what can we accept in our way of governance and one of these issues is going to be what are we going to accept on climate, on environment overall. it's making us less healthy. it's threatening our health. >> governor, appreciate it. >> my pleasure. governor christine todd whitman. i want to hand it over to chris. >> thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "primetime." 2020 democrats are on the cusp of their first major test and there's one candidate who does has a big advantage, we're going to take it all on in our "primetime" primary tonight. this is one night that could change the race. let's bring back our wizard of odds, o-d-d-s, not o-z. the breakdown of who's best positioned to surge. and this is the reality of the border. not politics, not right, not left, it is right and wrong. and even death.

a father and his 2-year-old daughter died trying to cross into the united states. the little girl died hugging her father. the house says it finally has a deal that has been delayed for months. are we done hiding for the reality? will this pass on our watch? hopefully it's a big night. let's get after it. the two most far left candidates in this 2020 race won't share the debate stage tomorrow, but senators sanders and warren share a goal, crush joe biden. but how far is too far left? that's going to be a big question. let's get our "primetime" primary debate under way. with nina turner and ed

rendell. good to have you both on the show. it's good to have you on the show. >> nice to be here. >> nina, you've been on here before. don't think it's about unfair advantage and i start with you. tomorrow night, what do you believe the task is for bernie sanders when he's on the debate stage? what do you think will separate him? >> to make it very clear that he is the visionary and the champion for the people, that he has the courage to get it done and for him saving the american people, the working people of this nation, that there's not a middle ground for that and that he clearly is the one that can consistently from 2016 to this very moment has been durable in the polls in terms of being able to go head to head with president trump and beat him. vision, courage, and he can beat president trump. >> the center is nowhere. that's the argument you hear from warren and sanders. what is the counter that we need to hear from biden for him to be successful? >> well, i don't think joe will make this part of the debate, but clearly 70% of democrats are

either moderate or slightly left of center. we're not a progressive party and certainly not a socialist party. but joe biden has to answer questions not just to deflect criticism, he's got to turn that criticism into positives. if he's asked about the green new deal, he says the things that the green new deal wants to accomplish are all audible but we got to look at whether we can do it and we can't lie to the american people, but we can do this, this, and this. he's got to propose solutions and turn the criticism around. >> this matters, but i have news that both of you are going to care about even more than this. hold on for a second. let's bring in manu raju. he's over on capitol hill. we've word of a major move to get more disclosure from the mueller probe concerning mr. mueller himself. manu, thank you for being on quick watch like this. what have we learned?

>> major news involving robert mueller, the special counsel. and efforts to get him to testify on capitol hill. just moments ago the house intelligence committee and the house judiciary committee announced they have agreed, the special counsel has agreed to appear in public on july 17th in an open session to testify about the -- what he found as a part of his two-year investigation into russian interference as well as potential obstruction of justice in the white house. now, they say in this letter, both the chairman of this committee, jerry nadler, and adam schiff, that they have subpoenaed bob mueller and he's agreed to testify under subpoena. now what they say in this letter, chris, is that they say they understand this is a letter that they wrote to the special counsel saying that we -- further understand there are certain sensitivities with your open testimony and there are criminal investigations that are

ongoing. and there are several things that he will not say. mueller has said his work speaks for itself and does not want to speak about this further. but they say this, the american public deserves to hear directly from you about your investigation and conclusions. we will work with you to address legitimate concerns about preserving the integrity of your work. we expect you will appear before our committees as scheduled. mueller has agreed to a july 17th hearing in an open session and we know, chris, that the mueller team has fought this idea of coming in public, mueller has wanted to go behind closed doors, but now the democrats have said, july 17th, mark your calendars, a huge day in this investigation. we'll see what robert mueller will reveal on capitol hill. >> i think we have learned that behind closed doors does not resonate with the american people. the trust just isn't there. when it comes to bob mueller, he's the man that people need to hear from most. just so we're clear. they subpoenaed him. it seemed to push the process. he in return agreed he will not fight the subpoena.

