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advantage and i start with you. tomorrow night, what do you believe the task is for bernie sanders when he's on the debate stage? what do you think will separate him? >> to make it very clear that he is the visionary and the champion for the people that he has the courage to get it done and for him saving the american people, the working people of this nation, that there's not a middle ground for that and that he clearly is the one that can consistently from 2016 to this very moment has durable in the polls in terms of being able to go head to head with president trump and beat him. vision, courage and he can beat president trump. >> the center is nowhere. that's the argument you hear from warren and sanders. what is the counter that we need to hear from biden for him to be successful? >> well, i don't think joe will make this part of the debate, but clearly 70% of democrats are either moderate or slightly left of center.

we're not a progressive party and certainly not a socialist party. but joe biden has to answer questions not just to deflect criticism, he's got to turn that criticism into positives. if he's asked about the green new deal, he says the things that the green new deal wants to accomplish are all audible but we got to look at whether we can do it and we can't lie to the american people, but we can do this, this and this. he's got to propose solutions and turn the criticism around. >> this matters, but i have news that both of you are going to care about even more than this. hold on for a second. let's bring in manu raju. we've word of a major move to get more disclosure from the mueller probe concerning mr. mueller himself. manu, thank you for being on quick watch like this. what have we learned. >> major news involving robert mueller, the special counsel. just moments ago the house

intelligence committee and the house judiciary committee announced they have agreed, the special counsel has agreed to appear in public on july 17th in an open session to testify about the -- what he found as a part of his two-year investigation into russian interference as well as potential obstruction of justice in the white house. now, they say in this letter, both the chairman of this committee, jerry nadler and adam schiff, that they have subpoenaed bob mueller and he's agreed to testify under subpoena. now what they say in this letter, chris, is that they say they understand this is a letter that they wrote to the special counsel saying that we -- further understand there are certain sensitivities with your testimony and there are certain things that he will not say in these -- and of course mueller has said his work speaks for itself and does not want to

speak about this further. but they say this, the american public deserves to hear directly from you about your investigation and conclusions. we will work with you to address length concerns about preserving the integrity of your work. we expect you will appear before our committees as scheduled. mueller has agreed to a july 17th hearing in an open session and we know, chris, that the mueller team has fought this idea of coming in public, mueller has wanted to go behind closed doors, but now the democrats have said, july 17th, mark your calendars, a huge day in this investigation. we'll see what robert mueller will reveal on capitol hill. >> i think we have learned that behind closed doors does not resonate with the american people. the trust just isn't there. when it comes to bob mueller, he's the man that people need to hear from most. just so we're clear. they subpoenaed him. it seemed to push the process. he in return agreed he will not fight the subpoena. >> yes. that's exactly what it seemed like. there's been discussions about

under what conditions would he appear, they've discussed all sorts of possibilities. he would go behind closed doors for part of it, maybe deliver an opening statement publicly and answer questions behind closed doors. democrats did not want to go for that. so it appears what they call a friendly subpoena issuing a subpoena to compel his testimony. that's the only way he would agree. and we'll see if the white house takes any steps to prevent what mueller can say before this committee as they've done with other people who have testified -- >> i don't think they have the same reach. he had no connection to the white house. here's the big factor, here, to your question which is an intelligent one, is bob mueller still working for the department of justice right now? >> he's not. >> he's 100% gone. there are no tentacle on him. because that is big. >> that is big. we have seen what they have done to other former officials such as don mcgahn, hope hicks, said

they cannot discuss these communications with the president. can we discuss what they interviewed hope hicks about, don mcgahn about, other fact witnesses who have not come to capitol hill -- >> he can. he can. they can try to block, trying and succeeding are two very different things. he's not a white house official, he did not work for the president, there was no privilege. and to the point of context, here's the deal, mr. mueller has said the report speaks for itself. i'm not going to go beyond it. but the context of how they came to those conclusions is contained in the report and can be articulated because remember, most of us are like me, not smart enough to have processed the report like you did. so to hear mr. mueller say here's what we found, here's what it was based on, look at what he did in those ten minutes, the impact could be

