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though, he retains a loyal and affection following, some reviews are hash. quoting something he said on stage ran under the words joe biden writes his own headline, my time is up, i'm sorry. the question now is it? did the former vice president do so badly it would begin to erode what until now has been a commanding lead in the polls driven by the enormous goodwill he has within the democratic party among african american voters. did kamala harris whose confrontation over the past positions about school bussing achieve a breakout moment? about night one standout performer senator elizabeth warren? we'll talk about what happens next for the candidates and joe biden and the wake of the dustup over his civil rights record, he spent the day trying to under score his commitment to the issue speaking to jesse jackson's rainbow push collision

in chicago at the same time national public radio managed to locate a 1975 interview that reporter david did with the young senator biden who said he was open to a constitutional amendment to stop court ordered bussing. >> that would clearly do it. we are trying to figure out whether or not we can come up with an innovative piece of legislation that would limit the remedy. i don't know if we can come up with something constitutional and if we can't, i will not in an attempt to eliminate bussing violate the constitution. i don't do that. the only way if i go at it, i'm going to go at it through a constitutional amendment if it can't be done through a piece of legislation. >> now, again, senator biden there is talking about looking for ways to stop court-ordered bussing, something today he said he was never opposed to which clearly isn't entirely true because you heard him saying the opposite. bussing was enormously controversial in the african american community and public at large and remains so today as joe biden is finding out we should point out biden has a long history of supporting civil rights measures including the

voting rights act. we spent the day following the former president and biden is clearly trying to do damage control today. what is he even saying? >> reporter: well, anderson, it's very clear joe biden knows he needed to clean up some of his statements from last night's debate. i was here earlier today when he gave that speech in front of a crowd that was mostly made up of black activists and black voters as he defended his past position on bussing and also his civil rights record overall. take a listen to what he had to say earlier today here in chicago. >> i heard and i listened to and respect senator harris, but, you know, we all know that 30 seconds to 60 seconds on the campaign debate exchange can't do justice to a lifetime commitment to civil rights. i never, never, never ever opposed voluntarily bussing.

>> reporter: but as you noted, anderson, there were moments, several instances decades ago biden was there defending or trying to express his opposition to school bussing. i asked the campaign how they can reconcile his statements today with what he had said in the past and haven't gotten a full explanation. you also today heard biden trying to do a little cleanup when it came to comments relating to states' rights. biden today saying he does believe the federal government does need to be involved when it comes to issues of civil rights and integration but going forward biden is going to continue to face questions after that performance last night on the debate stage that was in front of one of the largest audiences he's really seen so far this campaign so far. anderson? >> his use of the term voluntarily bussing, the difference in his mind is in that phrase somewhere, however he defines that. how have biden campaign

officials and surrogates. how have they been reacting? >> reporter: they agree it was a rocky debate and not one of the best performancens and joe biden himself is aware he needs to do better going forward there are a lot of questions now whether biden is the candidate who meets the current moment of the democratic party. so i think going forward you're going to see biden trying to make that case that he is. one thing that he was pressing today here in chicago is that this needs to be a campaign, not looking back at issues from the past but that he wants to make this a campaign about moving forward. now biden is spending the rest of the weekend doing some fundraisers and neck weekend we'll see him back out, neck week we'll see him back out on the campaign trail in iowa. he'll be marching in a july 4th parade in independence iowa. on thursday. >> we'll delve into the bussing history but right now perspective from a talented campaigner, andrew.

who campaigned for governor in florida. made national headlines kept us up into the night and nia mallika henderson. you have vice president biden's impression saying he never, ever, ever opposed voluntarily bussing, is he splitting hairs? in the '70s he said he opposed bussing and the bored of ed bussing. >> yeah, and he was on the leading, you know, edge of the anti bussing movement in the senate working with folks like jessie helms, working with senator eastland two folks essentially segregationist to push this anti bussing agenda. it's just these are the facts. they are letters where he's writing about anti bussing and what's wrong with bussing and the idea these communities should be able to control their own schools and their own communities and who gets access to the schools. you know, i mean, i don't know -- you know, this is the stubborn biden we've seen, can't

back off a position and say he was wrong because he's so whited to the belief he was right in the issue. last night, i think even kamala harris was surprised you had a person in 2019 essentially saying that making the state's rights argument and saying that the department of education he felt shouldn't have any sort of right in stepping in to push for bussing, which of course, was an effort to desegregate schools and to give opportunities to african american children that often went to subpar schools. >> mayor gillum, did the vice president put this issue to rest today or just kind of continue it for tomorrow and the next day? >> yeah, i mean, unfortunately, i don't think he put the issue to rest and frankly, anderson, in your opening comments, you referenced the fact that there were people on both sides of the argument around bussing.