>> yes. that's exactly what it seemed like. there's been discussions about under what conditions would he appear, they've discussed all sorts of possibilities. he would go behind closed doors for part of it, maybe deliver an opening statement publicly and answer questions behind closed doors. democrats did not want to go for that. so it appears what they call a friendly subpoena, issuing a subpoena to compel his testimony. that's the only way he would agree. and we'll see if the white house takes any steps to prevent what mueller can say before this committee as they've done with other people who have testified -- >> i don't think they have the same reach. he had no connection to the white house. here's the big factor, to your question which is an intelligent one, is bob mueller still working for the department of justice right now? >> he's not. >> he's 100% gone. there are no tentacles on him. because that is big. >> that is big. we have seen what they have done to other former officials such

as don mcgahn, hope hicks, said they cannot discuss these communications with the president. can he discuss what they interviewed hope hicks about, don mcgahn about, other fact witnesses who have not come to capitol hill -- >> he can. he can. they can try to block, trying and succeeding are two very different things. he's not a white house official, he did not work for the president, there was no privilege. the idea of things being privileged under the doj, i don't understand that in this context. here's the deal, mr. mueller has said the report speaks for itself. i'm not going to go beyond it. but the context of how they came to those conclusions is contained in the report and can be articulated because remember, most of us are like me, not smart enough to have processed the report like you did. so to hear mr. mueller say here's what we found, here's

what it was based on, look at what he did in those ten minutes, the impact could be profound. >> it absolutely could especially if he starts to detail exactly what was in the report. people start to connect and understand what he found, whether it's the ten episodes of potential obstruction of justice, the extensive russian interference campaign, but, chris, it's also a risk for democrats if mueller slips in any way, does not come across as a compelling witness, that could undercut what the democrats are trying to portray in this report as well. this is a high-stakes hearing that everybody will be hanging on every word and probably one reason why the special counsel has been reticent about going public because he says the report speaks for itself, but it will be different under questioning from two committees, how mueller will answer them of course is altogether a different question. >> and he's going to take a lot of friendly fire from people in

his own fire because he represents a potential threat to this president. manu, thank you for breaking it down. quickly, going back to nina and ed, mr. mueller was subpoenaed, it seemed to be part of a process, he's agreed to come on. there should not be a protracted legal process with this. but july 17th in open session. so let's bring back nina turner and ed rendell. how big a deal to the former vice president will the mueller probe be in terms of his pushing for accountability of this president in the debates? he will have an opportunity. >> absolutely. and i think everyone will view this as the first step towards real transparency. the american people deserve to know what was in that report. the summary given by the attorney general is obviously false. mr. mueller is going to be able to correct that and tell the american people exactly what happened. >> and nina, another thing that's in the news maybe on our watch tonight, the house may finally get its act together and

pass a bill to remedy somewhat the humanitarian crisis on the border. the senator has talked about this but it is not a point of passion for him. i'm not saying he doesn't care about the border. i'm saying in the debate, he will have an opportunity to talk about how big a deal it is. what do you think he will say about what the border will be under his watch if he is elected? >> chris, it is a point of passion for the senator. the senator sent out emails to his lists to push back on the raids that president trump wanted to do. >> true. >> one of the biggest lists of any democratic candidate, period. so the senator cares about this because this is a humanitarian crisis and he will continue not only to talk about it, but as the american people can see, that even before he becomes the next president of the united states of america, he's taking the action that's necessary -- >> i'm saying, none, including biden, none has owned that border the way they have other

fiscal and legitimate policy issues, here's my plan, here's what i'm going to do, here's why, here's what i will be doing in this situation. they haven't done it that way, nina. that's why i ask. >> the senator has said under his watch this would not happen. part of him saying no more private prisons. the private prison industry owns the facilities that those young children and their families are in. no more making profit off of other people's misery. the senator understands that very clearly and he will continue to push for that. >> nina, ed, thank you. i'm sorry i gave you short shrift. i wish you luck. robert mueller is subpoenaed to testify next month. he has agreed, that's the good news. and this is good news, period. what does it mean to members of congress? we have a key one next, and she is also key in whether or not the house can get a bill done to remedy what is wrong on the border. next. [happy birthday music]

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very pleased. >> and i think it's a nonpartisan situation. obviously the right doesn't want him there. and they're going to hit him heavy and hostile. that's part of the job. but the american people need to hear from him because so many have not read the report. okay, so that's what we know. let's go to what we don't know. will you get it done in the house to finally pass something that will remedy the emergency on the border? >> yes. we will have a -- >> tonight? >> tonight, we will have a very strong vote tonight. i was with you three weeks ago and i said what our goal was was to, yes, that the money would be there, but what we have to have as well as the protections for these children who are in these facilities because we know that in the past there have been abuses, and then the third piece of this was in fact how do we devise the system for moving them out of these facilities to go to a safe placement, to be there and to do it as expeditiously as possible. we have accomplished that in this bill.