profound. >> it absolutely could especially if he starts to detail exactly what was in the report. people start to connect and understand what he found, whether it's the ten episodes of potential obstruction of justice, the extensive russian interference campaign, but, chris, it's also a risk for democrats if mueller slips in any away, does not come across as a compelling witness, that could under way cut what the democrats are trying to portray in this report as well. this is a high-stakes hearing that everybody will be hanging on every word and probably one reason why the special counsel is going public is because he says the report speaks for itself, but it will be different under questioning from two committees, how mueller will answer them of course is all together a different question. >> and he's going to take a lot of friendly fire from people in his own fire because he represents a potential threat to this president. thank you for breaking it down.

quickly, mr. mueller was subpoenaed, it seemed to be part of a process, he's agreed to come on. there should not be a proattracted legal process with this. but july 17th in open session. so let's bring back nina turner and ed randall. how big a deal to the former vice president will the mueller probe be in terms of his pushing for accountability of this president in the debates. he will have an opportunity? >> absolutely. and i think everyone will view this as the first step towards real transparency. the american people deserve to know what was in that report. the summary given by the attorney is obviously false. mr. mueller is going to be able to correct that and tell the american people exactly what happened. >> and nina, another thing that's in the news maybe on our watch tonight, the house may finally get its act together and pass a bill to remedy somewhat the humanitarian crisis on the border.

the senator has talked about this but it is not a point of passion for him. i'm not saying he doesn't care about the border. i'm saying in the debate, he will have an opportunity to talk about how big a deal it is. what do you think he will say about what the border will be under his watch if he is elected? >> chris, it is a point of passion for the senator. the senator sent out emails to his lists to push back on the raids that president trump wanted to do. >> true. >> one of the biggest lists of any democratic candidate, period. so the senator cares about this because this is a humanitarian crisis and he will continue not only to talk about it, but as the american people can see, that even before he becomes the next president of the united states of america, he's taking the action that's necessary -- >> i'm saying, none, including biden, has owned that border the way they have other fiscal issues, here's my plan, here's what i'm going to do, here's why, here's what i will be doing in this situation. they haven't done it that way,

nina. that's why i ask. >> the senator has said under this watch this would not happen. part of him saying no more private prisons. the private prison industry owns the facilities that those young children and their families are in. no more making profit off of other people's misery. the senator understands that very clearly and he will continue to push for that. >> thank you. i'm sorry i gave you short. i wish you luck. robert mueller is subpoenaed to testify next month. he has agreed, that's the good news. and this is good news, period. what does it mean to members of congress? we have a key one next, and she is also key in whether or not the house can get a bill done to remedy what is wrong on the border. next. e done... and stay done through every season.

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♪ we're here. ♪ ♪ breaking news confirmed by cnn just moments ago, robert mueller will testify and in public. that is huge. when? wednesday, july 17th, before two committees, the house judiciary and intelligence committees. that's a lot of people, a lot of questions, and there's going to be a lot of heat. democratic congresswoman joins me now. we have other business to take up about what's going to happen on the border, but this news matters. what does it mean to you that mr. mueller will testify in public?

>> i think it's criticlly important, chris. and i think the american public needs to hear from robert mueller. it was -- he was the special counsel. the report is out there, it's his report. he needs to put the interpretation on his report rather than other people defining it for him. it's very, very big news and i'm very pleased. >> and i think it's a nonpartisan situation. obviously the right doesn't want him there. but the american people need to hear from him because so many have not read the report. okay, so that's what we know. let's go to what we don't know. will you get it done in the house to finally pass something that will remedy the emergency on the border? >> yes. we will have a -- >> tonight? >> tonight, we will have a very strong vote tonight. i was with you three weeks ago and i said what our goal was was to, yes, that the money would be there, but what we have to have as well as the protections for these children who are in these

