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put it to organ music. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: jeannie most,ge je new york. >> i don't want to know the end of that contest. good evening on the 50th on verse anniversary, members of the house of representatives condemned a president of the united states for racism specifically president trump for his recent twitter attacks on four non-white congresswoman. just to refresh your memory, he told them to go back to their home countries, even though three are from this country and the fourth is a naturalized american citizen like first lady melania trump is and his wife, as well. 50 years ago, the first human being set foot on another body and 50 years after that, pioneering american accomplishment for all humanity this. one giant leap for man kind.
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only four republicans broke ranks and supported the resolution. in the meantime, whatever efforts most republicans or the white house are making to change the subject to pivot in washington speak, they are not getting much help from the president himself or frankly from one of his key advisors kellyanne conway. here is what the president tweeted this morning. those tweets were not racist he wrote. i don't have a racist bone in my body. the so-called vote to be taken is a democrat conconn game. the president may know a lot about conn games but it's not clear how in touch with his body he is. the man without a racist bone in his body allegedly again told the four non-white congresswomen, three of whom were born in america to leave. >> mr. president, the democratic congresswomen should leave if they are not happy, where should they go? >> it's up to them. go wherever they want or they can stay, but they should love our country. they shouldn't hate our country. if you look at what they have
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said, i have clips right here, the most vile, horrible statements about our country, about israel, about others. it's up to them. they can do what they want. they can leave, they can stay. but they should love our country and they should work for the good of our country. >> so those are two of the administration's three fall backs. the president called them socialist or communist and you heard the other two, america love it or leave it in itself has an ugly history and i'm not a racist but you are all anti semimites and to be fair, one of congresswomen omar apologized earlier this year for accusing israel wielding too much power in washington and suggesting jewish americans have dual loyalty. her exact words, i want to talk about the political influence that says it's okay for people to push to allegiance to a foreign country. that said, the president has a long history of conflicting any
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criticism of israel and presuming after he did after the tree of life massacre that israel's ambassador speaks for all jewish americans. in any case, if he's truly trying to make this about anti-semitism. perhaps it's not a good idea for his advisor to have a conversation with feinberg. >> if the president was not telling the congresswoman to return to their supposed countries of origin, which countries is he referring? >> which ethnicity? >> their home. >> because i'm asking you a question. my ancestors are from ireland and italy. >> your answer is natural vent to the question -- >> it is. you're asking -- he said originally. originally from. >> i am asking -- >> you know everything he's said since to have a full conversation -- >> are you saying that the president was telling the
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palestinian -- >> the president already commented on that. >> to go back to the occupied territory. >> the president has already commented on that and said a lot about this. he put out a lot of tweets and made himself available to all of you yesterday. >> he's not. >> he has. he's tired, a lot of us are sick and tired of this country, of america coming last and to people that swore an oath of office and sick and tired of ore military being denigrated and customs border patrol people who are overwhelmingly hispanic by the way. >> kellyanne conway asking a reporter his ethnicity. why she would do that, who knows? the reporter has since tweeted quote i don't think she was being antis-semitic and she tweeted quote, this was meant with no disrespect. we are all from somewhere else originally. i asked the question to answer the question and volume tired my
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ethnicity, ireland and ire riis. like many, i am proud of my ethnicity, love and usa and grateful to god to be an american. if she wanted to clear up the tweet, i would love to hear from you. we're all from somewhere originally ask asked the question to answer the question. i honestly have no idea what that means. if you're looking for more clues to her intent at the same press event she said the four congresswomen of color represent and i'm quoting a very dark element in this country unquote with which she said she's sick of and this morning on fox news she said something similar, listen. >> we are tired, sick and tired of many people in this country, forget these four. they represent a dark under belly in this country of people who are not respecting our troops. are not giving them the resources and respect they deserve. >> not just these four women of color, they represent a dark under belly in kellyanne conw
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conway's and somehow brought in the troops and how they are being disrespected and underfunded by the dark under belly. has the president ever told bernie sanders who is a critic to go back where he came from? no. he hasn't. a lot to talk about right now to republicans joining us with their take but joining us now is sheila jackson lee. congresswoman jack soson lee, y voted yes on this resolution condemning the president's co ' comments. when the president says he doesn't have a racist bone in his body, you know, i always wonder how anybody can say that. we all have biases. we all have things we need to work on. what do you make of what is going on right now? >> anderson, i'm hoping by the 400, 240-person vote today that
