private chat group were leaked revealing protectivety aimed at celebrities. police used tear gas on the crowds. in tens of thousands. erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront next, president trump says he didn't like the racist chant at his rally. but that chant was based on his racist tweets. so does he really mean it? plus the u.s. brings down an iranian drone with tensions escalating. what happens now? and a heart breaking story you won't see anywhere else. a father stopped at the border, unable to see his daughter in the united states. and when he finally is allowed in. it's too late. let's go outfront. >> good evening, everyone i'm kate baldwin in for erin burnett. outfront tonight, the tape doesn't lie. president trump trying to rewrite history as the backlash droes over the racist send her back chant at his rally directed

at congresswoman ilhan omar. the president now insisting he didn't like it. >> when your supporters last night chanted sent her back why didn't you stop them? ask them to stop saying that. >> well number one i think i did. i started speaking very quickly. it really was a loud -- i disagree with it by the way. but it was quite a chant. and i felt a little bit badly about it. but i will say this, i did -- and i started speaking very quickly. >> but you'll stop them if they do it again. >> i didn't like they did it. i started speaking very quickly. >> very quickly that's contradicted by the video. just watch. >> omar has a history of launching vicious anti-semitic screeds. [ chanting ].

>> and she talked about the evil israel and it's all about the benjamins, not good thing to say. >> 13 seconds that chant went on. and the president didn't stop it. seemed to soak it in. that's not speaking quickly at all. that's letting them finish before you continue on your attack. and if the president would like to know how you shut down a racist remark that might happen at a ral dwr or any presidential event this is how do you it. >> i can't trust obama. i have read about him. and he is not -- he is not -- he is a -- he is an arab. he is not -- >> no, ma'am, no, ma'am. no, ma'am. he is a decent family man, citizen, that i just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues. and that's what this campaign is all about. he is not. thank you. >> so there is that.

but no matter what the president says today, let's be clear about one thing. this didn't start last night. that chant clearly didn't come out of thin air. it started with his tweet four days ago. any got the chant from the president. it's also noteworthy the president has tried this before. and i'm talking about the last rallying cry from his rallies. lock her up. well, here he is in 2016. >> when i started talking about hillary clinton the veterans who saw her 24 hours before started screaming lock her up, lock her up, lock her up. and i said don't do that. i didn't do that for any reason. i didn't like it. and they stopped. >> they really did not as we well know because that chant is happening. in fact it just happened at his rally in florida last month. [ chanting ].

>> see him stopping them there. we have been here before. so it is somewhat hard to believe that the president -- believe the president when he says he is suddenly offended by this chant at his rallies now. pamela brown is outfront live outside the white house for us. pamela, why is the president trying to pretend he tried to step in when he clearly didn't and did nothing when the chants continued >> well, kating with after pressure from allies president trump is now saying he disavows that send her back chant at his rally and made sure he claims it didn't last long. there is no going back because the video shows a different story. showing 13 seconds fortunate chant growing louder louder and louder as the president stood and listened. he didn't join in. but the president told the audience minutes later to tell the four progressive accommodates to leave if any do not like him or the country. now the president of course could have come to the opinion he didn't like the chant upon reflection today. but we have learned that many

people in the inner circle including his daughter ivanka expressed concern to the white house who the president himself that the chant could come to define another dark and racially charged campaign. the president also, kate, dismissing the he himself set the stage for the chan with the tweet a few days ago that the four congresswoman dubbed the squad should go back to the crime infested countries where they came from. the women have made controversial students in the past including about israel and immigration. and white house defenders are quick to refocus the conversation on that, politics not race, claiming that they are radical and socialist that could be a window into the 2020 strategy to make the four women the face of the democratic party. >> take on people's positions all you want. but don't -- when you take them on on race that's when you get into where he is right now. thanks pamela. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> outfront with me tonight, democrat congresswoman of michigan brenda lawrence. thank you for being here. >> thank you so much, kate. >> the president says he wasn't

happy with the chants at his rally. you heard pam's great reporting. he said he disagree was it. if he disavows and those remarks is that good enough for you. >> no, it's not. you know, listening to that crowd. i have robotedly told friends of mine, what scares me more right now in america is not so much donald trump but the masses of people who seem empowered by his racist -- his just really hateful comments and people are just soaking that up. so when you look at history, being a black woman in america, and knowing there was a time where they would have gatherings of people and lynch black people and considered a social event, knowing that the nazis used to gather up human beings and murder them and people embraced that and cheered on those