facilities because we know that in the past there have been abuses, and then the third piece of this was in fact how do we devise the system for moving them out of these facilities to go to a safe placement, to be there and to do it as expeditiously as possible. we have accomplished that in this bill. it's $2.9 billion and we have built in the protections including legal services for youngsters, case management, making sure that for the very first time, chris, the very first time, that the standards of care in the flores agreement will now be mandated for these influx shelters that have been exempt from these standards in the past. and if the grantees do not comply, the contracts will be

revoked. one or two other things, very, very important, what we accomplished here was to say that when a sponsor comes forward, when a sponsor comes forward, that the information from the sponsor cannot be used for immigration enforcement or for deportation. >> why? >> well, because what happened is that in the past what they did when people came forward, if they were found to be undocumented, these people were deported. so they dried up the pool of sponsors and that is -- they almost ground this to a halt. >> two things -- >> one other piece. the sharing of the -- well, the sharing of the information. and moving these children more quickly out of the -- out of the system to a safe placement. the folks they have have to be vetted so it's a safe placement. >> one, as you know, a lot of

the licensing is done at the state level and they have their own recommendations. we're going to have to see how that policy dove tails. but that's not my concern. i don't understand the i.c.e. piece. that has already been suspended currently. they are not taking that kind of information and using it to act against the sponsors. so are you concerned that you are injecting something into it that's not really necessary under the current conditions because it's suspended. >> this is the case because first of all, this language is already in the department of homeland security bill. it is now in our bill. but understand, chris, the memorandum of agreement had nothing to do with i.c.e. it had to do with hhs, health and human services, and the department of homeland security that said you send the information. so i.c.e. was not off this. put i.c.e. aside and what this

is -- this is already in the department of homeland security bill -- >> i hear a buzzer. >> i hear the buzzer. >> i don't want you to miss the vote. this really matters. we talked on tv, we talked off tv. i know that this matters. i'm worried about poison pills. i want the progress of seeing the money get to the border, please good luck on the vote. i hope it gets passed. >> it's going to be a strong vote tonight, chris. we need your help, the senate needs to move and the president needs to understand. he can talk about humanitarian crisis but now we got a resolution of it. this ought to pass the senate and he ought to sign this legislation. >> thank you. don't miss the vote. i appreciate it congresswoman, especially with the timing being so sensitive. that's what the buzzer is. we have more on these two big pieces of news. i know the mueller news looms large. i get it and it should. for him to be there july 17th in

public is huge. but i'm telling you, we're sleeping on this border situation and i think it defines us here and aboard more than we are owning in this moment. so we have the chairman of the judiciary committee, the house judiciary committee, jerrold nadler, he's obviously instrumental in what happens. let's get right back. in on my o ♪ goin' down the only road i've ever known ♪ ♪ like a-- ♪ drifter i was ♪born to walk alone! you're a drifter? i thought you were kevin's dad. little bit of both. if you ride, you get it. geico motorcycle. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more. before discovering nexium 24hr

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two big stories breaking on our watch, robert mueller will face lawmakers and the nation july 17th in public. that's the key part. he's going to testify before two house committees. you're going to have the judiciary and intel committee. there's going to be a lot of people and drama. people aren't reading the report. they won't have to because mueller will tell you what they found and why. now, the other big story, the house is voting at this moment on a crucial border aid bill despite a white house veto

threat. we have former dnc chair howard dean joining me right now. thank you for being here. mueller being in public, what will that mean? >> it's not going to be good for trump or the republicans who basically covered trump's butt ever since this began. mueller has got enormous credibility. he's not flamboyant. you won't see any of that stuff. you may see it from the committee members, but this is not a good thing for donald trump. >> what does it mean for democrats? if he is compelling, he doesn't get eaten up by his own who are coming after him because of what he might represent for the president, don't the democrats have to pick a path? >> we'll see. this could be the beginning, the one that you've been advocating for for a long time. >> be clear, be clear, dean, i'm not advocating for anything except making a decision because this fish nor foal doesn't make

