welcome to "inside politics," i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. the american jobs machine is humming. 164,000 new jobs last month and a jobless rate of just 3.7%, but the markets are worried and there is an election year risk of a slowdown, especially as the president slaps new tariffs on china. plus, does majority rule in the democratic party? the count of house democrats calling for impeachment is raising a big question for speaker nancy pelosi. and the next phase for the 2020 democrats, those at the bottom of the pack struggling to meet the tougher criteria for the next debate. as they try, some also trying to clean up past statements that could prove an obstacle to winning more support. clinically depressed people are not depressed just because the world is depressing. they've a chemical imbalance. >> excuse me, but you are the one making some blanket

statements here that there is no particular scientific evidence to prove. you are talking about clinical depression as though there is a blood test. >> we begin the hour with strong jobs numbers and what they mean for you and for the presidential election just ahead. 164,000 new jobs added to the economy in july. the unemployment rate holding steady at 3.7%. both strong numbers in an economic report and in a re-election campaign ad. the president keeps pushing the fed to cut interest rates because he thinks that would make them even stronger, yet his new threat of more china tariffs could stall it. more on the politics in a moment. christine romans first with the numbers. >> john, really a fascinating little piece of economic data given where we are right now with tariffs and the fed cutting interest rates this week. 164,000 net new jobs. that is exactly what our forecast from economists predicted, but look at may and june. those were revised slightly lower. when you broaden it out and look

at the year, this is a year that is running slower jobs growth than we saw last year. so the economy is still growing, companies are still hiring, but not as briskly as last year and in prior years. 3.7% is the unemployment rate, exactly where it has been stuck right there, about 370,000 people entered the workforce. you want to see that. you want to see that because that means people out there who had left and weren't even looking for work, hadn't been working in some years, are trying to come back in and get a job so we like to see that. what about sectors? again, fascinating for all of the political reasons. a lot of the job growth, almost all the job growth you've seep this year have been in service jobs, not in making stuff. not in manufacturing but in service jobs. business information services, about a third of this jobs growth has been in computer systems designers, health care always a strong grower. manufacturing 16,000. the government going out of its way to point out in this report today that essentially manufacturing is little changed in july and for the year. job gains in this industry last

year averaged more like 20,000, 25,000, so a stall in manufacturing. overall here i think you're seeing a really fascinating moment because you had the fed cut interest rates this week to protect the economy against the possibility that trump's tariffs and trade war would hurt the economy. then the president announces more tariffs. we're seeing job growth stall already this summer. it's going to be really interesting fall, john. >> really interesting to say the least. christine romans, thanks. especially with a presidential race in full swing, that makes it even more interesting. this from the incumbent just last night in ohio. >> ohio is doing better today than it's ever, ever, ever done before. it's the best it's ever done. so what's going to do, a guy like sleepy joe biden is going to come in and say but i can do better. i can do better. he wants to go back to sleep. >> with me to share their

reporting and insights, dana bash, carl hulse, anna swanson and eliana johnson with politico. let's pop up and look at the markets. you get a great jobs report and then see the markets down. that is 219. it was down by more than 300 not all that long ago, so it's a better number even though it's a bad number, if you will. that is you get a great jobs report. the american economy is humming along, but, that's the but, right, the tariffs? >> that's right, i think so. overall it was a really solid report, plenty for the president to brag about with the unemployment rate near a 50-year low. but there still are some worrying signs, there's a but. manufacturing, construction and mining jobs so far this year are less than half of what they were last year, so there is some evidence that the trade war is having its effect. i don't think this report is going to change anyone's mind about where they thought the economy was last week. overall it might be kind of the least interesting thing that happened this week in a pretty wild week of economic news where the fed cut rates for the first

time since 2008 and you had these massive new china tariffs. that's a $30 billion new tax that the president has announced. >> and so again, the base numbers, the numbers most people process quickly, unemployment rate, jobs growth. if you're the president running for re-election, that is candy. any president running for re-election, you're thrilled with that. but to the warning signs, july's employment report shows factory jobs continue to underperform in 2019 compared to last year. the slowing economy is contributed to this underperformance, but the administration has also committed some serious unforced errors. we want to see a surge in restoring manufacturing job but the administration's policies have fallen short of getting us there. this is a question, you talk especially about the tariffs, where political advisers would say, mr. president, back off. save this for a second term. if you win a second term, back off. you've got this golden economy right now, why mess with it? and yet just yesterday he says i'm going to do it. >> i think there are dueling

