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harris accused biden of working with segregationist senators to oppose bussing. the l.a. times noted, quote, the ambush seems carefully planned. it was photographed with a young kamala harris that was added to the t-shirt of a commercial merchandise store. biden responded saying in part he did not oppose bussing in america but did oppose bussing ordered in the department of education. it's a complicated issue to address in short sound bites. but in his 2007 memoir "promises to keep." biden took five full pages to complain has past role righting in part, the following, bug was a liberal train wreck and it was tearing people apart. the quality of the schools in and around washington were already suffering and they would never be the same. teachers were going to be transferred without consultation

to new school districts. in some instances they would be forced to take a pay cut. new castle county had about two thirds of the school-age population of the state and now every one of them children was going to be assigned to a new school. and a large percentage them were going to be moved to a new school some farce away. white parents were terrified that their children would be shipped into the toughest neighborhood in washington, black parents were terrified that their children would be targets of violence in the suburban schools. it also meant that a parent-teacher conference could cost them a half day of work. a lot of people in inner city wilmington didn't have cars. there was no reliable public transportation. nobody was happy. i tried to use it only when school districts had work actively to segregate children by race, dejure segregation.

the point is busing when it's organizational. and "the washington post" noted yesterday that harris' home state of california is today the most segregated in the country for latino students where 58% attend what the ucla civil rights project considers intensely sbeg gaited schools. meaning schools that enroll 90 to 100% nonwhite students or an equivalent share of white students. harris a platform has made teachers a centerpiece of said indication plan, student debt as well but thus far has said nothing about busing. and yesterday, the mercury news confirmed that the program that bussed harris was voluntary, not court ordered. and a biden aide told "the washington post" that he would not have opposed it. bottom line, this is an institution ill suited for a 60-second sound bite.

be sure to answer the question at smerconish.com. we're asking does joe biden owe any pauly for his past position on busing? so does biden's fuller explanation reflected in his memoir absolve his past role? i want to ask the leader of the harvard kennedy school. brooks is the former president and ceo of the naacp. professor, he distinguishes between de facto and unintent n unintentional and dejure, does that provide any cover or context for this? >> it provides context but it does not provide cover. it is important to make a distinction between dejure and de facto and segregation. but also segregation as a consequence of policy. that is to say, as schools,

segregated as a consequence of law or policy. but also, segregation brought about as a consequence of housing policy. housing laws. residential segregation. so, in other words, children can arrive at segregated schools as a consequence of administrators and elected officials and policymakers sending them to those schools. or they can arrive at segregated schools as a consequence of real estate brokers and housing developers and those responsible for our neighborhoods looking color coded in response to society. so that distinction is necessary, but not entirely sufficient. >> he said, in his memoir, that if it were intentional segregation, we can put this up on the screen, quote, i'd personally pay for helicopters to move the children. i think what he was saying in the book, and i've read all of

it is, if there were a natural practice of people living among those who looked like them then they didn't think it was the government's role to interrupt those housing patterns and bus kids away from their domicile. but if there were shenanigans being played here then quote/unquote, he would have spent the money himself for the helicopters to move the kids. >> yes, but the problem with that explanation is it doesn't speak to the fact that there are shenanigans and strategies for segregation that take place and that took place in our neighborhoods. so, in other words, it's not that communities are divided by race and ethnicity, based upon choices that people naturally make. these are choices that are posed by real estate agents and rental agents engaged in discrimination, bakers engaged in redlining. so it is not enough to say that when segregation is brought

about by school administrators and policymakers, we'll address it then, but we won't address it when it's brought about as a consequence of housing segregation. but the vice president in the book really didn't speak to the full complexity and the reach. and scope of segregation. and so, again, his distinction is necessary. but not nearly sufficient. and it certainly doesn't speak to the fact that segregation is not a matter of the distant past, and very much a part of the present. so, in other words, ucla and penn state did a study which speaks to the fact that our schools are being segregated as we speak. segregation is increasing, and worsening as we speak. >> right. i quoted from it in my opening commentary. the mercury news coverage i thought was pretty sophisticated, good depth. and it suggests that the program

