>> and that's why there will be severe weather today around minneapolis and madison, wisconsin. there could be some tornados. >> chad, thank you so much. really important perspective on this. thank you all for joining me. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. thank you, kate. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. the lineups are set. democratic debates round two includes a biden/harris rematch. and on the other, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren whose public talk of being friends and allies is being tested by an intense campaign competition. plus hope hicks has some explaining to do. she told congress under oath she knew nothing about hush money payments to stormy daniels. newly released documents from the michael cohen case paint a very different picture. and president trump lashes out again at the media and

congresswoman ilhan omar. she did what the president asked, sort of, receiving a very warm welcome back home in minnesota. omar and her fellow members of the squad also getting support overseas. germany's chancellor says the president's racist tweets are wrong. >> translator: yes. i distance myself from this decidedly and stand in solidarity with the women who were attacked. >> we begin the hour right there. the controversy that has dominated the past six days. president trump lashing out again at democratic congresswoman ilhan omar just a day after the president tried to disavow heated anti-omar chants at a campaign rally. he's back to criticizing her on twitter, picking up right where he left off. even retweeting many of his tweets from earlier this week. while drumming up new outrage about how the story is being kufrds by the news media. president trump saying it is amazing how the fake news media became crazed over the chant "send her back." the media have been totally

common accepting of the most vile and disgusting statements made by the three radical left congresswomen. the media has covered those statements and analyzed them. the president goes on to criticize what he calls a tiny staged crowd as they greeted moul mouthed omar in minnesota, a state which the president says he will win in 2020. about that crowd. here's the scene last night, minneapolis/st. paul airport. congressman omar arriving home and here's what she told them. >> we are going to continue to be a nightmare to this president because his policies are a nightmare to us and we are not deterred. we are not frightened. we are ready. we are in the ring, we are in the people's house, and we are going to continue to keep fighting until we have the america we know we all deserve. >> with me to share their reporting and their insights,

julie pace with the associated press, cnn's jeff zeleny, rachel bade and vivian salamo with "the wall street journal." the president yesterday pulled back some and said i didn't like the chanting. the pressure was facing a lot of pressure to pull back. then today depogoes after the m, goes after omar. second thoughts about his r retreat? >> there are some instances where the president will face some pressure and pull back a little bit. in most of those situations he ends up back where he started. he believes in his instincts above the advice of his party and advisers and i would believe that he probably saw some of the warm reception that representative omar got in minnesota and wanted to pull the attention paback to him.

when he tweeted those words, it appears as though he meant them. >> also there's a lot of pressure mounting within his own party. even though they're not coming out publicly and denouncing what the president did behind closed doors, there's a lot of pushback within the republican party. folks going to vice president mike pence and to the president himself and saying you've got to tone it down. that for him is something he doesn't want to hear. he believes this is what his base wants to hear and this is the way that he's going to communicate with his voters. he thinks he's doing the right thing. >> and if you look at some of the retweets, the president's strategy is pretty clear. he knows he's controversial. he knows people don't like his temperament or things he says, so in these tweets, he's calling the democrats racist. he's calling the others, trying to bring them down to his level. some of these congresswomen have said controversial things. we have covered them. they're not racist things, but the president is trying to create is it a moral equivalency, a political equivalency? what's the game here? >> he likes this fight.

he seems to be sort of bored with the idea of the 24 democrats he may be potentially running against so he's trying to find four other ones. >> or a 3.9% unemployment rate. >> if he wants to win in minnesota perhaps that's something to talk about. the reality is he wants to engage, he wants this fight. but republicans down ballot are worried about this of course. some of his advisers are worried about this. as julie said, we've seen this movie before. he thinks it works for him. so he has no signs of stopping this at all. he probably also wants to goad them into saying something else. he wants to continue this back and forth. never mind talking about health care, never mind talking about the economy. he wants to talk about this. >> and republicans want to focus on these four women too. they have made a big part of their own re-elections in 2020 trying to connect democrats and the party with these four liberal women. but they want to talk about socialism. they want to talk about the comments that a lot of people found anti-semitic comments that omar made.

