that is his plan to win. we have two house members here from different democratic wings. what do they think they're up against and do they have a winning strategy? let's test it. and, it better not be that people won't buy this president's talk. you hear what happened last night when i asked a trumper and u.s. senate candidate if he would support this president even if trump admitted he was a racist. you know what i got, the silence heard round the world. >> would you still support him as president? >> um -- >> you have to think about that -- >> that would be a tough question -- >> and then he said, depends on who he was running against. look, america, it is time to decide what we are about. what do you say? let's get after it. ♪ the president is all in on all versus them and the crowd in

north carolina loves it. >> so representative omar blamed the united states for the terrorist attacks on our country. omar has a history of launching vicious anti-semitic -- >> send her back, send her back, send her back. >> the president wasn't saying, i didn't mean that. i meant to your home district. that's what i meant. send her back, they were chanting. his message is clear, that's the echo he desires. let's bring in cedric richmond, co-chair of the biden campaign. good to have you back, sir. i want to talk health care, but

the reason this president says, yeah, i got a plan for health care, i'll give it to you after the election is because he ain't going to campaign on health care. he's going to campaign that there's something wrong with the way you look and people like you are a little bit of a danger. and we're a little bit better off when you guys stay where you were before you were here. that's his campaign. he is confident. how do you counter? >> chris, i think there's a book called stranger in their own land, which adequately portrays what trump does and that is he will convince people to vote against their own self-interest by convincing them the reason why they don't like their status in life is that minorities are skipping the line to take benefits that they should have and that government is picking winners and losers and the government are picking black people and brown people and women over them simply because of their minority status. and i think you have to call

them on it. we can't sit here and pretend that people don't fall for it. i see people in louisiana, i see people in mississippi, georgia vote against their self-interest all the time because of their emotions and the fact that the republican leadership has chose to campaign by division and blaming others if you're not happy where you are. >> because it can work. it can work. and here's the trick. we all know that darkness can't drive out darkness. only light can do that. but there's a trick to it. you have to craft a message that's equally compelling in the context of your time.

the fear is real. the president didn't create it. but there's huge populations that are scared and he's playing to that. he's a demagogue. how do you counter, because right now, i know it's kind of early, but you guys are liking fighting about whether or not biden is a racist, or whether or not this policy program is extreme enough or this one, that does not sound like the stuff of victory to me. >> well, that's why you see, we're fighting for the soul of the country. and i think you hear the vice president say that all the time. the difference between the democrats, some of the differences are real. but you heard vice president biden say at his announcement that his number one plan for climate change was to beat donald trump. our number one plan to improve this country is to beat donald

trump. >> but it's how? that's the trick. that's why i wanted to play for you what you're up against. you guys in your party have to figure out how to come together and what that will mean. and i know what usually happens, but i don't know -- >> you do it two ways. one, you call them on the bs, and you do it very directly. and then you talk about what he's -- the heart of what he's trying to get at is everybody's economic status in the country. we have to show people that you don't have to blow out somebody's candle so yours can shine brighter. that means everybody can prosper economically if you show people that plan and i think the vice president has a good plan for that, we can't pit rural against urban -- >> but that is happening in your party a little bit. you have this division. and i want to show you what you're up against. imagine -- because right now who knows how the primary goes. the former vp is up. but there are real divisions in your party. the people who are behind him are nothing like him. look at what the president has in his stable of supporters. >> what would you do if the president said, i am a racist, that's why i said it, what would you do? >> then i would not defend him. because there's no excuse for racism in america. >> would you still support him as president? you have to think about it. you have to think about whether or not you would support a racist? really? >> i'd have to know who was running against him. >> a racist? you're running for senate and you got to take a pause whether

or not if he said he was a racist you'd still support him. come on, brother. that is a level of buy-in that is not easy to come across and you certainly don't have it in your party right now. how do you combat that kind of devotion in a sitting president? how do you hope to beat that? >> i don't think those people are going to change. and my grandmother used to tell me, don't argue with a fool because from a distance you can't tell which is which. we have to let people know that we're fighting for the soul of the country. and i believe there are people in this country that want to see the country unite and prosper than those who want to see the hate and division. you have to go and articulate it. you have to go fight for it and i believe you have to call this president on his bs which vice president biden -- >> you can call him on it.