impulses for the president. the first is to keep the economy strong. obviously that's what he's heard a lot of from his advisers but he's got another set of advisers who are china hawks. and the president along with campaigning on improving the economy campaigned on resetting our relationship with china. that's something he hasn't achoo achieved yet. he's got the economic achievements, but i think he does risk going into the 2020 campaign without having success really resetting this relationship with china. i think he did want to show that he does mean what he says when it comes to china and to show president xi, who didn't come through on the agreements that he had said he agreed to buy an enormous number of american manufacturing goods and didn't come through on his promise, that he's going to retaliate if the chinese don't meet their end of the bargain. >> and if that happens, we go through this and the president

believes it's the thing to do, he has said the american economy is strong enough to take the hit. but in an election year, who would be taking that hit? that's the consumer going to walmart or any box store buying things, is that the american farm or more manufacturing hits? >> i think it's all of the above. so the newest round of tariffs that the president put on does hit everyday consumer items, your phones, toys, baby goods, so it's only a 10% tariff but those costs are going to be filtering through to the american economy. at the same time, farmers are clearly hurting. that's why president trump was pressing china so hard to get those agricultural purchases. the chinese say they never actually agreed in osaka to make those purchases so it seems like that was a bit of a bluff with the president to try to get them to follow through and they're not so far bending to what he wants them to do. >> it's a fascinating question and you got a flavor of this the other night. how do the democrats deal with this in the sense that if there is a turndown we're in a different environment. if you have one, then you're in a different political environment. if you don't, 3.7% unemployment,

164,000 new jobs. that's hard to beat, whether the president is a democrat or republican, whether he's donald trump or anybody. that is hard to beat an incumbent president if you're humming along like that. here's one of the democratic arguments and you had a little bit of this in the debate. democrats all say this all started under obama and they are right. let's show you the last 30 months of president obama and the first 30 months of president trump. 6.6 million jobs created in the last 30 months of the obama administration. 5.7 million created in the first -- so the president would have you believe the economy was dead the day he took office. he inherited a humming economy. >> sure did. >> from the obama administration. the tax cuts at least temporarily juiced up the jobs growth. can the democrats win that argument, it was just as good under obama, therefore, it's not you? >> no. they can't. that's not the way politics work. that's not the way voters' psyche and their voting habits tend if you look at history. obviously the president blew up

history, so who knows. but people -- it takes a lot to want to fire a president for the second term. and it's even harder when a president is presiding over -- we can argue about who's responsible for it, but presiding over a very good economy. so what you heard from democrats, and you're going to continue to hear it even louder is a very similar argument that we heard from the president when the economy was doing very, very well at the end of the obama years, which is are you feeling it? r are you feeling it? are you feeling it? no, you're not. you're not a part of the middle class like you should be. that's what you hear from bernie sanders and elizabeth warren but you're also hearing it from other democratic candidates who aren't as progressive. to say you're hearing about all this great news, but how is it going to affect you? i can help that. >> some of you are working two or three jobs or can't afford college for your kids or run up a lot of debt, that's an argument that you can make. as the democrats try to make this case, difficult if these numbers stay so strong for the president, they have their own

debates about trade, about tariffs and the like. >> vice president biden, would you rejoin the transpacific partnership, which president trump withdrew from? please respond. >> i'd renegotiate it. >> we're going to negotiate our deals with unions at the table, with small businesses at the table, with small farmers at the table, with environmentalists at the table, with human rights activists at the table. >> i think we need some targeted response against china. but you know how you beat china? you outcompete them. that's why i put a chief manufacturing officer in place to make sure that we rebuild the manufacturing base. >> some of the democrats are just as skeptical whether it's the old nafta or the new usmca the president is trying to pass, they have their own issues on these economic issues. >> they have always been resistant to these trade deals. that's what's so interesting about the president. he's turned the party's philosophy on this on its head. i think to her point earlier, there are a lot of jobs out there but they're not all great