sense. if you think you don't need too, then move on. >> normally if you compare impeachment to a court proceedings, you have to get some evidence before. >> impeachment of bringing articles of impeachment. i'm saying the process of amassing facts to see if you should impeach, that's called an impeachment inquiry. >> we could do that, the question is how much evidence are we going to get. if you have to do that to get the evidence, you should. we need some facts before we go down the road of impeachment. >> you have the mueller report. >> that's why it's important. and a lot of the mueller report was redacted by barr who shouldn't have redact what had he did. >> most of it is in the part i which is about the counter intelligence where they didn't find any crimes of conspiracy to act on. and relatively, you got most of what you needed to know but you may get some more here. i doubt mr. mueller would play with any of the graduations and

he knows them volatilery well. but you think this is a definitive move? >> there's an enormous amount of evidence of financial malfeasance with the trump family. we're not done here. we need to get michael cohen back to talk some more. if he gets impeached, it won't be just because of the russians, it's going to be because he's a crook. >> the umbrella has always been to my nose abuse of power. i didn't know how right we were, i didn't know that the guidance that was given to the special counsel about not indicting a president was literally part of his understanding going into it. i think they should have told us that. but i did see that people were going to be disappointed and certainly they were. i think that was about the left actually overselling what the possibilities were. let me ask you about something.

i had the congresswoman on. this provision sounds like a poison pill to me, the white house had threatened already, and i understand why. the requirement, howard, that if you have somebody come as a sponsor, you can't look to see whether or not they're documented. you got to make sure these are the right people and the properer types of people to take. that's already been suspended, that requirement about information sharing. and it feels like it's salt in the wound and almost asking for a fight. why put that in there right now? >> that you have to ask rosa. these things are important and difficult. and times you have to put stuff in there to get the last few democratic votes. this is not a perfect bill. there have been a lot of people who didn't want to vote for this bill in the democratic party.

i forget who said this, but it was an advocacy group for immigration saying you got to pass it, we good to do something and i don't know if you saw the incredible picture today of -- >> we saw it. >> of a father and a little girl -- >> and we fought to show it. we wanted to protect people and giving them the warning, this is really graphic and maybe you don't want to look at it. i think the opposite is the truth. we shouldn't look away. and to be fair, i think that the democrats have missed an opportunity, they've wasted months to jump on this, we are heart, we will give you this money, and they haven't. >> well, they will now. that was a similar picture as you well remember a few years ago which turned around the issue of immigration in europe and the problems that they were having. this is an extraordinary picture. this shows the cruelty of donald trump. this is going to be a big election issue. this goes right to moral character in a place that every

american, no matter where they are, small children, who die because of donald trump's cruel policies, that is unacceptable, to almost every decent human being that is an american citizen. >> i don't like using the fix of a fence. i'm against a fence. everybody knew it wasn't a fix for this situation and this president is going to have some ownership of that. but there's a lot of shame to go around here and this has existed for a long time and the rule is in place right now make no sense and they're not doing anything except pointing fingers. i think it hurts everybody. >> the separation policy, it's his policy -- >> he likes the message of deterrence, the harshness of it.

>> when you start punishing children, you've made a mistake. and i think they'll remember this like trump trying to get rid of pre-existing conditions bans. >> on the debate stage is one thing, but those who want to make it a big deal now, they're going to have to answer about where they've been up until this point. thank you. >> thank you. >> great to have you. still to come, house judiciary committee chair, jerry nadler, this is a big night, what does he except? how difficult was the process to get mr. mueller to come. that's going to be helpful in understanding what kind of mueller are we going to get. and does he have any concerns about whether or not this bill will get done. nadler coming up on a big night, next. people, our sales now apply to only 10 frames. a new low! at visionworks, our sales are good on over 500 frames.

