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but, you know, we all know that 30 seconds to 60 seconds on a campaign debate exchange can't do justice to a lifetime committed to civil rights. i never, never, never, ever opposed voluntary busing. >> now there are several instances in the past from decades ago where joe biden was on the record criticizing and laying out his opposition to federally mandated busing. also today in his speech he was trying to clean up a little bit of what he may have said about states app rights yesterday and today he was stressing that the federal government should be involved when it comes to issues of civil rights and also when it came to issues of integration. now, joe biden is going to be spending the weekend fund-raising and next week we're going to see him back out on the trail. we'll see if he decides to further engage in this debate in these coming days as this has really become such a hot topic since that debate last night, anderson.
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>> what is the biden campaign saying about how this has been playing out. they cannot be pleased about last night. >> reporter: i think the biden campaign is aware that this was not the former vice president's best performances. we're told that biden is aware that he needs to do better going forward and there are real questions about the former vice president and whether he is a candidate who meets the moment of the current democratic party. but one thing going forward that's also going to be important to watch, what do real voters -- how do they feel about these comments from the former vice president? you saw last week when it comes to those comments he made about segregationist senators, when we were down in south carolina, a lot of the voters didn't think that was going to harm joe biden in his campaign. we'll see if that moment, that exchange with senator harris and kind of these explanations that he's been giving on school busing, whether that will impact him with voters going forward.
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>> saenz -- arlette saenz, appreciate it. the harris campaign visiting a detention facility for migrants in homestead, florida. you spoke to a senior campaign aide for harris today. what did they have to say about her performance last night? i mean, they've got to be the opposite of the biden camp. they've got to be pleased. >> a total 180. what i'm hearing from the campaign is they feel very good about what happened last night. i was given a sports reference that it was a lot like steph curry shooting a 60, getting 60 points in a game. they feel this is a great performance, and they are seeing the benefit in their fund-raising numbers. they're seeing a boost during the debate of 67%, an increase more than normal in online fund-raising. it is critical as this second quarter ends, they need this money, they want to have a good showing in the second quarter, they feel this debate performance certainly helped them. >> senator harris oddly was one of two people, the other was bernie sanders, who raised her
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hand when asked about abolishing private insurance, that's something she -- they would support, only two people raised their hands and harris was one of them. that runs completely counter to a position she formerly held and has been trying to -- she's kind of been all over the map on it. she had to walk that back today. >> she did. she said she simply misheard the question, which is a little perplexing because that exact same question word for word was presented on the first night. we know that senator harris watched the first night and was studying, ate popcorn as she watched it but she says she simply misheard. she interpreted it as a question of whether she would give up her private insurance in favor of a government-run plan. that is something that she believes. >> there was a slight wording issue -- i mean, when i heard it, i felt i knew what the moderator meant, but i -- not to
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make excuses for her, but i fell the wording was a little problematic. >> and the campaign would certainly agree with you there, anderson, that they believe it was vague and that she simply misheard and she was trying to be as accurate in her answer. and something we heard arlette on whether or not it's resonating with real people. the campaign says they don't believe it is. they believe this tends to be a media obsession unless something that real people are going to care about. >> if you're -- anyway, we'll see what happens. thanks very much. moving onto what many observers thought was the standout debater from night one, nasa senator elizabeth warren. you're at a campaign rally for warren where joe biden was earlier today speaking to the push clipgs. what's the latest there? >> well, actually, anderson, that's where warren will be tomorrow morning where she