so they want to keep the focus on that. but he came in with this hammer, bam, and just totally upended that strategy because then it became about race and that undercuts them and that is not the message they want to be sending. >> to your point, as some republicans tell the president, at least deal back the rhetoric. talk about the green new deal, talk about socialism. rush limbaugh telling the president you're on to something. keep going. >> so i think what happened at that rally is a combination of people having fun. they're with a president they love. it's a take-off on "lock her up" hillary clinton, i hope they continue to ill straight how wacko they are. i hope omar keeps talking. i hope alexandria ocasio-cortez keeps talking. i hope trump continues to succeed in making all of these people the face of the democrat party. that would be great. >> republicans hope an old white guy keeps mocking the accent of

a latino member of congress? >> if they want to stop, they could say so. >> privately. >> privately we hear so much about things that republicans and trump advisers say privately. or after they leave office. paul ryan is an example. your moment is now. if you think this is pushing the country in the wrong direction, this is the time to say it. >> most of the calculation on the house side in their districts, they're not terribly diverse. if you cross the president, you're at more of a risk. >> that's why the house republican leadership sat down with pence in his residence the day after that and said, look, you've got to deliver the message to the president that this isn't working for us. mark walker, a north carolina republican, as conservative as you can get, he was there and sent out a tweet that night saying this is really disturbing. he has a lot constituents who are minorities and they're telling him this is offensive. it's going to be a question who does the president listen to.

he often will listen to people like sean hannity or rush limbaugh. so do the more establishment types convince him to their side and for how long? >> after two and a half years they realize he is so unpredictable their best bet is to turn a blind eye when they have to, focus on the policy like julia was saying and weather the storm, not to denounce him because he will come out swinging. >> and you saw omar back home. hero's welcome. the president said a staged crowd. it was organized just like his rallies are organized. she's like i'm going to stay in the arena an keep going. she said she thought the president was a fascist. what do we make of this from alexandria ocasio-cortez. i think this is almost taunting the president to see if he will respond. this land is your land, this land is my land. this land was made for you and me. the president says they're unamerican and don't love their country. they say no, we just disagree with you a lot and sometimes we disagree with our own party. yes, the gift of america is we

get to say so. >> and the question for some of these democrats who were the majority makers in the house, they're very uncomfortable about this as well. i talked to early members of congress and senior advisers to some of these members who don't necessarily want them to be the face of the party. of course they stand against racism and hate, but this is not helpful probably to the movement of the party. that's why the president is doing this. in a state like minnesota, we'll have to watch on november 2020 to see what that does. there are people with whom this resonates. the president knows exactly what he's doing. my issue or i guess a concern and you hear it talking to people, this is different than "lock her up." she was an equal. hillary clinton was an official. this is something far different. it's insiciting hate and violen. >> go back is racist. you can question is it right, is it appropriate, is it off color, is it bad taste in lock her up. to your point about minnesota.

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welcome back. hope hicks' attorney last hour taking issue with new suggestions she may have lied to congress. but the chairman of the house judiciary committee, jerry nadler, says the trump confidant and former white house communications director needs to clear up what she knew and when she knew it related to the hush money scheme related to silence stormy daniels. she said i wasn't aware of anything. i wasn't aware of a hush payment agreement. hicks also told the committee she was never, quote, present for discussions between cohen and trump when the two discussed daniels. but according to newly unsealed documents from the michael cohen case, hicks' defense could hinge on the meaning of the word "present." fbi investigators amassed telephone records, text messages and emails showing a flurry of communications between the president, hicks, cohen and the tabloid executives who helped bury the daniels' story, all of