jobs and manufacturing jobs so that's where you're getting do you feel it. i think the economy for trump, it's always huge for presidents, i think it's even bigger for trump. when people say they're uncomfortable with the president and the way he acts, they say i'm going to put up with that for the economy. if the economy does something different, then they say, you know what, it's not worth the trade-off. >> without a doubt. his approval rating on the economy runs way ahead of his approval rating overall. that is the raft holding him up. up next, a house republican retiring at age 41. what does will hurd's decision not to run say about the party's diversity problem? grab some pens. would shakespeare have chosen just "some pens?" methinks a tul pen would serve m'lady well. thanks. and a unicorn notebook! get everything on your list. this week's doorbuster- school backpacks for $10; $10 in store or online from the advisors at office depot officemax. we switched ifrom ford.from dodge. i switched from ram. i switched to chevy. we switched to chevy. we switched to chevy. for dependability. for technology. for the muscle.

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olay. face anything. will hurd, the only black republican in the house, says he won't run again next november. hurd never won his district by more than 3,000 votes and a 2020 win would have been tough, but add him to the list, the eighth house republican now to announce retirement plans. in hurd's case, it adds to a growing house gop diversity crisis. also on that list are two of the only 13 house republican women. as politico observed this morning, quote, there are more men named jim in the house than republican women running for re-election. ouch. just two weeks ago on cnn hurd had a very blunt warning for his party. >> i'm the only black republican in the house of representatives. i go into communities that most republicans don't show up in order to take a conservative message. and when you have this being the debate, that activity becomes

even harder. and the only way -- you know, i'm from texas and i always say if the republican party in texas doesn't start looking like texas, there won't be a republican party in texas. and i think that goes for the rest of the country. >> in the middle when will hurd said this stuff going on right now, he means the president's tweets attack democratic congressmen and women of color and he's a republican trying to go into communities to make the case vote republican in a community of color and essentially getting laughed at. >> reporter:. >> will hurd was one of the four members of congress who condemned the president's tweets. i think it's interesting what this means for the future of the republican party, what this means for their recruitment efforts this cycle and beyond. are they going to be able to get more women, more people of color. he was the only black person of color and so what happens to those recruitment efforts. what happens to the other two

republicans, one of them has also said she's retiring who also condemned the president's tweets. so i think we might see more republicans announcing that they're going to decide to reti retire. >> i talked to someone who said by the end of the year it could be 20. what does this tell you? they tasted the majority, the majority is great and the minority sucks and they don't like it, number one. but it's more than that. a lot of them are small government conservatives who believe in things that they're not going to get any action on. one with speaker pelosi but two with president trump. he doesn't push an agenda that's anything like what they believe. if you look at the margins, rob woodall isnn georgia, that was close election. will hurd, very close election. but some of these are very big pro republican seats. probably safe. a republican will probably win them again if you look at those margins or can win them again. but they're leaving why?

because it's no fun, a lot of complaining about the president. a lot complaining about kevin mccarthy, he doesn't stand up to the president. >> the minority is not a fun place to be in the house. tom cole has talked about this with me in the past. you don't control anything. another retirement, susan brooks from indiana, the woman recruiter left. they have had a primary where there's women's groups that came and tried to push a woman through a primary down in north carolina. the freedom caucus leaders opposed her and backed the man who won. i think they have real trouble here. here a congressman from texas saying there might not be a republican party in texas, hard to imagine. but i think this is going make it much easier for the democrats to hold the house. these open seats are the best place to go. so you can almost look down the road right now and say dems hold. >> and to your point, i just want to show this other graphic

of women in the house of representatives. you see right here. there are 89 democratic women. there are 13 republicans. two of them are retiring. >> that's right. >> one of them could run for senate. we don't know if liz cheney made her decision or not there. so 13. you're going through a election cycle where president trump struggles with women. he struggles even more with african-american voters. struggles greatly with latino voters. struggles with any voters. 88% of his vote last time was white. the party is headed off a demographic cliff. >> it absolutely is. the thing about the 13 women right now is that it's not as if republicans didn't run women. there were a lot of female republican retirements in the last cycle, a lot of them. but there were also a lot of republican female candidates and they didn't win. sometimes they didn't win their primaries. i think in most cases they didn't win their primaries because running -- for a republican woman in a lot of these ruby red districts, the game is running -- the game is

