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"the post" describes among numerous other shams, then citizen trump crashing charity events to get photo ops and stiffing the actual charity with little to no money. oh, yeah, that was his move. it was all bounce and no check. the trump foundation also paid off hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal settlements that citizen trump incurred involving hisser for-profit businesses. again, this was supposed to be a charity, not an endo youment wme bernie madoff school of drifting. no, those paintings should not be confused with the renoir painting mr. trump has long displayed in his trump tower apartment and claims it's an original. you'll be shocked to learn that it's not an original and the real original is in the art institute of chicago. so philanthropist in chief, that's a hard no. sketchy art patron and photo
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bomber, now that's a true and evermore on the ridiculous. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris? >> thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." biden is going backwards in the polls in the latest post-debate. taking him on over race worked. you know what that means. there's going to be more of it. and the opponent who came at him the most benefitted the most in the recent polls. kamala harris, the senator from california, got a big boost. question, is that why the president's son retweeted a birther-style smear about her? that's the great debate. and what was his sister ivanka doing at the center of g20 class photos in private conversations with world leaders? she was also at her father's high-stakes sit-down with kim jong-un at the dmz? shouldn't we have the best diplomats beside our president who clearly needs the support. and lawmakers went to the border today. they were shocked.
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you should be too. but not for the same reason. what do you say? let's get after it. all right. we knew things were going to change after this debate, but, boy, did they change a lot. five points now separate joe biden from the candidate in the number two slot, and that right now is senator kamala harris rocketing her way to second place in our brand-new cnn poll. her support with democrats, 9 points to the plus since thursday's debate. biden's number, 10, the bad way. warren, senator elizabeth warren, now in third place. sanders in fourth. now, what's noteworthy is that black voters are keeping biden in the lead even after the race roe that rocked the debate. i'm stuttering a little bit, because i didn't really write it the right way.
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there's a lot of change within the black numbers that we're going to have to take a look at. and we will tonight. it's a mixed message in there. let's bring in congressional black caucus member, bobby rush, who is now a surrogate for harris. endorsing her as a once in a lifetime leader. good to have you on, sir. >> chris, it's certainly good to be on. >> the pleasure is mine as always. and the reason that i'm working my way through that is that, ing you know, when you look at the black vote here, are they still for biden? yes. but they came down. and harris had a huge pop that seems to be a nod of recognition among the african-american voters base. how do you see the change in the numbers after the debate? >> well, i think they -- senator harris really introduced herself to america, to all of america, and certainly she answered the questions that was on the minds of most americans -- most of the democratic voters and that is can she be elected?
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as you know, the number one priority for democrats is someone who can be elected and they want trump out. and so they're looking for a candidate who can take it to trump, who can stand toe to toe with trump, who can represent them in a meaningful and profound and strong way and that person showed up at the debate last thursday. and that person is senator kamala harris. >> so you believe that, that kamala harris is the best bet for the democrats to win the presidency? would you change your mind, everybody should know, but bobby is a democrat from illinois, congressman, would you change your mind if president barack obama came out and said i think joe biden is the best one? >> i am absolutely 100% behind senator kamala harris. i think that she has what it takes to beat trump.
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and that's -- i'm going to be working very, very hard and vigorously for her in illinois and throughout the midwest. i think that she is the one. i think that this is our opportunity to really come -- get around -- gather around the candidate and really take this nomination and take this victory and kick this guy out of the white house. >> all right. congressman, i'm going to put up the numbers. and, look, everything is subject to change. you've been studying polls for decades. they're just a suggestion of where we are at a moment in time. best chance to beat trump, if you look right now, kamala doesn't have the highest number. it's still biden by a long shot. she's new. the race is early. she's certainly moving up. here's my question for you. the senator seems to struggle on
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the most important issue for democrats, which is health care. she keeps going back and forth between being all in, like bernie sanders, and then not. more than once, congressman, she's made the same mistake. and to be clear, i've invited her on the show, i've invited her campaign to come on the show all the time to have these discussions. i can only make the offer. i can't accept it for them. but she keeps saying, yeah, i'm all-in, no private insurance, and then she backs up afterwards. it's not a good way to go forward into this. i have a couple of questions about it. first, what do you think about the back and forth? >> i think that as this campaign unfolds, as the candidates are honing and sharpening their message and their positions, i think that senator harris will be real crystal clear on where she stands on the issue of health care for all americans. and i'm not sure whether or not it's going to mean medicare for all or what it would be. but i think she would be
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absolutely 100 -- crystal clear on her position in terms of health care. >> well, it's going to be important. also, i think you guys have a problem on health care. there is no question looking at the midterms, people, yes, there was a rejection of the president. even though he wasn't on the ballot. he was. but health care was their main concern. now for democrats you have to figure out what your deal is for the american people, and it seems like the more polling is done, the idea of the extreme is not extremely liked by the american people. they want their private insurance. >> chris, one thing i do know about senator harris is that she is not extreme. i think that senator harris is the candidate -- the only candidate right now who one can stand toe to toe with trump and beat trump and also who can carry the midwest.