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finished up a town hall event here in chicago, it just goes to show that as soon as the debate was over, warren went right back to campaigning. she made a note pointing out this was her 102nd town hall event and she said we're a couple of days away from the second quarter fund-raising and instead of being behind closed doors at a fund-raiser, this is what i'm doing, i'm spending time with voters and supporters. so even though she didn't call out the other candidates by name, it was very clear that she was trying to draw a contrast between herself who has made a pledge not to not do fund raisers versus some of her competitors spending time doing that and earlier today elizabeth warren put out yet another plan. this plan is a plan to reform the state department and as a part of that, she pledged as president she would not appoint donors and ambassadorship positions. this of course is a practice
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that goes back even back to the obama administration and as a part of her bigger pitch to root out corruption in washington, she says this is a pledge she's making. she also promised that she would as president double the size of the u.s. foreign service as well as the peace corps. and as to the rainbow push coalition, the appearance she will be making tomorrow morning, this, of course, as you said is where biden earlier today defended his previous position on busing. we'll see if she gets asked about that tomorrow monday. >> mj lee, appreciate it. joining us to talk about what they saw is a cnn commentator, who served as communications -- also white house press secretary in the clinton administration, also a cnn political commentator. tara, you wrote a piece for cnn.com. you said joe biden needs to sharpen his answers especially on race. to be clear, you were supporting him. are you still supporting him? >> yeah, i still think that joe biden is the most viable candidate to beat donald trump. i think kamala harris made a good case for herself last night
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as well. but i also am concerned, you have to remember i'm coming from a conservative republican viewpoint on policies and things, i'm casting a lot of my differences with these candidates aside, i think the number one priority is to get donald trump out of office. and my concern is that joe biden is allowing this race issue to get out ahead of him and he's not taking -- he's not ending it the way he should. this has been going on now, plaguing him for two weeks. and it shouldn't have. and it's leaving an opening for the circular firing squad to take place and to undercut him on an issue that really has never been a problem for joe biden before. he was barack obama's vice president for goodness sakes. he just won a civil rights award from the civil rights museum a couple of months ago. his record is pretty clear for his support on civil rights and racial issues and integration and so this issue that kamala harris has now used to exploit with him i think could have a
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devastating effect in the general election by suppressing the black vote. you have to understand that hillary clinton lost by 78,000 votes in 3 states including michigan. and there was the obama coalition of about 4 1/2 million people did not vote in 2016, including 36% of those people being black. that is a problem you don't want to undermine your front-runner if he ends up becoming the nominee and then it suppresses the black vote. i don't think it's necessary. >> joe, i'm wondering -- does joe biden have a sort of too much of an inevitability sense about him? does his campaign to you smell sort of he just feels like this is -- he's the front-runner and there's this sort of grand pace. he's going to be fund-raising the weekend. you have senator warren out there doing another town hall today. >> yeah, listen, you know,
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inevitability campaigns tend to lose. you know, you might try it. every once in a while it works and it makes it a lot easier for you. but if that campaign and joe biden had an inevitability complex, it's gone this morning. this is why we have these campaigns. i'm not terribly worried about biden because this is june, not january, and he's not finished. there's a lot of, like, overblown rhetoric today about that. >> sure. >> but he's got to do better. i think he knows he's got to be better. and one of the things that is central to his campaign is he's the guy who can take it to trump. he needs to be able to take it to everybody within the democratic party first and, you know, again this is why we have campaigns. we'll see what happens in the next one. >> yeah. >> if he comes more prepared and is sharper, this will go anyway. if he repeats the performance, then i think there is some validity to, you know, maybe he isn't the best standard-bearer for the party. we got to take a quick break. i want to pick this back up when
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experience, remember, barack obama's performance in the first debate against romney when he was the -- running for re-election was terrible. i was part of preparing bill clinton for his first debate against bob dole and until the very last minute, he was terrible because they just assumed they knew more than the people they were going to be on the stage with and they forgot about the stage craft part of it. my guess is, it was rustiness. joe biden has a very prominent stubborn gene and he's got to work on both of those things. >> by the way, just very quickly. you said clinton at the last moment, he was bad up until the last moment. what changed? like what made the difference? >> well, i'll tell you the story, paul begala came over to me and said, let's write a fake "new york times" story about clinton losing the debate to bob dole and we showed it to
