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this president says anything he thinks will get him out of a jam in the moment even if he doesn't believe it, even if it contradicts what he previously said. the very idea he didn't like his supporters chanting send her back, it is ludicrous. he is the one who started this entire shameful ploy. at this point, his lying is so obvious, it's almost insulting because it assumes everyone listening is either dumb for looking for any excuse to ignore the president every time he says something racist or bigoted or inappropriate. this was his expression of alleged regret yesterday. listen. >> mr. president, if i may, when your supporters last night were chanting send her back, why didn't you stop them? why didn't you ask them to stop saying that? >> number one, i think i did. i started speaking very quickly, it really was a loud -- i disagree with it, by the way. but it was quite a chant, and i felt a little bit badly about it

but i will say this, i did and i started speaking very quickly. but it started up rather fast as you probably noticed. >> now, all right, before we go any further, it should be mention that by wednesday night, the president had already for days been tweeting these congresswomen should go back to where they came from, never mind three were morning in this country and iilan omar is a citizen. a refugee from somalia. as saying i think i did, when asked the crowd to stop chanting or quote, i started speaking very quickly, the guy is just lying. i mean, he's just lying and if you don't believe that, it's all on tape so just look at it. >> omar has a history of launching vicious, antis-semitic -- >> send her back! send her back! send her back! send her back! send her back!

send her back! >> okay. you saw that, right? you know what that is. that's taking it all in. that's letting it build. that's savoring it. it's encouraging it. he stood there for 13 full seconds listening to the crowd chant back the very notion that he himself had been pushing for days leading up to the moment. he didn't ask them to stop. he didn't rush to move on. he didn't say it's not appropriate and here is why. he didn't stand up to the worse elements of human nature. he stood there soaking in this greek chorus of racism and later returned to the very same subject launching even more attacks on the congresswoman that night and now, i mean, it continues with his daughter-in-law lara trump who is on tv this morning lying in a way that even contradicts what the president lied about yesterday. listen.

>> the crowd themselves started chanting. it wasn't the whole crowd. it was a could people there in the front but he didn't say it. >> a couple people. he didn't say it. i mean, i wouldn't even normally bring in the daughter-in-law of the president but she's putting herself out there and has a role in the campaign and she's just freaking lying. i mean, keeping them honest, the president just yesterday said it was a real loud chant. quite a chant he went on to say. not just a couple people. and he didn't have to say send her back, he's already said it in tweets and the crowd was already primed to chant it by guess who? that's right. lara trump. >> many you don't love our country, the president said it, you should leave. right? >> am i right? huh? you can leave. what is it they say, the family that hates together.

factual falsehoods aside, the president said he felt a little bit badly unquote about the chanting. you heard him say he quote disagreed with it. which might lead you to think the next move might be the usual one after a politician blows the racial dog whistle as scenical as it is to contemplate, you think the president would say you know what? mission accomplished. i served my purpose. move on. i tossed out some red meat to the base and the president could pivot and you might believe the president saw the urge of his ways and honestly regrets bringing the country to an ugly and dangerous place. you might think having stared into the kind of abias that leads to a civil war, the standard barer of the president of lincoln, stand to the better angels of the nature. who are we kidding. here is what the president said today honoring the surviving apollo 11 astronauts.

>> the chant was just repeated -- >> you know what i'm unhappy with? you know what i'm unhappy with? i'm unhappy with the fact that a congresswoman can hate our country. i'm unhappy with the fact that a congresswoman can say antis-semitic things. i'm unhappy with the fact that a congresswoman in this case, a different congresswoman can call our country and people garbage. that's what i'm unhappy with. these people in that stadium was packed i could have called it ten times. it was a record crowd. those are incredible people and patriots. >> okay. so that whole thing he said yesterday is -- throw that out. a whole day of people claiming he has regrets and renounces the chant. that was what was on tv all day yesterday and all the surrogates were out there singing the chant.

singing the tune last night. you heard the president, he's repudiated that chant and went back to embracing the chanters as incredible patriots. listen, listen to what he said a short time later on his way to a golf club for the weekend, the one among others that routinely hired undocumented immigrants to save wages. >> you know what is racist to me? when somebody goes out and says horrible things about our country, the people of our country that are antis-semitic that hate everybody, that speak with scorn and hate, that to me is really a very dangerous thing. i think these four congressmen, i can say some worse than others but if you look at the statements they made where they call the people of our country and our country garbage, when they hit israel the way they hit israel so hard and horrible, i think to me, that's a disgrace