winning the primary. they had a lot of trouble for whatever reason, whether it's because of their gender or not. the party itself, the party apparatus itself is not doing a good enough job recruiting these women and making sure that they win. that is not coming from me, that is coming from republican women in congress. >> that's the women themselves saying it. that's why they were furious about that north carolina race. can you at least back off one race, we need to make gains here. >> a republican woman running in a primary has a far lower chance of succeeding than a democratic woman. and i think there's frustration that across the republican party the leaders, and this means elected leaders but also outside groups, have not come together to say we're all onboard with trying to recruit more women and clear the lanes in some of these primaries to get them in congress and then to support them once they're there. >> just a coincidence, the leaders of most of those groups and organizations are white men.

can you connect those dots? coming up, the race for the next debate is on for democrats, but a few candidates still struggling with issues and statements from their past. if you have moderate to severe psoriasis,

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make it so far. 20, you recall, one person at the table better than others, 20 made this week's cnn debates but the polling and donor bars are higher for the third round. there are a handful of democratic campaign events between now and then including an event in nevada, the iowa state fair and the democratic iowa wing ding dinner. a few chances for the lower tier contenders to perhaps move the polling numbers. this is crunch time for these. you had 20 over two nights. it's possible we'll get to ten or fewer. with eight leads you to believe we'll probably get slightly over ten, but you've got ten, 15 candidates if you count the candidates who didn't make this debate thinking, okay, what do i have to do to get 130,000 donors and get up to 2% in four polls. >> you could really see that in this debate because those candidates who were struggling to make the next round were really eager to make their mark in this round. in some cases did some damage to

the top tier contenders who are already qualified for the next round of debates. in particular, tulsi gabbard with her jab at kamala harris over the number of people imprisoned in california during her tenure as attorney general there i think really stood out, and then tulsi gabbard coming around after the debate making a push to qualify for the next debate partly on the grounds of that jab that she made at kamala. >> she tweeted this morning, she's above 128,000 donors so she's closing in on 130. then you have to be at 2% in the polls. they're going on television to try to make their case. they're sometimes changing their tone when they realize something i said in the past could be an obstacle to me getting the money to come in or getting higher in the polls. here's tulsi gabbard with anderson cooper after talking about bashar al assad. >> if voters are wondering what is your take on bashar al assad, what do you say? >> my take is one of a soldier

where i've seen the cost of war firsthand. >> do you consider him a torturer and murderer? >> that's not what this is about. i don't defend or apologize or have anything to do with what he has done to his own people. >> but just on a factual basis, bashar al assad is a murderer and a torturer. do you not agree with that? >> i don't dispute that. >> don't dispute that. it took several questions to get to that. last night with cnn's chris cuomo, notice the different tone. >> he's a brutal dictator, just like saddam hussein, just like gadhafi in libya. i will never apologize to anyone for doing all that i can to prevent more of my brothers and sisters in uniform to being sent to harm's way to fight in these wasteful counterproductive regime change wars even if it means meeting with a brutal dictator. >> she flipped it. she flipped it and saying it's okay to meet with assad as long as you say he's a brutal dictator and a murderer. why did it take so long to get

there? >> so gabbard currently has only made the qualifications for the dnc debate in one poll, so she's close to the 130,000 mark but she still needs to go out there and convince people that she is a credible candidate. i think that was part of that. she needs to qualify for this debate because if she doesn't, we will have a bunch of these candidates still trying to make this electability argument to voters. but if they don't qualify, that argument will become even harder to ma one strategist yesterday who said that they'll be at the kids table but there won't be a table, they'll be eating on the floor. so that's the hard argument to make. >> i hope the catering is good. look, the longer some of these candidates -- especially when you have 20 plus candidates in the race, the media starts to give scrutiny to those candidates at the top of the polls. kamala harris' record in california, joe biden's history. the lower tier candidates sometimes get a pass. the longer they're in the race, they get more scrutiny. marianne williamson, the

