relationship with the president but has not been afraid to criticize him in the past couple of years. nic robertson, thank you so much. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. thank you, dana. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. president trump and speaker pelosi strike a deal on the spending and the debt limit. the challenge now getting it through congress. joe biden reveals a new criminal justice reform plan, it has ideas about reducing mass incarceration and walks away from many ideas biden championed as a senator back in the 1990s. call it a warmup for bob mueller. the special counsel testifies tomorrow about russian meddling and about the president's efforts to stymie his investigation. today the fbi director says problem not solved.

>> has russia -- are the russians still trying to interfere in our election system? >> the russians are absolutely intent on trying to interfere with our elections through -- >> is it fair to say that everything we've done against russia has not deterred them enough? all the sanctions, all the talk, they're still at it? >> well, my view is until they stop, they haven't been deterred enough. >> and they're still doing it? >> yes. >> and we begin the hour on that subject with the big wait for tomorrow morning and the russia special counsel's capitol hill testimony. today democrats are doing a dry run, holding mock hearings. last night the president, quoting a fox business personality, to hammer home his own mueller report conclusion. quote, there's no there, there. that's the president's take. today the house democratic judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler says that's a lie and tomorrow's hearing, nadler says, will break through the president's spin.

robert mueller is a tough witness. he's testified before congress dozens of times in the past three decades and the former special counsel cautioned, remember, in his own public appearance since the end of his investigation, quote, my report is my testimony. but let's take a look at some of the big questions democrats will want to ask mueller even if mueller doesn't want to answer. start with volume 1. that's the part of the report that's about russia meddling. some of the issues democrats think will come up at the hearing, did the president, people inside his campaign or any associates of the trump campaign or the president have any knowledge wikileaks would release hacked emails? why did you not interview donald trump jr. about that infamous june meeting with russians at trump tower. you can be certain this issue will come up. from volume 2, this is about the alleged obstruction by the president or acts special counsel said could be construed as obstruction. did you intend for your report to serve as an impeachment referral? the house democratic math especially on the impeachment question could be affected by

how the special counsel answers that. why did you say in the report that you don't exonerate the president if you decided not to charge him with obstructing justice? the justice department guidelines, can't indict a sitting president, but what does mueller think about the sitting president? we'll see if he answers the question. there's also interesting things in the appendix where mueller details how the investigation played out. why did he decide not to have a subpoena fight when the president said he would not voluntarily sit down for an in-person interview. see if mueller will answer that. remember, the president did submit written answers to some questions. does the evidence suggest that he was fully candid in those written answers to the special counsel office? that will be another area for the special counsel. republicans will try to attack the credibility of the administration. democrats are hoping even if mueller doesn't go outside of the report, just hearing him read himself the key findings will be powerful. >> would anyone else have faced criminal prosecution? >> i don't think we'll ask it in that form because i don't think

he'd answer it in that form. >> what if robert mueller says i refer you to my report? >> he may very well. we will be referring to specific pages and specific sections in the report and asking him to comment on them. >> how is that going to sound? what's the question that you're going ask him? >> well, paragraph 2 on page whatever says the following. is that correct? did you find that? does this describe obstruction of justice? >> with me in studio to share their reporting and their insights, sara murray, michael shara, melanie. this is either going to be the world's biggest event, the mueller movie, or a dud because there's nothing new. what are we expecting? or do we know what to expect? >> i think it could be somewhere in between there. the reality is we have not heard bob mueller say all that much so it's still going to be interesting to hear the words coming out of his mouth. all we have heard from him throughout this entire process is a 10-minute statement.