leaders, this is what's so scary about this. we are in a democracy. we have freedom of speech. we can engage in dialogue. and we should. this amazing democracy we have was not built on a republican agenda or democratic agenda. it was the two parties coming together just ironing out differences and proximate cause producing some of the best laws and policies in the world. but when we start addressing people and using these racist comments, that's where the fear factor comes in. that's where this releasing of it's okay for you to attack another person -- what does going back to another country? what are you saying, as a young black girl i remember hearing the racist remarks on the playground. you monkey you go back to

africa. this is not a joke. what are you going to do about it mr. president. >> you mentioned the masses. i'm going to play for you what the president said kind of his message to his supporters would be. because he was asked today what his message is to his supporters chanting that last night. let me play that for you. >> well, these are people that love our country. i want them to keep loving our country. and i think the congress women by the way should be more positive than they are. >> what do you say to that? >> i say to that if you love this country, then you love the diversity of it. you can't love america and not appreciate the greatness of this yes is based on this -- this influence and -- and the contributions of people from all over the world that came together to call this place home. so loving america does not mean that you exclude people. loving america means that you

embrace in democracy. and, you know, i would say to anyone -- you have the right to support donald trump. if you think his policies are one that will move this country forward, you have that right. and i do not demonize anyone to be in the stadium and say that's my guy for president. but what i will say is that when you start chanting and embracing in thing of attacking and using racist rhetoric and laughing and cheering as if that is america, that is not america. and we must stand up against it. we cannot allow it. there's been some dark times in america and we always stood up against it and stopped it and got this country back on track. >> one thing that has come out of in -- this week and what's happened with the tweets and -- this was before the chants -- is the impeachment vote on the house floor. you were one of the 95 democrats voting in support of the

impeachment proceedings voted on yesterday against the president. >> yes. >> 157 democrats did not vote with you on this. so did this effort back fire? >> i was sent to congress to -- to speak truth to power. i was sent to congress not to join a club. i was sent there to represent the people and fight for the people. i am confronted daily of how this president has disregarded the laws and policies. i am on government oversight. we are conducting hearing after hearing after hearing. i have been confronted with a president who -- who has broken so many rules. we have criminal investigations. >> and why did 157 democrats not vote with you on that? >> i will tell you where my vote was. it's time for us in america, like we have repeatedly for democrats and republican presidents, that we -- with he we see this type of blatant

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. zpikman, vile, a new low. the democrat running to face president trump in 2020 united today, all slamming him for his rally last night where he continued a lengthy attack on four democratic congress women of color and stood by as supporters chanted send her back. >> it was despicable. to stand and attack the four women in the way did he. >> it's horrific, vile. it's vile. it's offensive. >> this president just keeps finding new lows. >> outfront now, a member of president trump's 2020 re-elect advisory count and former clinton white house aide keith boykin. thanks for being here. i have a lot to get to. how can he say he is not happy about the chants and disagreed with the chants when he tried to stop the stants cap chants when he didn't. they got it from him. >> crowds get out of control sometimes. you've ever been to a rangers

game as i have or any big auditorium when things start and you've been speaking. i've spoken at big events like this it takes a while to understand what's being said. and you're also thinking ahead what you're going to say let's give him the benefit of the doubt for a second because he did denounce it today. i have tots this too as a supporter of the president, i don't want this. i don't want to see this again at an arena. i don't think the chants are helpful in any way shape or form. because i think he is winning on his own on the merits. but the other side. >> i got to say it's hard -- strains cred utility to believe that he did not hear it and that he spoke quickly. >> because it's not true. it's a lie. trump started the week with this same attack on these four democratic congress women telling them to go back home and goes to the rally in north carolina last niem where his staff already told everyone that he planned to gin up the argument and double down. he encourages the crowd to

