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for "cuomo primetime." welcome to "prime time." we have new word tonight how the democratic front-runner plans to deflect inarrows coming his way. is joe biden going to be joe cool or jolten joe. and we have bernie sanders campaign cochair here to let us in on the plan for the first face-to-face dual. the current president is at the g-20 in japan. he is going to see vladimir putin. question, why is it none of our business what he tells the moskow meddler? trump's friend chris ruddy is in the far east with him. and also with us tonight, does he have insight on the sit down? and once upon a time we felt differently about those who came here even if they didn't have a legal right to be here. did this picture, a dead child floating in the water with her father, it's moved hearts. has it moved the argument? we're going to take a look back
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and see where we're headed. let's get after it. joe biden doesn't want to spend the whole evening defending the past. he's going to try and pivot this all about the future. his aides say, though, he is ready for a fight and prepared to defend his record. what is senator sanders strategy? we know one thing, it's got to be on tonight. they're two men but there's only one spot. of course it's not just about them but that's what our discussion is. let's bring in cochair. >> chris, great to be back on. >> all right, so let's talk about tonight. what is going to happen from the senators' perspective to draw point of contrast because only one can be number one? what's the plan? >> i think he's going to make a contrast on policy. he's going to ask how did trump
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win in 2016. he ran say against nafta. he ran against the tpp. he ran against the war in iraq. he ran against the crime bill, and do we really want to make a mistake of electing someone who's going to have those same vulnerabilities, or should we go with someone who's going to be a candidate for change in the stat status quo? >> what is the plan for the senator for those who say he's too far left? he may get it from biden. if that's the push back, yeah, you've got different ideas. just that very few people in our party share them. if biden says that, then what? >> i think the senator speaks to how well he did in michigan, how he resonates in rural america. i campaigned with the senator. i've seen him go to rural america talking about price parody for farmers, talking about rebuilding the downtowns of rural america. he connects and connects with people in the heartland and i think that will come through. >> one of the interesting things
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bernie sanders offers, senator sanders, is he's been in there a long time but seen as somewhat of an outsider. he does not work often with others in the senate. when they did that list of the senators who work with the other side, he was the lowest on the whole ranks of people running right now. is that a good thing? >> well, in my experience i've been in congress a few years. i have seen him work with the other side. i've seen him work very closely with senator rand paul or mike lee on issues of getting us out of unconstitutional wars. i've seen him collaborate with other senators on issues like he did with senator john mccain before my time on issues of veterans benefits. so i've seen him build those coalitions to be effective. >> right, but you would still get hit with the same stick, which is, yeah, you just do it less than anybody else, and your
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idea of giving birth to the aocs of the party when would do nothing to help the kids, 90% of what you want according to your own party members, senator leahy, wasn't enough. >> i voted for the original house bill to give the funding for the kids on the border. but here's what's important to realize, chris, because i voted against the senate version. the senate version didn't have any standards. now, the house appropriated $40 mill wherein more than the president had asked for these supplies in 2019. it's not a matter of money that these kids are going without diapers and they're going without toothpaste. it's a matter of the administration's indifference. so we voted -- many of us in the house voted for the funding but we wanted human rights safeguards in the funding. >> the dhs now -- we're segueing a little bit and i think it's a good thing. i believe you guys should be trying to own this issue, and instead it looks like you've been on the side lines of it.
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listen, we've been begging you for this. hhs has standards, all of the parties have said they would work with you guys, but it was never enough. and so instead of compromising you had these kids waiting for the extra funding for months. >> that's just not true. the president's own budget in 2019 was as i mentioned $40 million less than congress appropriated. the president didn't come to congress with that request. do you know how much the president asked for more supplies this time? $10 mill wherein. we gave him $82 million. so it's not just a matter of money. do i believe we have to give him the money, absolutely thatch that's why i voted for the house bill. but it's a matter of voting for basic health standards. the senate bill took that out. why wouldn't we bant basic health standards as a norm for how we're treating it these kids? >> but you also have a little provision language in there.