this in october of 2016 hours after the "access hollywood" tape came out. there was a call between trump, his fixer cohen and hicks. evan perez joins our conversation. her attorney last hour issuing an adamant statement saying she did not mislead anybody and she will respond to chairman nadler's request. the documents in the cohen case raise a lot of questions about the veracity of her statements. >> yeah. i mean i think at least it raises questions about whether she was, you know, abiding by the spirit of being forthcoming with the committee. they asked her multiple times about her involvement in this. again, as you pointed out, she said she wasn't present for any of these discussions. clearly there were a lot of phone calls, text messages and some of them were in the hands of prosecutors. and they clearly obviously no charges have been brought in this case, we don't expect any, so you would assume prosecutors

examined this idea of whether or not she was truthful or whether or not there was any place to charge her with anything and they have decided that they cannot. but i do think, john, you're pointing to the right thing which is at a minimum it appears that she was not being fully forthcoming. >> here's some of the exchange in her testimony. sheila jackson lee doing the question. were you ever present when president trump and cohen discussed stormy daniels. >> no, ma'am. >> i'm going to say it again, were you ever presenting when trump and mr. cohen discussed stormy daniels since it was all over the news that that occurred. so no is my answer. that is her june 19th to the congress. this from the search warnrant. cohen received a call from hicks. 16 seconds into the call trump joined the call and the call continued over four minutes. so on a call but not present for the communication, is that the out here? >> that could be the technicality she was speaking to, the semantics there.

there's a question here, democrats have so much they want to investigate right now. they still wanting to pull out pieces of the mueller report and have witnesses of the mueller report come forward and testify, whether it's corey lewandowski or the people in the white house. you have to wonder if this is a rabbit hole. they're never going to find out the content of those calls. they can bring her up and she can explain herself, but they have so much in front of them. we are seven months into the new congress and they have yet to really turn over a new leaf in terms of findings. so you have to wonder is that the best angle to go to. >> that's a great point to get to the next conversation, whether they can get her to come back. judiciary committee democrats currently more than a little preoccupied with urgent preparations for that big date next week with the special counsel robert mueller. he is scheduled to testify wednesday. democrats say they are narrowing the scope of what they want to ask the special counsel when he's in the witness chair. manu raju is live on capitol hill. take us through the democratic

approach here. >> reporter: given the stakes of this hearing for next week, there have been mock hearings that republicans on the republican judiciary committee have had with a top aide playing robert mueller. also the house intelligence committee democrats had an aide standing in in their version of a mock hearing. that typically does not happen. we're also learning about the specific areas that they want to probe. first with the house judiciary committee democrats, they're going to focus on obstruction of justice. five areas in particular they want to hone in on. that includes the president allegedly telling the former white house counsel don mcgahn to fire the special counsel, telling mcgahn to publicly deny reports that trump told him to fire robert mueller. also telling corey lewandowski apparently, the former campaign manager, to tell the then attorney general jeff sessions to essentially limit the scope of the investigation to exclude the president and instead focus on future campaigns, and then telling lewandowski if sessions didn't meet with lewandowski that trump would fire sessions.

also the allegations laid out in the report of potential witness tampering involving paul manafort, michael cohen, others. the idea of dangling pardons. those are areas the democrats will focus in their line of questioning. then the house intelligence committee, democrats will focus on the russian interference aspect, the context with the russians. but republicans are going to pursue a different narrative. they're going to raise questions about the team that mueller formed, alleged biases of that team and origins of the investigation. so you're going to see two narratives being pushed. democrats just want mueller to reiterate what's in the report. the question is will they achieve the results they're hoping for. john. >> that's an excellent question. appreciate the live reporting. and that is the issue. a lot of democrats are saying don't expect a lot new. mueller has said i'm not going beyond the parameters of my report. the bet of the democrats is that having the special counsel in the chair saying these things on camera, a guy with years of