spiritual book author who's been in the race, these are some of the past things that she has said about depression. this is going back to june 2016. the answer to depression is more scientific research. only if you think of it simply as a biomedical term. the medicalization of depression is a creation of the medical industry. for millenia it was seen as a spiritual disease and fom of us it still is. june 2018. there was no stigma to depression until it was mad c medicalized. most antidepressants are being described by doctors who aren't mental health professionals and many times when people are sad. there's no blood test for clinical depression. last night she went on with anderson cooper and he pressed on this. >> when we go through a divorce, when we have a pain over a breakup, when someone that we love has died, when we have been through a financial loss or failure, there is value sometimes in feeling the sadness, feeling that dark night of the soul. so what i speak to is notimes h

that is looked at. you know, anderson -- >> you said it was a women in america are prescribed their antidepressants by their gynecologists? if somebody is helped by an antidepressant, i'm happy for them. >> she tweeted today, let's make it clear, let's state it again, i'm pro medicine, i'm pro science. so she's trying to move to a different place. >> listen, there is a real debate in the medical community, in the therapy community, about whether or not there is too much antidepressant prescriptions happening for women and men. but to have that be where you're leading as a candidate for president is not necessarily, you know, ideal. >> that's also not what she said at all. >> okay, it's not ideal. but my point is that this is what happens when you are a private citizen making money and

making your name genuinely as somebody who people look to for guidance on these kinds of things. and this is also what happens when you realize politics ain't bean bag and she obviously wants and needs attention to keep going, to keep her race viable, but that does mean that these statements are fair game for not just journalists but for her competitors when and if they believe that she is worthy of attacking on these things. >> when and if. you know, people laugh sometimes at the candidates at the bottom. every nikki haley has a blunt message for her former boss, the president. . . shocked. i'm from cameroon, congo, and...the bantu people. new features. greater details. richer stories. get your dna kit today at ancestry.com. crabfest is back at red lobster with 9 craveable crab creations. like crab lover's dream with crab...crab... and more crab.

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topping our political radar today, the new york city police department has suspendied officr daniel pantaleo after it was recommended he be terminated. he was caught on video in 2014 putting 24-year-old eric garner in what appears to be a choke hold. garner was unharmed and repeatedly told the officer he could not breathe. the nypd commissioner will make the final call about his career. he's been on desk duty since the death and protesters have called for his firing. senate democrats vowing to stop congressman john ratcliffe from being confirmed as the next director of national intelligence. this comes among questions about whether he exaggerated his resume about being a prosecutor working on terrorism cases. cnn's search of court cases did not find any terrorism cases ratcliffe was listed as prosecuting. scary news out of baltimore.

a criminal tried to break into the home of democratic congressman elijah cummings. it happened just before 4:00 a.m. this past saturday. the congressman chased the intruder away pie yelling. the president adding his sarcastic two cents this morning. quote, really bad news. too bad. that from the president. he of course has repeatedly attacked cummings starting last saturday after the attempted robbery calling baltimore infested with little pushback from republicans. this morning one trump former cap net official rolling her eyes. nikki haley retweeting with this reaction, this is so un necessary. the president has repeatedly attacked baltimore the past week including calling it infested. last night he blamed democrats for inner city problems. >> no one has paid a higher price for the far left's destructive agenda than americans living in our nation's inner cities. it's been one party control and look at them.

we can name one after another, but i won't do that. because i don't want to be controversial. we want no controversy. >> this is so unnecessary from nikki haley, the former u.n. ambassador, south carolina governor, a woman with a future in republican politics. what do we make of that? >> that is really noteworthy, i think, because we've either seen republicans queue closely to the president and act like lackeys or seen them make breaks and write tell-all books or break with him completely like rex tillerson or john kelly who really hasn't said anything but we know they didn't leave on great terms. nikki haley is making a middle path where she is supportive of the president but also makes her own views known at strategic times like this, when i think she thinks most americans are sort of disgusted by what the president is saying.