but i think that it was very clear from what robert mueller said in that 10-minute statement and from the letter from the justice department yesterday that he is going to cover what is in that report. he's not going to show up and drop a bunch of new bombshells and answer questions that have so far gone unanswered. so that could be a source of frustration certainly for people watching from home as well as members from that committee. but i think they're doing what they have to do. you can't have someone run an investigation like this and then not bring them before congress and at least ask the question. >> absolutely. to that point when people say why are they even doing this, he spent tens of millions of dollars of the american people's money on a very important investigation. of course he should go before the congress and have oversight. you mentioned the justice department letter. i'll call that a brush-back pitch. bob mueller was fbi director for over a decade. he was a federal prosecutor for decades before that. the department of justice sends him a letter saying you must remain within the boundaries of your public report because matters under the scope of your

investigation were covered by executive privilege. there's legal precedent where bob mueller can say whatever bob mueller wants. but why a brush-back pitch from the trump justice department. >> if you remember, attorney general barr did not abide by those rulings when he decided to testify. he talked about all issues outside of the report. he explained his decision and why he decided that the president was not guilty of obstruction of justice so he's applying different rules for bob mueller. but this has been the strategy of the trump administration to limit the amount of people coming up to testify about the mueller report, limit the amount of information that can be shown on television about the mueller report, limit the amount of testimony that can be put forward about what's in the mueller report because the mueller report is damning for the trump administration. even though he has no obstruction, no collusion, it is not a positive picture of what is happening within the white house. >> that's what he says, not what the report says. >> democrats are leaving nothing to chance. they really want to sell the testimony. they know that it's probably not enough just to have him out there saying those things so they are launching a war room where they'll be clipping and

blasting out testimony excerpts. they're using #retweetthereport and doing mock sessions which underscores how high stakes these hearings are. >> and the judiciary committee will deal with the obstruction issue. the intelligence committee will deal with the russia meddling, which includes the trump tower meeting and donald trump jr.'s playing footsie with wikileaks. the president says, maybe i'll watch. >> no, i'm not going to be watching. probably. maybe i'll see some. i'm not going to be watching mueller because you can't take all those bites out of the apple. >> is there anybody alive that believes the president will not be watching mueller? >> no. one of the things that's interesting to me is there's a lot of attention focused on the democrats and the democrats' questioning of mueller. i'm going to be interested in watching to what the way mueller

responds to what we expect will be attacks from the republican side. the president has spent all of this time and his allies on capitol hill have spent all of this time focused on castigating bob mueller and his team, the 18 angry democrats, all of the -- all of the attacks to try to undermine his credibility. this will be bob mueller's first opportunity to respond to that. and it's likely that a guy like that that's proud of his reputation will want to respond. if he doesn't want to respond, he may have no choice in the face of what we expect to be some of these attacks. i think it's going to be interesting to watch how does that -- how does that work? and what kind of moments does that produce? >> i think that's a great point. if you go back through history -- we'll see what happens tomorrow. if you go back through history and the republicans bragging, house republicans especially, saying the benghazi hearing, other things like that, they do not have a great track record of

delivering. >> the irony of all the people who continue to hold benghazi hearings and continue to talk about hillary clinton's emails to now saying we do not need bob mueller to testify. >> to that point senator lindsey graham on the senate side, he wants to bring in george papadopoulos because he wants to explore the origins of the investigation. george papadopoulos, who the president himself calls the coffee boy, we don't know -- okay, he says bob mueller, why would we wanti to talk to him? >> it won't reshape my dynamic. i've heard all i need to hear from mueller. i read his report, i accept the findings. i don't think it's going to change public opinion. having been involved with the clinton hearings, if the public is not with you, you'll pay a price and i don't think there's anything mueller can say that will change anybody's mind. >> i don't think we know that about public opinion. do the american people watch? do they watch the news coverage?

do they get interested and go looking for those clips if they see them in social media? we don't know the answer to that. it seems pretty clear republicans are not going to change their minds. the question i have is will more house democrats -- will mueller make a case, we're at 88 on the record saying we should impeach. will more house democrats say impeach. even though nancy pelosi wants him to testify, in the end will it complicate her job? >> democrats have to be careful what they wish for. they want to damage his election prospects and want spicy clips to come out and show his alleged obstruction in this probe. at the same time that could lead to a swell of democrats coming out in support of impeachment and that would put nancy pelosi in a serious bind as she's trying to protect those moderates heading into 2020. >> mueller spoke for only 10 minutes and we did see sort of a dam break with several democrats come out and say we are now in favor of impeachment. now he'll be on the hill several hours and have an opportunity to talk more about what was in his report and answer tough questions. that could lead to more