if the vice president was standing up and sort of making those arguments today that led him to the conclusion that he reached from a public policy standpoint, that would be one thing but that's not what he's doing. he's actually speaking in conflict to what is published and demonstrated record is on this issue. to senator kamala harris, i thought she was extremely effective particularly at this line of attack because she introduced into the conversation a very, very personal narrative talking about the fact that 20 years after integration, she found herself being bussed and integrating into the california school system. i thought that that landed with people tremendously well more than anything, i got to say what she did last night is she disrupted a little bit of the armor of inevitability, the belief nobody can compete and

win against the trump presidency other than biden. i think she disrupted that largely due to her great performance but also due to his lackluster performance last night. >> i think the mayor raised an excellent point using that word inevitability. how many times have we seen the candidate who is the inevitable candidate implode or ware away over time. that's remaining to be seen. if that happens to biden. but certainly nia, you know, there is nothing inevitable about this race. donald trump showed that and i'm not sure vice president biden has really absorbed that lesson if he's, you know, not even working this weekend and he's going to start next week. >> yeah. that's the thing. i mean, he's not exactly having a fire in his belly in terms of wanting to go out there and prove his medal, meeting voters where they live and being out all over the country in the way

a lot of other candidates are. in someways, you saw that rustiness last night. he just wasn't up to it. he was a little incoherent in a lot of answers, and, you know, i think the other performers very much commanded the stage. you know, the argument about joe biden has always been he's the only one, really, you know, kind of the argument that could beat donald trump. he's the one that's electable. he's the one that can go toe to toe with him. it doesn't look like it last night. that isn't the guy that showed up. we'll see if this is a fleeting part of his campaign for the nomination but my goodness, a lot of folks are worried about that performance. >> yeah, mayor gillum, certainly, you could argue that if you were envisioning donald trump on that stage with joe biden last night, it would not have gone well for joe biden as opposed to kamala harris, she hit a few points but she hit them very effectively in that room. >> she absolutely did, anderson.

the other thing vice president biden here is that not only did senator harris show that she is to the task of debating into dealing squarely with donald trump but there were a couple of other candidates who showed good command. major buttigieg showed great command. in the first night of the debate senator warren as well as secretary castro also demonstrated and turned in really good performances. over the two nights, i thought that what we saw is that there are a number of candidates competing for the democratic primary who are frankly increasingly well positioned to take on donald trump and to be a great standard barer for what the democrats believe in. >> mayor, appreciate it and nia mallika henderson. next, the political fallout and the fact check on what we've been talking about that claims kamala harris and joe biden said. on bussing.

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hearing is during the debate, it was going to be the third best night of the their entire campaign. i'm getting a little more guidance on it that what they are seeing is a 67% boost larger than normal than what they have seen. very important, anderson. the second quarter is about to close. it's an injection they needed. >> we should point out it was not all out success for harris. she did have a stumble of her own. >> you're absolutely right. the moderator asked who here on the stage, a question asked the exact same way almost word for word the night before. who on this stage would be in favor of eliminating private insurance under a medicare for all program? eliminating all private insurance and harris raised her hand with senator bernie sanders. harris said she miss heard. the question. that's not her platform. she believes it should be a supplemental income.