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there is some sense of calmness and harmony brought to the american people and to the united states congress. it was a bipartisan vote and it rejects really the president's own interpretation of himself and the distortion that he is given to america's values. and it takes away the distraction that he always seems to want to put in play. i don't know whether he wants to call himself racist or whether he has a racist bone but his words and many of us know that words can be inciting and they can provoke war over peace. how do you say that a federal judge of his panic background is a mexican and cannot be fair? how can you say that five boys vindicated in new york for a crime they did not do are either still guilty or be part of a hanging crowd that puts a "new
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york times" ad that says execute them? or how do you talk about s-hole countries? i think the president has to have to look inward and that's why this resolution hres 489 and the res i put in captures his words but it also captures the essence of the goodness of america. so mr. president, let me just say, i don't know what the definition of racism is but i do know that your words, your words that you have offered to the american people are racist. >> you said this was a bipartisan vote. the truth is only four of your republican colleagues supported it. >> well, i think we had four and one independent. that's a good number because obviously, my good friends unfortunately rather than seeking to bring us together, they chose to walk in the drum beat of president trump, and that's unfortunate but i will
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never give up on reaching out for them to have a better understanding that the nation should be promoted over the wishes of the president. >> you know, the word demagogue is a word we used last night and basically means somebody, for viewers that don't know, somebody that uses other people's prejudices or biases for political purpose and it seems like whatever is in the president's head or in his heart, he is -- i mean, he is playing with very dangerous themes, very, you know, raw dangerous themes that have, you know, a terrible history in this country and there is a real danger to this. i mean, then to categorize it as this dark element and they don't want to support the military and they are sending messages to the military that it's only the white house and the republican whose are supporting them and funding them, does it worry you that these are deep waters here. >> interestingly enough, anderson, as i was coming here,
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i heard some commentary about the fear of an individual who said the next step is violence. we must not suffer violence. when i spoke on the floor today, i indicated when my colleague said why are we doing this? we could be voting on education bills or infrastructure bills. i said dr. king said why we can't wait. we cannot wait to stifle out the violence and it is a concern and the reason it's concerning, we know the era of germany in the 1930s and we know how the history significauggests indivi that felt they were left out were provoked by those who want to use that for their any oown advantage. the president has one distraction at the border where he thought immigration would be his selling ticket for victory in 2020. now he sees the american people are appalled at the way children are being treated and plain human beings are being treated at the border and he is not any more successful in that narrative as he was with the border wall. so what else does he do?
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he begins to characterize four women that are as patriotic as others and love the country because they have backgrounds that would suggestiignificant s is a place to work with and make things better. how would he characterize them as hating the military? absurd. it's a distraction and narrative, the same one for the birther movement for president obama. it has to be good people have to stand up and though dr. king is no longer with us and peacemakers that worked through the various moments of this nation, it's our responsibility and that's why we took that vote 240 members of congress, i wish there were more on the other side of the aisle but we made a statement on behalf of the american people. >> thank you. a live report how this played out behind the scenes and dramatically at times on the floor. later, my conversation with a man you probably know from the impeachment commercials tom
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we're talking about a vote, the first to condemn a president with racist tweets out outset we're interested how many republicans would vote for it. in the end four did. two from swing states, two from red, one african american, one independent and former republican voting, yes, he voted coming up shortly how some republican women voters see all of this but first, cnn phil mattingly joins us from the capit capitol. four republicans voted for the resolution. is it a surprise it was that small or a surprise that four actually did? >> it's interesting, over the course of yesterday, you saw at least a scattered number of republicans rebuke the president, ask him to pull back his tweets and say the tweet, ask him four democratic members to go home was wrong. that shifted today, this morning. the president tweeting that all republicans should line up against the resolution of
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condemnation. house republican leadership showing a united front behind the president and i'm told behind the scenes house republican leaders made clear to their rank and file they should support the president. they called the resolution a distraction. they said it was a personal attack on the president and what we saw over the course of the day is what we've seen repeatedly over the course of the last two and a half years. when issues become partisan and democrat versus republican, republicans line up behind president trump going into the vote, i was told five at most, maybe as few as three ended up with four and one independent and regardless of the tweets, public comments or doubling down, the republican party is the party of president trump and republicans will line up behind him every time. >> phil mattingly, thank you. the many questions asked, what does this mean for the republican party? former republican national committee chief of staff and amanda carpenter who served for