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him, and he got mad and he went out and performed. that wasn't only it, but i think people with more experience think that all they have to do is show up. biden found out he has to do more than just show up. >> yeah, tara, do you think this was a wake-up call for joe biden? he's right. it's very easy for people -- pundits to -- everybody runs and say joe biden imploded. this is very early on. >> yeah, no, i think it was definitely a wake-up call. should have been a wake-up call for him, his campaign and he needs to realize that his best assets are his experience and his -- you know, his electability. and they should capitalize on that. i was surprised that he was -- i think he was trying to be too much of a gentleman and not really going for the jugular and obviously other candidates were prepared to do that and i think he was also blindsided by kamala harris and he shouldn't have been. that may have been the fault of the people preparing him. but he should have had a better
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answer to that. i've been in political communications for 20 years. it would have been a no-brainer that the only woman of color on this stage was going to bring up this issue with the busing and comments, and he should have had an issue to shut it down. but kamala harris has praised joe biden in the past so i don't think he anticipated maybe that it was going to come from her. so he's going to have to realize that politics ain't bean bag. he'll be the first one to tell you that. and he's going to have to sharpen it up. you cannot be stuck in your ways. i understand he's been in this game longer than some of the candidates have been alive, but he needs to capitalize on the fact that he has experience, gotten things done and proved to people that he's still got the fire in the belly to do it. he's got time. >> a lot of these other candidates do not have time because they don't have money. >> yeah, listen, i think, you know, i want to give tom perez a little credit for setting this thing up right.
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blas i -- because i think what the last two nights did was clarify the race. there are a whole bunch of pretenders and shouldn't be in this race. there are some people who have a lot of offer, the governors that spoke, but don't have a realistic shot. they're there to raise issues. and then there's five or six candidates, however you count them, who have a real shot of this by making it harder to get into the next set of debates, we will start to winnow the field. and that's what -- that's what is great for the democratic party when it's all said and done, we're going to have the strongest candidate, whether it be kamala harris, joe biden, julian castro. i'm for testing them now, not in the general election. next up, mohammed bin salman, vladimir putin, even kim jong-un and the love they all got from the president overseas. ♪ when you get right down to it... freedom is the ability to go where you wanna go...
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meet him at the border dmz just to shake his hand and say hello. question mark, exclamation point. that actually was a tweet. joining me now live from osaka and the g20 is jim acosta. it sounded almost like the bachelor about to present a rose to somebody. is it possible the president is actually, you know, thinking he'll just -- go to the border and just to say hi to kim jong-un? >> reporter: anderson, the president himself has talked about this as being sort of a love affair between himself and kim jong-un and just a short while ago he told reporters he was putting feelings about meeting with kim jong-un in the dmz. i talked to a senior white house official who said there's nothing more on this other than what the president has tweeted out. but, anderson, keep in mind earlier this week, he was talking to the hill newspaper and suggested the possibility of having a brief encounter with kim jong-un.
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the white house asked the hill not to report that for security concerns. so it seems something is very much in the works at this point, but, of course, they don't want to talk about that i suppose for security reasons, either though the president did tweet about that possibility, anderson. >> the president is meeting with putin. it emphasizes once again the president's -- again, his unwillingness to accept the conclusions of his own intelligence agencies making fun of election interference. >> reporter: that's right, anderson. and we've seen this consistently over the years. i remember asking the president then-candidate trump back in 2016 whether he would ask vladimir putin to stay out of u.s. elections, and it was at that point that he said, russia, if you're listening, please find hillary clinton's missing emails. you take that to helsinki and the performance that he had there where he accepted vladimir putin's word over his own national security.
