i don't want to run past stuff like that. >> there was another moment with mayor buttigieg that i want to play, which was he was asked about -- which we talked a little bit about before, the lack of diversity given the population of african-americans in south bend. i think the police force only has about 6% african-american officers on the force. >> 25% black town. >> right. >> so he was ask about that. let's play his response. >> your community of south bend, indiana has recently been in uproar over an officer-involved shooting. the police force in south bend is now 6% black in a city that is 26% black. why has that not improved over your two terms as mayor? >> because i couldn't get it done. my community is in anguish right now because of an officer-involved shooting, a black man, eric logan, killed by a white officer. and i'm not allowed to take sides until the investigation comes back. the officer said he was attacked with a knife, but he didn't have his body camera on. it's a mess. and we're hurting. and i could walk you through all of the things that we have done

as a community, all of the steps that we took from bias training to de-escalation, but it didn't save the life of eric logan. >> interesting answer. >> amazing. >> yeah. he wasn't deflecting it. he said he didn't get it done. >> yeah, it was so amazing to me that you had a politician there saying i couldn't get it done. he was clearly angry because he want -- he had called for body cams on every police officer and he wasn't wearing it. and he went on to say, "i have to face the fact that nothing that i will say will bring him back." and it was clearly someone on a personal level who was so affected by what had occurred in his community and he confronted it directly, and that's one more thing about buttigieg, which is i think he speaks so clearly, he speaks so directly, and there was something else he said tonight about calling out the republican party for its hypocrisy by affiliating itself

with christianity, and he said "to suggest that god would smile on the separation of families, that party or whatever has lost all claim to ever using religious language." boom. and he has a way -- >> yeah. >> -- of speaking that makes you kind of stop and just listen. because it is so direct. and it's forceful without being loud, if you know what i'm talking about. >> like obama. >> he and kamala both had a grown-up in the room vibe. i was not surprised to hear that vibe from her. i'm used the to it. but coming from the 37-year-old. >> right. >> i'm 37. i don't often hear grown-up in the room vibe from my own ears. >> he did have that back and forth with vice president pence on the subject of religion. >> exactly. >> vice president pence, and i saw online a number of conservatives tonight also kind of portraying this as him attacking religion or attacking -- >> actually, the reason they jump in on this is because buttigieg actually is a person

of faith. >> yes. >> it's very important to him. he talks about it often, and so, you know, when you look back at the last three democratic presidents who were elected, carter, clinton and obama, they both were very comfortable talking about their faith, quoting scripture, and that from a cultural standpoint is important. so he is -- you know, that is an interesting element in his profile. but let me just say one other thing. i was critical of him after this town hall meeting in south bend last weekend. >> yeah. >> because i felt it was good that he met with the community, but he seemed very stoic in that meeting and pete buttigieg is not a person who emotes. he's not that kind of personality. he is very -- he is very disciplined, but he's -- he's restrained in his presentation. >> midwestern. >> yeah, but what he did tonight in that answer -- >> yes. >> -- was what i was missing over the weekend. >> and --

>> he showed -- he showed genuine -- >> remorse. >> angst. and remorse about both the failures of the programs that the he put in place and the loss of life and the suffering that's going on in south bend, and i think that was an important moment for him. >> and david, as a political matter, a studying contrast. this was the question everybody knew he was going to get tonight, right? this is the one that was the most obvious thing he was going to have to deal with tonight in the debate and he came fully prepared and he executed on his answer. i'm talking about a pure political moment here. compare that with joe biden, and i'm just saying he did not handle the question that he knew undoubtedly he was going to get tonight with that kind of skill and execution. >> senator kamala harris is speaking with reporters, including our kyung lah. let's listen. >> reporter: anderson, we just had the senator stop by. congratulations on your evening. >> thank you, kyung. thank you. >> i wanted to start with "that little girl is me." >> yeah. >> why did you decide to bring up that personal story.