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ted cruz. mike, what does it say that four republicans voted to condemn the president? >> i think that it says that most of them didn't and i think that they saw what kevin mccarthy said today, this is about politics. they want to condemn things they think are racism in the caucus and i think this is where we are. this is the partisan place we are. the democratic party is now essentially -- we don't like who donald trump is a person is party. they have -- one control of the house, they have no real agenda. their candidates in the primaries tried to talk about policies. here comes the quote and nancy pelosi to bring us back to let's hate on trump every day. that's what is filtering down to the american people and so, what it says to republicans is that this is all politics and that the country doesn't care. they wanted to do something to make their lives better. >> amanda, is that what it says to the country? >> i think it says something different. listen, i understand washington. i worked there and how party
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politics work and everybody holds hands and jumps together on tough votes but what about just normal people? i know that if i were in a supermarket or on my children's playground or in my church and somebody came in and pointed at some minority and said get out of here and go back to your country, i know where i would stand. and it wouldn't be with the person who said that horrible thing. or tell them to get out and say it's time to leave, sir. we can't tell the president to leave, fully understand that. the resolution isn't going to make him leave. the only thing that will make him change is when he is threatened by political power and republicans have lined up behind him. it's really hard to windchiatch of people turn into monsters defending this guy. it's fine for the democrats that realize resolution isn't going to do anything. every time he says one of these horrible racist things, there should be a nationwide petition drive for every person that commits to registering ten new voters.
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that's the only way that i can think to tame him and it's the only thing that could possibly discipline these people who keep falling in line. >> mike, i mean, you say that this -- that republicans interpret this as all about politics. kellyanne conway is saying that there is this dark element, wide spread is not just these four and that they hate the troops and that they are trying to defunnd defund the troops, isn't that just pure politics? there is no -- i don't know where she is pivoting to this. >> look, let me be clear. i don't think the president should have tweeted what he tweeted. i think it's wrong and i don't think it's the right thing to do and i'm glad he clarified that today and sort of said people that don't like the country he's trying to cast it as that and kellyanne was trying to get to that conversation. there is a cultural conversation going on now. we have people kneeling during the national anthem and directed a mexican flag over an i.c.e. facility.
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there are conservatives that think america is great and needs to be better and there are people on the left that think america is as a sum bad. michelle obama said the first time i've been proud of my country is when barack obama got elected and people on the left that culturally believe that. they want to change what america is and people on the right want to make america better. that's a cultural clash. that's the conversation the president is trying to have. the squad wants to have the same conversation, as well. that's the real political conversation going on here. >> i guess it's hard to watch every day now because of donald trump we're debating whether he's a racist. i think it's pretty clear he is. and when we're talking about -- >> i don't agree with that, by the way. >> that's fine. i'm not going to debate you on it. i know what he says. i know how he acts. i know when i go into a parking lot and very red places in america and there is a trump sticker on the back of a truck in a minority walks by and sees it and takes a step back, that is the connotation that donald
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trump has in america. so if you want to talk about the trickle down effect and the culture wars, there is people who are scared and there is no debating whether he's a racist. they don't care what you think. they know what they know. i know what i know. i know where i would stand if someone in my regular life said the things he said and it would never be with him. >> mike, you know, as somebody -- you've worked for the republican party and love -- this is something you donated your life to, do you believe donald trump is a demagogue, that he is basically, whether he believes this stuff or not, whatever is in his head or heart that he is using people's, you know, biases or their deep held prejudices or fears and playing on that to maintain power? that is the definition of a demagogue. >> yeah, two things. first of all, i think the president regardless of your race or background loves you if you agree with him and i think the president regardless of your
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race or background -- >> he does seem to be able to go after -- he does seem to be able to go after people of color with a particular enthusiasm. i mean, it's calling after condition american football players sons of bitches and people in nigeria live in huts and come from s-hole countries and have aids. he does have a particular zest for going after people he perceives as different or weaker in someway. >> and yet, there are people of color that are his supporters he holds up and praises and talks about all the time. >> sure -- >> opportunity and what really matters to him is what it is. barack obama was a demagogue. i believe nancy pelosi is a demagogue. where we are in the polarized politics, the country is leading us to a place this is the rhetoric we have and both sides are playing into it. we saw the house floor voting on this is a demagogue thing, too.