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this this relationship can just not be figured out. he has a much cozier relationship than he has with leaders with long-standing u.s. allies and it remains the status quo, the new normal when it comes to u.s. relations with russia. it's something we've never seen before from a president in our lifetimes. >> and just real quick, the president meeting with the saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman nine months after the killing of journalist jamal khashoggi. he was photographed next to him in a group photograph. they were placed next to each other, which seemed odd that they would have loued that and then the president actually him to his face essentially saying -- i'm sure you'll know the exact words -- saying you're doing a great job. >> reporter: yeah, he praised mohammed bin salman, the saudi crown prince in front of reporters earlier today, keep in mind, anderson, he was asked specifically and so was the crown prince as to what they had to say about the killing of jamal khashoggi, whether they would talk about the killing of the journalist. at that point the president said, thank you very much and he did not answer the question.
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anderson, this comes a week after a u.n. report came out and linked mohammed bin salman to the khashoggi killing. and so this is, once again, an example of how the president is not exactly standing up for u.s. rights, human rights on the world stage, even though a white house official did provide a readout saying they talked about human rights issues. but the readout did not specifically talk about gentlemjamal khashoggi. anderson, this is a situation where the president is specifically asked about the killing of a journalist that is linked to the saudi kingdom and we should also keep in mind this also occurred on the same day that the president was joking about reporters and what he called fake news with vladimir putin and said to vladimir putin, you don't have this problem in russia, and vladimir putin said, no, no, we have this problem as well. but they don't really have a free press in russia because of the repressive nature of that regime. anderson? >> 25 journalists have died in the time that he's been in office.
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jim acosta, appreciate it. as we mentioned, president trump's first encounter with vladimir putin since the mueller report ended like so many others with controversy, this time rather than as jim was saying confront putin about election interference, he joked about it. >> president, will you tell russia not to meddle in the election? >> don't meddle in the election. >> that was it. the president also shared another joke with putin about the trouble fake news organizations cause him. >> fake news. you don't have the problem in russia. >> yes, yes. >> a good laugh was had by all. even the president doesn't know or doesn't care but as i said, 25 journalists have been killed in russia since 2000. we should also point out that one year ago today, a mass shooter killed five employees of
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a d.c. area newspaper "the capital gazette." let's talk about this with james clapper. he is a cnn national security analyst. he is also author of the book "facts and fears." director clapper, when you see and hear this kind of levity between the president and vladimir putin, i'm wondering what goes through your mind. >> well, i think for the president and his supporters, he was just smoking and joking. for me it was kind of a -- i don't know, stunning but not surprising to treat a profound threat to this country like the russian meddling as cavalierly as that, i think it's very disturbing. >> and then on top of that, you know, according to reuters, the president was complaining about fake news to vladimir putin of all people and then putin commiserates with him, this after at least 26 journalists
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have been murdered during his time. putin says, yes, yes, we have them. >> well, i think if the president's instincts were allowed to prevail, he would have a similar system for repressing the media in this country as putin enjoys in russia. and if -- unless you're in the mode of add lating the president, you're an enemy of the state or any of the people and that's, again, a very disturbing thing because free and independent media is a hallmark of our democracy. >> you know, one can't get in the head of somebody else unless you're a trained professional, i guess, but it does seem like the president wants the approval of whoever is in front of him and will kind of go out of his way even if it's highly inappropriate to sort of get some sort of sense of, oh, we're in this together, it's -- you know, we have a relationship.
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>> yeah, it's -- you know, i want to be buds with everybody. and of course we didn't note that the advance criticism of some of our allies, which i think would kind of get their meetings off to an awkward start at least after publicly criticizing the likes of france or india or anybody. >> germany. >> germany, exactly. and then, you know, we sort of praise or refuse to criticize the likes of vladimir putin or mohammed bin salman in saudi arabia. >> right. and the president was seen with mohammed bin salman at this summit just nine months after the killing of journalist jamal khashoggi standing no less center stage with the president of the united states. >> yeah, it's a -- it's disturbing and distressing that mbs, mohammed bin salman, is kind of getting a pass here for the murder of khashoggi, the journalist. and there's no doubt in my mind
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that he was implicated in this, that he not only acquiesced and knew about it, but i believe he directed it. it's bad that he gets the reception he's getting. >> there's no way a hit team goes into the saudi consolute in another country without high-level approval or the highest level of approval and brings a bone saw to what they initially allege was going to be an interview. it's -- i would have thought somebody in the white house at the very least would have asked, you know, a couple of people to be in between the president and mohammed bin salman. it's not as if they don't get advance notice of this kind of thing. >> if this were a conventional administration, this administration is certainly not conventional, you would think you would think about the optics of the picture and their appearing together after so short a period after the murder. >> director clapper, i appreciate your time.