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she is the candidate that have the values, that really entices me and really persuaded me that she's the one. it's not the extremes. you know, she can come down the middle on health care and be the solid representative, the solid nominee for those who want to have a comprehensive and viable and affordable health care system in america. senator harris, all right, has what it takes to bring the health care program and policy that this nation is crying out for. i have no doubt about it. >> all right. >> personally. >> congressman bobby rush, that's why you endorsed kamala harris. we appreciate you being on the show to make the case. be well, sir. >> thank you very much. it's going to be a big part of the developing picture there, how many from the congressional black caucus come to harris. you saw a jump in that after the debate.
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now, there's no question that the former vp, joe biden, slipped. but what else do we see in this data? there are different messages about african-american voters and there are messages for all the top democrats about which way they want to go on health care. the wizard of odds gave me these insights and he has foresight and he is next. ♪ >> announcer: one on one is brought to you by t-mobile. now connecting 99% of americans. t-mobile, america's network. here are even more reasons to join t-mobile. 1. do you like netflix? sure you do. that's why it's on us. 2. unlimited data. use as much as you want, when you want. 3. no surprises on your bill. taxes and fees included. still think you have a better deal? bring in your discount, and we'll match it. that's right.
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the numbers with harry here in a second. but we're going to look in terms of the people but also the policy. there's a message for democrats on health care and it focuses around how far do people want to see it go in terms of change. so let's bring in the wizard of odds, harry enten. so we'll talk about the policy stuff, but in terms of how versus may, we knew biden was going to take a hit. how big and where? >> we were talking about it a little bit before. look at this. this is a huge drop. look at this number, 22%, that's down 10 points from may versus harris. this time, not a bad arrow from me. she's up nine points to 17. >> she basically took his ten. >> she basically took his ten. this i'm a little less sure about, but i think these are the two most important numbers and what is driving that, look at this among african-americans, so we can split this up, we'll look at our june numbers as well as our april and may and we see biden as still ahead in june at 36%, but, look, that is way down
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from 49% versus harris who is the only one who jumped from 6% in may. it's really a two-way fight between the two of them. >> and when you're looking at this now the idea of, all right, this is bad for biden. he has to get his game going. he has to show he can deal with hi past and translate it into the future. otherwise he's got trouble. he's going to get more attacks now, because you know it works. but there's going to be another set of attacks. what else do we see in these numbers about what's a problem for democrats not named biden. >> yeah, i so i think if we were to look, for instance, at medicare for all. i think this is an important one. and basically what we have here -- this should just be registered voters but we can cross it out. and we can go down the list and what do we see? should there be a government health insurance program, should it be replaced with private insurance, overwhelming potential dem voters say, yeah, we should have a government-run program, but -- look at this,
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this is -- i can't do -- >> that was great. >> whatever. should replace with a private plan versus favor and should -- favor replaced with a public plan, favor should not replace with a public plan. this is important, 30% say we should favor and replace overall -- >> i took it away from you. because you were screwing it up. >> i was screwing it up. favor and should replace overall, 30% among democratic primary voters verses 49%? who say we should favor and not replace it with all-public plan. >> i mean, look, doesn't the analysis end right here? half your party says don't take away my private insurance, don't make the obama mistake, in quotes, i know the democrats are going to attack me about this. when he said you can keep your doctor. people fear the change. it's tenuous enough. is that why kamala harris keeps going back and forth, yes, here's my hand raised, but now my campaign is going to switch. >> i think that's exactly right.