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two big stories breaking on our watch right now they're voting on whether or not to pass a bill in the house to give the money needed to stop the crisis on the border. that's where the house judiciary chair is. he just got a deal to have bob mueller testify in public on july 17th. we have manu raju up there on capitol hill. we're supposed to have the chairman, but he's in there

voting on the border bill. both of these breaking stories coming together at once. what are you hearing in terms of how tricky this was to get mueller? and i want to know this not because of the politics but because of the practicalities of how willing mr. mueller is to come? >> he was not willing at all. this is why there have been negotiations that have happened for weeks. democrats have tried to get him to come before congress in a public session, but he's pushed back, asked for that to happen in a private testimony and adam schiff made comments that this is not a friendly subpoena. this is something that the special counsel -- we're live right now on cnn. was this a friendly subpoena, was it a -- was it something in which the special counsel asked to be subpoenaed to come before your committee? >> i don't think the special counsel's office considering it a friendly subpoena. he was and is deeply reluctant to come testify. but he's agreed to respect the

subpoena so we expect all of the members of your committee will have an opportunity to ask questions. >> how is this going to work? >> it will be back-to-back hearings between the two committees. there's time also allotted for executive session after mueller testifies, that will be with his staff, and in terms of the order of hearings, it's my presumption that the judiciary committee will question him first, but we'll still be working on the logistics. >> what is the most important thing that you need to hear the special counsel say. he's saying he's not going to go beyond the four corners of the report, can you reveal anything new? >> there's no limitation on confining his testimony to the four corners of the report. that may be his desire, but congress that has questions that go beyond the report and he's more than willing to make statements that go well beyond anything in the mueller report, indeed, in his case, misrespect

t misrepresent the mueller report. questions from some of the prosecutorial decisions that were made, some questions on statements that were made. thank you, senator. there you have it hear about how he views this going down, chris. >> it's going to be adversarial on both sides. it has to be back to back. but it's interesting here the timing of the subpoena, was that just done now or had he been quietly issued the subpoena weeks ago in this process? do you know that? >> it's unclear at the moment, that's a question that i'm sure the chairman of the judiciary comes on, you can ask him that. what's clear is that these negotiations have been happening behind the scenes for weeks, this is the only way that he

would essentially come is if he was forced to come. he doesn't view this as a friendly subpoena, that's what schiff just said. he said the special counsel did not want to appear in public. we'll see. but that was an interesting comment from adam schiff just now that he does not expect him to only answer questions within the four corners of the report -- >> he's not required to stay within the four corners, that may be his wish, but that will not be the wishes of the democrats and the democrats. it's an interesting moment. we're always saying congress isn't doing anything, tonight they're doing a lot. they got the mueller thing done, and they're voting. those buzzers meant adam schiff had to go vote. now the house chair jerry nadler walked schiff and manu during the interview. he has already voted. so he's free to talk to us. i would never want to compromise a vote let alone on something as important as this border bill. we're going to get the house

chair as soon as he's ready. let's bring in asha rangappa. this is an interesting thing, the timing of the subpoena, did they issue it quietly weeks or longer ago and then negotiated this way to this point or could you see a scenario, asha, where they would have negotiated and needed the subpoena to push it over the line? >> well, chris, i think that what thing that mueller has made clear is that he does not want to get in political cross fires and what he said in his press conference is that the report speaks for itself. it does. it's 448 pages. it explains quite a lot. so i think for him to get a subpoena, to be required to come in to testify, for him in some ways insulates him from the idea that he's trying to promote some narrative of his own, but he's really there at the request of these committees. >> got you.

>> i'm not sure what happened behind the scenes. but i think that that is really his interest in this is to protect the integrity of the investigation. >> asha, appreciate the perspective. thank you very much. i'm going to go from you to the chairman of the house judiciary committee, jerrold nadler, democrat from new york. good to have you, sir, especially on an important night. i'm assuming you voted on the border bill? i do not want to delay you in any way. mueller says i won't go beyond the report. most people haven't read the electorate a report and what he said wasn't new, but it matters to hear it from him s. that your interest? >> our interest is for the american people to hear it from him. there's been a campaign of misrepresentation from attorney general barr who misrepresented what was in the report by the

president, the president saying they found no collusion, that's not true. so it's important that he answer a lot of specific questions. i think one of the questions that isn't specificallily in the would be -- you wrote a letter, mr. mueller, to the special -- to the attorney general saying that he had in ways misrepresented the report, how so? but i think it's important the american people hear from him what he did find and didn't find. >> how worried are you that he wants to do this so little that he's going to be nonresponsive when he gets before you? >> i think he'll answer the questions and it's up to us to ask questions that will it leli the information. he found that there were 170 contacts between the russians and the people in the trump campaign. he found that the trump campaign welcomed the intervention of the russians and the assistance of the russians, he found plenty of