it's $2.9 billion and we have built in the protections including legal services for youngsters, case management, making sure that for the very first time, chris, the very first time, that the standards of care in the flores agreement will now be mandated for these influx shelters that have been exempt from these standards in the past. and if the grantees do not comply, the contracts will be revoked. one or two other things, very, very important, what we accomplished here was to say that when a sponsor comes forward, when a sponsor comes forward, that the information from the sponsor cannot be used for immigration enforcement or for deportation. >> why?

>> well, because what happened is that in the past what they did when people came forward, if they were found to be undocumented, these people were deported. so they dried up the pool of sponsors and that is -- they almost ground this to a halt. >> two things -- >> one other piece. the sharing of the -- well, the sharing of the information. and moving these children more quickly out of the -- out of the system to a safe placement. the folks they have have to be vetted so it's a safe placement. >> one, as you know, a lot of the licensing is done at the state level and they have their own recommendations. we're going to have to see how that policy dovetails. but that's not my concern. i don't understand the i.c.e. piece. that has already been suspended currently. they are not taking that kind of information and using it to act against the sponsors. so are you concerned that you

are injecting something into it that's not really necessary under the current conditions because it's suspended. and it may upset the white house and political right and stymie this? >> this is the case because first of all, this language is already in the department of homeland security bill. it is now in our bill. but understand, chris, the memorandum of agreement had nothing to do with i.c.e. it had to do with hhs, health and human services, and the department of homeland security that said you send the information. so i.c.e. was not off this. put i.c.e. aside and what this is -- this is already in the department of homeland security bill -- >> i hear a buzzer. >> i hear the buzzer. >> i don't want you to miss the vote. this really matters. congresswoman, we talked on tv, we talked off tv. i know that this matters. i'm worried about poison pills.

i know you want your protections. i want the progress of seeing the money get to the border, please, good luck on the vote. i hope it gets passed. and i hope it becomes law. >> it's going to be a strong vote tonight, chris. we need your help, the senate needs to move and the president needs to understand. he can talk about humanitarian crisis but now we got a resolution of it. this ought to pass the senate and he ought to sign this legislation. >> thank you. don't miss the vote. i appreciate it, congresswoman, especially with the timing being so sensitive. that's what the buzzer is. she's got to get back inside. we have more on these two big pieces of news. i know the mueller news looms large. i get it and it should. for him to be there july 17th in public is huge. but i'm telling you, we're sleeping on this border situation and i think it defines us here and abroad more than we are owning in this moment. so we have the chairman of the judiciary committee, the house judiciary committee, jerrold nadler, he's obviously instrumental in what happens.

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house is voting at this moment on a crucial border aid bill despite a white house veto threat. we have former dnc chair howard dean joining me right now. i want to get your take on both of these. thank you for being here. mueller being in public, what will that mean? >> it's not going to be good for trump or the republicans who have basically covered trump's butt ever since this began. mueller has got enormous credibility. he's very careful. he's not flamboyant. you won't see the kind of language that some of republican witnesses have said, your time is up. you may see it from the committee members, but this is not a good thing for donald trump. >> what does it mean for democrats? if he is compelling, he doesn't get eaten up by his own who are coming after him because of what he might represent for the president, after that don't the democrats have to pick a path? >> we'll see. this could be the beginning, the one that you've been advocating for for a long time.

>> be clear, be clear, dean, i'm not advocating for anything except making a decision because this fish nor foul doesn't make sense. if you want to assess the facts, that's an impeachment inquiry. if you think you don't need to, then move on. >> normally if you compare impeachment to a court proceedings, you have to get some evidence before. >> impeachment of bringing articles of impeachment. i'm saying the process of amassing facts to see if you should impeach, that's called an impeachment inquiry. >> we could do that, the question is how much evidence are we going to get. if you have to do that to get the evidence, you should. we need some facts before we go down the road of impeachment. >> you have the mueller report. >> that's why it's important. that's why it's a big deal. and a lot of the mueller report was redacted by barr who shouldn't have redacted what he did.