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you had you couldn't ask people who came as sponsors for the kids about their citizenship status and i didn't understand that one. it's already suspend said as a rule, so it seemed like you were just putting something in there that was setup as a poison pill. >> my understanding and even the senate had some version of it, is that you weren't being able to transfer something from health and human services. if someone wanted to adopt or take a kid in for foster care, you weren't able to take that information and send it to the department of homeland security because you wanted people to come forward to take custody of these kids. and i thought that's a reasonable provision. >> it is. i just don't think they're doing that right now. i accept your argument completely about the president and what he asked for. there's only one problem with it. he's not in the business of caring for these kids. he's in the business of harshness for those who come. i'm not saying he wants people to die. i don't judge peoples humanity that way. but he's certainly not in the
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business of showing you the faces of the true purpose. however, what i was asking you about was the dhs acting secretary. when he was coming and say i need the money. i can't keep these kids the right way. i can't even follow the laws you want me to follow. do you regret it? >> i think we acted as fast as we possibly could. this has been our highest priority to get this funding and we have acted expeditiously to get it done before the july fourth recess, and the appropriations has not run out. now, had we adjourned and left for the break the appropriations would have run out and the dhs would have run out of money. but they haven't run out of money. the problem is we gave them the money but there are not enough safe guards. there are no strings --
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>> but you can stay on it, though. see, i don't think you are relying on the president's judgment. you're relying on the secretary's judgment. i get the whole idea of the chain of authority but you know that's not how this government works, not right now. so you've got the dhs secretary in there. keep an eye on them. if you hear reports, if you find out there are problems, then bust down on them but at least now you know you've given them a chance to take care of these kids. isn't that a worthy accommodation? >> it's worthy we got them the money. it would have been better had we said they had to comply with some minimal standards or they weren't allowed to transfer funding from looking after kids to enforcement and that we had put some actual restricts in there, or they had more notification requirements of kids unfortunately dying in those facilities, that they had to notify within 24 hours. the requirements we had within
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the house bill were common sense, and what we said is yes i can give you the money but you've got to hit basic american values. values that whether you're republican, democrat or independent, you believe if you believe in the worth of human life then you would be for it. it's regrettable we don't have that. now, we'll continue to fight for them but it's regrettable the bill doesn't have it. >> and you can enforce them as standards anyway. because if they don't do each and all of those things they'd be violating existing guidelines anyway. monroe, i appreciate you talking through this with me because that's what the election is all about. i appreciate you doing it. >> well, chris, i wish we had someone like -- running, who actually talked about the inspiration of immigrants as opposed to this president. >> i don't know how he would have handled all this stuff. in some ways as much as we miss
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is historically a good indicator for a while. >> let's go back to the last cycle on the republican side and carly who sort of came into the race as sort of unknown, she had a very strong debate purchase, she got up to the actual stage and took on donald trump, and she doing so look at this, in her second quarter she raised $1. $1.4 million, and then in the third quarter when those debates were current she raised $6.8 million. that's an arrow going up. you want to make a blue arrow, a red arrow, but the competition of course is how did that translate into the polls. this i can actually circle where maybe this time i can get an arrow. look, that's kind of an arrow. after that second 2016 gop debate she jumped all the way up to 15%. there you go. isn't that nice? that's an arrow. >> that's the same color. >> they provided me a good
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government education. donald trump, on the other hand, look at this he went from 32 down to 24%, and that is sort of what a debate can do, and money can be a leading indicator of that. carly, it there were reports she raised a lot of money after those debates, she saw a jump in the polls. donald trump after that saw a drop in the polls. >> how many minutes, let's say 13 minutes into the debate a bit of opening. >> lights and music. >> that's right. they're talking more about trump already than they did in the entirety of the debate last night. what does that tell us? >> i think it tez you a number of thing. and that is last night when we were sort of looking at the field we saw a field running very far to the left. and if we look back and take a look at the average, and what i essentially did is all the people who were running, member of congress i looked at their record. with 0 being the most liberal and 100 being the most moderate.