engage in this chant. it goes on for 13 seconds. they chant at least eight or nine times before he says another word. and then after the rally he goes out and tweets four different times, saying what a great rally it was. it wasn't until republicans today started condemning him that he finally retreated and said, oh, well, you know i didn't like that. it's a balanced faced lie. >> i mean he -- all the reporting we have is that a lot of people a lot of republicans are saying what you just said and saying it privately. saying you have to get around this. this can't define us. and that's what's actually changed him that's pretty sad. >> well, look, i think -- i had a conversation today with one of my best friends. she is a woman who lives in connecticut suburban, educated, the whole thing, right. liberal. and she said to me -- i said what do you think of this race who do you like? and a lot of the democratic candidates scare the hell out of her. >> what is this about what are you talking. >> i'm saying she wants -- she

doesn't like trump doesn't like his attitude or anything like that. but she may vote for him she may vote for him because she is afraid of who the democrats put up. that's where -- no this is what i'm saying that's where the party has to go and that's where he has to go. >> that's not the issue. >> going forward campaign. >> he gets to where he can't defend the president. >> you heard me say i did not agree with it. >> but you deflect to another issue and not holding him accountable that's the reason i continues these things. that's the reason he still does the -- let me finish. >> he did didn't apology did he he deannounced but nobody accepts that. >> i played it at the top of show. he also denounced lack her up and chanted again last month and took a tour and stood around. it's not like unless -- it's not like he didn't hear it. >> you know, judge him on the next time. when. >> how many more. >> if there is an arenaful. >> can i say it actually forget last night forget last night you can still judge him on the tweets. >> he started the week with

tweeting about this. >> we're talking about last night, right. >> talking -- i'm talking about. >> we're about. >> last night and today. today he said i don't want to see that again. >> let's talk about the impact. if we see what his plan for the campaign of 2020, which is a campaign of division, a campaign of us versus them, a campaign of otherism if you go by the tweets that includes racism. >> yeah. >> it worked in 2016. it did not work in 2018. what is it doing in 2020. >> i think in 2020 it's a little more difficult because in 2016 nobody took him seriously. he was buffoon a cartoon character and crown. even republicans conkemd. lindsey graham calmed his a race baiting xenophobiaic bigot and paul ryan don condemned. once he was nominated. they were more concerned about winning the election. ink republicans made the bed now with -- with donald trump.

they have to lie in it. and unfortunately that means there is a campaign that's going to be based on bigotry and racism. >> we're not talking about the economy which i have heard you so many times you say you wish he was. that's the anti-thesis of what we see right now. >> there is no question he should run on the record of the chee. because he won't lose that way. but. >> but he is not. let me play what's happening let me play this for you then you can make your point just answer my question. >> yeah. >> congresswoman ilhan omar heading back to her district landed back home in minnesota. she was- this is how she was greeted at the airport. >> welcome home ilhan. [ chanting ]. >> welcome home ilhan -- that's obviously supporter greeting her there. instead of -- now are you making her a hero? is that what donald trump is doing with ilhan omar. >> look if you don't think the

squad knows what they're doing, they've been elevated to basically the top. >> you say it with disdain. everybody has a name. >> and so we are saying before it's all about donald trump and terrible and this and that. like the 24 democrats running are so virtuous and never say a bad thing. are you kidding me. >> no, no, no, you know what i am saying though take people on on policy. take ilhan on policy. >> they called him a facist. they called him a facist, everything in the names but that's okay because they are immune. >> no. >> donald trump has a history of calling people everything in the book first of all. he has called people racist as well. you were here monday or tuesday we we were on saying if only the left stopped calling people racist if this wouldn't happen. donald trump called obama a racist. called the moviegenic o unchained racist. trump donald trump has a history of calling people racist.

you do not have a problem we he does. >> she called nancy pelosi race zblieft the racist is called a racist let's cull a thing a thing. donald trump is a racist. >> donald trump can do when he else everyone he can't do. >> i felt like i was at a clan rally and donald trump was the grand imperial wizard and they were telling a black woman to go home to african. textbook racism. it should be condemned from the halls of congress to the white house to every person who comes on television and speaks as a political expert. >> some republican lawmakers have and said that makes them stick sick to their stomach. >> what i said to keith the other night and it's clear, that if anyone supports donald trump or his presidency or his policies and if they are voting for him because they can't stand any of the 24 democrats then they definition of the democratic party now are racist that's where we're at. that's exactly the nexus drawn.