>> most of it is in the part one which is about the counterintelligence where they didn't find any crimes of conspiracy to act on. and relatively, you got most of what you needed to know but you may get some more here. i doubt mr. mueller would play with any of the gradations and he knows them very well. but you think this is a definitive move? >> there's an enormous amount of evidence of financial malfeasance with the trump family. we're not done here. we need to get michael cohen back to talk some more. if he gets impeached, it won't be just because of the russians, it's going to be because he's a crook. >> the umbrella has always been to my nose abuse of power. i didn't think the mueller probe would introduce any criminality. i didn't know how right we were, i didn't know that the guidance that was given to the special counsel about not indicting a president was literally part of his understanding going into it. i think they should have told us that. but i did see that people were going to be disappointed and

certainly they were. i think that was about the left actually overselling what the possibilities were. let me ask you about something else. i had congresswoman delauro on. she's been pivotal about the bill on the border. this provision sounds like a poison pill to me, the white house had threatened already, and i understand why. the requirement, howard, that if you have somebody come as a sponsor, you can't look to see whether or not they're documented. you got to make sure these are the right people and the proper types of people to take. that's already been suspended, that requirement about information sharing. and it feels like it's salt in the wound and almost asking for a fight. why put that in there right now? >> that, you have to ask rosa. i'm not on the floor, i'm not a member of congress. these things are important and difficult.

and sometimes you have to put stuff in there to get the last few democratic votes. this is not a perfect bill. there have been a lot of people who didn't want to vote for this bill in the democratic party. i forget who said this, but it was an advocacy group for immigration saying you got to pass it, we got to do something and i don't know if you saw the incredible picture today of -- >> we saw it. >> of a father and a little girl -- >> and we fought to show it. one of the ironies here, we wanted to protect people and giving them the warning, this is really graphic and maybe you don't want to look at it. i think the opposite is the truth. we shouldn't look away. and to be fair, i think that the democrats have missed an opportunity, they've wasted months to jump on this, we are heart, we will give you this money, and they haven't. >> well, they will now. or they're about to in 15 minutes with the vote. that was a similar picture as you remember a few years ago which turned around the issue of immigration in europe and the problems that they were having. this is an extraordinary picture.

this shows the cruelty of donald trump and the republican party. this is going to be a big election issue. this goes right to moral character in a place that every american, no matter where they are, small children, who die because of donald trump's cruel policies, that is unacceptable, to almost every decent human being that is an american citizen. >> howard, i don't like using the fix of a fence as a panacea. i'm not against a fence. everybody knew it wasn't a fix for this situation and this president is going to have some ownership of that. but there's a lot of shame to go around here and this has existed for a long time and the rule is in place right now make no sense and they're not doing anything except pointing fingers. i think it hurts everybody. >> the separation policy, it's

his idea, his policy. >> he likes the message of deterrence, the harshness of it. there's no question. >> when you start punishing children, you've made a mistake. and i think they'll remember this like trump trying to get rid of pre-existing conditions bans. before the midterms. >> it's a powerful suggestion. on the debate stage is one thing, but those who want to make it a big deal now, they're going to have to answer about where they've been up until this point. howard dean, thank you. >> thank you. >> great to have you. still to come, house judiciary committee chair jerry nadler, this is a big night, what does he expect? how difficult was the process to get mr. mueller to come? that's going to be helpful in understanding what kind of mueller are we going to get. what does he think about the border? does he have any concerns about whether or not this bill will

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right now they're voting on whether or not to pass a bill in the house to give the money needed to stop the crisis on the border. that's where the house judiciary chair is. this is a huge night for him. he just got a deal to have bob mueller testify in public on july 17th. we have manu raju up there on capitol hill. we're supposed to have the chairman, but he's in there voting on the border bill. both of these breaking stories coming together at once. what are you hearing in terms of how tricky this was to get mueller? and i want to know this not because of the politics but because of the practicalities of how willing mr. mueller is to come. >> he was not willing at all. this is why there have been negotiations that have happened for weeks. democrats have tried to get him to come before congress in a public session, but he's pushed back, asked for that to happen in a private testimony and adam schiff made comments that this is not a friendly subpoena.