you have to be better than it and then you have the policy piece also. let me ask you one question about that. the vp says you go with a plan like bernie sanders, you know, i'm paraphrasing, medire is gone, all the medicare you have is gone. that's not true. why is he saying that? >> well, i think what he's really saying if you look at bernie sanders' plan, which is a real plan, but what it would do is, it would eliminate private insurance. >> it wouldn't eliminate medicare, though. it would increase coverage. >> it raises taxes on everybody -- >> it does. that's about cost. not coverage. >> our plan -- and by the way, that plan doesn't come to fruition for four years after you pass it. and what happens in that four years, nobody talks about that. i think the vice president's plan is a real plan to get to universal coverage, 97%, almost from day one. for those people who like their private insurance, they get to keep it. it makes sure that medicare, medicaid is sound and then offers a public option by the way, which would be premium-free in all of those states who are trapped. i think it's a real plan. i think the american people will see it for what it is and

understand that you can't get economic dignity if you can't get affordable health care. >> 100%. and the issue is going to be cost and cost containment. i'm checking you in realtime. if you want to be better than who's there now, one of the things is, you've got to play straight. i'm glad to have you on the show to test it. congressman, thank you very much. listen, just like you, i love my country. but you got to be honest, she has weaknesses when it comes to racism. are there enough harboring those types of fears that can give purchase to that kind of message to allow this president back into the white house? the wizard of odds can give us a better sense of the stakes. next.

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this president says a lot of people agree with his calls to go back where you came from to the minority lawmakers. he may be right. but how many, more importantly, are there enough that support it to overcome all those who should condemn it. let's ask harry enten, the wizard of odds. what do you see in the numbers? >> yeah, i think what we have to recognize about this is that the president's very unpopular and what he's going to try and do is recreate the 2016 playbook. both hillary clinton and donald trump are very unpopular. where donald trump won was among those who had an unfavorable view of both of them. 18% of the electorate. he won 47% to clinton's 30%. and what he's trying to do this time is connect, say, omar, tlaib, alexandria ocasio-cortez to the democratic candidate,

bring them down. because he knows -- >> why did he win both unfavorables. >> he was the lesser of two evils. >> he won 2016 not because of how many, because he lost the popular vote by a lot, but it was about where. >> i think this is so important. it was that midwestern wall where trump broke through. if we look at nationwide, his net approval rating right now is minus 9 percentage points. look at the states of iowa and wisconsin, and he's not popular there, but he's much more popular than he is nationally. >> he's less unpopular. >> that's a beautiful way of putting it. you have a way with words. minus four percentage points in iowa. so he's actually closer to the center there. he's closer to break even than he is nationally. he's just trying to say, okay, i'm a little closer there, i

make the democratic candidate a little bit more unpopular and that's my secret to success. >> give me more. >> my buddy at "the times," we have these meetings and he basically cracked these numbers and it was interesting to me. he said who are the voters who turned out in 2018 and who are the registered voters who didn't turn out in 2018. white noncollege graduates made up only 40% of the electorate, that's iowa, michigan, so forth. whites without a college degree, they were 68% -- >> there's a lot of money left on the table. >> that's exactly right. and we know that racial resentment plays best with whites without a college degree. that was a study that was done after the 2016 presidential election. so he's trying to drive up that percentage of the electorate, trying to get those people who didn't turn out to vote in 2020. >> any insight with what would work with these people? >> so, what i would say, christopher, what could work is a candidate who can connect with them.

hillary clinton couldn't didn't. they thought she was someone who wasn't in their camp, someone who looked down on them. another point that i bring up, health care, that's something that we saw used overwhelming in the 2018 midterm elections. we saw that a lot of democratic candidates ran on health care and they were able to connect with these voters who were very worried that their health care was going to be taken away from them, and that's what we saw in the midwest, we saw the democrats doing well -- >> it's a metaphor issue because it's fundamental security. >> that's exactly right. >> and it's whether or not you will fight for me. it plays on that level better than just about any other issue and there's a relativism on pocketbook that's not there with health care. >> democrats are trusting on health care pretty much more than any other major issue. i want to point out one other thing, chris, and that is racial resentment can work in the midwest, but one place it may not work, florida, arizona, georgia. if you look at the voters who

turned out in 2018, we see that nonwhites only made up 36% of the electorate. but the registered voters who didn't vote, 46% of them were nonwhite. even if he's able to drive up that vote in the midwest, there could be a ricochet effect where they may turn out in larger numbers to vote against him. >> i love the help in focusing where we should look. thank you very much. the president again tonight vilified members of congress whom he says hate america. his crowd chanted in affirmation, send her back, they should go back. what is the democrat counter? ripe for a great debate with these two, next. wireless carrier? t-mobile will match it. need a few more reasons to switch? 1. do you like netflix? sure you do. that's why it's on us. 2. unlimited data. use as much as you want, when you want.