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president trump has praised the same prince that has been implicated by united nations investigation in the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. he made light of it. he made light of russian interference in the 2020 election, praised the saudi prince who many believe was involved with the murder of jamal khashoggi and tweeted about seeing kim jong-un again, if only just to shake his hand, if only. joining me now is james baker, former general counsel for the fbi and elliot williams. as the former fbi counsel, what goes through your mind when you hear the president make light of russia's election interference while sitting next to the man responsible for it.
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>> it's shocking, but there have been so many shocking things that have happened over the past couple of years, starting with firing james comey because the president didn't like this particular investigation. look, the russians, the russian government and vladimir putin, they are the enemy of the united states, they are the enemy of the people. they are the ones who in director mueller's words, engaged in a concerted attack on our political system through military and intelligence elements of the russian government. they are the enemy that we should be worried about. it's good for the president to have effective working relationships with foreign leaders, but when it comes to somebody who has done the kinds of things that vladimir putin has with respect to our country and the fundamentals of our democracy, this should be just unacceptable. >> also, they're bonding over their mutual disdain for the news media. russia is a place where journalists have been murdered. >> exactly. the first amendment is one of the things that has distinguished this country from
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all the other autocratic regimes that have existed for centuries and it's something that we should cherish and not den nate, especially in front of vladimir putin. >> elliot, we've already seen the president outraged over the fact that robert mueller is going to be testifying in some three weeks. he's very clearly said he will not go beyond or does not want to go beyond what's in -- can he stick to that? obviously republicans have a different strategy than the democrats do. but clearly democrats want to hear more about his thought process, which is not in the report. >> let me put it this way, congressional hearings are the one place in the world where the movie is actually better than the book. and we have this book in the form of the mueller report. but hearing a witness testify to only the information that's in it, so think about a couple weeks ago when he gave that press conference, that was probably some of the most riveting material that we've seen thus far because what you had was the person who had drafted a major legal document saying to the american people
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for the first time i could not exonerate the president of crimes. he went as far as to say what he could not say, but it was still incredibly powerful. and i think putting him on the witness stand and really going through that has a huge impact. even if he's not going to accuse the president of treason or any nonsense like that, it's going to be incredibly consequential testimony. and the democrats do get a lot and can draw some blood from this. >> jim, do you agree with that? knowing what mueller said he would and wouldn't say, do you agree it's going to be powerful and how would you approach questioning him then? >> yes, i think exactly it will be very powerful. approaching him in terms of questioning, look, i plead with the democrats to not engage in speechifying in these hearings. >> they -- all these politicians do that. they waste so much time making a statement. >> exactly. it's a waste of time and it is affirmatively not in the interest of the american people for them to do that.