this is something that the special counsel -- we're live right now on cnn. was this a friendly subpoena, was it something in which the special counsel asked to be subpoenaed to come before your committee? >> i don't think the special counsel's office considers it a friendly subpoena. he was and is deeply reluctant to come testify. but he's agreed to respect the subpoena so we expect all of the members of our committee will have an opportunity to ask questions. >> how is this going to work? >> it will be back-to-back hearings between the two committees. there's time also allotted for executive session after mueller testifies, that will be with his staff, and in terms of the order of hearings, it's my presumption that the judiciary committee will question him first, but we'll still be working on the logistics. >> what is the most important

thing that you need to hear the special counsel say? he's saying he's not going to go beyond the four corners of the report, can he reveal anything new? >> there's no limitation on confining his testimony to the four corners of the report. that may be his desire, but congress has questions that go beyond the report and he's more than willing to make statements that go well beyond anything in the mueller report, indeed, in his case, misrepresent the mueller report. so, questions about the role of the agents within his team, to questions about some of the prosecutorial decisions that were made, some questions on statements that were made. we have any number of questions for him. >> thank you, senator. there you have it hear about how he views this going down, chris. >> it's going to be adversarial on both sides.

it has to be back-to-back. but it's interesting here the timing of the subpoena, was that just done now or had he been quietly issued the subpoena weeks ago in this process? do you know that? >> it's unclear at the moment, that's a question that i'm sure when the chairman of the judiciary comes on, you can ask him that. what's clear is that these negotiations have been happening behind the scenes for weeks, this is the only way that he would essentially come is if he was forced to come. he said he doesn't view this as a friendly subpoena, that's what schiff just said. he said the special counsel did not want to appear in public. we'll see. but that was an interesting comment from adam schiff just now that he does not expect him to only answer questions within the four corners of the report -- >> he's not required to stay within the four corners, that may be his wish, but that will not be the wishes of the democrats in the congress. it's an interesting moment.

we're always saying congress isn't doing anything, tonight they're doing a lot. they got the mueller thing done, and they're voting. those buzzers meant adam schiff had to go vote. now, the house chair jerry nadler walked schiff and manu during the interview. he's getting micced up right now. he has already voted. so he's free to talk to us. i would never want to compromise a vote let alone on something as important as this border bill. we're going to get the house chair as soon as he's ready. let's bring in asha rangappa. she's on the phone. she worked at the fbi. this is an interesting thing, the timing of the subpoena, did they issue it quietly weeks or longer ago and then negotiated this way to this point or could you see a scenario, asha, where they would have negotiated and needed the subpoena to push it over the line? >> well, chris, i think that one thing that mueller has made clear is that he does not want

to get in political crossfire and what he said in his press conference is that the report speaks for itself. it does. it's 448 pages. it explains quite a lot. so i think for him to get a subpoena, to be required to come in to testify, for him in some ways insulates him from the idea that he's trying to promote some narrative of his own, but he's really there at the request of these committees. >> got you. >> i'm not sure what happened behind the scenes. but i think that that is really his interest in this, is to protect the integrity of the investigation. >> asha, appreciate the perspective. thank you very much. i'm going to go from you to the chairman of the house judiciary committee, jerrold nadler, democrat from new york. good to have you, sir, especially on an important night. i'm assuming you voted on the border bill? are you clear of that responsibility? i do not want to delay you in any way. mueller says i won't go beyond the report.

most people haven't read the report and what he said wasn't new, but it matters to hear it from him. is that your interest? >> our interest is for the american people to hear it from him. there's been a campaign of misrepresentation from attorney general barr who misrepresented what was in the report by the president, the president saying they found no collusion, that's not true. so it's important that the american people hear from him. it's important that he answer a lot of specific questions. i think one of the questions that isn't specifically in the report. you wrote a letter, mr. mueller, to the special -- to the attorney general saying that he had in ways misrepresented the report, how so? but i think it's important the american people hear from him what he did find and didn't find. >> how worried are you that he wants to do this so little that

he's going to be nonresponsive when he gets before you? >> i think he'll answer the questions and it's up to us to ask questions that will elicit the information. remember, he did a two-year investigation. he found that the russians attacked our election. he found that there were 170 contacts between the russians and the people in the trump campaign. he found that the trump campaign welcomed the intervention of the russians and the assistance of the russians, he found plenty of obstruction of justice and the president trying to obstruct his investigation and all of that has to be stated publicly. >> one more quick thing. i think that means you have to go back in. are you worried about the white house blocking mueller or the doj blocking mueller or content? >> no, i'm not really worried about that because mueller is an honest, upstanding citizen and he will testify in response to the subpoena that we issued.