>> you know, there are so many issues that we talk about in a way that is theoretical, academic, ideological, but i believe the critical issues to think about, how these ideas and policies affect real people, which is why i have what we call the -- our 3:00 a.m. agenda. where i think about issues like -- through the lens of what wakes people up in the middle of the night. which is about health care. it's about can they get a job and keep a job? it's about can they give a decent indication for their children? can they deal with, you know, an opioid addiction, things like that. so on the issue of and in the conversation with vice president biden, it was through the lens of that, which is that these segregationists pushed policies and really made -- built their careers and reputations off of

policies that were about segregation of the races in our country. and it had real consequence. the policy perspective that was opposed to bussing had real consequence. i was that little girl. and there are many others around the country who were those little girls and boys who were bussed and so i felt the need to speak truth about that. i think it's important that we as americans never forget our history, including those dark days of our history. and so that's why i felt the need to talk about it. >> you've talked about the difficulty of talking about yourself -- >> yeah. >> from your book. >> yeah. >> and presenting that to voters. >> yeah. >> you want to talk about policy. >> yeah. >> what is it that turned tonight, that made you discuss that? >> i just think that on some of these issues it's that the american public deserves to know how we come at our priorities. and this is -- and as you recall

during the debate, i brought it up in that context, which is this is -- the conversation was already happening, but i have a personal experience with this and i think that there are millions of people in our country who have personal experiences with this, and that voice needs to be on the stage. >> and on the campaign trail you've talked about the guy in the midwest being code. the challenge of running as a woman. is this your answer to people who wonder can a black woman win versus donald trump? >> listen, i believe that the person who will win the democratic primary and go on to beat donald trump is someone who thinks about what wakes people up in the middle of the night and has a plan for them, which is why i'm proposing the most significant middle class tax cut that our country has had in generations, which would give families that make less than $100,000 a tack credit that they can receive at up to $500 a

month. which is why i'm the only one proposing that we deal with the fact that our teachers are not paid for their value and i'm prepared to actually put a federal investment in closing the teacher pay gap, which is why i talk about equal pay and i'm parade to take action to make sure women are paid as much as men for equal work. these are the issues that people care about. people care about the fact that we need to have a president who understands that trade policy should not be conducted by tweet. that trade policy should not be conducted out of a -- out of ego and instead should understand that as this president has done his so-called trade policy has resulted in what i call the trump trade tax, which means that there are farmers in iowa who have soybeans rotting in bins, that there may be at many as 700,000 auto workers who lose their job by the end of the year, that american families are paying $1.4 billion more a month in everything from groceries to washing machines because of this so-called trade policy that the

current president has. i'm running on an agenda that's about saying we need new leadership that sees these issues through the lens of the lives americans live every day. >> and quickly, did you speak to vice president biden after the debate? >> no, i didn't see him after the debate. >> thank you, ma'am. congratulations. >> thank you guys so much. >> anderson, that was kamala harris making her way back down. >> kyung, thanks very much. >> seeming very, very pleased about how she did. >> yeah, clearly. thanks very much. i want to get everyone's take on what we just heard from senator harris. obviously she knows she had a good night on that -- on that platform. >> and she was carrying through some of the talking points that we heard from that platform. i think she took a big step forward tonight. the nature of this process is so interesting to me, you know, because it is a long, long test, and every time you do better, every time you clear a bar, the scrutiny gets more intense. >> stakes go up. >> the tests get more difficult. she cleared a bar tonight and

she will now be much more in the middle of the conversation, and she will get tested more. >> how many -- you know, governor, you raised this last night about fund-raising, you know, that brass tacks, it's about who makes a big enough impression to get people going to their websites and actually donating money. >> six or seven of the people on that stage tonight, they are going to lose all oxygen. they will not be able to get any money. they will not be able to get their message out. at some point they can't pay their staffs anymore. they can't get the plane in the air. that's why these debates are really so important. i can tell you right now, kamala's fund-raising will go off the charts tomorrow. her online fund-raising will explode. as it will i think probably for julian castro. i think in the last 24 hours, you know, he was sort of a loser tonight because he had his run for 24 hours and now it's over. we've got a whole new story today. but, you know, this thing is going to move pretty quick and, you know, it's going to get down -- there's going to be maybe four tickets coming out of iowa and then you head obviously into new hampshire and then nevada