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what is clear is that the president has shown his hand, what is unclear is whether or not it will be a winning hand. now the rally in north carolina certainly thought so. they said, send her back in a big, unified chant as this president sat satisfied. the question is, is this what republicans should be running on in 2020 and we'll have a republican and a democrat, and do the democrats have a good counter. that's the start of tonight's great debate. good to have you both. i know we have a little bit of a satellite delay where you are. thank you for playing along. i don't know if you heard, but last night we had the silence heard round the world. i want to play what chris

coback, wants to be the u.s. senator from kansas, here's what he said last night on this show. >> what would you do if the president said, i am a racist? that's why i said it. what would you do? >> then i would not defend him. because there's no excuse for racism in america. >> would you still support him as president? you have to think about whether or not you would support a racist? really? >> i've decided to call this the coback test inside of the litmus test. kaylee, if the president said, the reason i'm saying these things is because i'm a racist, i know he hasn't said that, i know he doesn't believe that, hypothetically, if he said that, would it change your support for him? >> look, chris, this is absurd for you to ask that question. i understand the democrats on the left have been trying to paint the president as a racist since june of 2015 when he first

came down the escalator. it's a ridiculous assertion. >> why isn't your answer no, i don't support racism? >> because i won't -- i won't allow you to attach a label to the president even hypothetically that is false and untrue. >> how is it false when what he just said was patently racist. come on, the guy did the central park five. he did birtherism and you're going to say it's an unfair label, kaylee. the facts are not your friend. >> the facts are my friends. we can go back when he opened mar-a-lago to black americans, it was the -- >> opened to black americans? the only thing he's been opening his doors to there is illegal workers. that's what he's been opening his doors to.

>> jewish americans were allowed into mar-a-lago because of president trump. he's been praised by jesse jackson for being a friend to the black community. and it only changed, by the way, when you at cnn and others started calling him a racist, that is false. it is untrue. >> not when he said obama wasn't born in this country. not when he said good people on both sides. not when he told brown lawmakers to go back where they come from. >> again, taking him out of context one by one by one. >> here's your problem, jennifer, the facts are clear. i like having kaylee on the show. she's a benefit to the campaign. calling out the facts isn't

going to be enough. the coback test is even if this president said he was a racist, he might still support him if the alternative was you. how do you counter that and win? >> i think, first of all, the strategy of trying to paint the democrats as these four women which clearly he's trying to do -- >> effective. >> call all democrats socialists. >> effective. >> i don't know. it's effective with his base. but he can't win with just his base if his base is defined by those who came out in 2018. you just had harry on -- >> the wizard of odds. >> the wizard of odds, yes. and the fact is, he's got to expand from where he was in 2018 if he's going to win. he's got to hold everything he had in 2016. it's not going to work if this is the strategy. if racism is his strategy, if calling out people's fears is his strategy, that's not going

to work among suburban women, among people of color, among those who came out in 2018, white people who are uncomfortable -- >> 2020 we will have more people. has harry called out, you had 68% of white noncollege voters didn't come out. they have real disaffection and they appreciate this president as a disrupter of the norm. how do you get them? >> some of them do. some of them are uncomfortable with being brushed as associating with a president who is clearly dividing america. what is the -- what is this country? it is un-american to call out these women and say send them back. it is -- what is this country? >> that's absurd. you know what's un-american, jennifer -- >> it's un-american because there are american. they are americans. it's un-american to say send them back. come on. what is this country -- your ancestors came -- >> let her answer, jennifer.

>> american exceptionalism is people coming from other places to make this country special. that is the birth of this -- >> kaylee, what's your response? >> jennifer, since i had to be asked this absurd hypothetical, will you condemn ilhan omar for not condemning al qaeda. apparently not >> you wouldn't even answer my question, kaylee. you have no high ground. continue. >> who are you asking? >> i'm saying continue the banter. >> she criticizes the country. >> i have no idea what she has said or not said about al qaeda. but i do know she's an american citizen and she has a representative district and she's sent to washington to serve her district. that woman is an american and you can't say send her home. >> she says we are responsible for 9/11. >> wait, wait, wait. >> she says america is responsible for 9/11 and terrorism, we're responsible for that and she won't condemn al