he's not going to let the white house or anybody else tell him to defy a lawful congressional subpoena. >> and they don't have any right of privilege, and does the attorney general have any right even though mueller is no longer an employee? >> no, he has no right whatsoever. the administration has claimed with respect to hope hicks and mcgahn absolute immunity which is nonsense and we're going to show that in court. but, no, there's no right to defy congressional subpoena. the white house might assert some privilege but when they reveal that this -- a lot of the information to mueller and even to private attorneys, they waive the privilege. i think he'll answer the questions that are put to him because he's an upstanding prosecutor. >> do you think this border vote, do you think it's going to be straight party line or do you think you'll have enough republicans signing on this to keep the white house at bay and maybe get through the senate? >> i don't know. i haven't been with the republicans. i think it will be close to

party line from what i hear. >> does that concern you, that the situation -- >> yes, it concerns me that plenty of people are willing to vote in such a way as to keep the terrible conditions for these children, the separation of the families, the keeping of children in unsanitary, unhealthful conditions, six have died so far, yes, it concerns me. i said in conversation to some other people that a no vote on this bill is a political statement, a yes vote is a moral imperative. >> i know some members of the left of the democratic party weren't crazy about this bill either. i hope somebody is going to show the picture of the father and daughter face down in the water having died trying to cross the river. i hope somebody introduces it at the vote. >> that is why it's a moral imperative. no bill is perfect, but it's the best we can get. it will help these kids. it will save lives.

therefore it's a moral imperative to vote for it. >> mr. chairman, such an important night. two different stories, you're involved in both. thank you for sharing your perspective with my audience. i appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. this picture i'm talking about, listen, i think it's everything. this was a debate within news organizations whether you show it. that's not unusual. we're worried about the startling effect of this grisly reality. this is terrible whether you're a parent or you just have blood pumping through your veins. and the idea that this is some type of suggestion that we're doing things the right way is just wrong. this picture came out now for a reason. hopefully it motivates the men and women of both parties to realize whatever is holding them back can't be as important as what they can get done to avoid situations like that picture. they said, you know, should we show it? you can't look away and that's why cnn decided to show you that

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a big question has been answered. will the house do something about the tragedy on the border that is a daily occurrence? the answer is yes. at least for the house. it just passed 230-195. what does that mean? some democrats crossed the line to be against it. some republicans did it the other way. but it was basically a party line vote. the president has threatened a veto. why? because there are provisions in here that the democrats call protections that the president and members on the right will see as restriction that's are unnecessary. and there is a legitimate argument to be made that how do you strip this down to keep it as fundamentally straight to the need as possible? it's a political question but it's a practical one as well. and speaking of that i want to show you this picture again. i know it's hard to look at. the reality is hard. we don't moralize here.

this is a matter of fact. that is a father and daughter. not even 2 years old. they're migrants from el salvador, and now they're dead. they drowned on the mexican side of the rio grande. the poignancy of this photo just breaks your heart. that little girl's arm is wrapped around her father's neck. she's tucked in his shirt. oscar alberto martinez, and that little girl's name was angie valeria. listen, i understand that people will see this picture, and i know you'll feel. but then very quickly you'll attach significance to it. and you'll say, well, you know, that was their choice. but what if that was desperation? well, that father, he didn't have to do this. but what if he felt he had no better choice? and you can look at it and say, look, you know, the president did what he needed to do. with what? the fence? that was never a fix.

listen, you have to see it for what it is. the president has sold you on a brown menace, they're mostly rapists and murderers and bad people. no, they are not. as true as that statement is, this reality is 100 times more true. this happens all the time. desperate daddies and mommies and their kids. texas authorities reported seven new migrant deaths including a woman, two babies and a toddler. they're thought to have died from heat exposure and dehydration. that's the reality. i've been to the border over and over to call attention to this crisis. many have. i've been there twice in just the past few months if you watch here. the problems aren't new but they are getting worse. this video is from a documentary i did years ago. two years ago. authorities were worried then about the flow being too much. people were dying so often the medical examiner i'm with in this documentary she had -- you see that? those trailers are full of bodies.