and south carolina. and then march 3rd, you know, you got almost 40% of the delegates chosen on one day and it's really -- that is it going to be the day -- >> you know what's really important here? kamala -- kamala harris needs to do -- she needs to do well in iowa to actualize her potential in nevada, and particularly in south carolina where biden is leading now. and if what she did tonight helps her in that early -- in those two early states, in iowa and new hampshire, put herself in a position to move forward, she has a lot of, as they say in football, a lot of green in front of her if she gets past those first two states. >> don't you think she becomes a target? once you get to the top tier, she's got a record as a tough prosecutor that she's going to have to defend. >> one thing i like to point out about her is that people forget that when senator obama first came on the scene, there were african-americans who were really holding back from him. they were saying, you know what?

we've been with the clintons for a long time, buddy. we don't know who you are you're from harvard. people folded their arms. he had to earn it. i think kamala is earning it. >> joining us now is senator harris. she's moved over to our cnn platform. thanks so much for being with us. i want to pick up where my colleague kyung lah left off. what went through your mind when former vice president biden pushed back on states rights after what you said to him and your personal effects of bussing for you? >> i mean, i disagree with him. you can look at everything from the voting rights act to the civil rights act and, you know, the need to pass the e.r.a. there have been many moments in our history where states have failed to do the right thing and have even acted in a way that has been about suppressing certain populations of people. and those moments are the moments then that the federal

government needs to step up and act, and certainly leaders and national leaders should call on and would want that the federal government would act. so i disagree with vice president biden in terms of his perspective on where the federal government and its role should intervene when states are diminishing if not suppressing the rights of its citizens. >> you know, one of the things one of our panelists, van jones, said earlier tonight about that moment was just -- and i don't want to get him wrong. i'm paraphrasing him. but just that in a democratic primary debate to have one of, you know, if you look at the polls, the leading democratic candidate defending a states' rights argument when it comes to civil rights and federal bussing is just extraordinary. >> yeah, i mean, i have to confess i was surprised. >> do you expect him to -- i

mean, the other option he could have done is just said, you know what, i was wrong and i'm moved by what you said. do you expect him to, you know, kind of get to that place or do you expect him to stick with this states' rights argument? because this is obviously going to be something that's talked about and it's going to be asked of him. >> yeah. i mean, i don't know what he will do, but i think we are all -- many of us are very clear that this -- and for democrats it has always been a very important issue because we have known, again, that we cannot always rely, and many times in history we did and to our peril rely on states to do the right thing and they just didn't. and so we have always been an advocate for the need for the federal government, especially on issues that are about civil rights, to intervene and to act. and, you know, it's just a fundamental premise and an ideal that is the basis and the foundation of our country.

which is that we are all equal and should be treated that way and these are the underlying principles that inform the constitution of the united states and all of its amendments and the bill of rights and the declaration of independence and those words we spoke in 1776. so i obviously disagree with the vice president and that is that. >> senator harris, i know van jones wants to ask you a question. >> well -- >> okay. >> obviously you did extraordinarily well, and as somebody who has family in california, it was super cool to see you do that. what did you think of pete buttigieg's answer on policing? i'm curious to know because this issue around policing, you being a prosecutor, biden tried to throw some shade at you as a prosecutor, did that make you mad, did that make you feel proud and what did you think about mayor pete on policing? did he do a good job or a bad job? >> i can tell you that -- well, listen, i ran the california

department of justice. it was the and is the second largest department of justice in the united states, second only to the united states department of justice, and i ran that office in a state of 40 million people. i'm proud of my background and leadership on the issue of body cameras where i required my special agents to wear body cameras and we were the first i believe state agency as a department of justice to require that. so -- and our policy required that the body cameras stayed on. so i think that -- >> so -- >> there are different policies, obviously, but i believe the preferable policy and the best policy is not that random officers at random moments can just decide when they're going to turn the camera on and off because it really then works against the whole purpose of it, that there is transparency and accountability and evidence. >> the reason i ask you is because -- >> yeah. >> -- obviously he tried to own it. pete seemed to own it. he seemed to take responsibility. it seemed very different than