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so, i would say, pick one or two members who have maybe a background as a prosecutor and who are good at asking questions, give all your time to them. let them tell the story by having more time to do so, rather than trying to get through everything in five minutes. and have a strategy like that to lay out exactly what parts of the mueller report they want to hit. but don't speechify. that's the worst possible thing they could do. >> it's easy to say don't, but this is what they always do. >> yeah, jim raises an excellent point. they're not bound to have every single member -- supreme court hearings are the best example of this. they all speechify, kamala harris we saw yesterday, when three or four of them are very effective questioners and it will make for a much more productive hearing. >> also the chair of the house intelligence committee said he will ask questions that are outside the report. will that waste time? will that -- >> mueller may not answer --
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fireworks, separation, or any other anxieties, (announcer) if your dog suffers from fear of thunder, thundershirt may be the answer. thundershirt, absolutely, 100% works. the huge decisions handed down this week by the supreme court on gerrymandering and the citizenship questions of the 2020 consensus were both written by chief justice roberts, one outraged liberals, the other conservatives. our chief analyst gloria borger now with an in-depth look at justice john roberts. >> reporter: in this class photo of the men and women in black, one justice sits smiling front and center, although idealogically he's actually on the right. chief justice john roberts, thrust into the top role 14 years ago, the youngest chief in more than 200 years now leading a divided court as a divided nation watches. >> no collusion.
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>> reporter: anorm-busting republican president and an aggressive democratic house colliding. >> it's like two glaciers crushing together and anybody that's caught between those two glaciers or icebergs can be crushed. there's high stakes and lots of tension. >> and where does that leave john roberts? >> right smack in the middle of things. >> reporter: on the docket, old questions once considered settled about the issue of abortion and new questions about the president's power and congress' authority. >> every generation has a moment where the supreme court seems to stand on the edge of the abyss. right now there are fundamental questions about the protection of individual liberty and about the basic structure of our government that are up for grabs in ways that we haven't seen in decades. >> reporter: in a stunning move, roberts has already declared the court's independence in a public broadside after trump criticized judges as political writing we
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do not have obama judges or trump judges. what we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges. >> roberts' pushback against trump was an example of what an artful politician roberts is because it showed him defending the judiciary, pretending in my view that they are apolitical but giving himself the political space to continue to be the conservative that he's always been. >> reporter: with extraordinary impact. >> i don't think you can overstate his power in america. >> reporter: joan biskupic is the author of the john roberts biography "the chief." >> he introduces each case that's going to be voted on after oral arguments and deciding what new cases to take up. he's in a position to steer the conversation. i think he knows that people are looking to the supreme court to be neutral, to be setting a certain tone. >> we do not sit on opposite
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sides of an aisle. we do not caucus in separate rooms. we do not serve one party or one interest. we serve one nation. >> reporter: but there's no denying the court's conservative majority since the retirement of swing voter anthony kennedy. but progressives continue to hold out hope that given roberts' concern for the institution, he might swing their way once in a while. >> don't kid yourself. john roberts is not anthony kennedy. he is far more conservative on all the hot button issues, on abortion, civil rights, voting rights, on campaign finance. but he is also someone concerned about the institutional reputation of the court and someone who does not want to see the court lurch quickly. but don't kid yourself about which way he wants to see the court go, it's to the right. >> reporter: it's where he was always been, a product of the
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reagan revolution. that cadre of young lawyers who served in washington to change the world. >> well, the tenor of the times was there hadn't been a republican president -- there hadn't been an acceptance or an involvement of the conservative movement. >> he was a special assistant to the attorney general. before that he was clerk to justice rehnquist and a very prominent court of appeals judge so he was in the judiciary then. then he was in the white house, the executive branch. >> reporter: when at 27, he went to work for ronald reagan's counsel fred fielding. >> when you're in the white house counsel's office, you have to put in your thinking an ingredient of the political impact and the social impact of something not just the legalistic impact. and i hope that that was helpful to john in developing his own philosophies. >> he was for limiting voting rights, he was for eliminating affirmative action, he was for