and we should never forget it. we're dealing with people that hate our country. >> so again, he's talking about four elected representatives that's who he's talking about. four american citizens. four women of color. four human beings who in his eyes and the eyes of at least the people chanting are the enemy. not the opposition. the enemy. a lot to talk about. we'll dig into the politics of this shortly but first, the larger questions and we're especially glad to be joined by dr. cornell west at harvard university. professor west, i want to talk to you because i find that chant so depressing and i mean, look, we've seen this thing done before, you know, send them back was said to, you know, irish and italian and said to chinese and every wave of immigrants that came to the shores and desen --

descendents saying send her back, how do you explain that? when you heard that chant. >> i'm like you, brother. i'm very grim and down and out but i said to myself, i've got to be more fortified in the name of moral consistency, spiritual witness and courage. i'll make sure i will not stoop so low that when fred trump and when marry ann trump and when melania trump came as german, as scotch and as sloveniaen that i would not say to them you need to go back. i've been here nine generations as a black man, enslaved, jim crow, jane crow at the center of the american experiment, at the center of the democratic experiment, i'm not going to stoop so low to be in the gutter with trump.

we have to be clear. this is not just a matter of trump as racist and sad to see the democratic party couldn't just call him a racist but say his words are racist. this is weak for me but donald trump, brother trump is at this moment becoming the american version. of a hitler. we have created a fast shows -- fascist frankenstein and i say we, it's not just a decrepit republican party with the collaborationest and facilitators, i mean, brother lindsey graham is just a donald doug version of joseph mccarthy, sad to see him stoop so low but kevin murphy the same way. republicans across the board have adjusted themselves to a profoundly unjust way of being in the world in terms of being lawless, hiding and concealing, rationalizing this kind of unadulted raw hatred and i come

from a tradition of people who have been hated for 400 years. we teach the world about love and justice. so the qstion bemes, how do i become fortified to say to trump you have to create a factious america. over our dead bodies. we will go down fighting. we won't get in the gutter of hatred but we will make sure you do not allow for this kind of expansion. of fascism. you read the book on the crowd and you see the ways in which you can manipulate the crowd and you know madison grant yale graduate 1887, the passing of the great race. the major scientific rationization of people. sib subordination of people. donald trump is as american as apple pie just like martin luther king junior is as american as apple pie and the

question is, what apple pie is going to win? in that sense, we have to be fortified. we can't get too -- i think the sisters are right. the four sisters are so right in terms of not taking the bait and i have a great love for those four sisters but when you love somebody, brother, you respect, you protect but correct. all of us are in the process of needing correction in this regard. but we have to be consistent across the board. right wing, center, left wing, what have you. i'm sorry to go on so long but brother, we at a very historic and pivotal moment in the history of this nation. if we don't accent the moral, the spiritual and politically courageous, this democratic experiment will come to an end and it's always been the vissous -- vicious legal of white supremacy but that's lodged in capitalism. racism isn't floating but it's a

rationalization so we don't talk about the bombing of nine countries going on or the rule of big military and the 60 cent that's already taken before we get to the budget for social programs and other programs. and the rule of wall street. the poverty. the decrepit schools and so forth and hitler, they did make the trains run on time but they were full of hatred and scene phobia. sister marry ann trump, i keep going back to donald trump's mother. he's still a human being. she said what kind of son have i created? that's the kind of question she raised. we have to answer that question. is it the case the son she created becomes the american version of hitler in the white house? in the oval office. that's the question. >> but there have been generations of americans who have stood up and questioned the

order of things, the unjustice of things, we have people have died protesting and, you know, questioning the america that exists not as a wanting to destroy america or criticizing the america that exists to make america better. america is the experiment constantly evolving and always has this vision of being this shining city of a hill and for people to say, i mean, people told civil rights marchers, if you don't love america, leave it. if you don't go back to where you came from, that's an old chant the fact that it is being chanted by thousands of people and the president of the united states is standing there and, you know, nodding to it and soaking it all in, i hear what you say about not getting, you know, too depressed and down about it but it is -- i mean, it is dangerous current that he is tinkering with in this country.

>> oh, there is no doubt about that, though, brother. there is no doubt about that. you know we've had president whose were slave holders and presidents who were defenders of american barbarism and so fourth but facisism distracts the people and manipulates emotions and give them a sense of being a pure community that's threatened by the inpure and he's the agent that provides the rescue for those based on that fear. every death spa manipulates fear and lies so criminality go hand and hand to hide and conceal social structures that are generating more mystery. >> there has to be an other. there has to be an other that can be deemen -- demonized and needs the other to focus everyone against.