biden, who didn't own anything and just defended. so i know he made a mistake in terms of how he ran his department. do you give pete a pass, do you give him some credit for owning it or are you mad at him for not doing a better job? >> no, i'm not mad at him. i think that he has -- he showed i think a great deal of emotion and took a -- and obviously feels, i think it's obvious, a sense of personal responsibility for what has happened and his role to correct course. and i applaud him for that. >> okay. thank you, senator. >> nia-malika henderson i know also has a quick question. >> hi, senator harris. i wanted to talk to you about black voters. >> hi. >> you're struggling right now with black voters. a lot of the polling obviously shows that biden is ahead with black voters. why do you think you aren't doing better with black voters and how do you think tonight's performance fits in to your plan going forward to reach out to those voters? >> well, i'm still meeting a lot of people.

you know, vice president biden has obviously i think run for president three times. he was the vice president for two terms under a very popular president, president obama, and so he's well known. and i am still in the process of introducing my work and my plan to voters across the country and i intend to work very hard to earn the vote and the support of everyone. >> and will you use what he said tonight, really backing states' rights, is that going to be a message that you continue to take to black voters and really ding vice president biden? >> well, listen, i think that there is no question that an election is at some point not only a competition but an exercise in pointing out differences of opinion, and this is -- has clearly turned out to be a difference of opinion between me and the vice president. >> and just finally -- >> and it's a point that i think

obviously people find an interest in and i think it's an important subject. >> senator harris, just finally, it seems like a lot of what you said tonight, you talked about, you know, what people worry about at 3:00 a.m., you talked about traveling the country and thinking of issues in terms of real people. it seems like that is a message. >> yeah. >> moving forward for you that you are going to be kind of focussing on as sort of leadership -- >> yes. >> you know, as walking in the steps of real people and nuts and bolts problem. that seems to be your focus. >> well, anderson, yes. i talk about it most often through the lens of what wakes people up at 3:00 in the morning, right? but another way that i think about it is this. my sister and i were raised by a mother who was a working mother, she often came home after we were already home from school, she would cook us dinner, you know, we would all eat. i'm going to date myself. she didn't let us eat dinner

until we watched walter cronkite. and then, you know, everyone would do their thing and she'd put us to bed, right? and my mother would sit up at that kitchen table, i think until midnight and beyond just figuring out how to make everything work. and it's through the lens of her that i think about a lot of issues, including the priorities for american families. it's literally that parent who is sitting at that kitchen table after the kids are in bed, just figuring out how to make it all work. it's literally through the lens of when people wake up at 3:00 in the morning with that thought that's been weighing on them, which, by the way, for most people regardless of where they live, their race, their ethnicity is the same thought, right? it's how, you know, their personal health, the health of their children or their parents. can they get a job, keep a job, pay the bills by the end of the month, retire with dignity, pay off their student loans? these are the things that wake people up in the middle of the night and they are, therefore,

my priorities ands that why i'm running for president because i believe we have to pounce on real issues that affect real people every day. >> senator kamala harris, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. take care guys. >> a lot more to talk about. plenty more perspectives, including from a focus group of iowa democrats. we heard what they had to think last night. same group is back. we'll hear from them tonight. also, dr. sanjay gupta on the health care issues that came up tonight. we'll be right back. (vo) the insurance institute for highway safety rates vehicles for safety, and some reach a level of top safety pick. but only a select few of the very safest vehicles are awarded a top safety pick plus. the highest level of safety possible. how many 2019 top safety pick plus-winning vehicles does your brand have? one. two. how about eight? subaru has more 2019 top safety pick plus awards than honda and toyota brands combined. there's safe, and then there's subaru safe. what sore muscles? what with advpounding head? .. advil is... relief that's fast. strength that lasts.