that bussed now senator kamala harris was voluntary, a pilot program of sorts. the point being that nothing that joe biden ever advocated would have denied her that ride on the bus. do you agree with that? >> yes. it's important to make that distinction between voluntary busing, and busing imposed by local officials. by the federal government, by the department of education. that's an important distinction to be made. or distinction to be made. but it's also important to be very clear about this, that busing along with other strategies for integrating our schools must be backed up by the full authority of the federal government when necessary. we cannot make integration a matter of the personal choices or whims of elected officials in the face of persistent racial segregation in our schools and

our neighborhoods. that's the issue. what people were very concerned about, in terms of the primary debate was the fact that the vice president seemed to suggest a millennial form of stage right. in other words, we can pursue integration when it meets the wishes and the whims of local officials, as opposed to using the full measure and weight of the federal government, including the department of education, when necessary. >> i hope we shed some light on a complicated subject. i appreciate you being here, professor. >> good to be here. >> tweet me, go to my smerconish page. i predict a biden/harris ticket. weirder things have happened. nick, it's interesting that you make that observation. going into the debate, many people speculated that would be

the dream ticket with the former vice president at the tom of the ticket, right? you've got gender balance, racial balance, geographic balance. you've got an age balance, she seemed willing, senator harris, to put it all on the line, right? by going after him and essentially laying claim, no, to the top of the ticket. but you're not ruling out in the end they could still be together. interesting. i want to know what you think go to my website at smerconish.com. answer my survey question, does joe biden owe any apology for his past position on busing? up ahead, they have nowhere to go put up, the two goals scored by megan rapinoe, some view the soccer state as red state/blue state after her comments after visiting the white house. >> and later, the president is

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this holiday weekend. there's a complete ground stop at the newark airport due to an emergency with an aircraft. a passenger said that a plane had to make an emergency landing. cnn has reached out to the faa for more information. we will keep you add vivised. meanwhile, the u.s. women's soccer dominating on the world stage beating france 2-1 saturday. taking it all home and an invitation to the white house. but will anybody show up. co-captain megan rapinoe that scored both of the goals who said she wasn't going to the white house if the team wins the world cup. it prompted a tweet from the president. he then added megan should never disrespect our country or the flag special,ly because so much has been done for her and the team. be proud of the flag you that wear. while rapinoe is standing by her comments not to visit the white

house. he has accepted an invitation from representative alexandria ocasio-cortez to visit. >> so invited and the team to the white house to celebrate the championship, i can't wait to meet you guys. >> thank you so much, mr. president. we can't wait. we'll be there. >> later that year, the team including rapinoe did go to the white house. joining us now, "usa today" sports columnist christine brennan. hey, christine, so much for politics being a distraction on the pitch yesterday afternoon, because they were really hot. >> that's right, michael, yes, the who scored the first goal, megan rapinoe. and the second goal, megan rapinoe. certainly one of the biggest games in international sports in the united states ever.

so the final score was, i guess, rapinoe, 2, france, 1, trump, 0. i think what's fascinating as somebody who has covered sports, and i've covered sports for over 30 years and i certainly covered rapinoe for the length of her career. what's interesting president trump has decided to go after an athlete on the field of play right now wearing the red, white and blue. it's one thing to go after colin kaepernick or nba players, calling them sobs, i'm not for that. i don't think it's a good thing to do for the president of the united states. this is a beloved american people representing the country overseas. and the president is still picking a fight with one of its top players. >> but i have to ask you, you're better dialed in on this than i am, that's why you're here. but didn't her comment precede anything that he said? didn't she cast the first stone with i'm not going to visit the f'ing white house?

>> i think she's cast other stones. she's talked about this president as did lindsey vonn and the figure skater, whose life changed after a statement that adam rapon made to me. could you imagine if someone was critical of a president george h.w. bush, or barack obama, what the reaction would have been, i'm sure the response would have been i'm cheering for megan rapinoe. and brushed off. >> look, i don't like any of it. it used to be that our political differences stopped at the water's edge. from what i saw via social media yesterday and into last flight suggests that now there's this red state/blue state divide, in the united states, as to whether

people are even cheering for the women's team to win it all, which i just think is sad. >> one of the things that's changed, of course, we've got twitter and other social media. so athletes are expressing themselves. we didn't hear this in the '80s. we probably would have but there was no vehicle for these athletes to say these things. so that's part of it. but i do think when you're looking at someone like megan rapinoe, again, it seems to me it's very natural for her to speak out and talk about these things. the u.s. women's national team, michael, is so popular. it is beloved. frankly, i'd say it's beloved in red states as much 0 if not more than blue states. >> i'd have to say you're giving her a pass for the white house comment. i'm not. and that offended me. i think you got to respect the white house and oval office, i'll give you a chance to finish. regardless of who the occupant might be. i just don't like any of it.

