you could find things to relate to in both. >> howdy, neighbor! >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> why don't we sit down. it was a lot of fun to be had and al and peg bundy. >> after fox introduces "married with children," it does very well, then back on abc, they came up with another major hit "roseanne." >> you think this is a magic kingdom where you sit up here on your throne. >> oh, yeah? >> yeah. and you think everything gets done by a wonderful wizard. poof, the laundry's folded. poof, the dinner is on the table. >> you want me to fix dinner? >> you just fixed dinner three years ago. >> typical american families weren't on television for the longest time. the donna reed days, "father knows best," hardly anyone lives like that. that's the way advertisers want you to live. >> i know what will make you feel better. >> i do, too.

>> the ideal situation is if you can subvert whatever is said about families and parentliing. >> what's in this, lead? >> i got you leg irons. >> her loudness and unfilteredness was key to why we liked her. she was staying stuff about working class people. about men and women. it was about marriage and about raising kids and how hard it is. >> great. i'm going to look like a freak. >> that's all. >> what else is new? >> this is why some animals eat their young. >> tv in the '80s was the evolution for comedy and drama. it pushed everything forward. >> you think this generation is paying more attention to the dialogue, to the relationships they see on television, than in years previous. >> people that are watching our shows are. "30 something" and "cheers" and "st. elsewhere."

these are shows that are smartly written. it's their words that define them. and i think that's what people like. >> i love you guys. >> the decade spawned a number of shows that carved out a unique niche for themselves. we began to turn television into an art form. and for the first time, people were proud to say, i write for television. >> until that point, television was second class. in the '80s, television was something new and interesting. >> everyone in the '80s starts to want to tell their stories. that's what changes things. the unexpected was more welcome. >> television has an impact on every era, every decade. >> television shapes the thinking of america like no other element in our country. sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

>> it gave rise to people pursuing artistic content in the way that's raised the bar in television protection exponentially. >> there's a shift in the '80s from wanting to placate the audience to please and challenge the audience. >> we had one hell of a run, didn't we, partner? >> we sure did, sonny. >> i'm going to miss you, man. >> i'm going to miss you, too, sonny. >> give you a ride to the airport? >> why not?

four of the biggest moneymaking films of recent times have come from two, young, gifted filmmakers, george lucas and steven spielberg. they're friends, as well. it's inevitable that these two would join talents. they have an adventure film to be released this week. >> george says, i have something called "raiders of the lost ark" an idea i have for a movie. he told me about this archaeologist with the hat and the whip. on the story hi told me. based - and he and larry george and i made up the story from beginning to end. >> there's a line in "raiders" that means a lot to me. just buried in the middle of a

big action sequence. they've lost control of ark of the covenant. and indy says, i'm going to get it back. and he says, how are you going to do it? >> i don't know. i'm making this up as i go. that's what life was like. we just make it up as we go. and indiana jones is very good at that. >> we came up with an idea, like a truck chase. and we figure, how do we get the truck chase in the movie? we had big subjects. and then, we reverse engineered for it to earn its place in the story. >> spielberg is the master of staging. when they're moving very fast and cutting very quickly, you always know the lay of the land. >> he can create suspense out of

details, big and spamall. there's something that the audience can see but the characters can't see. not only is indy going to get beaten to death by this enormous nazi, but also, the whole thing might blow up. you wonder why your blood gets up when you watch them. it's craftsmanship and art. >> everybody in this town is talking about their latest film, e.t. i was there as noon, and there were thousands of people waiting to get in. >> the wait is hours long in chicago. days long in los angeles. >> "e.t." is the biggest moneymaker ever. >> i had a story how the divorce was affecting me with me and my three sisters. i wrote about an alien who is divorced from his own species

and is lost 3 million light years from home. >> i don't like his feet. >> can you imagine if that film didn't have those kids. henry thomas, drew barrymore, robert m'naghten, that's the secret sauce to that movie. >> all of the kids had fallen in love with e.t. and i would like to say the e.t. had fallen in love with them. >> be good. >> yes. >> steven spielberg, they are small stories told against a giants canvas. 6. >> they're here. >> in the 1980s, i felt like i was speaking to myself, loving escapism. "poltergeist" was all of the things that scared me. i had a tree that would scare

the hell out of me. and i had kids on one final adventure, in "the goonies," and the riches to save their parents' homes. and gremlins running around and tearing things up. loving stories that were bizarre. >> everybody has dreams and thoughts back in time somewhere. and he put it together. >> you built a time machine out of a delorean? >> if you're going to build a time machine out of a car, do it in style. >> it was a mystery when it came out. but what the real mystery is that it endured for decades. >> saturday night, we're sending you back to the future. >> a simple idea, on what would it be like to see your parents

when they were younger, is something that obviously is multigenerational. >> you smoke, too? >> you're beginning to sound just like my mother. >> the only thing that's weird about the story, is it's a boy going back in time and meeting his mother, and she falls in love with the son she hasn't had. >> that's a big bruise you have there. but they pulled it off. >> i was exhausted at the end of "back to the future." and then, he makes "who framed roger robert." it's like "back to the future" and he tripled it. there's a scene when donald duck and daffy duck are having a piano duel. and penguins are serving drinks. if you look at the making of that individual scene, it's

utter chaos. there's real actors pretending to be drinking. there's trays on these iron rods. >> that was a hard movie. that was ignorance is bliss category that movie should fall into. that's a movie no sane person would attempt to make. >> i love playing villains. i was a kid, for the first walt disney film came out, there are dark moments in each of those that scare the hell out of me. so, it's payback. >> when i killed your brother, i talked. >> i got some moments in there, that will be in their worst nightmares for the rest of their lives. >> the trick to making that blend of live action and animation, is that the live action actor has to believe it. bob always believed that the rabbit was there. it's really an amazing

performance. it's one that actors should study. >> it was made before cgi existed. it was old-school movie mmaking with physical effects. "who framed roger rabbit" is the most complex movie ever made. >> don't tell me you laost your sense of humor already. >> does this answer your question?