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restricting abortion rights. this was the reagan agenda and it was his agenda. >> reporter: and it's still his agenda? >> i think chief justice roberts doesn't think about himself as having a policy agenda anymore, but his judicial agenda certainly is consistent with the with the values and policies he aspoused almost 40 years ago in the reagan years. >> married with two children, the son of an indiana steel executive for the product of a high school and harvard law the young roberts always figured he'd be writing history instead of making it. >> what motivated me to go to law school is that there were not a lot of jobs for history teachers. >> reporter: roberts had plenty of offers as a lawyer and became a federal judge. and then in 2005 george w. bush
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catapulted him to a job at the age of 50. >> he's argued 39 cases in front of the supreme court. >> reporter: roberts was smooth. >> i will remember it's my call to call balls and strikes and not to pitch or bat. judges are like umpires. umpires make the rules, they apply them. >> do his rulings reflect he's just an umpire calling the balls and strikes here? >> no. no, he's trying to diminish his role. but there is no strike zone in judging. there's judgments in judging and of course the chief knows that. >> reporter: only too well. he voted against to save obamacare. >> roberts basically said to his fellow republicans, look, you want to overturn obamacare, help yourself but i'm not going to do it for you. >> his vote in the affordable care act case was not easy at
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all, in fact he switched twice behind the scenes, and he had to have known how much conservative anger he was going to generate. >> reporter: conservatives had come to depend on him. when he voted to loosen campaign finance laws and oppose same sex marriage, and they praised him when he wrote the majority opinion with a key part of the voting rights act requiring federal permission for some states to change their voting laws, a decision that still horrifies the civil rights community. >> it's like wack a mole. how can you keep up with every polling place change, every purge scheme? how do you keep up with that in thousands of counties in states all over this country, particularly in the south? it is overwhelming and exhausting and we don't catch all of it. >> reporter: the roberts court no doubt heading into even more controversy. the question is how quickly. from abortion -- >> we shouldn't expect a decision next year that
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overrules roe. we could expect a death by a thousand cuts that he carefully engineers over the next decade or so. >> reporter: to the power of the president. >> if i'm donald trump i feel very confident that john roberts will be with me at the end of the day because executive power especially visa vi the congress has been one of robert's core values since he got out of law school. >> reporter: donald trump and john roberts are stuck with each other, like it or not. >> we're asking the chief justice in his court to guide us through these treacherous waters even as they are themselves under seemg. and i think everyone in that building has a sense has a deep understanding these are fraught times. >> up next a thanks from me and someone who made this show. ♪ when you get right down to it... freedom is the ability to go where you wanna go...
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finally tonight, i just want to take a moment to bid a bittersweet good-bye but not farewell to someone who's been here at 360 and overseeing virtually every aspect of my life for nearly a dozen years. assistant is not really the right word. joey has been much more than that. he's been a true collaborator. he's made it possible for me to get from the studio to halfway around the world in a moments notice to cover breaking news to 60 minutes shoots to home again. and he's done it all with a wicked sense of humor, a smile and more than a little bit of shouting on the phone. he is a force of nature, unafraid to tell anyone at 360 exactly what he thinks about a story or a guest or them, and let me tell you that includes me as it should. you're lucky in this business or any business, frankly, to have a colleag colleague who works so tirelessly on your behalf. and when i was on assignment i
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could always count on joey to keep an eye on my mom. she adored him. we all do. to use a phrase coined by professor joseph campbell joey is going to be following his bliss. his favorite singer is the late dona summer and today as we gathered tried not to get all gooey, i couldn't help think of those lyrics from mccarthy park which i've heard joey sing thousands of times. ♪ >> for the record, no pun intended, joey would never let a cake get stuck out in the rain.
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he has been the baker behind the scenes of everything i've done at cnn, and i'll never have that recipe again. joey, thank you. let the music play and yes i was quoting the artist shannon, and yes i had to have joey tell me who shannon was. the news continues. the united states and beijing have just agreed to reopen stalled trade talks according to chinese state media as the g-20 summit in japan wraps up. and the united states one day after a bruising debate u.s. presidential candidate joe biden is defending his civil rights record. and a hot time in france. temperatures there reach an all-time high as europe deals with a brutal heat wave. live from cnn world headquarters in atlanta welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm george howell. >> i'm natalie allen. "cnn newsroom" starts right
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