let's elevate all of this conversation and all celebrate what is one hell of a team. you get the final word. >> i'm not a fan of expletives in anything i do. i do agree with you. by the way, rapinoe apologized saying her mother wouldn't have liked the expletive. so these done that. that should be noted. and i do think athletes speaking out is not unusual. and that video clip that included the expletive was shot months ago and it did drop this week. they did not do that overseas. she did that in the united states. i'm not giving her the entire pass. but i do think the president has controlled the narrative and he's decided to dive right into this. obviously no surprise. >> i think you and i agree on the most important thing we want them to win and continue to win. thank you christine brennan. >> michael, thank you. >> let's see what you're saying from facebook. my only problem with the remark

from the u.s. soccer captain is not now the only thing people are talking about the remark of one person instead of folk coverage on how great of a team they are. rk, i agree with you. it distressed with, this is what i was talking with christine, i watched the bulk of that match as i was preparing for this program. and then i went to social media. and i took a look at it to see the cross fire, democratic, about women's soccer when we're celebrating this fabulous team, it was just a stressor. used to be that our domestic differences stopped at the water's edge and we were united against a common foe. those days seem to be over. up ahead, president trump is pumping the brakes on the chinese goods after meeting with president xi and inviting kim jong-un to say hello at the dmz. what's the reaction here at home? and later, there was a reaction on the democratic debate stage not on policy.

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japan, while there he tweeted an invitation to meet kim jong-un at the dmz, inviting him to a hand shake and to say hello. but when the president is overseas, he's also keeping tabs on the democratic debates here at home. commenting on the recent rift between joe biden and kamala harris. >> she was given too much credit. he didn't do well, certainly. and maybe the facts weren't necessarily on his side. i think she was given too much credit for what she did. it wasn't that outstanding. and i think probably he was hit harder than he should have been hit. >> joining me now columnist for "washington post" max boot, it's the party of no ideas versus the party of bad ones. also joining me celina zito, the reporter for the examiner, she's the author of "the great revolt." max, i'll start with you, of

what significance are these events overseas like meeting with chairman kim on the debate we're having at home as to the 2020 campaign? >> well, i don't think it's going to have a huge impact, michael because there's really very little knew about what president trump is doing overseas which is that he's gushing over dictators and kicking our allies in the shins. i mean, it's disgusting to see him describe vladimir putin as a great guy, a good guy, saying that mohammed bin salman of saudi arabia is doing a spectacular job. this is the crown prince responsible for dismembering one of my colleagues at the "washington post." or now gushing over what will a great wall there is at the dmz separating communist north korea from free south korea. sadly, however, this is something we've gotten used to that's kind of baked into the cake. i think most voters who dislike trump understand he's going to continue acting this way and for the trump faith, this is not

going to shake their faith in any way. but this is not going to have any impact domestically. but it's pathetic this is the president of the united states acting like this and failing to represent the values that the united states is supposed to stand for. >> celina, you are the trump whisperer. among the forgotten that you have written so effectively about. when they see the image of the two of them together, he and putin or the president having breakfast with mbs, and mbs believed to have played the direct role in the killing of khashoggi, how do these events play, if at all, with those folks who have been trump supporters in the past? >> well, i completely agree with max. in that i don't think it impacts their image or more importantly their support of him, just as people that don't like him, it just sort of reinforces the things that they believe are wrong about his presidency. what i think is interesting right now, in the sort of

current political climate and what we're kind of not talking about is after watching, you know, the debates, we see a lot of democrats who were, you know -- that sort of around part of the faculty lounge, or, you know, not happy with what they saw in the debate very similar to republicans who weren't happy with what they saw with the republican party in 2016 after the debate started rolling and trump sort of sucked up all of the oxygen. so it's a very interesting place that we are right now. a lot of people feel left out by both of their parties. >> despite the fact that they had 20 different choices on two different nights? >> yeah, yeah, absolutely. so labor people that i talk to not just in my home state of pennsylvania but ohio and michigan, people who did not