>> that's exactly right. the fact that i mean, we have to be very clear. sister omar, she never said all the american people are garbage. now trump talked about american carnage. never said israel was evil. she said the evil doings of israel. every nation in the world has done evil. every person i know has done evil. quite lying on the sister to hide and conceal your own lies. that's part of the challenge here. but this is true also for the liberals because you know, we've had our dialogues, brother. i can't stand the liberal self-righteousness. i called him a racist. i'm so courageous. it don't take too much courage to call someone a racist. the question is what will you do to generate action? don't just articulate a view that becomes part of the in crowd. we need more than just liberal self-righteousness and need more than this right-wing drift towards neo where people adjust themself based on certain people

on the court. tax cuts for the rich and you lose your country. what does it gain in nation to lose its own soul and gain the whole world with wall street and company? that's the fund mental question of the ice man of the greatest play written by an irish brother american play written by irish brother named eugene o'neil. we need to go back to that. something i read is biblical, too, but we won't get religious here tonight. >> you're always welcome to be religious here. >> this is a moment for fighting. this say moment for gathering your spiritual and moral and political weaponry because we on a battle field and of course, we all have been on it every day of our lives whether we realize it or not. >> dr. west, appreciate hearing from you. thank you. >> love you, brother, stay strong. i'm still pulling for you. >> appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, julian castro and his take and the politics of what dr. west called

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tonight former hud secretary julian castro is focussing on new hampshire and if things go his way, he'll be able to focus on trump. thanks for being with us. these continued attacks obviously from the president, you've described what he's doing as racial priming. can you explain what that means? >> well, this guy is the biggest identity politician out there. and what he's trying to do is to divide americans along racial and ethnic lines and i don't think that there has been anybody who has been more successful at building his political career on dividing people on racial and ethnic lines as donald trump has and that's what he's trying to do with his attacks on these four congresswomen of color, trying to make them the other and

putting out this siren song to people that might support the idea that really that this is a white america only. that's what he's trying to do but i know because i've seen that the values that we have of basic respect for each other, of love of country, of compassion, of hard work, that those no know boundary so the collision of -- coalition of people who are white, who are black, who are latino, asian american, native american, rich, poor, muslim, jewish, christian, i believe is much stronger than his narrow base of people who support him and that's why i actually feel that the more he does this, that the better the odds get for democrats in 2020. >> is it -- i mean, this is likely to be a corner stone of the president's campaign so how do you as a candidate for the democratic nomination of president as you are, how do you

take on that on the trail without it also derailing you from talking about the issues that, you know, table top issues that people care about and that, you know thanks you want to discuss? >> well, i keep my eye on the ball. i'm always focused on the trail on what families need to prosper in the 21st century that they have good health care, that their child can get a good education and they have good job opportunities whether they live in a small town or a big city. and i also address this, i address the fact that we need to work together to make our down country stronger and i'll tell you, anderson, you think about how he won last time. okay? he won michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania by 77,000 votes collectively. in the trump era, what we're seeing is that the suburbs are clearly moving away from this president. we saw that in 2018 including in those states and in my home state of texas where liz l izzy

fletcher won in the suburbs of houston. and dallas. in california where regan country is all blue, i believe the more he does this and turns off those suburban voters in suburban milwaukee, suburban detroit, suburban pittsburgh and philadelphia, he makes it harder, he's also going to drive up the turnout in detroit, in philadelphia, in milwaukee. some people, you know, they hear what he's doing and they have heart burn. they think well, you know, is he going to be able to get another electoral college victory? i see the strategy but i believe he's hurting himself doing this and this is a sign not of confidence but desperation of trying to eke out a little bit more from a base that ain't going to go very far for him. >> some have said that this is not going to be a race about who has the best plan because frankly, the president got

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we do. they have a right to speak and be in politics. we don't have to win ugly. we can debate ideas and win an election on our policies and record. we don't have to be ugly to win and i hope the president understands he's got something to run on other than this. >> the president doesn't seem to be confused, though. he said one thing in the moment, you know, maybe the last person in the room had been a member of his family or something telling him, you know, he shouldn't say that, but now, clearly, today he had the opportunity to, you know, talk about why he felt uncomfortable or why it's not good to chant that. instead, you know, he just fully backed everybody in that room. >> racist are racist. this is the feature not the bug. donald trump has been a racist since the '70s, i think we should take him literally and seriously. he championed the obama birther conspiracy and said mexicans are rapist and he's the one for the