credibility in the law enforcement community, will deliver a power to it that you don't get when you read it. >> also an explanation of what his thinking was because he decided that he did not find enough evidence to recommend charges. so a lot of the democrats are going to be wondering why, why did you hold back. this is something that's been going on for a long time. as manu just listed, there were a lot of very damning elements to the report that a lot of democrats felt it was enough to proceed with some sort of charge. so that's going to be one of the elements also. democrats really holding out hope that they can have something, sort of that -- something to push this further a little bit. we saw that this week with the house deliberations over his racist remarks. a lot of them saying, wait, let's hold off and see what we can get from the special counsel first. >> if the answer is the report speaks for itself, justice department guidelines say i can't indict the president so i gave you a stack of evidence, now it's your decision. does that -- >> there is a risk for democrats in that it does put the ball in their court again. we all know where nancy pelosi comes down on this.

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the lineups are now set. 20 democrats split into groups of 10 for the second debates of the primary seasons. the candidates have ten more days now to prepare. now they have a better sense of the competition. let's start reverse order.

this is night two. if you watched the first round of debates, a lot of fireworks between joe biden and senator kamala harris. they are there for a rematch in round two. cory booker on the other side of the vice president, he said he too like harris in debate one wants to talk more about comments from the vice president that some viewed as talking favorably about segregation as a senator. she raised his position on busing in the last one. the challenge for the other candidates, how do you break through? the new yorkers, bill de blasio, kirsten gillibrand, watch for a little bit maybe there. the challenge, though, for the other candidates, they know the action will be in the middle. how do they break in? one interesting footnote in this diverse democratic field, on this night you have the diversity. you go to the first night and you have all white candidates here, but this is still a fascinating night. let me do this a bit in reverse order. pete buttigieg, the early surprise of the democratic field, he took the new next generational face lane that beto o'rourke wanted. they are on the same debate stage.

watch to see how that plays out. team o'rourke saying they like that. they want to have a conversation or at least a contrast with mayor buttigieg. in the middle the two leading progressives, the two candidates who say forget being pragmatic, be big and be bold. they will come under attack. moderate governor here, moderate former governor here, moderate senator there. they will come under attack not so much personally but just you're trying to do too much. it's too liberal, too much spending. she has emerged as a serious threat to him. they say they're friends. they are allies on many of the issues. will they ending up clashing? elizabeth warren suggesting it's not her plan. >> i am delighted. bernie and i have been friends for a long, long time. we've worked on a lot of issues together. i'm here because i believe we have a country that is working great for a thinner and thinner slice at the top. 2020 is all about making this country work for everyone else,

making democracy work for everyone else. >> so let's start there. they say they're friends. they are friends to a degree. but friends become rivals in a campaign, as we saw with kamala harris an joe biden. but let's start with elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. this is a fight, the two leading progressives here. this is a fight that neither candidate probably wants right now, but this is a fight that has to happen at some point in the campaign. they control nearly a third of the national polls of the democratic vote. they say they're friends. he was mad she didn't endorse him back in 2016. he's also mad that there was an effort by some allies of her to try to nudge sanders out of this race. his team whispers all the time, she can't lead a movement like bernie, you've got to stick with bernie. will it happen on this debate or will it wait? >> the reality of the sandingers campaign is of the two candidates, elizabeth warren is the one that seems to be ascendant. her poll is moving up and his is

moving down a bit. they are largely aligned on policies. so those issues that are most important to him, there's not a lot of daylight to go after her so he'd have to make a choice to go after her more personally. he's not that comfortable doing that, we saw that in 2016 a bit but i think the elizabeth warren strategy will be fascinating. if she does she herself moving forward and as the inheritor of the sanders movement and legacy, she has to make that seem like a safe space for those very loyal sanders supporters. so she'll be incredibly unlikely to go after him. she'll want to send the water is warm over here, bernie bros. >> she wants to object bernie 2.0. he mentions the electability argument over and over. he points to polls and saying he defeats the president. perhaps more so than her. so i think he will make that