qaeda, that is un-american. >> do you think she should be sent back to somalia? answer my question. >> jennifer, i'll answer it, all right. if you hate this country so much -- >> she doesn't hate it. >> let me finish. by all means, leave it and allow an immigrant who's dying to be here and take advantage of the american dream. make room for someone who loves this country and wants to be here. why do i say she hates this country? because it's very simple -- >> they were elected to serve america. >> it's very simple, we're responsible for 9/11. >> how dare you tell an american citizen they must go away. >> i said make room for someone who wants to be here. make room for someone who wants to be here. >> what is the first amendment about? >> you know what's un-american, is your fellow democrats not condemning al qaeda along with

ilhan omar. >> it's so ridiculous. this is such an -- >> crickets. >> this is what this election is going to be about. when the president said, yeah, we got a plan for health care, but i'm going to give it to you after the election, he was telling you the truth. the reason he's not going to fight you on health care. he'll fight you with what happened with the aca stinks, this is the battleground of this election. what is this country about? i'm testing both of you on that level because -- >> 9% approve of ilhan omar. >> in an unpopularity contest, this president is going to have his hands full. it will be a battle of attrition. we will see what happens going forward. but just to be very clear, i asked you that question because it should have been easy for you, kaylee, it should have been an easy no if he admitted he was a racist -- >> the president is not a racist. >> i didn't tell you he was. i said if he said it. the fact that you can't handle the question, that's on you.

>> the president is not a racist. i won't allow you to attack the president -- >> if you ask me, would i be friends with kaylee if she was an admitted racist -- >> he's not a racist. >> i didn't say he was. the facts that you run away from it speak volumes. but you're welcome to make the case. my next guest says the president's attacks are deeply personal for her. who is she? the co-chair of the congressional progressive caucus. she's a naturalized citizen from india. if she says something, is it like, is she going to have to go back too. she heard the debate. what is the winning counter? next. see? romance isn't dead! but it is here. thanks, captain obvious. don't hate-like their trip, book yours with hotels.com and get rewarded basically everywhere.

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look, i'm not saying i like it, but this show is not about shading or certainly hiding reality from you. times have changed. do you remember back in 2008 when that woman at the john mccain at the presidential campaign took a shot at barack obama's ethnicity and mccain's response here. >> i can't trust obama.

i have read about him and he's not -- he's a -- he's an arab. he's not -- >> no, ma'am. he's a decent family man, citizen, that i just happen to have disagreements with. >> now, this president may say that he doesn't like john mccain, but he has never equalled him in that moment. that woman, is a trumper. he is stoking those feelings right now and he's doing it to advantage and he's right to say there are a lot of people who will go agree with what he's doing. the question is, how do you counter and win? let's bring in congresswoman pramila jayapal. welcome back to "prime time." i want to talk to you about what your party is doing with health care. i think it's a metaphor issue. you got to get straight on it. this is your bigger challenge, the reason this president says i'll tell you my health care plan after the 2020 election, is

because he plans on spending this part saying people like you are a threat. you're a new that's not better and a great again, means going back to when people like you are not around as much. that's got to be the message. >> that is definitely his message. and i will tell you that it is absolutely outrageous and it is deeply personal. i was born in india. i've been a naturalized citizen -- i am a naturalized citizen. i've been in this country since i was 16 years old. this is my country and i am so proud of it. and what i said on the floor yesterday, chris, is that, you know, we're talking about patriotism and people are saying you either love it or you leave it. to me patriotism is love of country means that you actually critique it to make it as good

as you can be. you put yourself into service. you work to make it even better than it is today. and you do that with tremendous love but also with truth. and this president has nothing but lies and it is hurtful. look, i'm fine. but i will tell you, i got a lot of calls yesterday from people across the country who were absolutely outraged, felt dislocated from this country, felt like what has happened here? this is my country and i'm proud of it and i'm being told to go home, not by a guy in a car, but this time from the white house. from a guy who deliberately put out racist tweets. so, look, we got to call it out. we have to. we have to call it out. we cannot become inured to what he is doing. and then we got to talk about the policy issues because we have passed multiple pieces of incredible legislation here in the house of representatives to bring back wages, to put wages into the pockets of people, that's what we're going to do tomorrow with a $15 minimum wage. we have shown the kind of