2018 midterms, he could run on the economy and jobs but he runs on the caravan of immigrants and rapists funded by george soros a jewish american billionaire. and says four american congresswomen, citizens, women of color told them to go back to their country, fix it and come back and three were born here and one is a naturalized citizen omar. and he says in front of his crowd, insights them and for 13 seconds, anderson, he bathes as they say send her home. send her back. i don't know about you but when i want to stop someone, i stop them. i don't stand there and bathe in the racism and he finally walks back for a second but then doubles down and this is where the rubber hits the road because he said that those people chanting a racist nativest chant that has been used against jews, italians, irish catholics, muslims and people of color, he

said those people are quote incredible patriots. so this is the scene in the movie, anderson, where the republicans get to be the hero or villain. the crisis point. will you step up to donald trump's racism or be mitt romney of susan collins of jeff flake and do a strongly worded tweet or say this is hateful. this is the scene in the movie, anderson, where it will decide the future of the country for the next two or three years. i say that without hyper bole. >> scott, it is strange -- not strange. it's obvious but when the president did allegedly seem to kind of repudiate it a little bit, he -- i mean, he was clearly lying about trying to stop the chant. you know, he said he quickly started talking again. he was uncomfortable. he didn't like it. but i mean, 13 seconds went by and just watching him soak it in, allowing the chant to build, you know, if -- not only is he

not really sincere, it seems, in repudiating it but he's also lying about what he did. >> look, he is going to have another chance to get this right and i hope he does get it right. i don't think he got it right in the moment. i don't like the chant. i don't like the fact it happened at a big rally and he didn't take the opportunity to put a big stop to it. we'll know how sincere he is about it all at the next rally. that's when we'll know how he's going to handle this because obviously, people are going to want to do it again, which is regrettable because it's rather weak-minded. if you don't think you can debate people on our record and issues which we're running and the best thing you got is to send them away and sensor them by sending them away, doesn't show much confidence in what the republicans are running on. i want to see what he does in the next rally. i won't ascribe racism to the people i haven't met. i won't do that. what i would say to everybody that believes that's the correct messaging tactic, it's absolutely not the correct messaging tactic.

there is a way to win and set of issues to run on and that's not it. >> i'm not -- you know, the idea, the whole send them back, that is a racist concept, you know, it's an anti religious concept and depending who you're talking about been used time and time again over the course of american history and it's -- it is reprehensible, yes, you can't say an entire room of people are racist but certainly that chant is racist, no? scott? >> i think that some people are going to interpret it that way and again, i'm not going to ascribe racism to people i don't know -- >> scott, it's easy, yes, yes, say yes. >> look, brother, don't interrupt me. i didn't interrupt you, don't interrupt me. i will say, some people took it that way. it could be taken that way. i don't personally believe people are chanting that and thinking that but we have to live in the reality in which we

live here and that is that this is not the correct tactic, message, idea, direction for this president's campaign. >> very quickly. >> anderson, it's racist because last time i checked bernie sanders was never told to go back to where they came from and four congresswomen of color were told that. by the president. it's racist. >> the president dismissed reports his daughter ivanka and melania got him to backtrack. ofrl on the racist chants at the rally. a fascinating new piece on ivanka trump. is she serving the american people or just herself and what is she actually doing? we'll be right back. ♪

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it. they didn't advice him. cnn political analyst wrote a whole article about ivanka trump and well, we'll talk about it in the atlantic. it's a fascinating article. i urge you to read it. the president said ivanka didn't advice him about wednesday night's chant even if she did, certainly doesn't seem to have had much effect and i feel like, i may have joked about this the other night before this, it seems like every time there is something controversial that happens, there is a leak that ivanka trump was whispering in the president's ear her concern which i don't know if it comes from ivanka trump or her people but seems like it does. >> right, there are two things i think we can take that from pattern. the source close to ivanka that magically appears after any controversial moment takes place but the one thing is why would she not say this in public if she believes her father has done something racist or

reprehensible as the source close to ivanka will imply in this case. why not go on the record and say that? the second thing would be that the influence that she would telegraph she had along the campaign trail to ease moderate's minds in voting for him, she doesn't have that. >> she has enough influence to go to the g 20 and try to shoe horn herself into a conversation with world leaders or show up in the dmz but when the rubber hits the road and there is something, you know, repulsive or unattractive that the president is doing or racist, she's nowhere to be seen. michael barber of the "new york times", for the x time ivanka trump spoke to her father x time told him x was problematic and despite mountains of evidence, this matters. this conversation mattered. it happens again and again. >> white it was important for me to report this piece is because

like you said, it came on the heels of the g 20 summit and her elbowing her way into the demilitarized zone of all places, the most tense important negotiating spot probably on this entire globe and you have to wonder, if she is willing to step out when there is a historic photo op to be had, but not when the very moral fabric or our nation is called into question as it was this week, who is she really in the white house for? for herself, something to tell her grandkids about one day or to actually, you know, steer the direction of this country in a positive matter? >> well, the idea that she portrays herself someone fighting for women's empowerment and maybe she is doing stuff, but her father spent the week trying his hardest to disempower four prominent congresswomen of color and, you know, the irony that she is the champion of women with this president and the way he has spoken about women and some of the