argument. but i think most of the exchanges on that stage will probably come from beto o'rourke and pete buttigieg who are -- might have a moment and also other more moderate or conservative voices going after bernie sanders and elizabeth warren together. i would be surprised at the end of the evening if there's any type of sharp exchange between warren and sanders. >> if you're looking for this is the defining debate in the party, do you have a more pragmatic, medicare for all, green new deal. can the democrats sell that to the country in one national election? the people who say no include the governor of montana, the former congressman john delaney, john hickenlooper, senator amy klobuchar. they are among those that say we share your goals but you're trying to do way too much, way too fast and it costs way too much. so will warren and sanders in an odd way be allies fending that off? >> probably, right? that seems to be the big debate on capitol hill where you have the squad debating nancy pelosi.

right now democrats are trying to decide do they want to go with their heart, do they want to go with their mind? can they find someone to bridge that divide? it will be interesting to see do warren and bernie clash or are they on the same team for this debate and going after the more moderate and centrist democrats. >> let's move to night two which i'm not sure joe biden is happy with the draw last night because he had a bad night in the first round of debates so maybe he wants the rematch so he can show he can rebound. we saw the fireworks between then front-runner, now you have to call him the leader. he's come down in the polls since the first debate. senator harris went at him. senator booker saw how this worked. so he says he wants in. we'll see if he does this on the stage because he tends to be a more peaceful, friendly candidate. but his team is signaling he wants to get more aggressive. are we going to have the busing issue, the segregation issue, the crime bill issue, essentially joe biden, you're from another day. the party has moved on conversation. >> especially against the

backdrop of what we've just seen happening with the president in the last week, where now kamala harris and cory booker can go out there and they have made it very personal for them, a lot of these arguments. again, joe biden might have to be on the defense where he's trying to defend his own legacy and relate to the voters this is an issue that matters to me, i'm trying to unite the country, versus these personal stories that some of these candidates have. it's going to be a challenge. >> what is senator harris' calculation. it worked in round one and see you moving up. you also hear when you talk to african-american voters around the country, be careful here. maybe i'm not going to vote for joe biden and maybe i'm not sure who i'm going to vote for, but i love joe biden. and she's not as well known yet. you know, this is early in the campaign. is there a risk of being too aggressive against an icon in the party? >> i think enclosuclearly that debate was a really strong moment for kamala harris. behind that you did hear some questions about was it too contrived. the fact that the campaign had a

picture ready to go, t-shirts ready to sell. from talking to some of her advisers, they are also cognizant that she has to not just prove that she can dish it out both in a debate and in a hearing, but she can also take it. take some jabs about her own record with some humor, but also have some policy proposals ready to go. she's going to almost certainly get hit and questioned on whether she really comes down on health care, because she's been a little all over the place on that. i think she does have something to prove about how she can hold up when the pressure is pointed in her direction. >> only six of these 20 qualify for the next round in september. so this pressure on the other 14 to find a way to break through too. >> it's super high stakes. and i think the former vice president, if he doesn't have a stronger performance, then he won't even be the leader in this race. everyone around him said or believes that he will have a stronger performance. he's been preparing. he will be preparing much more in the week before. but i think that he is going to try and point out some

inconsistencies in senator harris' statement. medicare for all a chief example. on busing as well, she's not been entirely consistent on that. but i am most fascinated by cory booker. is he going to use this as a moment to actually bring it. but i think the topics of discussion, mass incarceration, other things, it didn't really come up in the first debate, will be more front and center. i'd be surprised if it was as focused on busing. most democratic voters are saying that is not that relevant in our lives today and i think senator harris knows that. when we come back, iran's foreign minister says he wants to talk to the united states. to the congress, not the white house. why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. we're the tenney's and we're usaa members for life. call usaa to start saving on insurance today.