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the fear amachine nda is talkin about, they stoke it. >> appreciate it. thank you. still to come, why president trump seemingly cannot quit attacking those four female lawmakers and the reaction to the racist attacks from some female members of his base.
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what's going on at the white house and capitol hill is not the only part of the story. next year voters will have their say so we're curious if the president's base is behind them and did they object to the racist attack on four female lawmakers or is it all politics? 360 randi kaye spoke with some of them in dallas. >> how many of you don't think what the president said was racist, raise your hand? these eight republican women from dallas don't see anything wrong with president trump telling four democratic congress wop to go back to where they came from. >> he said if they hate america so much because what we're seeing out of them and hearing out of them, they hate america. if it's so bad, there is allt of
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places they can go. >> i'm a browned skin woman, i am a legal immigrant. i agree with him. >> you don't think that's racist -- >> not at all. >> i think it's just -- it's a demonstration of how their ideology spills over even though they are american now, so to speak, they are not acting american. >> i'm glad that the president said what he said because all they are doing is they are -- they are inciting hatred and division and that's not what our country is about. it's not about that at all -- >> isn't that what the president does with some of his own comments, his own racist comments? >> he didn't say anything about color. >> we know the president is not racist. he loves people from hispanics to black people, all across the board. >> let me share with you the definition of racism from marc marianne webster dictionary. racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a
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particular race. based on that definition, do you not think what the president is saying -- >> he dated a black woman for two years. two of his wives are immigrants. he is not a racist. >> if the first black billionaire is endorsing president trump, how can you call him racist? >> these congresswomen that said they ran for congress, ran for office because they explicitly love this country, you're saying that's a lie? >> so they say. >> yes. >> you're saying they hate this country? >> yes. >> it's claiming they are very manipulative to accuse instead of extracting the truth. >> it's a tactic. >> when you say don't you think he's racist? you're accusing us and him. >> i'm asking. i'm not accusing. i'm asking you what you think. >> okay. it's natural veot relevant. it has nothing to do with the premises of the issues. >> the color -- >> why do you keep bringing it up? >> do you thing it's a
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coincidence these four congresswomen the president is going after, none of them are white? >> the ideology. >> i don't think it matters. it's idiot i can what they are saying. it doesn't matter if they are white, man, woman, brown, yellow, anything. >> i wish there was a white one that they -- if they aren't racist, how come they haven't befriended one of their white female congresswomen colleagues and let her join -- >> they won't. they don't like white people, come on. they are racist. >> how many of you plan to vote for president trump? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> randi kaye, cnn, dallas. >> wow. perspective from maggie haberman and cnn political analyst and cnn political director david. first of all, i don't know how the last lady knows who they are friends with and not, the idea they have no white friends seems odd to me she would project that on to them. david, the president going out
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of his way to make these four liberal progressive congresswomen in the face of the democratic party clearly become the face of the democratic party from what we saw on randy's piece, that strategy, if that is actually part of a strategy or just, you know, part of the add on effect of his going after them, it certainly seems to be having success with, you know, the women of that room. >> no doubt about that and we should also mention, anderson, this is a trade and true tactic from previous presidents of both parties to take in terms of trying to create boogie men or women, used to be teddy kennedy and hillary clinton that republicans -- or newt gingrich's conservatives would be used and held up. it was policy based and ideological differences. that's what the scare tactic was, if you will, for political currency. what donald trump is doing that is different here is he's doing it all as those tweets indicated
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based on race and gender and religion, not about policy. now i know he's trying to correct that in the days after his team is trying to spin that in a way in the days after but that tweet, that -- what he was doing there was not based on policy at all. that's what made this -- as you said, if this really was political strategy, different this time around. >> this isn't really any different than when irish immigrants were here fleeing the famine and they weren't allowed into restaurants. they weren't given jobs. they were told to go home then a wave -- italian immigrants came and they were told to go back to their home and they weren't loyal. catholics were told -- my dad grew up in mississippi believing that a cat lick holic in his neighborhood had a secret tunnel to go to the vatican to have secret instructions from the