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>> andrew yang brought me to tears, though, in those two minutes. >> i believe the term you used was a yang bang at componensome. there was going to be a big explosion of yang. >> his tie did better than he did. >> i want to defend van. i actually had andrew yang on my radio show a couple of months ago and he was wildly impressive. >> smart guy. >> this was not the platform for him and i feel bad for the yang gang who i know was really looking for him to make a mark tonight. >> thank you, jess. >> you just said more than he said in the debate. >> yeah. i think let's stand by. we're going to take just a quick break, i think. we'll have more with the panel, actually. okay. >> kamala harris, a wall has come down. >> yep. >> yeah. >> a wall has come down. there was a way that she was defended often when she'd be talking. >> yeah. >> and there's something that happened in this process where she -- i've known kamala for 20 years and i know that she had that heart, but she doesn't show

it often. even tonight she was just -- there was something present there that i thought was beautiful. >> interesting, think back to a cnn town hall that we did, i think it was in new hampshire several months ago where we had candidates back to back. there was a moment when don lemon, asking questions to kamala harris said, the question on the stage was should felons who are currently in prison be allowed to vote? and her -- which had been asked of several people starting with bernie sanders who said yes. kamala harris, her response was, well, that's a cons we need to have. >> right. >> she was rightly criticized for being cautious and too calculated. >> that was absent tonight. there was no -- >> well, that's what's so interesting. >> i mean, she was -- tonight she was her full black woman strong self. and we've never seen anything like that on a political stage. you think about women, you think about black women particularly operating in spaces like this when it's normally white men kind of set the standard and the tone. and that was what was so remarkable and so unforgettable.

you watched that debate performance. it's something we hadn't seen from her. we hadn't seen before from anyone. >> you were bringing up during the break some inconsistency on her issue of private insurance. >> tonight just like last night, the moderators asked for a show of hands of people who are willing to get rid of private insurance to have a medicare for all plan in place. we know she's a co-sponsor of bernie's bill, but kamala harris tonight was one of the people with bernie to raise their hand, yes, i will get rid of private insurance companies. this is where she started in january in a cnn town hall with jake tapper in des moines and then since january, anderson, she has spent every week walking that back, trying to nuance it, suggesting there is language in the bill that says there is a role for private insurance companies. she challenged don lemon at that town hall you referenced in new hampshire on it, and now after all that time of trying to get nuanced because she and her team thought she had exposed herself to a possible general election attack from republicans, she now

tonight once again went back to the whole hog position, fully embraced medicare for all and raised her hand to get rid of private insurance, again, maybe making that a tricky position in a general election context. so it just is odd to watch her over all these months start somewhere, try and redo it all for months and then end up in that very same place. >> she and bernie were the only two i believe that raised their hands on that, so it was sort of surprising to us, but welcome to the top tier. >> right. >> if she gets there. because now the scrutiny is going to be on her, on questions about medicare for all, for example, questions about her history as a prosecutor. i'm going to say one more thing about her. i do think she's different, from the way even she is in the senate to the way she is now. and i think it's because she has been out there talking to real people, hearing them, and i think oddly enough that is what was missing from joe biden. that empathy you talk about. he's the guy who is always out

there with the people, the populist, you know, the -- >> this goes to something else -- >> it wasn't him tonight. >> as i was saying earlier in the cycle that california is a uniquely bad place to do politics because it's such a big state, so much media. to take a kamala harris who has been so dominant in california politics and then put her in those living rooms in iowa and south carolina and new hampshire, i do think it can let -- >> helped her. >> there's something beautiful happening, man. >> let me tell you, though, she hasn't spent as much time in iowa as i would if i were her campaign. >> why? >> i think because -- i don't know why she hasn't but i would spend more time there because as i said earlier, i think everything gets activated if she does well there. >> among white voters, right? the way obama did. >> and black voters will take her more seriously. >> a quick break. we're going to check in next with gary tuchman's iowa focus group, get their take on the night, see what they thought of that big exchange between vice president biden and kamala harris.