obstruction of justice and the president trying to obstruct his investigation and all of that has to be stated publicly. >> one more quick thing. i think that means you have to go back in. are you worried about the white house blocking mueller or the doj blocking mueller or content? >> no, i'm not really worried about that because mueller is an honest, upstanding citizen and he will testify in response to the subpoena that we issued. he's not going to let the white house or anybody else tell him to defy a lawful congressional subpoena. >> and they don't have any right of privilege, and does the attorney general have any right even though mueller is no longer an employee. >> no he has no right whatsoever. the administration has claimed with respect to hope hick and is mcgahn immunity which is nonsense and we're going to show that in court. but, no, there's no right to defy congressional subpoena.

the white house might assert some privilege but when they reveal that this -- a lot of the information to mueller and even to private attorneys, they waive the privilege. i think he'll answer the questions that are put to him because he's an upstanding prosecutor. >> do you think this border vote, do you think it's going to be straight party line or do you think you'll have enough republicans signing on this to keep the white house at bay and maybe get through the senate? >> i don't know. i haven't been with the republicans. i think it will be close to party line from what i hear. >> does that concern you, that the situation -- >> yes it concerns me that plenty of people are willing to vote in such a way as to keep the terrible conditions for these children, the separation of the families, the keeping of children in unsanitary, unhealthful conditions, six have died so far, yes, it concerns

me. i said in conversation to some other people that a no vote on this bill is a political statement, a yes vote is a moral imperative. >> i know some members of the left of the democratic party weren't crazy about this bill either. i hope somebody is going to show the picture of the father and daughter face down in the water having died trying to cross the river. i hope somebody introduces it at the vote. >> that is why it's a moral imperative. no bill is perfect, but it's the best we can get. it will help these kids. it will save lives. >> mr. chairman, such an important night. two different stories, you're involved in both. thank you for sharing your perspective with my audience. >> thank you, chris. this picture i'm talking about, listen, i think it's everything. this was a debate within news organizations whether you show it. that's not unusual. we're worried about the startling effect of this grizzly

reality. this is terrible whether you're a parent or blood pumping through your veins. and the idea that this is some type of suggestion that we're doing things the right way is just wrong. this picture came out now for a reason. hopefully it motivates the men and women of both parties to realize whatever is holding them back can't be as important as what they can get done to avoid situations like that picture. they said, you know, should we show it? you can't look away and that's why cnn decided to show you that picture because this is the reality. not left and right, it is right and wrong. we have an argument for you next. "i got" so bookers are booking a one, two, three, that's a four day weekend "awesome" and with getaway deals on accommodation starting from 15 percent off, you can be a booker at booking dot com on accommodation starting from 15 percent off,

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veto. why? because there are provisions in here the democrats call the protections the president and members of the right will see as restribss that are unnecessary. there a an argument to be made how do you strip this down to keep it as straight to the need as possible. political question. but a practical one as well. speaking of that. i want to show you this picture again. it is hard to look at. the reality is hard. we don't moralize here. this is a matter of fact. that is a father and daughter. not even two year-old. the migrants from el salvador. and now they're dead. they drown on the mexican side of the river. the photograph just breaks your heart. that little girls arm is wrapped around her fathers neck. she's tucked in his shirt. oscar martinez and that little

girls name was angiu. i understand people see the picture and feel. and you'll attach significance to it. you'll say that was their choice. but what if it was desperation. well that father didn't have to do it. what if he had no better choice. you can look and say, the president did what he needed to do. with what the fence? this was never a fix. listen, you have to see it for what it is. president has sold you on a brown menace. they're rapists and murders and bad fempeople. they're not. this is true. this happens all the time. desperate dads and moms and kid. texas authorities reported seven new migrant deaths including a woman, two babies and a toddler. thought to have died from heat

exposure and dehydration. that's the reality. i have been to the border over and over. to call attention to want crisis. many have. twice in the past few months. the problems aren't new they are getting worse. this video is from a documentary i did two years ago. authorities were worried about the flow being too much. people were dying so often the medical examiner she had -- those trailers are full of bodies. full of bodies. she was over capacity of dead. trump and his team came in knowing about the need. they chose harshness over readiness. a fence was never the fix to this flow. and they knew it. congress knew too. and they choose not to do what is needed. even this bill, i'll take progress. we can let it be the enemy of inaction let alone perfection.