for procedures that aren't covered. what they spent today dealing with media questions, what does she mean? is this backtracking? is she unable to express her platform clearly but what i'm hearing from the campaign is they believe this is noise from the beltway from the press that overall they think it is a win that this is not something that's resinating with regular people, anderson. >> all right. kyung law. appreciate it. more on the hard facts behind the debate moment that we've been talking about that landed harris and biden where each is today. the issue of bussing. reminder whether it was in philadelphia or mississippi or boston, massachusetts, the combination of race and what is best for children hit home at the time and still resonates today. tom foreman looks back tonight to a troubled time for the u.s. and confrontation on stage. >> the sharpest attack of the debate. >> reporter: kamala harris lighting into joe biden for opposing race bussing decades ago. >> and, you know, there was a little girl in california who

was part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bussed to school every day. and that little girl was me. >> reporter: and it brought a quick rebuttal so what do the facts say? harris was truthful about her childhood growing up on this street. she was part of the bussing in the late 1960s. as she would write, i only learned later that we were part of a national experiment in desegregation and while she a young black girl was attending a mostly white school, joe biden was becoming a u.s. senator. >> around that same time, then senator joe biden changed his position on bussing and became anti bussing. he joined with jessie helms. i don't know if you know this. >> i did not. >> reporter: it's true. as courts ordered a lot more schools to promote integration by bussing kids from predominantly black schools to largely white ones and vice

versa, protests often violent broke out coast-to-coast and biden indeed began pushing back. listen to what he said on this date in 1977. >> i happen to think that the one way to ensure that you set the civil rights movement in america further back is to continue to push bussing. because it's a bankrupt policy. >> reporter: and now? >> i did not oppose bussing in america. what i opposed is bussing ordered by the department of education. >> reporter: that split hair likely won't satisfy proponents of the policy. biden long promoted civil rights and voting rights for african americans. and better housing policies to make sure black families can live and go to school where they wish. in short, the record shows biden has fought for racial equality even as he has refused to embrace the contentious political reality of bussing. joining the course of critics who have long argued that the benefits do not out weigh the social upheavals. anderson? >> thanks very much.

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>> thank you very much. >> he plans to shake hands with kim jong-un saying he would be willing to go to the border to say hello basically and when it comes to confronting vladimir putin about interference don't hold your breath. president trump has done anything but. he stood next to putin defending him and talked on the phone with him about the russia quote hoax, he got irritated on wednesday when sarah westwood asked him if he would not meddle in the 2020 election. he said discussions with putin were, i'm quoting, none of your business but the president never actually shared a laugh with putin about election interference at least publicly. we have no idea what they discussed privately in helsinki. this is what happened if asked what he would tell putin about not interfering in the next election. this is what he said.

>> the president is meeting with leaders and one of them, president was in more of a joking mood and riffed on how terrible the fake news is one year to the day of a mass shooting that killed employees a maryland. and he did that joking with a man whose regime according to the committee to protect journalist seen 25 killed since 2000. >> it's funny. they love that fake news stuff. joining me is anchor man, dan rather. i still do not get used to seeing president trump kind of reflecting in front of the dictators around the world.

>> you know, this is deeply strange. at least borderline bizarre to see what happened today in that meeting with putin. as you outlined, that was only the beginning. he praises the leader of saudi arabia. the whole line of things, i think put this in context. we have to understand and whether you're republican, democrat, independent, whatever, under president trump american foreign policy has become incoherent and armaturish tweeting at the president meet me at the dmz. those kinds of things. >> i thought that was actually a joke when somebody said that there is now this tweet saying you know, i'll swing by the border and just to say hello. question mark exclamation mark. >> turns out it wasn't a joke. it came directly from the president. the point is that, you know, history is watching through all this. and let's just start but won't end with whatever is going on

with president trump and president putin, as i say, deeply strange and dangerous history is watching. but they are also watching all of this business with american foreign policies being incoherent over the lot. the president himself doesn't seem that interested in learning about foreign policy. which can be complicated. that he doesn't -- he no longer reads the intelligence report just to preview the presidents intelligence report every day. he doesn't read them. so it's hard to say in president trump's case whether it's more ignorance but whatever it is, it's dangerous for the country. >> it's interesting, he throws outlines like you're doing a great job. you're doing spectacular work. that's the kind of thing he -- i mean, it's one of his go-to lines.