democrats breaking ranks and saying, yes, we do support impeachment. >> it will be a fascinating day. tune in tomorrow morning. get up bright and early with us. special counsel robert mueller testifying live. it begins 8:00 a.m. eastern right here on cnn. a sweeping new budget deal raises new alarm bells for conservatives and democrats. ♪ ♪ don't you get the one of those travel sites?t they tell you that, but when you book at hilton.com, you get the price match guarantee. so if you find your room at a lower rate, hilton is like... we're gonna match that rate and give you an extra 25% off.

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congressional leaders and the white house urging lawmakers to get onboard today. that after the two sides finally

agreed to a sweeping budget and debt ceiling deal. last night president trump signaling he's on board, at least for now, tweeting i'm pleased to announce that a deal has been struck on a two-year budget around debt ceiling with no poison pills. the president said this was a real compromise in order to give another big victory to our great military and vets. this is far from over, however. significant opposition from members of both parties. plenty for both sides to dislike. it does propose $1.3 trillion in total spending each of the next two years and raises the spending limits by $320 billion over those two years. the deal suspends the debt ceiling until well after the 2020 election and it says good-bye to the sequester, the budget caps enacted back in 2011. phil mattingly is counting the votes live up on capitol hill. phil, walk us through some of the land mines and the path ahead here. >> reporter: so here's the land mines. if you are a fiscal conservative, you have major problems with this deal. you've had a lot of republicans

who are cool to the idea of the major increase in spending, both defense and domestic, as well as the fact that it essentially does away with one of the key fiscal victories the republicans claim from the obama years, gets rid of the budget caps entirely after years of delaying those caps. if you're a democrat, you have issues with two things, the idea that there are limitations on policy riders, adding things that are priorities for your party in spending bills coming up in september and there are no limitations on the transfer authority for the administration to move money around to potentially finance a border wall. that's where you're going to see lawmakers drop off and vote against. the coalition to get this passed is the same one it always is on agreements like this. you have defense hawks from the senate armed services committee and house armed services committees. you have appropriators who likes this bill smoothes the process of that spending bill effort. also key and don't forget about this, you have all four congressional leaders who signed off on this deal and you have a president who has signed off as

well. now, there is concern the president may waffle on this. we've seen this a number of times the last two and a half years when it comes to these fights. but senator majority leader mitch mcconnell announcing his support and made very clear the president supports the deal and he is proud to join and support the deal. the reality is they should have the votes and leadership thinks they will pass this. but it won't be overwhelming, it will be just enough. john. >> just enough. inspirational. phil mattingly, live on the hill, appreciate it. good luck. joining us, kaitlin collins and damien from "the washington post." damien, from a structural budget standpoint, economic standpoint, what are the most significant elements of the deal. >> suspending the debt ceiling two years takes away that crisis we may be facing as soon as september so that is a big deal.

but it locks in trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. we're on pace to spend $4.4 trillion this year, bring in $3.4 trillion in revenue. that's a trillion dollar gap. by agreeing to more spending in the next two years, they're all accepting that's going to be the status quo going forward, which is a big change from what republicans had advocated for during the obama administration. >> i want to come back to that in just a second. the president's tweet says it's a compromise. it doesn't say yay, it doesn't say republicans vote for it. we know his own, now his acting chief of staff, former budget director, some of the freedom caucus guys in congress don't like this. is there any chance the president will see negative reaction and back away? >> maybe. and a tweet is not a signature. we've come really close to the president not signing a spending bill to have the defense secretary when it was james mattis to come to the president and say you need to sign this because we need the military funded. just because he tweets that does not give any confidence to people inside the white house that it's for sure going to