you tell 63 million watching right now. even those undecided you're a racist according to the democrats if you are vote for donald trump. >> i'll tell you. >> one final thing. >> no you -- fine last slap. >> this is the party of abraham lincoln. he would be turning over in his grave to see what donald trump has done to the party appear what republicans have allowed. >> what about jfk would what he think of the democratic party. >> always stealing the subject and caning the topic. >> the ling appealed to the better angels this guy appeals for the worst demons of disposition. >> it's a fact that donald trump is playing on division and playing on negativity. and playing on us versus them. no question about that. and what you say -- let's. >> rob knows it it's too that's sad. >> and rob -- >> no, no. >> donald trump might be watching on television. >> donald trump says a million time he wishes the president would focus on the economy. that's not what he is doing. let's see what happens tomorrow. >> thank you.

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new tonight, tensions escalating with iran. after a u.s. navy ship brought down an iranian drone in the strait of hormuz. this is hours after iran said it seized a foreign tanker with 12 people onboard. barbara starr outfront tonight. barbara what are you picking up about this. >> good evening, kate. another day a another provocation and incident with the iranians. the u.s. navy warship boxer was moving through the strait of hormuz to go into the persian gulf when approached by an iranen drone. the drone came within 1,000 yards of the warship, deeming to be unsafe distance. the u.s. navy tried to roid whoever might be listeneding to

back off. it did not. the marines swung into action and activated an advanced weapon they have that basically destroys the the -- destroyed the electronics of the drone. it crashed into the sea. the iranians say they have no missing drone. all of that said, over in saudi arabia, the u.s. now making plans to deploy 500, up to 1,000 perhaps u.s. troops to an airbus in the remote eastern deserts of saudi arabia. they want a secure airfield outside of range of iranian missiles so they can fly advanced fighters, patrol the gulf, the air skies have their own missile defense capability. it's another move on the part of the u.s. to continue to show its presence and show that it is being defensive. it is about deterrence, that they are not looking for war with iran. these provocations, however are always very concerning. kate. >> not helping in that effort. barbara thanks so much. outfront now, democrat being

congressman gerry connolly a members of the house foreign air force committee thank you for being here. >> great to be with you. >> what do you make about this drone from iran. >> i think we have to be real careful about not hyperventilating about this incident. it was a drone too close to the uss boxeren within. and we dismanhattan let the the electronics cause going to crash. the iran inner deny missing a drone .president asserts it's a iranian drone. we want to know more. but let's not use this as a pretext for something. we don't want to get into. yesterday the house of representatives voted to ensure that you do not go to war without coming to congress and getting our active consent. pursuant to the constitution. so tensions are rising in the strait of hormuz and with iran. in part because frankly a policy of this president has undertaken. both rhetorical and from a

policy point of view. perhaps the worst thing he has done is to rip up the iran nuclear agreement that was working and helping to deescalate tensions in the region. >> well, when we talk about tensions, if we are now at a place where both countries are downing each other's drones. and this drone came within 1,000 yards of a u.s. ship, i wonder where this goes next. where are you -- >> yeah, well, again i want to put it in context. all right. let's stipulate it's a provocative act to down somebody else's drone. but it's hardly an act of war. let's put it in context. we are going to have the possibility of some tangential conflict in the region, especially given the escalation of tensions rhetorically and otherwise. but we don't want a war don't want to precipitate a war. the most dangerous thing maybe behind your question is unintended consequences. >> right. >> things can be getting out of hand even if we don't mean them

to. that's why we have to tamp down fears and concerns here and make sure we understand all of the facts before we leap to conclusions. >> with all that in mind, the frnlts, the iranian foreign minister javad zarif he tweeted something out this evening. i want to ask you about process it's a map of the world section of the world highlighting the border sees of st united states. the border of iran and the red dot strait of hormuz. do you take that as a threat? what do you read from this. >> i don't know what to read from it. i'm not sure what possessed the foreign minister to do that. maybe it's a reminder from iran that we're a power too, and we're not -- we're not going to be easily dismissed. and if you zplat military action, you might want to think about it again in terms of potential consequences. but i think he is also engaged in needless escalation at a time