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topping our political radar today, iran says president trump's announcement that the united states downed an iranian drone in the straits of hormuz is delusional. iran says all of its drones are safe and sound. the president says the u.s. navy assault ship downed the drone after it ignored warnings. an official saying the drone was destroyed by electronic jamming. iranes foreign minister is in the united states to discuss the ongoing tensions with the united states in an interview with npr and hinted that he's open to new talks with conditions. >> we can do it right now in order to make sure that people can be at ease that iran will never develop nuclear weapons. in exchange for a permanent lifting of sanctions ratified by u.s. congress, exactly as envisaged for 2023, we can do it now.

engagement has lost credibility at home. people don't look at engagement with the international community. the united states for one reason, for not keeping its word. >> the last part there was the most interesting part to me in the sense that the foreign minister essentially saying he has lost some credibility at home where the hard-liners of course call the shots because he was the one who pushed for this deal, he's the one who helped negotiate this deal. the united states walks away. he says his job is harder not only here trying to get the trump administration to listen to him but back home. >> and he's right, he's been under a lot of pressure. the trump administration said just two weeks ago they were going to put sanctions on him which was going to cripple his ability to interact with any countries. they have since scaled that back because they realized for any kind of diplomacy to happen with iran, they're going to have to give our european allies some breathing room to meet with the foreign minister and engage with him. ultimately this comes back to the white house. president trump wants to talk to iran and he's said it over and over again.

it's just the path of how. he doesn't want iran to make him look bad, make him look weak in the eyes of the international community and the eyes of his own voters, especially as he goes on the campaign trail and says i'm making peace with iran. i'm making iran submit to my demands. now iran is essentially testing him out. what we saw this week was the latest provocation with iran in a matter of weeks because iran saw that the president was about to launch an attack a couple of weeks ago and then withheld it. he said he does not want another war in the middle east. i was just speaking with a senior administration official today on this matter, and that official asserted that the president wants to go through diplomatic and economic pressure. he does not want another war in the middle east. that was exactly what we were told. so it's really just going to be this whole game of you hit me, i hit you back, but for how long. >> and how do you get the conversation started. there is no indication the administration is ready to do that next. up next, how worried should

trump's 2020 campaign be about that "sendi her back" rally chant?

the ugly discourse of this contentious week began with the president's sunday morning tweet suggesting four democratic congresswomen, all of color, all american citizens also, mind you, go back to where they came from. six days later he's full speed ahead with those attacks on

those four democrats. he did distance himself yesterday from his big rally crowd and its racist chant of "send her back." ivanka trump was among those who told the president the chant crossed the line. a number of republican lawmakers also relayed that through the vice president. but looking back there's no doubt where that message in the chant started. >> if you're not happy in the u.s., if you're complaining all the time, very simply, you can leave. you can leave right now. it's up to them. they can do what they want. they can leave, they can stay. [ crowd chanting "sent her back" ] >> tonight i have a suggestion for the hate-filled extremists. if they don't like it, let them leave. let them leave. let them leave. >> it was quite a chant. i felt a little bit badly about it. but i will say this, i did -- and i started speaking very

quickly, but it started up rather fast, as you probably noticed. >> so you'll tell your supporters never to say it again? >> well, i was not happy with it. i disagree with it. but again, i didn't say -- i didn't say that, they did. >> trying to wash his hands of that. whatever the particulars of the chant, whether the president means it when he said he didn't like it, it is clear starting past sunday, race, resentment, immigration, tension is the head of his campaign message. >> this is going to be the space he's going to occupy between now and the election. and that's because he thinks it works. it's also because when he has moments like this, he may get gentle pushback from lawmakers or advisers, but it's not a rush to condemn. he thinks he can get away with this. he thinks it will motivate his base and he also knows that his path to victory, just like 2016, is going to be very narrow.