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about farming. >> who do you think did best? >> harris and buttigieg. >> harris. >> harris? who do you think did best tonight? >> harris and buttigieg. >> harris. >> harris. >> biden. >> biden? who do you think did best tonight. >> harris. >> harris. >> senator harris. >> senator harris. you gave her the title there, okay. >> harris. >> harris. >> harris and mayor pete. >> harris and mayor pete buttigieg. so it sounds like 11 of you or 10 of you said harris out of the 12 of you, which is very significant. several said buttigieg. let me go to you first. you're the only person here who said joe biden. why do you think joe biden stood out tonight? >> well, joe has a good track record and i liked what he was talking about. >> do you think he was ganged up on? >> i think harris tried to shake him up a little bit but i think he done well for himself. >> you said harris. why did you like harris tonight? >> i just liked the way she addressed the issues. she was very specific and pointed with the things that she

talked about. >> okay. now you told me earlier that you were considering becoming a committed voter. you're the only one here who said you may be ready to commit to harris. is that how you feel at this moment? you told me this 30 minutes ago. >> i was impressed by her performance. she did an excellent job tonight. >> is anybody else here saying they're ready to commit for anybody? >> no. >> most of you yesterday said that elizabeth warren did the best. today it seems like kamala harris you feel did the best. let's put the two nights together. ten men and women tonight, ten men and women yesterday, 20 people. who -- for those of you who said you liked harris and warren, who feels that warren did the best over the two nights out of all 20 people? one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. who feels kamala harris did the best? just one. so that's very interesting that harris seems to be the star of this evening, but overall, over the last two nights you feel it was warren. final question for you.

next debate is in five weeks, the end of july. what would you like to see mentioned that hasn't been mentioned? >> my 3:00 a.m., our 3:00 a.m. issue and many other families like ours are very concerned about the humanitarian crisis that is the lack of health care for people with serious mental illnesses like schizophrenia. we are really hoping that all the presidential candidates will come out with a plan, much like senator amy klobuchar's plan. >> okay. anyone else? what would you like to -- >> trade war. >> trade war? >> we'd like to see people talk more about some of the really serious foreign policy issues. >> okay. the final thing i'm going to mention to you, it's very interesting that 11 of you still are not ready to commit after these two debates. what does it take to get an iowan to commit seven months early? >> i don't know. i mean, for me personally, i don't think there is anything that could get me to commit so early because i'm 16. this is the first time i'm going to be able to vote. >> you're allowed to vote in the caucuses when you're 17 in the

state of iowa. >> yes, i will be 17 in a month. i'm just waiting and seeing who i like. they'll be here and we can talk to them. i want to make sure i make my vote count and i want to vote right, and i think a lot of people, especially young people feel that way. >> we'll see if they make the decision by the next debate, on cnn, by the way, end of july. a promo. anderson, back to you. >> thanks, gar yeah. was it pizza again tonight for them? >> not pizza, we had gourmet food, anderson. >> good. >> everybody's happy with tonight. >> kicked it up a notch. gary, thanks very much. please, thank them all for us. it's particularly interesting when you heard the woman in the background, i apologize for not knowing her name. my 3:00 a.m. issue, using language harris had used. >> it's interesting to me both nights and so familiar to me having worked so often in iowa was how almost indignant they were that anyone would suggest that they would have made their mind up. when i was a young reporter, i was covering a presidential race and i went to a high school --

this was new hampshire, but they have quite the same attitude and a presidential candidate spoke and i asked a kid, how did you feel, 15-year-old kid, very impressive. if you could vote, would you vote for him? the kid would grin -- i haven't met all the candidates yet. >> that's the thing about iowa. for those who don't follow this and haven't been there for a campaign, in iowa and new hampshire, they meet candidates all the time. >> 16-year-old fully expected to sit down with everyone running and she probably will get to. >> so when she says, oh, no, i'm waiting to meet some more of them, like, literally, they will meet every one of them. >> elizabeth warren has been there a lot. she is the best organized candidate. i did hear from the harris campaign that they have very much -- >> upped their game. >> upped her schedule there and her staff. you have to have that contact with voters to close the deal there. >> it was interesting -- >> booker's got a great operation. >> he does. >> what was interesting about that focus group was that nobody said sanders. right? >> mmm-hmm. >> if you think about sanders,