it has some potential poison pills that the democrats know could stop it all. and they have to make the political calculation. what do they have to swallow to get this done? maybe oscar and an ji's story will resonate. more than numbers. maybe not. maybe many of you will say come the right way. the reporting is this father did. they came, they couldn't get in. metering they call it. they don't have the capacity for the flow. you don't have papers you have to go. the idea that it's on this dad. he shouldn't have done this. i have to disagree with the mind set. i respect the law. it doesn't tell you the full story. this is an expensive and scary endeavor for the folks. i have seen the trip. they make it for their kids. not to their kids. these parents and kids they have

dreams as big as the expansion they are willing to challenge. as big as the odds. they risk everything. wouldn't you if you thought you had no other chance of give your kid the life they deserve. now babies taking care of babies. no soap, no toothbrushes. lawyers arguing you don't need that to have sanitary conditions. we're making it sound like it's new. like they're exposing bad acts. those are both wrong inferences. the people in charge of telling congress for months. this president has known for months they couldn't handle the flow. and the conditions were deteriorating. i saw the same both times in different places and told you about it. if someone does something wrong, they should be called out. held to account if they're not treating the kids the rite way. the media has known the reality.

this isn't new. some covered it some haven't. it ain't new. know that. people who live near the border stations, heard about the conditions. they were moved. because as much as we have government incompetence we have compassion. they start trying to drop off tooth paste and diapers and soap. ta leave notes. that say i heard you need soap and tooth paste for kids. maybe more will be on the way soon. why do they leave notes? because of the irony at play. the donations aren't been accepted. there's a law that mandates that government agencies can't take donations. they only get what's given by congress. congress glektneglected the cri. border worker buy or bring stuff from home. in america. how stupid can government get? yet as i said, equal or greater to our weaknesses are strengths in this country.

that's why i have so much belief we can make a better choice than looking at fathers and toddlers face down dead in the water. and think it's on them. so you want to help? don't go to the facility. send or deliver to someone like sister nor ma at the humanitarian center in the texas. that's a big flow area. i'll tweet it out. she was in some of many i reporting. she helps family get what they need. there are other places you can go. the providence hostile. you can look that up. the american red cross. i'll put it on twitter. they're helping people. they shouldn't have to do it. what's not helping. >> we're doing a fantastic job under the circumstances. the democrats aren't approving money. where's the money? the democrats are holding up the humanitarian aid. >> not true.

why doesn't he go. make a stick demand the help. not just the opportunity. use the emergency declaration you shouldn't have gotten for the fence. does had think separating kids help his message of deterrence? congress has taken way too long. for the right to say the left is to blame. that ignores they're in control of the is that the and they took just as long. it's a good question. what is wrong with them with all of us on this? we hear these select members being out raged. why hasn't it been a point of obsession? kids are sick and dying. who are we in the country the words on the statue of liberty maybe just words to those in the white house. they were for generations the promise that brought my grandparents here. diversity made us strong. it is our strength.

and for those of you who say you care so much take thm in. look, take a look at the pictures. look back. too many of you will have ancestors dismiss the same way. i wish i could fix it. this is not about letting everyone in. it's not about letting most in. the rules need to change. it's about how we treat those who try to get in. for those who want to be president and debating tomorrow. you want to be different? better than who's there now? make your stand on this issue. tell us what you would do. as for what is right here, believe in something bigger than yourself. matthew 25u 45. he will answer when you refuse to help the least of these, you will refuse to help me. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" starts now. >> the kids. sorry. th