happen. it helps a little bit. another thing that helps, a lot of people are distracted by the fact robert mueller is testifying tomorrow. that could help push this bill that typically may not make it over the edge. there are people in the white house who do not like this. you saw mick mulvaney's deputy who is running the office of management and budget sippingng this bill's praises even though behind the scenes he was not on board with this. keep an eye out for members of the freedom caucus to come to the president and express their displeasure. the democrats and steven mnuchin and some of those on board with this, they are hoping the president will be distracted by everything going on. >> mnuchin is talking to republican senators. i think the issue is more on the house side. speaker pelosi said he hopes the president keeps his promise to move it forward. we have divided government now. the democrats control the house. it's somewhat understandable the republican senate would have to give something to the democrats, because that's how compromise

works. let's look at federal discretionary spending. you look at the obama years. early on, remember the recession. then spending came down, republicans took control of the house, the sequester kicked in. and then with a republican president, especially those first two years, republicans ran everything. spending went up. now those last three years are projected. there will be adjustments for inflation and cost of growth. but this is not -- donald trump and the campaign in 2016 said balancing the budget would be easy, eliminating the debt. he said the whole national debt. let's listen to the president. the whole national debt, entire national debt, bye. i'm sorry, that's -- let me bring that up here. he said we're going to get rid of $19 trillion in debt. how long will that take? i think you can do it fairly quickly. what's fairly quickly? a period of eight years. the president said in eight years he would get rid of the national debt. look at the federal budget deficits here. you put this up. remember, again, they were spiking at the beginning of the

obama years. we were in a recession then. and then you see a lot of that is because of the republicans taking over in the house. you see them forcing the president into the sequester. and then a republican president, there go deficits through the sky again. is the tea party dead? is fiscal conservatism dead? >> this is just another example of trump remaking the party in his own image, right? the tea party wave in 2010, they came to congress on the idea of fiscal responsibility when obama was in office. keep in mind he did have a recession and economic downturn that he was dealing with but so few rips are willing to directly criticize the president, even some of these fiscal hawks who are raising concerns with this budget deal. they're shifting the blame on pelosi. the only criticism you see of the president are from people who are no longer in congress, like mark sanford, who's trying to potentially run against trump on this issue in 2020. >> but i don't think there was anybody that really in their heart of hearts believed that donald trump was a true fiscal conservative when he ran. there was deep concern among the real fiscal hawks that he was not going to really carry their

banner when and if he became president. to go back to kaitlin's point, the important constituency here is not necessarily the people in congress who are whispering in the president's ear or even the people in the white house, it's the people on the screen. it's can the freedom caucus types who are the fiscal conservatives, can they get into the ear of lou dobbs, get into the ear of sean hannity and whip up a kind of opposition to this that plays out across the screen of fox news. if the president sees that, what we've seen in the past again and again, if he sees that and it gets him riled up, whatever support he's offered in phone calls to mitch mcconnell doesn't mean a whole lot. >> the house republican health care plan that was awesome until it was mean. to your point, that's where your mueller point could come into play. it's hard to get their attention. >> but it still could get their attention thursday and friday. we have a few more days.

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joe biden unveiling a detailed criminal justice plan today, hoping a new approach helps him deflect sharp criticism of his past. that's not likely, with debates looming next week. biden's new plan walks away from many of the approaches he championed a generation ago in helping to pass the 1994 crime bill. the mandatory minimum sentences in that package are now blamed for mass incarceration. biden's hope, when rivals criticize his past, he can steer the conversation to the future. >> no mandatory minimums, the end of private prison, additional funding for drug courts, bail reform, mandatory treatment, not jail for those with drug addiction. decriminalizing marijuana, expunging records for marijuana conviction. job training, education while you're in prison.