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you can add 13% and it's 16% who don't want to change. but look at harris' numbers because i think this is important, right? this i think is rather key, should the government health care insurance, should it be replaced with a -- should it be replaced? and this is among kamala harris' own supporters, only 18% say that the private insurance plans should all be replaced. >> why did she raise her hand? >> i don't know. >> it's not the first time. >> it's not the first time. but i think this is her hesitancy, right? perhaps thinking the bernie and warren supporters we want, and they do want to replace in our poll. but it's this middle of the block vote -- >> her whole thing is speak truth. >> you know what? a lot of times politician say speak truth and are not necessarily speaking truth. when you're dealing with an issue like this, in which the liberal base wants to replace private insurance, one for all, versus the centrist part of the party that doesn't, that i think
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is what is going on and she's not sure. this poll to me indicates that she should say i should have a public option, we should not get rid of a private insurance plan. >> and it's a problem for sanders, for warren, for harris, not a problem for biden. i think we're going to hear a lot more about that from the vp. >> this is the type of thing that joe biden should go after. because this he can say i defend obamacare. obama is loved by democrats. and this overall is very, very key. >> you cannot have the aca, obamacare, if you want, and any of these versionings of this plan. both will not co-exist. it doesn't work. so it's one or the other. >> this is the key. this is the key. >> thank you very much, my friend. i appreciate it. we'll talk about whether you get to use the writing anymore. this was a step back for you. that's all i'm going to say. >> in college i used a computer all the time. maybe i can use a computer out here. we'll bring a typewriter out. manual typewriter, i'll punch it one by one. >> we're going to bring back the white board. that's how i trained up. all right. so, this story matters, okay?
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nothing happens by accident in politics these days. some twitter trolls, including the president's son, has been trying to undercut kamala harris' breakout performance with what? take a guess. race-related birther-type smears. apple doesn't fall far from the tree. it's something worth debating. can the man on the right make the case it's an accident? will the man on the left accept that? the faces tell the story. thanks for coming. no problem. -you're welcome. this is the durabed of the all new chevy silverado. it looks real sturdy. -the bed is huge. it has available led cargo area lighting. lights up the entire bed. it even offers a built in 120 volt outlet. wow. plug that in for me. whoa! -holy smokes! -oh wow! and the all new silverado has more trim levels than any other pickup. whoa! oh wow! -very cool. there's something for all of us. absolutely. it's time to upgrade. (laughter) here's another cleaning tip from mr. clean. cleaning tough bathroom and kitchen messes with sprays and wipes can be a struggle.
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senator kamala harris' strong performance in last week's debate. you know what that means? she's now fresh meat for the fringe right and none other than
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don jr. has taken up the knife as well. he retweeted this last week, part of it reads, "kamala harris is not an american black. she is half indian and half jamaican." don jr. later deleted the retweet, but like his father, he opened the door to another birtherism-style conspiracy playing with race, and obviously it's against a democrat. now, his spokesman says, it's a misunderstanding. is it, or is it exactly what it looks like? that's the start of tonight's great debate. with michael eric dyson and patrick griffith. patrick, thanks for taking up this case. not an easy one. what is your defense of the obvious? >> well, chris, i come here not to defend trump or donald jr. i come here because i think it was a mistake. i think that when you do this kind of thing, and engage in this kind of thing, you take a narrative this week for the
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president that is on everything but what they should be talking about. the president had a summit meeting, the president went back to see chairman kim, the president got at least a temporary deal with china and he's got democrats fawning all over themselves, as you pointed out in your previous segment, about who can be most socially to the left. this is not the kind of message and race is the last place we should be going. >> why is he playing with it? >> i don't like it and i'm not defending it. why is he defending it? >> you say you won't defend it, but you do defend it by saying i think it was an accident. you don't retweet by accident. you don't ask a question about the thing that you're retweeting by accident. >> chris, i never said it was by accident. i'm not sure where that's coming from. what i have said is donald trump jr. should know better. >> okay. >> there's no reason to engage in this kind of thing. the bottom line, this is achieving exactly what the president doesn't need right now
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and exactly a place to be going where we don't need. so i'm not sure where that's coming from >> that's an interesting point because i think the other debater tonight will take the opposite that this is exactly where he wants to be. this is exactly why he did this with president obama. it's why he played with race during his election. and now the idea that don jr. says, well, i didn't know she was half indian. that's how you express that kind of surprise is with millions of people on twitter. do you buy it? what's it about to you? >> it's a plausible deniability. we don't have to say accidents don't happen. you always intended for the thing that occurred to occur. so the reality is the following. that, yes, we know that it was intentional, even if inadvertent. we know he wants to play with race. we know these are birther claims. and the best way to do it, throw rocks, hide your hands. pretend that you didn't intend this.