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>> he says she lost hope that they were going to be reunited. >> yeah. >> this family's story captures the often skrushiating reality of desperate families operated by a border. in 40u manuel gamez was an undocumented immigrant spent 7 years on long island new york working as a mechanic. >> manuel sis his father was killed was ms 13 in 2014 for not paying extortion bribes. after that he decided to send his daughter here to the united states to live with family members in new york. and that she was granted asylum. >> gamez thought if his daughter had been granted asylum he would as well. but he was denied. after that, he crossed the border illegally twois hoping to reunite with his daughter now thriving where, learning english and dreaming of a career in medicine while living with his sisters. but hidy would often break down

in tears because she missed her father. jessica and zoila are her aunts. zoil la discovered her after she attempted to take her life. earlier that night hidy was distraught over lerpg her father was caught by border patrol and being held in an immigration detention center. >> what are you going to tell your daughter there at the end?

he says he is going to ask her to forgive him and that -- for failing her. he says that it was never his intention to leave her alone. >> manuel gamez wasabi his daughter's side when she was taken off life support. as he stood by her the day before he caressed her face and hands and whispered, we love you don't leave us. and now manuel gamez prepares to be deported. >> ed lavandera that was skrushiating. >> anguish. it was really really tough to report it. and there is a lot of people who are facing these kinds of difficult decisions. >> what happens to him now. >> right now and all of this is

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we are just moments away from the big moment, when we'll all find out together who will face off on the stage of cnn's democratic presidential debates. these 20 candidates we're showing you have made the cut but still don't know who they're standing with. that all changes in all 13, 14 minutes from now. outfront now cnn senior political analyst mark preston democratic strategist the isha moodie-mills and ed rendle supporting joe biden. great to see you guys. so, mark, all eyes on this drawing, the candidates, the campaigns, the supporters, us, how significant is this moment. >> it's very significant for the

reason being follow me here, this campaign is in stages. we have 20 candidates right now that are vying for this nomination. come september that -- you won't have as many people. it's likely we will see this field shrink considerably over august. the candidates have to have a breakout moment, have to show democrats, democratic donors, activists that they have the ability to take on president trump and that they can explain their policy positions in a way that the american public want to grasp. it's hard in a field of 20. but that's why this is soperson important. and the matchups we see. on the stage and the two nights are greatly attacking the strategy of each candidate. >> governor, let's talk about the potential matchups of round 2. joe biden admitted he was not prepared in the last debate for the attack come from kamala harris. just a reminder here, listen. >> i was prepared for them to come after me but i wasn't prepared for the person coming at me the way she came at me. he knew beau, knows me. >> if you are not prepared and

not ready for somebody to point pout a difference of opinion about the history of segregation in our country and what was necessary to deal with that, which at that time was busing, then you're probably not ready. >> all right, governor who does he match up with now? is he more prepared this time? since then all he talked about is how the debate format is not his thing. >> right, but i think he will be more prepared, he'll be ready and i think the staff has gotten him ready and will continue to do so. the key thing for the vice president, though, is to not play defense. you know, in football it's something called a prevent defense and that's playing not to lose. and the only thing to prevent defense prevents is you from winning. he has to be the happy warrior he always has been. he has to be out -- get out and be proud of the record. and he has to speak the plain truth. he should have answered busing questions saying listen i was against bus attention because i didn't think it works to take

kids out of neighborhoods to a school 20 miles away. and busing proved to be a disaster. a disaster. >> well, let's see. >> that's the answer. >> i do wonder if that is -- if this becomes the fault line between for? who would you like to see together? do you want to see those two together again? >> we don't. i want to see elizabeth warren and joe biden because i think that what happened in the last debate was warren, she stayedha stage to herself. >> she was the only one, four of the top five were clumped together the second night. >> right. i'm looking forward to seeing the two of them together. here's why. warren and biden are going after the heart land. she's the homeland girl we don't know she really is. oklahoma is her roots. she's speaking to working class people. she needs to have the space to show she can be battle tested, that she is strong, she can go toe to toe with donald trump.