i believe my criminal justice reform package is as strong or stronger than anyone else. >> now, can he sell it in a way that doesn't make people forget, no one will forget the 1990s and the crime bill so important in democratic politics right now. okay, he gets it now, he's with us. >> that's the big question. he's going to be challenged on this almost immediately during these debates. you see senator cory booker coming out with tweets saying don't show us what you want to do, talk about what you've done the past 40 years. so his record on the crime bill will be challenged and he'll face a lot of scrutiny from other democrats within his party and also from republicans who are using this to sort of try to pull off some of the african-american vote saying, you know, president trump passed the first step act. you compare that to maybe senator kamala harris, who as a prosecutor, compare that to joe biden who helped pass the 1994 crime bill. so he's going to be facing challenges from both his left and his right and it will be

very difficult for him to defend himself. we'll see next week. >> and he'll be center stage, wednesday is biden's night with booker on one side, harris on the other. last time was more race and segregation and busing issues. to your point about senator booker, who on television has thought been on biden's face. we'll see how it plays out on the debate stage. here's the tweet. it's not enough to tell us what you're going to do for your communities, show us what you've done for the last 40 years. you created this system. we'll dismantle it. so no forgiveness there. biden's point is that was what mayors were demanding. that's what a lot of community groups were demanding. the country had a crack epidemic. and biden's point is washington did what the country wanted. he can say we overshot on a number of areas. >> one thing biden does need to do effectively is showing that he's going to do in the future.

that's something he hasn't done well, whether it's the anita hill hearings or his position on the hyde amendment. he's gone back and forth. the matchup i'm looking for is booker and biden. i know there's a lot of talk %-pe with guns ablazing. he didn't have a chance to take him on in the last debates and i think kamala harris has given a green light to go after biden on issues like this one. >> that's what plays such a factor in this. it's not just these issues, they see she successfully went after him and it shot her up nationally. they saw that it worked to go on offense against this person who is seen as the front-runner. the question is if other candidates start to do that or try to wait and let someone else take the more moderate candidate down and they try to take that space. but that's certainly going to be something you see people try to capitalize on is that kamala harris/joe biden moment. >> and he did not have a good first round and he better prove, has to prove in this debate or else he'll keep coming down that

he can be more active and engaging with his rivals. he's planted a flag on health care and now on criminal justice reform. to booker's point, booker is saying you did this in the past, i'm not going to forgive you. that's a dangerous place to be in politics. every politician makes mistakes. every politician has times change, things change. senator harris is introducing with chairman nadler a new bill to decriminalize marijuana. row move marijuana from the controlled substances act, resentence and expunge past and pending convictions. a whole number of issues there. this for her is a flip. when she was a prosecutor in san francisco, she had a much different view. she opposed a california ballot initiative to make more lenient marijuana laws. so a lot of politicians change. >> they do. and one of the -- one of the things that appeals to voters when candidates go after their support is not just to sort of focus on the substantive issue, whatever it is, in this case crime, but to call into question

the person's judgment, right? that's ultimately what cory booker is saying about biden is whatever the context of the situation, you applied a set of judgment and set of decisions to a problem and came out on the wrong side. and i would have better judgment. and oftentimes candidates with less of a kind of record are able to kind of skate across that because they don't have the kind of decades-long record that people can examine. now with kamala harris, she does have a record in california that people can look at and compare what she did, but nobody's record is as long as joe biden's. he's going to be put in this position not only in the substance of it but ultimately on the question of, you know, you -- this was your judgment. joe biden's best judgment at the time was that this was the direction to go. we all look back now and say that was wrong. >> it will be interesting to see. >> just real quickly, one thing that the biden camp says is don't forget that joe biden was

the vice president to obama for eight years. don't erase that part of my record. that also includes some criminal justice reform issues as well. >> we'll see if he's more nimble in defending his past, getting to obama and looking to the future. that was what was missing, the nimble on the debate stage but maybe it was a litte rusty. relief for the bernie sanders' campaign after a big internal dispute over money. ♪ how do you like it ♪ ♪ more, more, more ♪ how do you like it, how do you like it ♪ all you can eat is back. how do you like that? applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. let's see, aleve is than tylenol extra strength. and last longer with fewer pills. so why am i still thinking about this? i'll take aleve. aleve. proven better on pain.

