denied showers, vice president pence blamed democrats in congress and on nbc president trump falsely blamed president obama and then took credit for ending family separation. let's check in with chris now. it's amazing that the president is taking credit for ending family separation when, obviously, that was part of their entire policy. >> he did it. he likes the harshness of it. they continue to do it. that's the truth. there's a lot of ugly truth here. i have never seen a crisis since maybe when you were in new orleans talking about katrina that was as openly understood and ignored as this one is. they all know all about it, anderson, and no one is doing a damn thing. we're waiting this week.

so you have, why are they there? they are up against it. this is not about abuse that is intentional as far as i know, but that's starting to change. the el paso tent city is much better. imagine if they had money to build a lot more of those, that they have been begging for. the federal government was in court arguing that sanitary conditions does not require soap or toothbrushes. that's where this government's head is right now. they're putting a premium on harshness and it's horrible. >> and yet for this president it pays off. among supporters. >> it does. until somebody finds its positive opposite as a message. you cannot tell me that americans are happy about harshness against kids. they're not showing you those faces down there for a reason. they say privacy rights, anderson, i must respect these children's privacy rights. please. if you respected anything about it, the situation would be nothing like this. >> what do you got tonight?

>> so we have the campaign manager for bernie sanders to test his case about education. how is he going to pay for this, why is it fair? and you know who i have, chloe flower. you're going to love her. she flew up the grammys with cardi b. she mixes classical music with hip-hop. her song is number one on itunes. it doesn't even have lyrics. and she knows all this stuff about human trafficking, she's been doing that work with the u.n. longer than music. >> chris, we'll see you then. about seven minutes from now. president trump crying foul about the 2016 election results, unfounded claims, yes, a popularity contest. and a mantra from my favorite stand-up comic. all next on the ridiculist. nooooo.... yeeeesss.... quick, the quicker picker upper!

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"i'm okay." ♪ ♪ time now for the ridiculist. and tonight it's another entry from president trump's department of grievances. in an interview yesterday, the president repeated his claim that casper the deep state ghost somehow tampered with the 2016 election results. that's right. 2016. still talking about it. granted he was responding to a question, but he still took the bait like a big beautiful trump hotel sea bass. >> you didn't like the fact that you lost the popular vote, that bothered you, didn't it? >> again, it's something that's controversial. there were a lot of votes cast that i don't believe. i look at california -- >> mr. president -- >> excuse me. take a look at judicial watch

where california admitted to a million votes. >> okay. there are countless ways to respond to that. no one says it better than my favorite standup comic, jenny darcy. >> don't even get me started. white ladies, don't get me started. can i hear it from the sisters? don't get me started. no, you know what, get me started. >> don't get me started. don't even get me started. where have you gone, jenny darcy. this nation turns its lonely eyes to you. here's the thing, california never admitted to a million votes, quote, unquote, whatever that means. it sounds like something whispered of a now bankrupt casino. the settlement the president refers to is california removing the names of inactive voters

from the rolls. there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud, the president's claim was up to no good. despite these efforts such as they were of his voter fraud commission. don't get me started on that. what continues to blow my mind, and maybe it shouldn't at this point. i've had a couple of wine coolers, he's been hung up on this for nearly three years. the thing is, he won, he won the electoral college which is all that matters constitutionally. he is the president. take yes for an answer. just take yes for an answer. but he's like kind of like a jilted prom king who walks around all day listening to the soundtrack of broadway's "wicked." ♪ ♪ i'll show you what shoes to wear how to fix your hair, everything that really count

tocounts to be popular ♪ ♪ >> there's a show tune for everything. in my opinion. the president would actually love "wicked." it's a total cash cow. it may be difficult for someone to really absorb this but not everything is a popularity contest. regardless of the polls, the raw vote count, he's the commander in chief. he's got veto power and he's still very popular among his supporters and here on the ridiculist. news continues when i hand it over to chris. chris? >> i'm chris cuomo and welcome to "primetime." the first debates are coming this week. the democrats are unloading their big ideas and senator bernie sanders is burning up twitter. free college for all and wiping out all student loan debt in america. time to test the why and most importantly the how with sanders' campaign manager.