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this is not the kind of nastiness. thank god for our other debater to suggest this is ridiculous what he's done, but the thing is, they keep doing it, they keep repeating it. this is a constant reoccurring theme with the president, implied racism. i'm not a racist, i don't have a racist bone in my body, but those muscles are awful bigoted. so the reality is we've got to come to grips with the fact that the republicans, especially the far right wing has manipulated the symbolism of racial animus to their advantage, and then when they get caught on it and caught with their hands in the cookie jar, the proverbial cookie jar, they claim they didn't want dessert. this is feeding and fueling a nasty, vicious anti-black sentiment in this country that continues from the white house on down. >> i agree with the central part of your premise. you don't need to do this in this campaign. he's got parts he can argue, different indicators in the economy and, you know, even in the world that he could point
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to, but for some reason our president and those around him who support him dance with the fringe right, and this is what happened here again. >> well, chris, it did. and clearly at some point, donald trump jr. realized it because he took the retweet down. it never should have happened in the first place. let's realize this, though. what i think is most interesting is the professor's point is that it's always race, it's always race. i've been hearing this about republicans long before donald trump -- >> that's not what i said. >> the problem with this i have is that every single time the democrats decide that they don't have something to talk about, we run to race. look, hillary clinton ran an entire campaign on identity politics and she lost. she lost the obama coalition. she did a terrible job bringing african-americans, hispanics, young people and others who should be very concerned and are about race into her camp for the election. my problem is this, every single time people on the left go after republicans and conservatives for race, it doesn't seem to
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ding this president. why is that? i don't know. >> i got an answer. >> let's ask professor dyson. why doesn't it stick? >> well, first of all, it's not only about race. it's not exclusively about race. it's just -- the fact that as so many people have said, many republicans and the right wing live in the 51st state, the state of denial. so they refuse to acknowledge what is before us is before us. when obvious examples of racial animus, hostility, racial implication are there, they go, let's look for every other thing. let's look for the simplest explanation. there is a desire to manipulate sentiment in this country because of racism. why doesn't it stick to them? because there is a great sea of white supremacy, unconscious bigotry and just plain old racism that exists every day where we know that people don't find him at fault. they don't find him problematic.
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of course there are good people on both sides. why are they attacking the president? he's simply sticking to the facts. it's simply not the case. and it amazes me that they can never acknowledge a spade as a spade, so to speak. can never acknowledge when we have a clear example of something that has gone awry and that is offensive can never just say, yep, this was wrong. >> he said this was a mistake. >> in this particular instance, absolutely. >> let me respond, chris, to the professor. >> please. >> racism is an ugly thing. i think the professor and i both agree with that. it's a terrible, ugly thing. it has no place in our politics. what i find often is the things the president says and have done or in this case donald jr. has done is offensive. but you know i look at the way race is used on both sides, i think elizabeth warren's little game that she played with being a native american to promote her own career, to promote her
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political narrative, that was using race in a different way and that was equally offensive. the professor is right, using race is a bad thing when you're trying to hurt someone else and gain politically, but it works both ways. >> but here's this, this false equivalency. a feather is not an anvil. there's no doubt it's offensive what happened with elizabeth warren, but that compares to the cons assistant re theme that is reoccurring in republican right wing circles. you're right that on both sides there are offenses, but they are not equal, my friend. when we look at the balance of at the end of the day, we know there are so many people invested in the kind of race denial, a refusal to acknowledge what's before us. and when you said before, identity politics, as if white men are not the biggest arbiters of identity politics in america. and here's the greatest manifestation of it, to deny you have it. whiteness is to deny that whiteness exists. >> oh, please. professor?