full of bodies. she was over capacity of dead. trump and his team came in knowing about the needs. they chose harshness over readiness. a fence was never the fix to this flow. and they knew it. congress knew too. and they choose not to do what is needed. even this bill, look, i'll take progress. we cannot let to be the enemy of inaction let alone perfection. but it has some potential poison pills that the democrats know could stop it all, and they have to make a political calculation. what do they have to swallow to get this done? maybe oscar and angie's story will resonate more than just numbers. maybe not. maybe not. maybe many of you are still going to say so come the right way. look, the reporting is this father did. they came. they couldn't get in. metered. metering, they call it.

they just don't have the capacity for the flow. so they're told you don't have papers you've got to go. and this idea that hey, look, it's on this dad, he shouldn't have done this. i've got to disagree with that mindset. i've got to disagree with it. why? because i don't respect the law? of course i respect the law. it just doesn't tell you the full story. this is an expensive and scary endeavor for these folks. i've seen that trip they make. they make it for their kids. they don't do it to their kids. these parents and their kids, they've got dreams as big as the expanse that they're willing to challenge. as big as the odds against them getting in. they risk everything. wouldn't you if you thought you had no other chance of giving your kid the life they deserve. and now we see the media covering reports of babies taking care of babies at the border station in clint, texas. no soap, toothbrushes. many sick. lawyers for the government arguing gnaw donthat you don't p and toothbrushes to have a sanitary conditions. limited rations.

we're making this b.s. sound like it's new, like they're exposing bad acts by our border folks. those are both wrong inferences. the people in charge have been telling congress for months. this president has known for months that they couldn't handle the flow and the conditions were deteriorating. i saw the same both times and in different places and i told you about it. if someone at cbp does something wrong, custom and border protection, they should be called out and held to account if they're not treating these kids the right way. how dare they? but the media has known this reality for months. this isn't new what they're telling you. some have covered it. some haven't. but it ain't new. know that. people who live near the border stations, heard about the horrendous conditions. they were moved because as much as we have government incompetence we have compassion in this country. so they start trying to drop off toothpas toothpaste, diapers, soap, shampoo, all the stuff they heard they need. they leave notes that say i heard you need soap and toothpaste for kids.

more will be on the way soon. why do they leave notes? because of the irony at play. the donations aren't been accepted. there's a law that mandates that government agencies can't take donations. they can only get what is given to them by congress. but congress has neglected the crisis. so they don't have what they need. in many cases border workers buy or bring stuff from home. in america? how stupid can government get? yet as i said, equal or greater to our weaknesses are our strengths in this country. that's why i have so much belief we can make a better choice than looking at fathers and toddlers face down dead in the water and think it's on them. so you want to help? don't go to the facilities. send or deliver to someone like sister norma at the humanitarian respite center in mcallen, texas. that's a big flow area. i'm going to tweeted all this out. sister norma was in some of my reporting i did. she helps family get what they need. yes, i'm a catholic. it's not about being catholic.

if you don't want to do that don't do it. there are other places you can go. francis tarngs la posada providencia. the providence hospital. the american red cross. i'll put it all out on twitter. they're helping people. they just shouldn't have to do it. and let me show you what's not helping. >> we're doing a fantastic job under the circumstances. the democrats aren't even approving giving us money. where is the money? you know what? the democrats are holding up the humanitarian aid. >> not true. why doesn't he go? why doesn't he make a stink, demand the help? not just be opportunistic. use your emergency declaration you shouldn't have gotten in the first place for that fence. the question for him is does he think that separating kids in these kinds of conditions help his message of harshness and deterrence? he perverted this situation for political gain, but this congress has taken way too long. and for the right to say the left is to blame, that ignores that they're in control of the senate and they took just as damn long. why has the house taken months? it's a good question.

what is wrong with them, with all of us on this? we hear these select members being occasionally outraged. why hasn't it been a point of obsession? kids are sick and dying. why else are they in service? who are we in this country? the words on the statue of liberty may be just words to some of those working in this white house. but they were a talisman for generations. they were the promise that brought my grandparents here and legions like them from europe. our diversity made us strong. our diversity is our strength. and for you -- for those of you who say you care so much, you take them in, look. take a look at the pictures. look back at your own lineage. too many of you will have ancestors who were dismissed the same way. i wish it were as easy as me being able to fix it. this is not about letting everyone in. it's not even letting about most in. i think the rules need to change. and if you researched them you would agree. but it's about how we treat those who try to get in. and for those who want to be president and are debating tomorrow, you want to be di