allegations against him, it's ironic if it wasn't actually important. >> real. yes. so like an actual thing taking place within the bounds of the leader of the free world and another point to that, too, you know, comical but scary is that any time something like this happens, the balance of her portfolio suddenly narrow and narrower. women's empowerment was the umbrella she came in with and when the president is disempowering women as you point out, suddenly it's no, this is about women's economic empowerment in the ivory coast. so the four congresswomen in america don't necessarily fall into that -- >> i think you quoted in your article that on some show, she was confronted about something regarding it. i'm not the president of women's empowerment or something like that. >> she said i'm not the president of all women's issues. that's the thing. it's this lovely oblique phrase

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the palm beach county sheriff said today he's ordered an internal investigation into his own office's supervision of jeffrey epstein while the registered sex offenders was serving a 13 month jail sentence for state related charges in 2007 and 2009. epstein was granted work-release privileges during that time which allowed him to spend 1 hours a day six days a week at an office. it's an arrangement that has

certainly come under some harsh scrutiny especially especially after the arrest with epstein's federal charges. it's the first television interview with the private investigator who's been tracking epstein for more than a decade. here's drew's report. >> reporter: homicide detective, worked narcotics. he'd seen it all and thought he'd retire to an easy life as a private detective in south florida. his first case brought to him by an attorney ten years ago, investigate jeffrey epstein. >> i started going out and interviewing witnesses that became victims. i was interviewing one after another. three girls turned into four girls, turned into five, six, seven and so on. i couldn't help but think this could have been my daughter or your daughter or my next door neighbor's daughter. >> reporter: the case is now

infamous. a secret sweetheart deal with federal prosecutors, a slap on the wrist jail sentence from the state of florida. >> if you had to see the pain on their faces when they found out about this plea deal, not only that the fear factor that he was going to be out was pretty tremendous. >> reporter: he and attorney brad edwards sought justice through civil suits on behalf of alleged victims, winning settlements against the multi-millionaire. victims were so young, he says it's inconceivable those in epstein's social circles could not have at least suspected the girls were under age. >> once these girls lost their braces and their pubescent look and they started becoming 16 years old or 17 years old, they were too old for him. so then he started using them for recruiters to bring the younger girls. >> reporter: epstein did plead guilty in 2008 to two state charges including procuring a person under 18 for prostitution. a charge so demeaning to the children he victimized he says

it silenced many of them. >> these little girls that were not of age of consent in the state of florida, they couldn't be prostitutes. >> reporter: one victim told fisten, she was just 13 when it start. >> but she looked like she was 9. and she started telling me the whole story how she tried to live a good life. she was blaming herself for what jeffy did to her. and she was in such pain this girl, listen, nothing really phases me after spending 13 years in homicide, but that really phased me. i teared up during this. >> reporter: court documents detail how epstein inimidated, frightened and threatened potential witnesses against him including the girls he had abused. the u.s. attorneys office knew the fbi was investigating but chose not to prosecute. fisten witnessed that harassment first-hand. >> he hired private investigators and all their job was to do was to follow the

girls around and intimidate them. they were on their bumpers everywhere they went. they pull into a gas station, they pull up behind them. they pull into a grocery store, they pull up behind them. so this is happening while he's supposedly serving his 13 months. while he's serving it and after he gets out while on probation. if you look at it from a point of justice point of view, whatever that prosecution was doesn't look like it sent any message to jeffrey epstein. >> it did send a message. you can do what you want and no one's going to mess with you. >> reporter: and fisten says anyone watching epstein during his 13 month jail sentence would have been able to see him leaving during the day, head to his office where young women were allowed to come and go. >> they were bringing lavish lunches and food into hez office. >> they looked young, they

looked very young. >> you have no doubt he's been abusing since his plea? >> oh, absolutely. he can't stop. >> reporter: epstein's attorney says epstein has had a spotless record since he got out of jail in 2010. >> you mentioned you had proof just recently he's been abusing girls. what is the proof? >> we have some people who have come forward. >> reporter: which is why fisten says the victims of jeffrey epstein known and unknown are rejoicing in his recent arrest. >> this is all they ever wanted. they didn't want his money. this is what they wanted. this is all they wanted. >> in your report mike fisten says there are new victims, recent victims. is there proof of that? >> anderson, according to fisten, associates of epstein have come forward alleging epstein has been traveling with two young women who have been procuring girls for him in recent years.

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