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really? is this really where we're going to go here. >> -- is to deny the politics of identity have been coming from the very beginning. thomas jefferson, abraham lincoln -- those are identity politics as well. >> professor, professor, this racist lounge act that you do -- >> don't be condescending -- stick to the argument, sir. >> hold on. hold on. fellas, don't talk over each other. >> and i haven't heard you call someone a racist. you haven't called me a racist yet. i'm waiting for that. >> you want him to call him that, and say look what he did and play to the fringe right. which you shouldn't do either. >> that's what he always does. >> you will never hear anybody on this show insult you openly on this show. don't call what the professor is putting out there a lounge act. you can counter it, you can say it's hogwash, but try to keep -- we don't disparage here. and i got to tell you, i was going to celebrate both of you guys for having a pretty reasoned debate. he's my last question for you, patrick. broad brush.
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listen, i'm using a sprayer and a roller half the time to get anything that is acceptable to an audience that wants to be running in different directions. here's my question for you, i agree, again, with your central premise, this president can run this race down the middle on his achievements if he so chooses. why this dance with the right? >> he should. >> and i don't mean it episodically. it keeps bubbling up and i don't know why he thinks he needs them. is steve bannon still calling him and saying, don't abandon those people out there on the way right. you need them. why? why have anything like this in his midst? >> i like your steve bannon impression, by the way. listen, i don't know the answer to that, chris. i think it's offensive to many, many white people when we get down into this awful racism stuff. it doesn't help anybody. it depresses people from coming out and voting. so at the end of the day, the american people are going to figure this out, but what's incredible is that so far this behavior hasn't seemed to stick to trump. >> but you know what? i don't like -- i don't like the
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argument, patrick. i'll tell you why. it's not mystifying. it's depressing -- >> it's predictable and depressing. >> it's predictable and depressing, and i'll tell you why it is. because there are some people -- and i only believe it's some. michael eric would destroy me on this any night, but this is my feeling, some of his supporters, caught onto these types of beliefs. >> probably true. >> and the majority of the president's supporters don't care about what he says and does. that's why it doesn't stick to him. >> right. >> because we've reached a point of disaffection, and on the right there is a complicity in saying, look, i'm getting the judges, i've got my tax cut, he says ugly things, he does ugly things, i expect nothing better from any politician, that's a tough spot for us to be in. that's why i say no open insults on each other, attack the arguments. i've got to jump, professor. michael, you're very smart --
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how much do you think you're going to get. >> lbj, pick your pockets. that's what we see going on in the masses of many white societies in this country. >> well, it should stop because we're better than that. patrick griffin, thank you for making the arguments. >> thank you, chris. >> i don't want to say it on this show, why, you get enough of it. we'll get into it. we'll get hot especially when i'm one-on-one with somebody. i think the testing is helpful, but you got -- we can't be. insulting each other. you got to think about your ideas, talk about where you don't agree, you have to find a way forward. now, speaking of that, what a doozy of a trip this was to the far east. you talk about low expectations and yet still being disappointed. who made more headlines here at the g20, the president or his daughter? this is not about media. this is about matter of fact. ivanka crossed all kinds of lines according to the biographer who's already written a book on what she means in this
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no matter how you want to define the new normal, this that we saw this weekend, no good. you're supposed to see the president on the world stage. but to just have his daughter, and i'm not attacking her, i'm sure she's a great, smart business person, but sympathize not a diplomat and she has no business being at the g20. and if she wasn't at her father's side, she was rubbing elbows with foreign leaders. and there's a video all over the internet that they seemed to be discomforted, uncomfortable with their presence. she even overshadowed the secretary of state, mike pompeo. he struggled to find a place in a group photo. she had to step aside. doesn't work. no foreign policy experience and she's able to go where most americans can't because she has this family situation where it does not belong. nepotism, okay? and it's a problem.