he says that at one point he was on my show years and years ago and said that to me like as if he had been watching the show. i don't know if he had or not. seems like one of the phrases he throws out but when you're president of the united states and throw that phrase out to, you know, mohammed bin salman and his regime, it has great weight and meaning and, you know, to distants around the world for speaking up. >> well, and there is this, at the same time the president is praising almost any autocrat he can find. but certainly behaving in a way that many americans and not all of them democrats find humiliating and embarrassing. at the same time, he's very critical of our friends and allies. so he's -- he has a pattern of

praising the people who are seeking to undermine democratics around the world including in the united states. praises the leader, vladimir putin who had the united states under constant attack to undermine the public's confidence and the integrity of the electoral process while he's praising the likes of putin and every other autocrat, sooner or later it may not happen during president trump's administration but sooner or later, you need friends and alliances. as strong as we are, we can't go at it alone. >> and the -- he also does this thing which when face-to-face with somebody like a putin or like kim jong-un, it's and frankly an interview, he wants the other person to like him and he seems to do the same thing in front of large crowds. he wants the crowd to adore him and will do anything to sort of make that bond, to kind of have a connection with somebody and in the case of putin, it's

joking about, you know, fake news and reporters and, you know, election interference. >> again. with autocrats and putin, putin especially, president trump wants to be a pleaser. he suffers the american disease of wanting everybody to like him. but when it comes to the friends and allies, different attitude. >> dan rather, always good to have you on. >> thank you, anderson. up next, strong words what former president carter said about president trump and the legitimacy of the 2016 victory. after walking six miles at an amusement park...

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it's rare former presidents criticize the man that was in office. that's what happened today and then some. one president openly questioned the legitimacy of donald trump winning the presidency. here is jimmy carter on c-span. >> there is no doubt that the russians did interfere in the election and i think the interference quantified and would show trump didn't win the election in 2016. he lost the election, and he was

put in office because the russians interfered on his behalf. >> so do you believe president trump is an illegitimate president? [ laughter ] >> things i just said, i can't retract. >> certainly not an ordinary remark. i'm joined by jim schultz, a cnn legal analyst and strategist and author of "everything trump touches ties." i'm wonder what you make of president carter's comments today? rare to here a president criticizing a sitting president. he went all the way. >> i'm not sure if former president carter paid attention to the fact there was a full investigation here that a 400-plus page report was issued by robert mueller and didn't talk about the legitimacy of the presidency. there was russian interference. never anything about the legitimacy of the presidency. carter was out of depth here

like when he was president was related to the economy and the economy during his presidency where he had high inflation, low job growth, low growth in the economy versus the trump economy now where you have high job growth, high economic growth. i just think it's a little odd and strange he would do that and out of his depth today. >> rick, is it -- was it fair for former president carter to question the very legitimacy of it based on russian interference? >> well, the former president, you know, is obviously like every american is entitled to his opinion. if donald trump isn't in the pocket of the russians, how could you tell? from g 20 summit today where he sort of joking and joshing with putin and saying oh don't interfere in the elections to helsinki, he's behave in a way that served the needs of vladimir putin frequently well

above the needs of the united states. so i think that question of russian influence is moot. now whether it a legitimate or legitimate president, we don't have solid evidence that the russians hacked voter files and caused votes to change that elected trump. but russia certainly played an active role in electing donald trump. he was their favorite candidate in 2016. there is no dispute about that. there are a lot of parts of the mueller counter intelligence investigation that have yet to come to light, some of the things congress hinted around about indicated there was a very deep and persistent russian intelligence and information war fair program to elect donald trump. so the former president may have been a little over the top but still a big issue. >> jim, did you find it at all unsettled for the president to be joking that way with vladimir putin about, you know, interfering in the next election and the fake news and agreeing with putin that they all have it, it's a problem?