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they're closer to the liberal side. this was a field running very much to the left. we saw that most clearly on the elizabeth warren answer and look at this. this is something that's amazing me. again, 0 being the most liberal, 100 being the most moderate. warren is 27, sanders 16. that is far, far more liberal than clinton being a 6 # 3 or carrie a 66. joe biden, a 70. much closer to that sort of center of the electorate going after trump, trying to stave off that liberal base party. >> what does the voter split tell us? >> this i think is rather key. we have all these candidates running to the left, but this is something you and i have caught on so many times, just 19% of the party hold themselves very liberal versus this 47% that calls itself moderate or conservative, and that's the group joe biden is going after. it was somewhat odd to me, wait a minute, all these candidates
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are trying to get this, but they're leading this conservative plot. >> moderate conservative in terms of policy views versus your appetite to beat trump. are you moderate to conservative on that? that's what their bet is, that you are going to come for my policies because i will convince you that's what beats this president. we'll see how biden deals with that tonight. we'll do more of it in realtime. appreciate it. all right, so we're seeing a different debate tonight than we saw last night already, and i think that there are reasons for that. so when we come back, we're going to bring up some of the sound that's already been in the debate, and we're going to give you the benefit of not having to figure out what it means. we're going to take you through analysis in realtime. next. went straight on like a tunnel for some way." "i've seen a cat without a gri, but a grin without a cat." hey, mercedes, end audio.
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than you did last night, and we have very different debate so far. how so? there are attacks tonight on the current president. you didn't really hear any last night. so the question becomes what does that mean to bring in the president? let's discuss with some good minds that matter. elena plott, christine quin, and se cupp, thank you for joining tonight, my friend. let's talk about this. bernie sanders said the following in the opening. not as a retort, not spontaneous. we beat the president by exposing him. he called him a phony, a pathological liar and a racist. think about the last time that was said in a debate by a major candidate. yes, taxes will go up. but your health care costs will go down. by the way, that's not his tricky argument. it's a trickier argument to make than it is to say in an opening. and the other thing i have there is biden did not say anything
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like that in his opening. eric swalwell the congressman first taking any shot at biden. any shot at biden wasn't going to come from bernie. swalwell said 32 years ago your policies were great. time to pass the torch. biden said i'm still holding the torch. not the best comeback i've ever heard. the idea is bernie sanders saying racist, phony -- we're allowed to play the sound. i didn't want to incur any undo cost of litigation tonight. here's what he said. >> the american people understand that trump is a phony, that trump is a pathological liar and a racist and that he lied to the american people during his campaign. he said he was going to stand up for working families. well, president trump, you're not standing up for working families when you try to throw 32 million people off the health care that they have and that 83% of your tax benefits go to the
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top 1%. that's how we beat trump. we expose him for the fraud that he is. >> yeah, sharp words. and they're necessary. if you remember back in 2016 bernie sanders was essentially a protest candidate. and so he really kept his elbows, you know, to himself. even giving hillary clinton some assists, you know, saying i don't care about your damn e-mails. this time it's different. now he's not just there to push the party to the left, he is there to show he can run the country. now i have my misgivings about whether he could do a good job at that, but that's what he has to show, and he is running against donald trump and exposing him as a fraud i think is a really -- is a really smart tactic. >> is this the reflection of where the party is going to be? you guys have been mixed minds, don't talk about trump like trump, he goes high, we go low. that isn't going low. that's punching him right in the
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nose. >> i think to become the president -- for the best democrat to become president they're going to need to attack trump and be different than trump and have their own policy. one, will not work, two is what's going to get the job done because people want a fighter to be the democratic nominee because they know trump is we hate to say it but a good campaigner and he'll punch until the opponent is bloody. so you need both, and i think sanders answer, yes, we heard more of the punching but you did hear policy and such in there so no one was left think he's got nothing but luster. >> last night i had some crickets. remember when i made that point last night, they've got to fight. at some point if you want to beat the guy you've got to start throwing blows. we didn't hear that last night. >> it's about bearing. people want to feel inspired in some ways, to feel emotionally driven by whatever this candidate is saying.