biden is the proxy for that. i want to see the two on the stage. it will be a good opportunity for her to put on the gloves and show how tough she is. there are too many questions whether or not she can hold her own against donald trump. and we haven't quite seen her be able to break out. >> mark, one thing we did learn from the last debate, all debates, short term, near term, not completely long term. you know what i'm getting at. is there one campaign that is facing this moment, do or die moment, to turn their campaign around, break out from the pack like you were discussing? >> well, i think there's multiple campaigns that are probably in that category, right. but you know who is actually even -- not even the 20 who have qualified for the debate. there are democrats who haven't qualified for the debate. so if you think that you are at the end of the stage at the end of the night and you were not in the middle, at least you were on the stage. can't be said for several others who hadn't made it. but i do think that the break out moment has to come in a way that the american people can grasp and can embrace.

if you look at what kamala harris did with her break out moment, she was really able to capitalize on that. julian castro was able to capitalize on it to an extent as well. but kamala's break out moment was so much stronger than his that his almost got erased in the grand scheme of things. so i do expect many of these candidates to try to have that moment. >> i've been wondering, governor, about bernie sanders. he's steady in the polls. but you can say in a different way he's stagnant in the polls while others are making moves. do you see him doing something differently in this upcoming debate? bernie sanders is kind of bernie sanders all the time. do you think that he should do something differently? >> well, first of all, the match up i'd like to see is bernie sanders and elizabeth warren on the same stage. >> yeah. >> because they are essentially fighting for the progressive left. as long as they're both in the race, neither one can win. so one of them has to knock the other out. and i think bernie has to understand that, and bernie has to do something new. the script that bernie's following is the script he

followed in 2016, and that was good enough to come in a solid second, but it wasn't good enough to win. so bernie has to expand his base in some ways, but he certainly has to reclaim leadership of the progressive left. >> aisha? >> here's the thing about that. the person who is actually siphoning off bernie sanders' votes is is joe biden. that's the thing. joe biden and bernie sanders are both pulling from that working class pool of kind of the industrial heart land, white men specifically. and i think that that's what we're seeing happen play out right now. it will be interesting to see what happens there. >> i know what ed randall is looking for. he's looking for another good food fight. what was it, governor, mashed potatoes getting thrown? that's what we're looking for this time. good to see you, guys. thanks for being here. we'll pick a different food next time. do not miss the draw, friends. it starts a few minutes at 8:00 only on cnn. and coming up next, jeanne moos with the darnedest things

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>> the point and wave. >> reporter: it's half debate, half cattle call. remember how just getting the herd on stage after ben carson missed his cue caused a backup, with a stagehand desperately waving for carson to go. they talk at the same time. >> senator harris. >> reporter: occasionally invade each other's space and pretend to be friendly. with ten candidates at a time, it can feel like an episode of veep. >> let's turn our attention to foreign policy, congressman ryan. >> bring it on. >> your question is about africa. >> pass. >> reporter: a real candidate can't pass up a chance to look it over and land a body blow. >> doesn't know what he's doing. >> there it is. there it is, the memorized 25-second speech. >> reporter: eyeing your opponent as you lower the boom. >> and that little girl was me. >> reporter: dominating the conversation. >> property from an elderly woman -- let me talk. >> quiet. out of time. >> reporter: looking to score

that viral moment even unwittingly, beto o'rourke broke into spanish. but in the end, it doesn't really matter who is standing next to whom thanks to the split screen. with the camera watching your every facial twitch. >> but he's a chaos candidate. >> reporter: making chaotic faces. >> he said he wouldn't want, quote, such a hot hand with his finger on the nuclear codes. >> reporter: if you're one of the democrats trying to break out of the pack, be careful what you wish for. you might end up alone on that stage with president trump lurking behind you as hillary clinton described it. >> my skin crawled. >> reporter: even though he stayed in his assigned space, she says she felt like saying -- >> back up, you creep. >> reporter: now, that's enough to make you yearn for the days of the cattle call. ♪ cattle call ♪ >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn.

new york. >> and what will it look like this time? thanks so much for joining us, everybody. "the draw" for the cnn democratic debates starts right now. >> and welcome to a special edition of ac 360. i'm anderson cooper. we're taking you behind the scenes for the upcoming democratic presidential debate cnn is hosting in detroit. usually how candidates are chosen for debates which night they appear on, who is standing next to them on the stage, that is all decided behind closed doors. tonight we want to be transparent as possible. 25 candidates appear on the debate which takes place in less than two weeks. for many candidates the debates will take place over two nights, july 30th and 31st at 8:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. we want yohe