his performance last go-round in iowa, you think about, you know, the idea that he has this coalition that wouldn't ever leave him, you know, nobody thought he had a breakout moment tonight. >> those weren't sanders people. those were undecided people. that african-american guy who said i still like biden, that's going to be something to watch. very interesting to see how long it takes for a kamala harris or a cory booker to claw that support away. it took obama awhile to claw black folks away from the clintons. he was able to do it. to your point when he won in iowa, then it was over. >> how is buttigieg doing in iowa? he's from, you know, indiana. >> he's doing pretty well. >> in the most recent iowa poll, buttigieg was right there with sanders and warren in this battle for second place to joe biden. and by the way, joe biden was not leading by the same kind of leads that we've seen nationally in iowa. so that was a closer race. so he's right -- he was right there in the hunt in that poll. >> that's why he was smart to raise the rural issue on -- >> one of the things he's got

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private insurance was a source of friction for many candidates. our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta joins us to talk about health care and whether everybody got their facts right. candidates being asked about undocumented immigrants and health care. let's take a look. >> a lot of you have been talking tonight about these government health care plans that you've proposed in one form or another. this is a show of hands question. hold them up for a moment so people can see. raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants. okay. let me start with you, mayor buttigieg. why? >> sanjay, you've done some reporting on the issue. what have you found? >> well, you know, i've been writing on and reporting on this issue for some 20 years now. this idea of undocumented immigrants having access to federal health benefits, having access to the marketplace has had a sliver of support, certainly not what you saw on

the stage tonight. that's a significant shift. and there's been lots of stories that may be driving some of the shift. we did a big investigation last year, anderson, into thousands of undocumented immigrants who suffer from end stage kidney disease and stage renal disease. that means they require dialysis two to three times a week been but because they don't have health care coverage, the only way they could actually get that dialysis was when they -- when it became an emergency, when they were in imminent threat of losing their lives, something known as the emergency medical treatment act. so you have a situation now where people who could get treatment that exists, dialysis, had to wait until they nearly died to get that treatment under this emergency medical treatment act. that's obviously bad for them. they almost die before they can be resuscitated and it's also very expensive, about four times more expensive to treat somebody when they've reached that critical stage.

so that's an example. it's a sort of microcosm of the predicament that undocumented immigrants find themselves in. they can't get the coverage they need until they are nearly dead or dying, and that's bad and costly, anderson. >> another moment which was pivotal last night in the debate was about private health insurance, and i just want to play the question that was posed to the candidates tonight. >> many people watching at home have health insurance through their employer. who here would abolish their private health insurance in favor of a government-run plan? all right. >> and sanjay, what david chalian was talking about, that kamala harris has sort of been on different sides of that issue. she raised her hand tonight. i'm wondering what you made of that. because it did force the candidates to sort of stake a position about it. >> yeah, i think people in some ways they're defining medicare for all in different ways. i mean, you know, senator sanders has been very clear about this in terms of what it

means. you have medicare. it's now for people who are 65 and older. it's a federal benefit. that would be extended to everybody. everyone would come under a medicare plan, which means that they wouldn't have their private health care insurance, and -- they wouldn't have premiums that they would have to pay. they would have very little in terms of co-pays or deductibles. that's his sort of plan, but there has been a lot of polling around this and that specific issue around the private health insurance. if you lost your private health insurance. but look at the things here. i think we have a graphic to show this. the things that actually increase the support for medicare for all. 56% supporting it overall. eliminating premiums, 67% support the idea that it would eliminate premiums. 71% support this basic idea that health care is a right. but now take a -- to your question, anderson, take a look at what sort of flips those numbers. when you start to layer in more data around why people might oppose medicare for all, 58%