>> well, i think going back to the other point, right, where i think it's good you did talk about the fact in places like pennsylvania, there was no hacking. there was no indication of any hacking occurred in pennsylvania and he won a state like pennsylvania that is a state republicans hadn't won for the presidency since bush 41. back to your comment -- >> they hacked people's minds. >> go ahead, jim. >> okay. but there was no interference there was never indication voter files were hacked in pennsylvania and he won a state like pennsylvania by 40,000 votes. close election but again, in a state where no one expected him to win but he did take it and so going back to your question, anderson, i mean, the president has his own style. he says things sometimes off the cuff and, you know, whether it's appropriate or not, it's his style. he was elected president. how he interacts with foreign leaders is his decision. >> rick, it is harder for the president to make the argument as he did and many supporters

that nobody is tougher on russia than he when what we see in front of the cameras is him sucking up to vladimir putin in one way or another, whether today we saw a little bit in helsinki. >> he's there offering -- yeah. -- >> the official actions -- the official actions -- >> sorry, rick is talking to me and jim, you'll weigh in. rick? >> he's offering to give vladimir putin everything but a foot massage. this is a guy that behaves in a way that's strikingly different. than other american presidents. it shouldn't be a big lift. jim will agree no foreign power should attempt to manipulate our elections at any level. none. zero. and i think a lot of trump folks have trouble saying that because they know that donald trump will not say to vladimir putin in a stern and serious way don't do this. he expects putin to do what he did in '16 and help him be elected again. he expects putin to hack people's behaviors and use their information war fair program to do advertising, targeted to trump supporters and key states

they're looking forward to having that help again. and won't say they don't want it and won't take it. they will never say it. >> jim, the president did say he would look at stuff given to him and then maybe turn it over to the fbi. >> maybe. >> but let's not -- forget that it was the trump department of justice that issued those indictments against the russians. it's the trump administration that has taken on russia time and time again with official acts. the commentary and proof, the proof is in the official actions that have come out of this administration, no so much with the president says off the cuff. >> it was in special counsel's office, which was an office the president was attacking every chance he could. >> right. >> no indictments get issued without the attorney general in that case so let's remember who was in charge, the attorney general of the united states and at that time, the deputy attorney general of the united states rod rosenstein -- >> the acting attorney general that signed off on the indictments against russia. >> thank you.

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what stood out to many is joe biden's willingness to apologize for anything. in fairness, it's a chronic condition for politicians probably forever which is why a moment on stage last night from indiana mayor pete buttigieg stood out so much. he's dealing with the deadly officer-involved shooting back home and last night expressed regret he hasn't handled it better. >> your community of south bend, indiana has been in uproar over an officer-involved shooting. the police force in south bend is 6% black in a city that is 26% black.

why has that not improved over your two terms as mayor? >> i couldn't get it done. my community is in anguish because of an officer involved shooting, a black man killed by a white officer and i'm not allowed to take sides until the investigation comes back. the officer says he was attacked with a knife but he didn't have his body camera on. it's a mess. we're hurting. i can walk you through the things that we have done as a community. all of the steps we took from bias training to deescalation but it didn't save the life of eric logan. >> cnn jason carroll has more on the crisis right now in south bend. >> it's time for you to do something. if you can't do something, sit down. >> south bend mayor pete buttigieg is facing a growing challenge at home as he prepared for last night's first democratic national debate. >> it's disrespectful i have three boys i have to teach what

to do. >> reporter: both town halls and community events this weekend erupted in anger over alleged racism in the south bend police department. >> what are we going to do about it? >> what y'all going to do? >> reporter: the recent death of eric logan at the hands of a white police officer highlights a long-standing problem mayor buttigieg admitted he has not been able to solve. we caught up with him on sunday. >> we have done so many things over the years. obviously, it hasn't gotten us to the point where there is full trust or even the level of trust that we just need. >> reporter: during the eight years he's been mayor, the south bend police department has slowly grown less diverse. 26% of south bend's population is african american but just

over 5% of the south bend police force is black. nearly half of what it was in 2014. and in 2012 buttigieg ousted the first black police chief following allegations the chief improperly taped officer's phone calls. i'm sick of these things being talked about in theoretical terms, like it's a show. it's lives. >> the issue highlights a political vulnerability for buttigieg, a lack of support from african-american voters. >> you're running for president and you want black people to vote for you, that's your downfall. that's not going to happen. >> african-americans make up 20% of all democratic party voters, a crucial voting block. >> how do you think this is going to impact your standing with african-americans, not just