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three names. these four people, the squad. by calling them out, because we don't like when they talk about evil jews. >> that's the president last hour. a summit of teenagers, teenagers here in washington. members of the squad did not use the term, ilhan omar did not use the term evil jews. she talked about evil action by the israeli government. but the president has decided a week ago sunday, a racist tweet, escalated this fight with the squad. he clearly thinks he's going to keep going. >> you rarely see an issue that this president holds on to for over a week but he's grabbed onto this issue. his past tweets haven't been getting as much traction. he saw that this tweet last sunday did get a lot of traction and did allow him to dominate the news cycle so that's why he's leaning into this, spending time at rallies and rally-like

events talking about the squad, even though they are just four freshmen members of congress. the presidencies them as a foil. the reason that he's still talking about them shows he's digging in on this. >> and he's making the political strategy plainly obvious, pointing out that ilhan omar is from minnesota, a state that he lost by about 45,000 points in 2016, a state he's told people he wants to win in 2020 andra she had -- rashida tlaib is from michigan. he's tapping into the fact maybe they're not as popular outside of the cities or districts they're from and he wants to capitalize on that. >> it would be interesting if he would debate them on policy. he suggested that tlaib was not sane. i don't think that's a policy fight. keeping count of the president's latest false statements. my experience with usaa

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welcome back. important news just in off capitol hill. the senate voting 90-8 to confirm mark es per as the new defense secretary. now a very important number, 61. keep that number in mind, 61. that's how many false claims president trump made last week through sunday. 22 at a campaign rally in north carolina, 15 in a meeting with his cabinet, 6 on twitter and 5 while speaking to reporters on

the white house grounds. here's just a small sample. >> why would honduras or guatemala or el salvador, why would they keep their criminals when you can put them into the caravan, lose them in a caravan and send them up to the united states. unemployment among hispanic americans where we're doing really well. you know why? because they want a strong border. they want it because they understand the border better than anybody. they want that strong border. they want that wall. >> cnn's daniel dale and his team compiled all those false claims. daniel is with me now. let's go through some of these. you rank them on cnn.com. i urge everybody to read the whole piece. it gives you a much better perspective of the problem. most egregious claim last week, the president talking about congresswoman ilhan omar. >> she said you could hold your

chest out. you can -- when i think of america, huh. when i think of al qaeda, i can hold my chest out. they can't call our country and our people garbage. they can't be anti-semitic. they can't talk about evil jews, which is what they say, evil jews. >> why do you rank that as most egregious. >> the president was making false claims to baselessly smear members of congress as people who call jews evil, which ilhan omar never did. and someone who sympathized or even praised a terrorist group, which she never did. so there's some false claims trump makes that are little exaggerations that really don't hurt anyone except for the truth, but in this case he was essentially slandering a fellow elected official. >> he certainly was. embellishment of the week. the president tweeting on july 17th. after a 10-year search, the mastermind of the mumbai terror attacks has been arrested in pakistan.

great pressure has been exerted over the past two years to find him. why is that an embellishment. >> this is trump playing the conquerer in chief. this is funny to pakistanis because he has been living openly in pakistan for years. he's been repeatedly arrested and released. he gives interviews, sermons, press conferences, so there was no bin laden-style hunt for this man who was living quite happily in pakistan. another big issue is the president, first he signalled these dramatic i.c.e. raids were going to begin. they were supposed to happen on sunday. then last week the president said they happened and they were hugely successful. >> the i.c.e. raids were very successful. i went to -- i spoke to the head of i.c.e. i spoke to a couple of people. we had many people -- it was a very successful day. >> very successful. i.c.e. says 35 people have been arrested in an operation that was to target, i think, about