vote for trump, and not saying they will not vote for him. but they watched the two debates in a row, with the exception of the 25 seconds by inlinsl insle was no mention of the union. that's stunning to them because union workers are often used as a backdrop when a candidate comes to town, right? they're on the stage. they use them and run to them for cover. but, you know, they didn't say, hey, we have your back on this. or these things are important to -- you are important to us, there was no mention of that. and i think what we tend to miss is these voters might not vote for trump in 2020. they may just sit it out. and that can be beneficial -- >> well, let me -- >> to -- yeah, go ahead. >> let me ask max about his recent piece for "the washington

post" which i thought was compelling. max, you say you're worried that democrats are moving left at a dizzying pace at what you've seen thus far. give me an example of what you're referencing? >> well, michael, you saw in the debates over two nights where pretty much all of the democratic candidates agreed that immigration -- illegal immigration of this country should be decriminalized. they all agreed that undocumented immigrants who receive free health care. you had several of the leading contenders including warren and harris agrees and sanders agreeing that private health insurance to provide coverage to 49% of americans. that most people are pretty unhappy with. donald trump wants to run in 2020 by assailing democrats as being open border caricatures.

i think what you see is a lot of candidates are playing into trump's hands. they're making it easy for him. there are more moderate candidates like buttigieg. but it's clear it's coming from the progressive wing. and there's a reason for that because causal he's candidates are courting progressive primary voters but they need to be careful not to put themselves out. >> and i'm trying to get to the survey question of the day today, here's joe biden having reversed himself. to the detriment in general that so many of the folks that salena writes about, and a record relative to busing. i think both of you have your fingers on an really important issue. i thank you so much for bleeg

here. let us check in on your tweets and facebook comments. what do we have, kathryn, from twitter? smerconish we as democrats are not listening to the center of the country. they need to listen, not talk. people want better paying jobs and they don't care about green or not. we as democrats are not listening to the center of the country. john, that is exactly what salena was saying that she heard no reference to unions, with the exception of insley. and then i recommend max's piece in "the washington post" where he cites all of these examples where democratic candidates are saying things that play well in primary and caucus season but could be a death knell in a general election. i get your point is what i'm trying to say. please answer the survey question, does joe biden owe any apology for his past position on busing? i hope you heard my opening

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in the aftermath of the first of the two democratic debates thus far the biggest talking point was climate change or health care or the economy. it was talking in espanol. beto o'rourke started, cory booker and julian castro felt obliged to match it. late night hosts and alexandria ocasio-cortez all had a field day with the language skills on display. the most viral meme was this snapshot of candidates and warren reacting to o'rourke's spanish answer. was it a savvy employ to acknowledge the widening ploy of the electorate? or pathetic pandering.

joaning me anchor and special correspondent for univision. enrique, how did you see it? >> well, i'm glad, i'm happy that spanish is being used and celebrated in these political debates. i just think whether you do it in english or spanish, you have to answer the question. and that didn't happen in most cases. so it's not just about language with hispanics. yes, spanish is an american language, we should celebrate that. but it's about answering the questions and setting ideas to the fastest growing voting bloc in the electorate in the 2020 election. >> it's interesting when you look at some of the polling data on this subject. what you ask all americans what they make of it, 42% saw it as pandering. that's all u.s. adults. and i don't know if you can see the screen. but democrats and republicans see things differently. when you ask democrats that number, you know, 47% of democrats think it is respectful.

among hispanics, and i know it's hard to judge and to paint with a broad brush, but do you think this is effective in the hispanic community or not? >> well, let's call it hispandering then. i would say it gets you through the door, but i don't know it gets you people's votes. again, you got to go and sell them ideas and just like saying -- that doesn't mean they're going to vote for you or come out in the numbers that democrats need latinos to do in 2020. so, i think it's more sophisticated than just language. i think we've learned that two-thirds of the hispanic electorate is u.s.-born that means they're english dominant. it's personal, it's about identity. but they care more about jobs, education, health care, national security. so, let's hope that democrats understand this, spend enough money resources time to get this part of the electorate excited

about the election. >> right. and also, i'm glad you cleared up that misnomer in terms of two-thirds of hispanic being u.s.-born. also to pass the citizenship test you got to exhibit some proficiency with regard to english. my point is it's not necessary and there are some who seek to use this incorrectly to reach those quote/unquote shouldn't be voting. none of that is true. >> none of that is true. immigrants, of course, part of it is learning the language. learning english. i'm an immigrant from mexico, my english sometimes, you hear that in my accent. but it's an important part of my assimilation to the united states. but it's not the only part. it's about sharing ideas from both cultures. feeding off of both cultures and i think that's what we speak about immigration and diversity.