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i think you're precisely correct. last night was crickets because while we did get into the weeds on policy and many different points, not even elizabeth warren really who positions herself as a fighter i think came off as someone who when at the end of the day donald trump starts calling her pocahontas, what is she going to do in response that actually lands a meaningful blow? i think what burny sanders wutrying to do there is so this is not just about ideology but also about having the kind of armor necessary, the drive necessary to take on someone as rash as donald trump. >> big test tonight is to see how biden deals with having people hit. i'm still holding the torch. when someone says pass the torch, i didn't hear it so i'd have to see the inflection. how much more? if you want to be number one, and you know what's nice as things change and it's great to have three women on the panel doing this. ordinarily if you want to be the
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man, it could be the democratic party decides the man is a woman and to beat trump we need to it to be a fill in the blank but can't go man-to-man. if biden wants it to be man-to-man what can he do? >> a number of things. i thought he was real defensive and came off a little entitled mostly because he was not doing a lot of press avails. he was not answering a lot of questions. when you're going to sort of shield yourself from the tough questions, when you're actually asked one by a reporter, best not to snap. best not to act like how indignant that you'd ask me this. so what he needs to do tonight is defend his record without being defensive. answer questions. you might not think you owe it to us because we've known your record for 40 years. you a do. the parties changed and the country's changed and you are
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facing some very formidable competitors who will challenge you on this stuff. so i want to see he's willing to go there, willing to fight for this without being entitled. like i own this -- >> and you also can't be the president either. he can't be like this president. >> no. >> and it's not easy. it's easy to say the toughest person in the room, the strongest person in the room is never worried about what is said about them. you ever hear that expression, that lions are never worried by the complaints of the sheep. but it's tricky to do on stage because we want to fight, and we want to show you have moxie. and if christine quin doesn't give as good as she gets, you go no, i actually don't care what you said. how does that balance for him? >> he needs to be tough, unflappable and that can come quickly off as above it all, which he cannot be. but he needs to be unflappable and strong and quick. >> but not petty.
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and not playing down to anybody else's level. >> and respectful. respectful like whether he believes everyone on that stage is his peer or not, he needs to respect them and treat them as such. and that's a hard balance. on a good day, joe pieden can hit that nail on the head. is tonight that good a night? we'll have to see. >> it's got to be every night, though, doesn't it? for this long a campaign as it's going to be? >> yes, but i'm going to push back against y'all a bit and say i actually think the defensiveness and his total lack of an interest in apologizing for anything that he's been called out on these last several weeks at least in a general, doen if i see that as necessarily a bad thing. donald trump never apologizes. >> never. >> and i understand it's not about being petty like he is the way like marco rubio tried to
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do. but this idea i'm not interested in apologizing, you know, that i can play the game just as well as you do, that could very well work in a general election. >> also, you never get anything for the apology. in a relationship you get something for the apology. i say something, you apologize. >> how he says cory booker should apologize to me, for what? >> when the president does it, what happens over time? when was the last time you saw the media reward someone for saying they were sorry or that they made a mistake? media is not the friend of these people. what this has exposed is if you deny it long enough, if you push back and say let alone it's subjective, i don't think i did anything wrong, it's not a matter of fact, you'll go away. you have to go away. >> joe biden's problem is he's a great general election candidate. he has to survive a primary going to cannibalize people like
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him if he's not on top of his game. >> we'll see it as it plays out tonight. we'll get what matters most, spare you the noise and bring it to you. that we can do. now, why do we have to? because the appetite is real. everybody knew that last night wasn't the strongest slate of the democrats. you had elizabeth warren there for sure, but she was flanked by people who were in the low single digits, but the ratings were huge. everybody's talking about it, so what does the president think about it? what is he going to do tonight even though he's at the g. 20 that he may not have done last night? it's morning there now in japan. he's about to meet with vladimir putin, but you don't think he's more worried about that than this. what's on the president's mind on what's going on here and what's going on over there? next.