legislation we can pass when we take back the senate, when we keep the house, when we take back the white house. >> but, pramila, the politics, the heart of it is persuasion and policy is there, but it's a second and third note. remember how my pop used to say, you can't paint in poetry. i'm not saying policy doesn't matter. on this show we talk about it all the time. but this is powerful stuff this president is playing with and he knows it is, that's why he's using it and he's getting unusual buy-in from people who should know better. listen to this congressman. listen to congressman kelly and the case he made in the president's defense. >> i'm watching all this. i think we're going way beyond the pale right now. they talk about people of color, i'm a person of color. i'm white. people say things all the time

but i don't get offended. >> look, there's an absurdity to that, but it is compelling to 70-plus percent of this country, there's a slice of that white america that feels disaffected, boxed out. that multiculturalism is their enemy. and whether it's true or not, this president is playing to those fears, you'll never get the health care if you don't persuade on that point first. >> it's true. but i'll tell you something, chris, i don't think he's playing to 70% of the country. i think he's playing to the same 30% that is always going to be with him, no matter what he

says. >> agreed. i'm not saying 70% of the country believes him. i'm saying, that's the field he's playing on. >> sure, but my point is, i think he's actually going to do damage to the other part of that 70% that does not agree with him because i will tell you, i've had a lot of my white friends say, listen, we remember our an ancestors, we remember the generation before us, the generation before that, some of us came over here as well. people do -- the thing that president has always gotten wrong is that immigration is a funny issue. it's not a black and white issue and no pun intended there, but it is a -- it is an interesting issue. almost everybody that has run, particularly in these state elections, but even if you look at 2018, all of the president's racism i think backfired on him. donald trump may not have been on the ballot in 2018, but he certainly was on the ballot.

and what was on the ballot. sure it was about health care, absolutely. but it was also about the kind of person that occupies the white house and needing to have a check to that. i believe the majority of americans, white, black and brown believe that immigration is good for this country and that telling people to go back to where they belong, to their own country, is racist. it doesn't matter what the republicans say. maybe one of the things i'm most disappointed about with my colleagues, i had colleagues on the floor yesterday tell me that they told their children that they should never say a thing like that and it was racist. and these are friends of mine. i said to them directly, are you going to speak out against the president? and they said -- first they said yes, but they did not do it. i looked. they did not do it. and they didn't vote for it -- >> it's working too well for their party. you got to forgive me tonight. i talk policy all the time here. i will have you back, we'll talk more about health care. >> you did it to me again. i got a great case to make for medicare for all. now you're going to have to give me ten minutes of time the next time. >> you'll be the lead guest and we'll talk about medicare for all. >> but, soon, chris.

there's a lot of misinformation out there and the questions that are being asked by these folks at the debates are not the right questions. nobody should be asking will you going to eliminate private insurance because that's not what our plan does. cedric was on your show just now and he said that there's a -- >> they're going to get rid of private insurance and you don't know what's going to happen. >> and actually my plan does not have four years, it's two years. let's know what we're talking about and let's get it done. >> i covered on the show, you're an important piece on that issue and i want to have you here. but i couldn't ignore this. this is what this election is going to be about. but, yes, i will have you back. it is on me and i'm sorry. >> all right. thanks, chris. >> you got to make choices. i care about health care, but this is a big deal. all right. ron burgundy, that escalated quickly, you remember that line in the movie, the hottest social media app right now may be turning into one of the scariest. let's bring in d. lemon. have you heard of face app? do you know the truth behind it? you will in a second.

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pictures of me, that's great. i used to run out, buy the newest ipad, now i'm like, no. i'm so glad i waited. are they using your face on the app right now? >> oh. it just shows, if this is true, by the way, let me just inject a little bit of skepticism, just because it's a russian company doesn't have to mean that it is an a part of russian intelligence. but schumer believes it's worth looking at it. but if there's some there, it's some sneaky stuff and we are so behind the ball on it. >> i don't think you should take a chance with any of this. you saw -- >> access your photos? no way. don't allow any app to have access to your photos.

>> was it facebook that just paid out $5 billion for -- yeah. i can't do it. and i think everyone should be careful about it. to tell you the truth, most social media now i don't really go on it, it's so toxic. i go on a couple things. and i don't use all of those apps. there you go. that's just me. you do what you want. >> i'm not doing it. what do you got coming up tonight? >> i'm going to take pictures of my breakfast, lunch and dinner. >> what is on the show tonight? >> serious stuff. someone who has been there and can tell us what a dangerous place we're in with all of this rhetoric especially the four congresswomen, dan rather is joining us. >> now, i was surprised last night, to be honest. i did not expect a senate candidate to be speechless and have to think about it when i asked him if he would support a known and admitted racist. i know it's hypothetical.