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it was a privilege. >> changing of the guard, an important one in great britain today. that's boris johnson right there, newly elected conservative party leader, praising the predecessor he often criticized. johnson takes over tomorrow as the prime minister. theresa may making her exit after failing to break the deadlock over brexit, the uk's departure from the european union. johnson getting plenty of cheers and laughs in that victory speech. he's compared to president trump because of his brash style, controversial comments and interesting hair. president trump tweeting johnson will be great. that's shortly after his lopsided win over his last rival, jeremy hunt. several cabinet ministers have already vowed to resign once he becomes prime minister. as foreign secretary under may johnson was a hard-line brexiteer helping sway public opinion three years ago today. he said he's prepared to leave the eu, deal or no deal. >> i renew the mantra of the

campaign that has just gone by. in case you've forgotten it, you probably have. it is deliver brexit, unite the country and defeat jeremy corbyn. deliver, unite and defeat was not the perfect acronym for an election campaign since unfortunately it spells dud. but they forgot the final "e," my friends, e for energize. and i say -- i say to all the doubters, dude, we are going to energize the country. we're going to get brexit done on october 31st. >> cnn diplomatic analyst, retired rear admiral john kirby joins me. you met him several times. he's entertaining, he is colorful, he is brash and he is different. can he get this done? >> he's going to have a very difficult time getting much of anything done, john, because he has a razor-thin majority in parliament and he knows that. and most of even the

conservative mps are against a no-deal brexit so he's got a really tough way to go here on this. now, i wouldn't be surprised at all if he takes the opposition's call for a general election up and calls their bluff on it to try to expand that majority. >> the opposition today, they don't like boris johnson. they said let's have new general elections. theresa may is gone, we don't like this. you think he's brash enough to say let's do it. >> i think he's willing to take that gamble. he is not afraid of those kinds of risks. he knows he doesn't have the majority he needs to get anything done. nigel farage and the brexit party polled at 20% recently. if he can partner with them he can build out a bigger majority going into the end of the year. >> obviously he was a leading voice for brexit, which president trump leaned into several times, so a lot of people say his style, you look at him, that he's a trumpie. is he? >> he's not. he and donald trump are aligned

on brexit but not much eelse. johnson was against the united states pulling out of the iran deal. he is in favor of a two-state solution in the middle east. he was aghast when donald trump announced a muslim travel ban. this is not a man who is aligned with donald trump on all foreign policy issues. so if trump thinks it's going to be an easy go with boris johnson on these kinds of things, i think he's got something coming. >> i want to ask you a separate question. the president was sitting in the oval office yesterday with the prime minister of pakistan. he said he was willing to mediate kashmir, a long-running dispute between india and pakistan and he said the indian prime minister, mr. modi, asked him to do that. the indian government came back with a slap back and said, no, we did not. what's that about? >> it's been long-standing policy between those two countries that they want it resolved bilaterally. and it's been american policy for a long time to help them solve it but not to mediate it. not to be in the middle of it. so i foundi found it amazing th would suggest such a thing.

i'm glad that the indians came out to denounce it right away. it's been long standing policy and we have long believed they should settle in bilaterally. india and pakistan need to be the ones solving it. >> another thing that jumped off the tail at me today was reports that russian and chinese bombers were flying joint missions in asia and the south koreans were alarmed, the japanese were alarmed. what's this about? >> and shots were fired. that is very rare on air-to-air intercepts. i think it's about two things. i think the russians were trying to pull out and get some intel on the south korean air defense systems because one of the russian aircraft was a reconnaissance aircraft, a surveillance aircraft. number two, i think putin and xi are trying to draw out tensions between japan and south korea, economic tensions and some social-political -- these islands they flew over are claimed by both countries so they're trying to extrapolate and to play on some of those tensions. >> more than a little interesting. alarming. >> it was very dangerous. >> admiral kirby, appreciate your coming in.

thank you for joining us. hope to see you back here tomorrow. busy day in the news, stay with us. brianna keilar starts right now. have a great afternoon. i'm brianna keilar live from cnn's washington headquarters. under way right now, stay in your lane, the justice department warns robert mueller ahead of his blockbuster hearing, but will democrats try to push him out of it? and talk is cheap suggests one senator who will stand next to joe biden at next week's debate, as the former vice president unveils a criminal justice reform plan. plus, the president of the united states talks about genocide as a way to win the war in afghanistan, and now afghanistan is demanding he clear it up. also, is today the day the tea party died? why the concerns over the government's new budget deal are not as loud as before.