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let's bring in vicky ward, best-selling author of "kushner inc.." let's bring her in now. this is no disrespect to her. she has no business being there and this president needs the best around him. >> right. well, i think it's really dangerous, chris, because basically what this weekend has done is send a signal to leaders around the world that the american president can be manipulated through his family and that is incredibly dangerous, particularly when those family members, ivanka and her husband jared, have not passed senate confirmation hearings. they were not, you know, intelligence experts didn't even think they should have a security clearance because of their conflicts of interest. you know, i was reading again today the transcript of the remarks of formformer secretary state rex tillerson gave to
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congress last week, where he talked about the need to have one foreign policy, the need for the secretary of state or the special envoys to be the ones who negotiated with outside leaders to be effective and how dangerous it was to have, in his particular testimony he talked about jared kushner, but how dangerous for this country it is to have jared or ivanka, who are unqualified and inexperienced being channels to their father for negotiators who can manipulate them. >> you don't know what the priorities are. and, again, i'm not painting with the brush of anything felonious or anything like that. however, the ethical standard is supposed to be semblance of impropriety. you don't do anything that someone might think is wrong, and yet, you have ivanka cutting deals with her business that supposedly she's removed from in china during a trade battle. we heard from tillerson about what he thought was going on with kushner and who he was meeting with behind his back. and why it was somehow always
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business related to kushner's business. it just sends the wrong signal. >> it completely sends the wrong signal. and i have to say that, you know, the people who wrote the -- let's not be too hard on ivanka because this -- she does, after all, talk up women's empowerment. >> she does. >> but, really, chris, you have to think how empowered does she look as a woman to be standing there in a position like that simply because she is somebody's daughter? that is not a very feminist message. in fact, it's the absolute opposite, and i think this weekend she has managed to undermine her -- the president's cabinet, the secretary of state and the national security. it's really troubling. >> do you believe that the deeper you go the more problematic it is, or does it end for you with, look, he's my father, he wants me there, this is an opportunity that we would have never had, so my husband and i, that's why we're there, or do you still believe because
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of the reporting and what you continue to learn that there is more of an agenda at play? >> no, i think this whole what we see again and again in plain sight is, you know, a white house that is a family real estate business. and, you know, the reporting in my book was really all about the deal-making that was going on behind rex tillerson's back in the middle east, in real time. there's a line in my book that i was surprised people didn't pick up on. the february -- the first february of this administration a man called sheik hbj is his nickname from qatar went to see president trump at mar-a-lago. they had a private meeting. this was in february 2017. he went back to the middle east. he said basically, this white house is open for business. and every time the president uses his family, you know, we all know that the trump -- a
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family real estate business. it sends the signal to the rest of the world that the american presidency is for sale. >> and also, look, an important point for people is, i'm not accusing ivanka, i'm not accusing jared, but you don't have to. the standard is if it looks bad, it is bad. that's what's been violated and it's going to create concerns and we're going to hear them now. vicky ward, always a pleasure. to be continued dot, dot, dot. so. another story for you. barely old enough to drive. learner's permit, but, man, did you see what she did at wimbledon? who is this new young star? the star that she took on, what it means to her and to history. wow story. next. like a lot of women i have very sparse eyebrows, so celebrity makeup artist sir john is here to help. becca, thinning or sparse brows are very common and that's why l'oreal paris created unbelieva-brow longwear brow gel. it's easy to fill in and thicken your brows.
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big stage and at that age, a young woman beats venus wimbledon -- that's what they should call her, venus williams.
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>> standing ovation. >> wow. cori "coco" gauff shook hands with the superstar, telling venus is was the williams' sisters who first inspired her to pick up a racket. this kid is the youngest player to qualify for wimbledon in the modern era. let's bring in laura coates. there's so much about this story that i love. and i loved hearing her talk about what it was like to take on her hero. >> can you imagine that you took on your hero. you were able to beat her on the wimbledon court. think about that. this is somebody who said she idolized this woman. >> and i misspoke calling her venus wimbledon. but in truth, she owned that stage. we were just checking on this. i marvel at the age that she's 15 and able to put it together like that. but her role model, venus went pro at 14. i think she won the australian
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open at, like, 18. it's amazing to achieve huge things like that on that stage at that age. >> i mean, i got to recheck my life choices. when i was 15 years old, chris, i wasn't winning wimbledon. i wasn't on the stage with my heros. what i loved about her is she actually said, you know what, looking at the court, and said, the lines are the same and having to calm herself down every single time, she's adorable. bout you know what? i don't want to, like, pat her on the head. she needs to be reckoned with. she's a force now. venus williams you took down? wow. >> she's the real deal and she's got so much time to develop. you know, i mean, look, they make it young in tennis. you do see these people come up, especially on the woman's side, they're very young in the teeth, but now with the new training and the new coaching, who knows where she could be in ten years from now. she could be like serena williams, in terms of staying with her role models. nobody has changed a sport in my