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talking about a break out night on the debate stage for

one candidate. some troubled performance by vice-president joe biden. the question is where does each candidate now take this? just quickly go around the table. david, what comes next? >> well, i think some candidates have some momentum here. kamala harris being one. as terri mentioned, she can turn that into a fund-raising advantage. i think pete buttiegieg benefited, same for him. the question is what do the biden folks do now? how do you correct this? does he have to be more public to give people confidence? and how do you deal with the problems with the african-american community that have been opened up as a result of this -- >> even though we don't yet know if this has opened up a problem with the african-american community, we'll see some polls. we heard from an african-american male who said he did just fine. we'll see if he has to walk this back. i don't know how he corrects his appearance, you know, seeming to have lost a step in terms of his presentation tonight.

i don't know how you fix that. >> i think he's got to get out there more and test himself. i think he wasn't used to it. he's going to get attacked. there is no 11th commandment as ronald reagan used to say in this democratic party this time. if biden is going to prove to people he can fight and win, he better do it. he better try. >> we've now gone through two nights of debates. these same people qualified for our debate at the end of july. the only difference is we're going to know who has money left in the bank and who doesn't. there's going to be more desperation on the debate stage. >> when we get to july we'll have a different front runner than we do now. >> bernie's ideas have won, but bernie looks like he might be starting to fade. we'll see if he can pull something together, but this could be -- it could be the elizabeth warren progressive movement now. >> governor? >> good two nights the demps, i thought good enough. we had great candidates out there who can take on trump which is what they want to hear over and over again. i think for a lot of the shiny

objects, now they're going to get into serious debates about issues that affect american families. reports will come out july 15th. i think a lot of candidates are going to be in trouble when the reports come out because they won't have money. the cnn debate is up or down for many of them. >> i want to thank everybody here. debate coverage continues. as we said presidents trump and putin are meeting in osaka japan. we want to turn it over to chris cuomo for cuomo primetime. >> thank you. when the russian president meets with the president, we will take it. however, the main event, boy, it was en fuego. second slate of demps, what an entirely different universe of debate. they talked a lot about the president right now and it was not favorable. and they got personal, and it was a tough night for joe biden. was he ready for what he got? is this him at his best? and who was the best?

there seems to be consensus on that as well. what does it mean? kamala harris, the senator from california, she went after her opponents for their food fight, then launched one of the most memorable attacks of the night. we have a power house political team to break it all down, and remember, as soon as we can get access to the united states president and the russian president, they are meeting in japan during the g20, we're going to take it and we're going to have expert analysis out of that as well. there's a lot to cover. what do you say? let's get after it. all right. obviously very different time zone in osaka, japan. they are dealing with their mid-morning meeting. we need to get access and we need to get analysis on what happens between the united states president and the russian president. as soon as i get word we can go to it, i'm going to.

what? let's discuss what happened tonight because it was a big deal. first thing out of joe biden's mouth was a trump swipe. and the front runner took some huge hits of his own. let's bring in the big guns for analysis. nathan gonzalez, elena plot and mark preston. you almost got me. i almost called you elaine because it was written wrong on a piece of paper. never put anything in my head, it can't hold much. mark preston. everybody, you know how i feel about the punditry around this. it never resonates on the polls as in the after reports. biden got a beat down. kamala harris has arrived. she put him on his back the way cory booker couldn't do it and he seemed like he was lost. and buttigieg was good, too, even though he admitted he couldn't get diversity in his own police force. and a whisper bernie sanders. is that how you saw it?

he a >> by and large. buttigieg had to come in and not look like a little boy and address what's happening in his city. i think owning it was a very smart idea and, gosh, go it work for him. joe biden not owning the bussing situation and support for it, not being able to at least express empathy, which is so amazing for joe biden to have the empathy he could have shown to kamala harris i think was devastating for him tonight. >> elena, this idea of -- i like to hear what the people who aren't on television, but around these guys, how they explain their own successes and failures. and it was interesting to hear people try to defend joe biden by saying, you know, this new generation, they apologize for everything. and if you don't apologize, then they kill you. but if you do apologize, they kill you. they didn't kill pete buttiegieg. i couldn't believe that he said, yeah, i couldn't get it done. well, if you can't get done diversity in south bend,