we saw that diversity play out on the stage, not just in points of view and generations, but also race and gender. >> m auchuchas gracias. >> muchas gracias. >> let's reach out to twitter. smerconi smerconish, the dem candidates speaking spanish was nothing else than pandering and i find it very annoying. i notice your name is anderson, but i'll keep reading. do they think hispanics are so shallow to vote for someone just because they speak the language. so stupid. is it hispandering as my guest was saying or a sign of respect in trying to reach the audience that otherwise you might not be able to do? interesting that the

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has chief justice john roberts become the new swing vote in the post-anthony kennedy supreme court? this week roberts sided by liberals in one case, conservatives in another. writing opinions in both. roberts joined the liberal justices in a 5-4 ruling. and in the court's 5-4 decision not to rule on two gerrymandering cases, roberts sided with the conservatives. so what does this say about john roberts and the reconstituted court. joining me author of the biography "the chief." and this new piece at cnn.com, chief justice john roberts is exercising the power he's

craved. so, joan, is he the new anthony kennedy? >> no, but he is the new swing vote, michael. ever since justice kennedy retired a year ago this week it put john roberts at the median ideologic ideologically. but he was always going to be the swing vote, the question is what kind of a swing vote would he be? what kind of a middle player would he be. it's so unusual to have a man chief justice of the united states, also have the power of being at the center. so, i'll answer the question that you posed to viewers at the outset, is john roberts the new swing vote? yes, but is he like anthony kennedy? no. >> what i know from createding and enjoying your book is this tension that he faces. you argue that he's the same guy he's ever been. he's the same in terms of his judicial philosophy, as when he was a young lawyer in the reagan

administration. but now with this awesome responsibility of being the chief justice, he views his role additionally as being a protector of the court. will you speak to that issue? >> sure. and that's why i say he's no anthony kennedy. anthony kennedy and sandra day o'connor before him. and even louis powell before those two, they were swing votes in a different mode. it had to do, almost entirely, with their jurisprudence. whereas, with the chief justice, he's got this extra weight of wanting to protect the integrity of the judiciary, especially in these volatile times. just think of how he started this annual session which begins back in the fall, you know, by reminding everyone that the third branch is different. people aren't elected. they're appointed. and then he had that rebuke of president trump saying there are no obama judges, there are no trump judges. we're all just neutrally trying to apply the law.

so he's trying to send out a signal about judging that he wanted -- i believe he wants to fulfill. and that goes to his role as chief. so, he's a little bit harder to predict in some of these cases. as the man in the middl let's just do a thought experiment to compare the chief to anthony kennedy. anthony kennedy had wanted to keep the door open to partisan gerrymandere gerrymanderers, but john roberts cast the fifth vote this week to just shut the door completely to partisan gerrymanders, so that case might have gone differently if anthony kennedy was still at the middle, and then similarly with the census question and whether citizenship could be asked, i just wonder if anthony kennedy would have come up with the same grounds and acted in the same manner that the chief did in this one that was so

closely watched and viewed through a highly partisan lens. >> can i just make one quick observation before we have to wrap? >> sure. >> the census issue might not be over, right? i mean, it's entirely possible now that they can take the result as crafted by roberts and come back to the court with something that they couldn't deny? quick thought from you. >> that's exactly right because john roberts said that under, you know, administrator procedures act, under enumeration clause, constitutional grounds, the administration has this authority. it's just that it lie -- he didn't use the word lie, but he essentially did. it's just that it lied about the sole reason for wanting to do this, and he's giving the administration another chance to justify adding that citizenship question. >> people should read your book and make sure they get to the acknowledgments and learn about the unique clip files system that allowed you to recall. i'm not going to give it all away, but that was my favorite

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