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that's where the g-20 is, that's where the president is in attendance and that's where ruddy is with him. good to have you. thank you for making the time. >> chris, great to be on with you again. >> let's deal with what's happening here and we'll talk about what's going on there. big numbers from the debate, big appetite in the country right now. how does that play with the president? >> well, i didn't speak to the president this morning about it, but i did speak to a number of his advisers, and everybody is sort of saying this really shows what the democratic party is about, the extremism that we saw in that debate. here the president is at the g-20, he's not here for a photo-op, he's here to get jobs for americans, protect our businesses, grow real income. we've had about a 50% increase in real income under this president, almost double what obama had done, and that's because he's focused on doing the business of the country. the democrats last night, chris, you saw when they were asked
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should we end private insurance in america, health care insurance and bernie sanders and elizabeth warren raised their hand and said yes, and their the two leading contenders last night. i think it shows the discrepancy from the american people. i think he's on target with where the people are, the people of the country are for what their priorities are. >> it's not just the delivery device but what the tweets reveal and often betray about where his head and heart are. did you say there's been a 550% increase since the president took off sph. >> i believe the current number is about 3%, and under obama it was ranging between 1.5 and 2%. >> so you're taking about the growth rate? >> right, exactly. real income wage and growth rate. >> he's had a couple of good quarters -- hold on, let me get these numbers first.
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there's no 50% increase in real income for the american people. but if you're just talking about growth, let's be apples to apples, the growth rate right now is not far off of the ten-year trailing average. obama had some dog quarters and a couple of dog years at the end. fair enough, but the trailing average overall was about where we are now, and you'll have to look at how we got here. we juice this economy -- >> i don't know what numbers you're looking at. >> if you're talking the ten year trailing average, it's about where we are right now. >> forget about the ten-year. look at the eight years of obama, his rate of economic growth, gdp growth was just under 2%. president trump has been in for almost 3 years now. his rate of growth was almost 3%. >> but obama was dealing with the 2008 mess he inherited from the republicans. this president got a tail wind. >> he also got about $10 trillion worth of stimulus from the federal reserve.
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he had a trillion dollar stimulus bill. he had eight years to oversee the economy. in two years, just over two years look what the president has done. he's raised gdp growth by 50%. look, you were talking about the tweets. what is he doing? i was speaking to the president the other day and he said i'm going to really focus on india, they are the worst trade offender. they just slapped tariffs on the united states, and he put out a tweet last night. he's meeting with prime minister modi tomorrow. and he said in the past obama and even republicans were guilty of this. they looked the other way as america was put down in these tariff regimes and the president didn't do an easy deal. everybody said he's going to cave to china. he's fighting for the best deal with the united states. i think his priorities are good. >> i like the muscular posture. you think he's going to have it when he meet with putin? >> again, look at his actions about putin. you know, he's laser focused on
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stopping their gas pipeline which would tremendously benefit them financially and give them leverage over europe. the president wants to stop that. >> how about stopping their interference in our elections? >> look, i think the u.s. government is taking very serious steps to make sure that doesn't happen again. >> how so? >> chris, i'm still -- did you ever ask barack obama why he did nothing as the russians interfered? he had massive intelligence this was going on -- we're being attacked. we're being interfered with and the president of the united states does nothing? i think it only became a big issue after donald trump got elected. >> this is lee didn't stand next to vladimir putin and said he agreed with putin that the russians didn't do it. how about that? what american president has ever agreed with the enemy? >> chris, i don't think he agrees with the enemy, but i don't speak for donald trump. i don't agree with -- i don't agree with every position he takes, but if you look at his
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track record, i was just over in germany meeting the ambassador rick renel, very hard line position against the germans interference with europe. i was traveling with mike pompeo. he's trying to get the turks not to buy the s-400 missiles. he's trying to get the indians to stop buying the russian missiles, anti-missile system. so this is very positive step. they actually have very strong priorities, they're working towards implementing those and getting results. so if you look at the track record, i always say donald trump is the results president because no matter what you think about the tweets and comments he might be making on this or that, the truth is he's bringing home real results for the american people. >> well, chris ruddy i appreciate you offering perspective on the results the president has gotten and entertaining the tough questions as well. and doing so from very far away once again. thank you, sir, and be well. >> thank you. always great to be on with you. >> the pleasure is mine.