he is doing very little to try to grow his base of supporters, so this is all going to be turnout among this is base and republicans. he looks at his election in 2016 and he thinks that this is part of what got him there, so he plans to double down. >> he's been doing it for a long time. we looked at the week. we could look back years and years. he started it with barack obama and he's continued it. it has worked for him up until this point. now he's president of the united states, his words have a far heavier freight and weight. we'll see if he repeats that. he has said he's unhappy about what the members of congress said. he's never going to, i don't believe, tell his crowd to quiet down. i would be stunned if that ever happened. >> we'll have opportunities fairly soon to see. this question of how he really feels about the chants, we're going to see that play out in realtime pretty quickly. >> for republicans in the house, this is just another example of how trump is putting himself before the party. i mean they thought that if they could keep the focus on socialism, that they could potentially grow their minority,

probably not take back the house but this is really an attack line highlighting these four women and how they support socialist ideas or flat-out socialism point blank, that they could win a lot of seats. democrats were really worried about that too. but i talked to democrats yesterday who felt like even though they hated this rhetoric and were concerned about the safety of these four women, especially congresswoman omar, they felt like something changed and that now these women are not going to be held up as socialists or whatever. he's going to go to these racial attacks, these racist comments, and that helps them in the long run. >> it's like he takes a lot of pride in just his events being spectacles. he likes that. he loves the interaction with the crowd and them shouting and chanting things. he likes the catch phrases he's developed as well. he's never said that he was going to stop the crowd from saying it, he skruft said he didn't like it. up next, a little political lightning round with a hollywood twist. choosing my car insurance was the easiest decision ever. i switched to geico and saved hundreds.

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the president is at the white house taking questions about the 50 years of apollo 11. >> say anti-semitic things. i'm unhappy with the fact that a congresswoman, in this case a different congresswoman, can call our country and our people garbage. that's what i'm unhappy with. those people in north carolina, that stadium was packed. it was a record crowd and i could have filled it ten times, as you know. those are incredible people. those are incredible patriots. but i'm unhappy when a congresswoman goes and says i'm going to be the president's nightmare. he's going to be the president's nightmare. she's lucky to be where she is, let me tell you. and the things that she has said are a disgrace to our country. thank you very much, everybody. >> an update on this asap rocky case? >> it's a situation in sweden.

sweden is a great country. they are friends of mine. the leadership. and we are going to be calling, we'll be talking to them. we've already started. and many, many members of the african-american community have called me, friends of mine, and said can you help. i personally don't know asap rocky but he has tremendous support from the african-american community in this country. when i say african-american, i think i can really say from everyone in this country because we're all one. i have been called by so many people asking me to help asap rocky. actually the one who knew about asap rocky was our first lady. right? she was telling me about, can you help a sop rocky. do you want to give a little statement on that? >> well, we were working with state department and we hope to get him home soon. >> we're going to see. we've had a very good

relationship with sweden. he's being held, as you know, in sweden and we've had a very good relationship in sweden so that's pretty much it. thank you all very much. thank you very much. hopefully we're in good shape on the debt ceiling. i can't imagine anybody ever using the debt ceiling as a negotiating wedge. when i first came into office, i asked about the debt ceiling. and i understand debt ceilings. i certainly understand the highest rated credit ever in history and a debt ceiling. and i said, i remember, to senator schumer and to nancy pelosi, would anybody ever use that to negotiate with? they said absolutely not. that's a sacred element of our country. they can't use the debt ceiling to negotiate. and don't forget, president obama during his eight years, he created -- he doubled the debt. you take every president, every president prior to president

obama, he then took it and doubled the debt over $10 trillion, 10 trillion with a t, not a b. not a million, not a billion. president obama put $10 trillion and doubled the debt. it was 10 and went to 20 and even above 20. so when they start talking about using the debt ceiling as a wedge to negotiator things that they want, they have told me very strongly they would never use that. that's a very, very sacred thing in our country, debt ceiling. we can never play with it. so i would have to assume we're in great shape. but just remember also, the previous administration doubled the debt in our country. you take all of the presidents that came before, doubled the debt