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hope. we have a history of other rising people and that's what the president is playing on. >> sure. this is a president that grew up in a certain moment of time in new york city where every politician in new york city in the '70s and '80s used race in someway or another and it worked. that's how donald trump learned what he knows that is not a defense by any stretch of the imagination but a tactic. i don't think it's a strategy. strategy implies he's got drawn out plan that he kind of stumbles into these things after he reacts and finds a way why they can be good for him. there say long history of others in this country, three of these women are -- were born here. one was not. telling three women -- i mean, i still have to come back to the reality of him trying to say over several days he wasn't saying that. we've heard donald trump and his aids say for four years when he says something that's controversial and he we'vaves
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himself in and out. he's saying what we all said, he repeated it repeatedly and tried to turn it into socialism. the difference here is the president of the united states saying it this way. i don't really recall anything certainly not since world war ii of a president of the united states saying go back to your country. >> david, when you're in a bar and some drunk person is yelling at somebody else saying go back to where you came from, you know, you can address that person, you can walk away, you can just throw your hands up and say this is some drunk idiot when somebody, you know, rolls down a window and screams at somebody on the street, go back to where you came from but this is the freaking president of the united states. i just find it so depressing we're sitting here actually just like politely discussing the president of the united states telling americans, naturalized or, you know, the majority of the case of these four actual born here native born americans and you know what? naturalized americans are just
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as american telling them to go home. i mean it's just depressing. i don't care if it's politics. i don't -- you know, whatever it is, i just think it is a really, really depressing time. >> totally agree with you. it is depressing. that's why it is so important as we discuss this, that we do separate out the president's behavior here has nothing -- it's not partisan. it's not politics. that racism deserves its own attention of what it is and it is not in a bar. you're right. but of course, that should not surprise us because donald trump has not treated the office of the presidency as someplace to behave differently than he did as a private citizen, never. that has not been the case. he's taken how he's behaved as a private citizen into the oval office seeing no reason it shouldn't exist in that context, as well. but to insert what he's doing into the typical sort of back and forth cable news partisan
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lens i think misses the point of this moment entirely. >> this goes much deeper and these are fault lines in america and american culture in history. they are dangerous to pry open deeper and deeper and for kellyanne conway that campaigned against him before she was with him to say they are against the military, they don't support the military, again, it's just really depressing. maggie haberman, thank you. david. just ahead, my one on one with time sty om steyer, the bie running for president and why he thinks he's the one to beat donald trump. guys - i've got an idea. ooh - what is it? so people love iphone xr, right? well, it does have an incredible camera. and it comes in all those amazing colors. uh-huh. what if we give the people iphone xr when they join t-mobile? iphone xr on us? yeah. iphone xr on us. what's not to love about that!
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the latest candidate to enter the race is tom steyer. a hedge fund investor most recently he spent millions on impeachment ads against the president but his focus is bigger than that. we began our discussion with the racist remarks president trump first tweeted on sunday. the new tweets from the president, i hate to start with this but you see them as racist. do they surprise you at all? >> look, they are of usually racist and he's obviously going after some of the most progressive important leaders in the democratic party but this is what this president does is creates a fuss and confrontation. he in effect has a big circus
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going so people don't pay a lot of attention to his failed policies. that's what he does. he tries to get attention away from what actually matters to him and his bluster and his r e racism. >> do you know how to run against him? there was 16 republicans in 2016 who thought they knew they were against him and didn't. >> listen, donald trump is a failed businessman. if you look, he has a path of bankrupt casinos and bankrupt businesses that he's left. he's following the exact same strategy in the united states of america. for 27 years, 30 years, i was in the private sector very successfully building a very small investment business into a very large investment business. >> if you're running against him, do you go tweet for tweet or ignore. >> there are two things you need to do it. it can't be about him.