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a lot of bad news when the comes to mental illness, but there is good news as well. suicide is preventable. we did a special last night, and you heard me say it, and more importantly you heard people who know what they're talking about say it. they have solutions as well. so much of this is about shining the light and removing the stigma. we've got to keep repeating the message. we've got to talk about mental health and show it is okay because no one is immune, not even the partner of a lawmaker. here's susan wilde on the house floor. >> what most people don't know is that carrie's death was a suicide. carrie was 63 years old. he shouldn't have had a care in the world. he was financially secure and had a warm, loving family. why am i sharing this very personal story? because we all need to recognize that mental health issues know
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no boundaries. >> all right, let's bring in don. listen, you've got to applaud representative wilde. the best way to remove the stigma is to talk about it, turning pain into purpose sounds easy. but, man, it's got to be so hard to do and you've got to respect the effort. >> and especially to admit what she said which you may not have known is that his death was a suicide. and listen, i know of at least two people in my life who committed suicide. and they don't -- usually family members and loved ones don't like to talk about it. one person when i was in chicago years ago did it, his boyfriend did it. and then one of my friends i went to college with, same thing. but families don't want to talk about it because of the stigma. they'll say, well, there was -- they had health issues or it was
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some other kind of cause, they had a heart attack and they won't tell people because of the issue, because of the stigma. and i think that that's wrong. we've got to stop doing it. listen, if people think something is wrong with you because you're going to a therapist, that's their problem. that's not your problem. so i commend you for doing what you did last night. as a matter of fact, today i made a recommitment to go see someone who made the effort to do it again. in large part because of our conversation, but i'd been planning to do it anyways and there was a catalyst to it recently. but because of our conversation last night, i did that. so i commend her. i commend you, and we should continue to talk about it because maybe you'll save one life. and if you do, it's all worth it. >> we lose far too many because too many don't want to get treated. and even when we talk about these school shootings there's so often a mental health component. and more often than not it's
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someone turning the wrong way and no one knew what to do, even if they did want to say something they couldn't get control of the person, and you're right. the solution is do something about and take care of yourself you can. i could do a group rate and >> this is kind of like therapy right here, don't you think? >> i'll tell you what, talking about things that can cause you pain is helpful. you have been a tremendous friend on and off the square screen. >> you know what i do since having dealt with similar things? when esee people who have had issues, whether it's addiction, whether it's depression or whether it's a death or whatever it is, when i see them, i'll say let me look at you. i look them in the eye. let me look at you. i look and say, you okay? they say i'm okay. they know what i'm doing. i go good. it's good to see you. you look great. now let's continue on. let's have lunch or whatever. that's what i do.