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lifetime the way that serena changed women's tennis. >> i loved her composure. i loved that she was gracious enough to say, look, i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you. i mean, that, that's a class act. winner already. >> it was great. we saw it with serena too. it matters to me that she's african-american. i think it's amazing to see the growth of the sport and to see that all the sacrifice of the williams early on paid off. that they did inspire kids and, yes, african-american kids to get into the sport that they love so well. >> and i remember, i mean, for a time -- they are stars now, but they had a very hard time. people judged their bodies. judged them because they were black women. judged their hair and physique. their game. here you have who i idolize as a child as well. it speaks volumes and i'm proud to see this young woman in all of them. >> very impressive. all the way across the board. already. counselor, i'll see you in a
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second. >> see you soon. >> laura coates is in for d. lemon tonight. that's called an upgrade. all right. so some prize. but we've also got to make the right point. the lawmakers going down to the border, bravo for them. however, let's keep it straight with what they knew and let's keep it straight what they need to do. the argument next. behr presents: tough as walls. that's some great paint. ♪ that's some great paint. behr. ranked #1 in customer satisfaction with interior paints. right now get incredible savings on behr. exclusively at the home depot. it's a revolution in sleep. the sleep number 360 smart bed is on sale now during our lowest prices of the season. it senses your movement, and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. it even helps with this. so you wake up ready to hit the ground running. don't miss our 4th of july special with the queen sleep number 360 c4 smart bed now $1299.
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objectively, we should applaud the congressional hispanic caucus for leading a delegation to the border today. they did their job. they toured the facilities and they were horrified. >> one of the women said that she was told by an agent to drink water out of the toilet. >> i will never forget the image of being in a cell and seeing 15 women tears coming down their faces. >> there were times when i
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walked through these facilities and i was engaged, and there were times where i walked through this facility and i was brought to my knees in tears. >> the key is they keep saying, you know, i can't believe it's like this and they get emotional. listen. >> they were drinking water out of the toilet. and that was them knowing a congressional visit was coming. that was this is on their best behavior. telling people to drink out of the toilet. >> first, this is also congress on their best behavior. cbp denies that people are drinking from toilets. it's going to be investigated. we'll find out what the real situation is and expose it. here's my argument. why is congress acting surprised? i'm glad they're upset. everybody should be. for months because they were told what they needed to know months ago. the customs and border commissioner and acting dhs secretary now has testified to congress six times this year.
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now, now they want to own reality. great. i'm not going to do a shame campaign. what happens next? yes, they finally agree to send more than $4 billion. there are fundamental rules and practices, however, that are still in place and that are more a part of the problem than they are of the solution. so what are we going to do? how they will engage the triangle countries and mexico in a way that improves situations there so there is less need to risk so much here? this administration is cutting funding. what are they going to do about it? all we're hearing, though, is a blame game. that's why i'm calling it out, all right? look, if there's proof of specific abuses by our border men and women, the people protecting us, then we've got to get after that and we have to expose it, but don't demonize them now like you've discussed and now found something new.
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most of the conditions that are bad are out of the their control. finger pointing from right to left is inaccurate and unhelpful. and there's the president. he made his name selling this border problem. be honest. and now his defenders from the political fringe are saying the rest of us are seeing he was right. wrong. he's the president in the fall. >> many criminals in that caravan. >> it's made up of some very tough young people. very tough. criminals in some cases. in many cases. they got a lot of rough people in those caravans. they are not angels. >> that was his message. and you know it. that's why i termed it "the brown menace." then what happens. he keeps being cold it's the kids and the people coming with them. we can't handle it. help us, help us, help us.
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so then he goes from brown menace and add in the humanitarian part. it was new to him, not the rest of us. listen. >> this is a humanitarian crisis. a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul. >> now, he didn't mention the kids the first time. he didn't really talk about the kids that time either. but soul indeed. and yet this president pushed what as a fix? a fence. which clearly wasn't the remedy and he was told that, too. and if that isn't clear to you now, i can't help you. fences help but they were never the fix for this. will we see the president tour the facilities? he went to tour the fence that wasn't being built the way he said it was when he went there. will you hear him talk about the kids and their hardships? not just humanitarian crisis. all right. he's selling fear. these faces, they don't sell fear, but they should fuel your fire.

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