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the question for the american people is what the is the vision of what we can do going together forward? we have a broken government. it's basically corrupted by corporate cash. how do we return power to the people? everybody -- that's actually the question in front of us, anderson. >> but you -- so far, the question that has brought you into most people's consciousness lately has been the impeachment question, which is what you put a lot of money behind running ads for and brought you into headlines. you're saying you're running on more than just getting rid of donald trump? >> absolutely. look, the question for the american people is not donald trump. the question for the american people is what do we do to get this country back on track to retake our government? actually for the last ten years, anderson, what i've been doing as an outsider is trying to get power back to the people directly in every way i can. i mean, i've run propositions across the united states where you go around the legislature
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that is controlled by corporations and go directly to the people and have a vote and i also started the biggest grass roots organization in the united states of america. this is about an outsider taking on and breaking the corporate strangle hold. that's the question in america. >> that is certainly how donald trump positioned himself whether you believe he was a good businessman or not, he was the outside egoigoing to drain the swamp. do you think this stuff works? look, there is a lot of people sitting in a bar might say these people should get out of america if they don't like it, they are not from here, he is echoing something out there. >> he wants to frame this election in the way he wants. what is really important for the american people is something completely different. if you listen to the democrats, you know, you have a series of policies important which health care policy, which green new deal and on.
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the real question, though, is we have a broken government. we can't deal with the basics of what is going on. the question is how do we break that? that's what americans need to know. >> just being elected president, which is obviously a big step, that doesn't unbreak a government. >> we need to go to the people in this election. this is going to be a huge turnout election and a generational change election and the question is what is the vision we'll organized around? the vision has to be in my opinion only two things. we only need two things. we need to break the corporate control of our government. and we need to deal with climate change on day one. >> are you the person, though, to do this? talk about generational change, you know, no disrespect, but you're not the youngest person in the race. you're also not the oldest, certainly. the krcriticism is bernie sande and joe biden. joe biden has been out of the game. you haven't been in the rough and tumble in this way. you're a major funder of
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democrats. >> i respectfully disagree. for the last ten years as an outsider, i have been taking on the corporations and winning. >> bernie sanders said look, let me get the exact quote. he said i'm a bit tired of seeing billionaires try to buy power and elizabeth warren said the same thing. how do you respond to that? is a billionaire what america needs? >> i think the question here is whether or not america needs an outsider. the real question is who will connect with americans and who can actually do what i'm talking about, which is to break this corporate strangle hod. if you look at the four people that are the top candidates in the polls, they are all either senators or former senators. they have been there for a combined over 70 years. so the real question is if you realize this is the point that to get any health care plan, to get any green new deal, to get any of the things that we want, we're going to actually have to break this corporate strangle hold. should you go with an outsider doing it successfully
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head-to-head with corporations or should you go to somebody from washington? >> if you enter the race, you run a tough race, you don't get the nomination, would you -- are you pledging to support whoever the democratic nominee is? >> absolutely. >> support with your time, with your -- >> it's not that. we're the biggest grass roots organization of the united states. we were on 420 college campuses as a number. we knocked on tens of millions of doors. >> you would get all of that behind -- >> i've told the people in the organizations full speed ahead. we're going to do that. there is no question here this is an emergency. one of the big differences, i think we're in an emergency, anderson. that's why i'm running. because i think we have simple things to do but they are hard, we better name them and go after them and do them. and so when someone says why are you running? because i've got four kids. i felt like i cannot sleep unless we deal with this now
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because the other thing that's true is if we solve those things, we are in a great position as a country. we can do all the things we want, we can get health care for everyone, we can get quality public education from prek through college with skills training for life and guarantee clean air and clean water as a right for every american. we can have a living wage for every american. we have -- we're the very rich. people keep acting like we're broke. we can't afford to do anything. we're a failed society. that's absolutely wrong. we can put ourselves by doing those two things in the best position of any people in the history of the world. >> do you pledge to if you don't get the nomination to not run as a third party? >> absolutely not. i'm a democrat. i would never do that. >> so absolutely not you would not run as an independent? >> no, i would never do that. i'm a democrat. i'll support the democrats. >> tom steyer, appreciate your