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who did that? was that -- larry david does that on "curb your enthusiasm" where he's like -- >> it's good to connect. and you're beautiful for doing it. >> you are as well. listen, i got to tell you, the supreme court has been very active. i came back from d.c. yesterday. one of them was on my flight. that is. we're going to be talking about -- i know and they had the escort and the lights and sirens. i was like, oh, my gosh, are they here to arrest me? actually it was on my flight. i won't tell you which one. i'll keep their privacy. we're going to be talking about two key decisions by the supreme court. we assembled a great group to guide us through it. >> i'll be looking forward to that. see you soon, pal. all right. we used to want those desperately seeking entry to america to be treated with humanity and compassion. we have not always been as we are right now. what changed? i can't believe i haven't made this argument sooner. if you look back, you'll see what great again could mean. next.
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you know, massive flows of undesirables to our borders and shores, not new. we've had boat people from broken countries. remember wet foot, dry foot with the cubans? huge numbers that we were not ready for and people were spooked. however, for the most part, unlike today, our reaction was about the humanity of it and how to help. there were people who were worried but not like now where it is the main reaction. it motivates an entire party. and that was the message from the top. the politics are so different now. we're different, too. contrast the reaction to the father and daughter in the river with elian gonzalez. you remember that picture? horrified us. a gun pointed at the 5-year-old little boy huddled in the closet
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with the fisherman who rescued him. we were appalled that this would ever be done anywhere near a kid. forget about the legalities or the loyalties. today, who knows, something like that may be used as a poster for deterrence. then this photo. you notice the silence from most on the right? the president being asked about this. he didn't come out about it. he had to be asked and he used it as another reason to blame democrats. that's not the pointiency of that president. we all know that. we don't even know them by name as we knew elian. oscar is the father. angie is the child tucked into his shirt. we don't seem to want to know them. i've argued the idea of making america great again is inherently reductive. it harkens back to eras where we were not as free nor as tolerant as we are today, but maybe there is an exception. we were better back then to strangers to our shores.
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we wanted to care for these kids because they were kids, not part of a contagion. the country went crazy when we couldn't keep elian gonzalez. when he had to go back to cuba. boy, have we changed. trump, he can do what carter did back then or clinton did back then. remember carter when the thousands fleeing cuba by boat, used the military, send the navy. had a guy call me on the radio today who was working law enforcement then and said the government and the coast guard and the navy, everybody came together to provide accommodations and re-open military bases, process them quickly, get them back. didn't work so well with the haitians, but with the cubans you could see a concern. this president could use that emergency declaration that he already has. loosen up some pursestrings. he's not supposed to. i don't think he should have gotten it, but he has it. he does none of that. he could visit the border, not to look at the farcical wall,
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but fix the true problem. kids and their caregivers that he knew were coming and he did nothing. we have to see people, not problems. it's not true that migrants are stealing opportunity from us, but something is being lost in all of this, our integrity. and this isn't just a trump problem, it's politicians playing to fringe ideas. the right playing to the brown menace. fake labor realities. a tale of horror and crime that this group represents actually less than many other components of this society. and the left, they visit border camps, but then nothing happens. maybe nancy pelosi got the point of the picture. maybe that's why today she reluctantly agreed to the cleaner senate bill. listen. >> the children come first. at the end of the day, we have to make sure that the resources needed to protect the children are available. >> would have been nice to hear that two months ago, but it passed. it passed. took way too long. but it passed. but guess what? the progressive wing is furious.
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i don't see a cogent argument that this can make things worse, what they're doing right now. i invite them on to make their case. they don't come. that's on them. however, do i see a cogent argument that fringe considerations are killing us. close the camps, screams the left. where do you keep the kids, in the cages? well, they're keeping these kids, you know, to feed private businesses that manage their facilities. wrong. they don't have enough space. they're desperate to put them anywhere that the law allows. the right equally hostile, pushing harshness. none of it works. none of it is us at our best. this is the situation at its worst, oscar and angie. everything about this is an indictment of our humanity. i cannot argue that this image has captured the imagination and changed what we will do. i can't. i don't see it. but i hope it does. i hope we remember who we are and that our leaders decide to -- it's not to take shots at each other. it's time to take

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