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now you know what this election is going to be about if this president has anything to say about it. forget the spin from the righties seeking cover. here is what trump said. so interesting to see progressive democrat congress women who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe. the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world that they even have a functioning government at all now loudly and viciously telling the people of the united states, the greatest and most powerful government of the world, why don't they go back and help the totally broken and infested places from which they came? his message was not going back to their district or hometown. he said country and he explained

his implication. he knew only one of the lawmakers was a naturalized citizen from somewhere else but he lumped them together on purpose because he is a demagogue and he is selling noisy brown women making trouble and trying to change what this place is about, go back, and his base heard the us versus them play as he intended it and too many on the right accept it no matter how low he goes and here's the proof. >> send her back. send her back. send her back. send her back. send her back. >> you hear the rallying cry. send her back. notice the president who says he didn't mean that didn't correct them. so forget about this dispute over what he meant. the proof here now is the silence that will tell you everything. a trump loyalist who wants to be

a u.s. senator who ran a federal commission for this president, was almost his immigration czar, chris could he back. >> what would you do if the president said i am a racist, that's why i said it. what would you do? >> then i would not defend him. >> really? >> there's no excuse for racism in america. >> really? >> really. >> would you still -- >> you have to think about it. you have to think about whether or not you would support a racist? really? >> i'd have to know who was running against him. >> a racist? maddening? of course. get the message. kobach isn't unique. he's an echo this president is counting on. that's why he said today he says he thinks he wins if he says racist things. stoke fears from others and get no blow back and buy in from the party. representative mike kelley, republican congressman, what did he say? i'm a person of color.

i'm white. i'm anglo saxan. i don't get offended. you don't get offended because you are an empowered white man. this is the willful ignorance that trump is counting on, the complicity that he is counting on and he told you that exactly today. >> people want to leave our country, they can. if they don't want to love our country, if they don't want to fight for our country, they can. i'll never change on that. i do think i'm winning the political fight. i think i'm winning it a lot. i'm not relishing the fight, i enjoy it because i have to get the word out to the american people. >> first he was asked to fight for this country and declined. second relish and enjoy mean the same thing. third, the right often tells you racism isn't a real problem in the country. trump is right. a lot of people agree with him that these types of people should go. why? racism is a problem.

we have struggled mightily to make this experiment in democracy and diversity work. unity is fragile. hate comes too easy to too many and full meanting that hate should be the farthest thing from a real president's mind. not this one. and while his policies reflect mostly traditional gop moves, cut taxes for the wealthy, go easy on business, his politics are the ugly stylings of a demagogue, and we're seeing it all over europe, we just hoped it wouldn't infect us here, but it has. he says he has to get the word out. be clear what his word is. trump says he wants to make america great again but what he means is make america hate again. any republican that hides from this reality or sells it as something else is complicit. this is not right versus left, it is right versus wrong. do the democrats get that?

their struggles with half measures on oversight, playing at policy extremes, those things don't give a clear signal that they do. be clear all of you, my brothers and sisters, this is a battle for the soul of the country. i offer this without hype or hyperbole or cynicism. i believe america has never succeeded when she was split. our biggest developments were also products of our diversity. but we now have a president who thinks the way forward is to go back. make america great again is inherently regressive. that's a fact of his own messaging, but here's the deal. this president only decides what he offers. you decide what to accept. thank you for watching cnn tonight with d. lemon starts right now. >> do you think -- i don't know, one year, 10, 20, whatever that those people who are chanting send her back, they're going to be proud of that when they see

that tape playing? >> now you will slap me down and say i'm excusing bad thoughts, however, i don't blame people for how they feel when it comes from an honest place of disenfranchiseme disenfranchisement, concerns about disaffection, being left behind. now they can be factually incorrect, they can be misplacing the blame for their own situation, but i get the emotional connection. the president didn't make that up. he is just taking advantage of it. >> he's manipulating them, too. >> he is. that's why i always say, you've heard me say a hundred times. don't sleep on the disaffection and the fear, it's real. we have a problem with race in this country. i do nt have to tell you that. racism is overstated. >> this is funny because you're saying a similar thing to -- i was watching trevor nolan last night. frustration doesn't make you racist. >> true. >> it may -- >> it makes you susceptible -- >> but it doesn't