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is sad news, retired supreme court justice john paul stevens has died following a stroke in ft. lauderdale, florida. i want to check in quickly with chris, no doubt he'll be covering this as well. >> it's hard to argue with a 99 year life. as a reflection of a time gone past for the supreme court, frankly, we are in a hyper
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partisan period. can you believe that only four members of the republican congress would openly condemn what this president said as racist. i got to tell you i'm a little surprised. >> really? >> i believe this is bigger than politics. there is no other way to look at what he said. everybody knows what it's about, especially this president, but we are where wear and we'll show you in the numbers why the republicans are so afraid to acknowledge what everybody knows to be true. >> we'll be looking at that in about six minutes from now. john paul stevens was a true champion of the law. pamela brown has a look back at a remarkable life and career. >> reporter: john paul stevens was a conservative republican when president jerald ford nominated to the supreme court in 1975, but he stepped down more than three decades later as a liberal side of the bench, arguing the court changed, not
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his philosophy. >> it has moved dramatically, that's right. and i guess a radical word may well apply. >> reporter: stevens grew up in his family's chicago hotel and world war ii he analyzed radio signals for the navy before becoming a lawyer, judge, and supreme court justice. he retired at 90 years old, replaced by elena kagan. >> he's probably one of the least known justices publicly. and it's ironic, because he's had a huge impact on society. >> reporter: stevens voted in favor of abortion rights, affirmative action and gay rights. >> when i was clerkds for hing
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17 years later, the supreme court reserved that opinion and said justice stevens was right in his dissent in that case. >> near the end of his tenure in 2008, he strongly opposed the death penalty. >> i firmly believe it's unwise policy, but i think it's a more difficult question as to whether it's a constitutionally permissible punishment. >> reporter: he crafted powerful dissents and citizens united, a lark 2009 campaign finance case, the majority ruled the government could not ban political spending by corporations. in his dissent, he accused the majority of rejecting the common sense of the american people. he also didn't mince words about the 2000 decision that cleared the way for george w. bush's presidency, writing, quote, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. >> what are some of the other areas where the court ruled in a
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way you wish it hadn't? >> do we have just an hour? >> reporter: stevens also disagreed with his liberal colleagues when the court ruled burning an american flag was considered protected free speech. he said, quote, sanctioning the public desecration of the flag will tarnish its value both for those who cherish the ideas for which it waves. >> i don't think anybody who heard him read that dissent, the passion with which he looked at the flag, could think about the flag the same way. whatever you thought about the legal issue. >> reporter: on the bench he was known as a soft-spoken midwesterner. >> extreme gentlemanliness with one of the most acute minds that's ever sat on the court. >> he retired in 2010 receiving a presidential medal of freedom two years later and in 2018,
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after a school shooting in florida, he pinned an op-ed calling for the repeal of the second amendment. he was 97 years old at the time. but john paul stevens' mind and his words were still razor sharp. >> joining us now by phone, joan biskupic. you know the history of the court, let's talk about john paul stevens, his legacy. >> you know, anderson, just what pam said right now about how razor sharp he was, i just talked to him about a month ago. he had just finished his latest book, and he still wanted to be so much a part of the dialogue in america. and i think one thing he did was offer exhibit a to the kind of promise that chief justice john roberts has said, there are no such thing as obama judges or trump judges because -- jerald
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ford in 1975, and he certainly couldn't have been predicted as someone who voted along the republican party lines. he offered such a moderate to liberal-leaning view at the end of his life. he wanted to ensure greater protections for free speech, although he really fought free speech -- he really fought the conservative effort to lift regulation of campaign finance. he continued to argue for gun rights. he opposed the supreme court's ruling, broadening the ability to have gun ownership, rather than regulation. across the board, more than 30 years influencing all areas of american life. >> just an extraordinary legacy. again, the third-longest-serving supreme court justice. joan biskupic, appreciate it. chris will have more on the life
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and legacy of justice stevens, the news continues. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> welcome to "prime time." even condemning racism is a partisan issue these days. only four republicans agreed with what democrats and common sense made clear, that trump's words about the lawmakers he targeted were racist and wrong. only four out of 197 republicans. why? we'll show you why in the poll numbers. how does a republican rationalize seeing something so wrong as right. how about the man who was almost our immigration czar. let's test his argument. as for the dems, was condemning the comments enough? why n are the democrats playing it too safe? we have two democrats to debate the way forward. and mark s