in south bend, but nationally as well? >> i'm not thinking of the politics of it. it's not out of any lack of trying. it's a lack of getting to where we need today. >> jason carroll, cnn, south bend, indiana. >> don lemon spent time with mayor buttigieg. he joins us now. how was it? >> he's coming off of a night that he feels he did very well. he's feeling very confident about that. he's feeling very confident about that. but he's dealing with race issues, as kamala harris is dealing with race issues and joe biden are dealing with race issues except he is back home when he was this young mayor when he's trying to become president of the united states. i spoke to him about that and whether he actually gets, you know, race issues, he was very honest about that. and exactly what he meant when

he said, well, i just couldn't get there, specifically what that meant. >> this is what you said about south bend's police force, you said you couldn't get it done. how are black americans and all americans trust that you'll get it done, issues of race and the tensions across this country if you couldn't get it done in south bend. >> i don't think all these issues are something that somebody will claim to have solved. it's an issue that no city had solved, but where we've made progress, sometimes it's three steps forward and two steps back. i'm not going to present myself as the person who is going to resolve racial tension or racial inequality in this country. that's not the story i'm telling. what i am saying is that we have addressed these issues in my community, we have learned from that, and i'm passionately committed to bringing about in my lifetime a world where a black person and a white person pulled over by a police officer feels the exact same thing and

that that's a feeling not of fear, but a feeling of safety. >> it's an interesting position he's in, i'm not sure interesting is the right word. but on the one hand, he's running for president. he's clearly got his eye on that prize and yet he has this crisis at home and he -- he's got to deal with -- it's not -- and this isn't the first time as jason carroll was pointing out. there was the issue with the police chief, the african-american police chief who was fired and he -- a lot of these issues he says he can't really get into for legal reasons, specific legal reasons, it's an interesting spot for a candidate. >> he's in a conundrum. don't you think he's in a conundrum. i asked him this, we went on after that too -- i challenged him a bit by asking about framing it -- racial issues in the context of police issues and criminal justice and he explained himself. he said, i don't want to cast

issues about race only at that -- in that frame. but i do think that he is in a conundrum because he's at the highest point now in his career, someone who's being seriously take as a candidate for the president of the united states and all of a sudden he has all of these issues that are clashing, race issues and people are asking him about being gay, why it took him so long to come out, why at 37 he hasn't dealt with race issues in a way that you would think a mayor who's from a diverse city should be dealing with him. he's at an interesting point. the thing that i get from him now is that he is ripe to answer questions on these issues because they've all clashed together. so he can only be honest about them. there's no talking points. when it comes that. and he was very honest about it. you'll see it a little bit later on. >> isn't at 10:00 you'll have more on the interview? . >> 10:00 p.m. there's a lot more straight ahead including the aftermath of that bruising debate for vice president joe biden and what could happen next for

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over race and school busing. senator harris who lived through it as a schoolgirl made it personal and may have exposed not just a political weakness in her opponent, but also some believe shortcomings in his ability to take a punch and gracefully deal with it. we'll talk about all of that tonight. cnn's arlette saenz in chicago where the democratic front-runner spent the day trying to mend fences. biden tried to do some cleanup today. explain where he went and what he had to say. >> reporter: joe biden was here in chicago speaking to the rainbow push coalition, a group that was founded by jesse jackson and it was there in front of a crowd of largely black voters and activists where biden made his case and defended his position on school busing. this all comes after those comments that he made last night in that exchange with senator kamala harris at that debate. and take a listen to what joe biden tried to say earlier today as he tried to more eloquently explain his position compared to last night.

>> i heard and i listened to and i respect senator harris. but, you know, we all know that 30 seconds to 60 seconds on a campaign debate exchange can't do justice to a lifetime committed to civil rights. i never, never, never, ever opposed voluntary busing. >> now there are several instances in the past from decades ago where joe biden was on the record criticizing and laying out his opposition to federally mandated busing. also today in his speech he was trying to clean up a little bit of what he may have said about states app rights yesterday and today he was stressing that the federal government should be involved when it comes to issues of civil rights and also when it came to issues of integration. now, joe biden is going to be spending the weekend fund-raising and next week we're going to see him back out on the trail. we'll see if he decides to further engage in this debate in these coming days as this has really become such a hot topic