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speaker nancy pelosi now and her growing math problem. there are 235 house democrats and 117 of them are now in a place the speaker does not want to go, as in 117 who now say they support opening an impeachment inquiry against president trump. there are 235 house democrats, so the math is pretty simple. the next one to join the impeachment call to mean a majority of pelosi's caucus disagrees with the speaker's position. two more added their names yesterday. more than 20 have come out for impeachment since robert mueller, the former special counsel, testified. so in the upper case d democratic party, will lower case d democracy rule? >> that's a good question and a great way to put it. look, with each other, never mind the majority of the majority, as denny hastert used to say, it gets harder for nancy pelosi to say no. and the question on the table

isn't are we going to impeach this guy. the question on the table is are we going to at least begin an inquiry into impeaching him. now, having said that, we know how it works. it's hard to stop a train in motion, particularly when it's a political train in the house of representatives when they're hearing from their constituents and the grassroots. you've got to keep this thing going. one of the questions on the table was when the house members went home, would there be loud calls and would the numbers start to creep up or not? and at least slowly the answer is yes. >> and progress ives are trying to push that. they have #impeachmentaugust and are listing all the town halls and trying to get their activists to go out and say go out, push, push and push. here's the thing that has kept the speaker where she is. these are the 44 democrats that the democrats own campaign committee use as most vulnerable in 2020. only 18% of them, meaning eight.

eight of the 44 are in favor of impeachment. 82% of them, the rest, the bulk, are like please, please, i've got to go home and run in a district where the president is strong and might win my district in 2020. will she continue. her position has been they matter more. can she stay there if a majority of her members say we want to go forward. >> i think she will try to. i think 218 is still the number two in the house. you have to have the votes if you're going to go ahead and do this. i think that you're seeing a lot of reaction to pressure, exactly what you said. they're feeling it a little bit. we'll see what happens. nancy pelosi wanted to get to this six-week recess and let some of the air out of this. so if they can put pressure on at home, maybe they'll be successful. i still say it's so risky to do a partisan impeachment. the clinton impeachment inquiry, 31 democrats voted with the republicans. so nancy pelosi is thinking, wow, we're going to go and do this on a straight party line

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a little campaign reality check here. six months to the iowa caucuses, barely a blip in the polls despite months of campaigning, desperate for a breakthrough. >> we need a nominee who will take on the big fights and win. we need a nominee who doesn't know the meaning of impossible. >> if you follow past campaigns, you know how this movie ends, almost always. >> i need to respond to that. >> michelle, michelle. >> i understand. i understand. you have the next question. you have the next question, senator. i promise. >> no, rick santorum did not win the republican nomination in 2012 but he did win the iowa caucuses despite a very bleak early outlook. take a look here at the polling. six months out from the iowa caucuses, santorum at 4%. even two months out he had barely moved in the polls. >> so the fact that someone is

for one candidate or not, our 5% is solid and building. we feel like we have a great grassroots team here, we've spent the time, people have kicked the tires. we feel a buzz out here. we feel our campaign will do much, much better than those polls indicate. >> he did do much, much better eking out an iowa win over eventual nominee mitt romney. senator santorum is now with us. i wanted to have you here because senator gillibrand, i wasn't trying to beat her up, senator gillibrand, mr. yang, they're all trying to make this decision now. for some of them it's going to be can i go to iowa or new hampshire and camp out and somehow get from 2% to whatever the victory line or at least top two or three is. can they? what do they have to do? >> hypothetically they can. i just think it's tougher in this case and it's tougher because of a couple of reasons. in republican primaries, already lots of lanes.

there's the establishment lane, there's the social conservative lane, there's the libertarian lane, there's the populist lane, which donald trump -- in the democratic party there's two lanes. and so there's just a lot more people in each lane. and it just makes it a lot harder. i would say that it's possible, but again, the fact that there's so many candidates. when i ran, there were seven or eight and you got on the stage. now half the folks may be off the stage. very hard to make a difference if you're not on the stage. >> that's a key point there because you had how many, 18 -- how many debates were there? >> 22 in 2011. >> 22 in 2011. so the democratic national committee has these rules if they're not at 2% in four polls, if you don't have 130,000 unique donors, you're gone in just the third debate, which is next month. >> the republican party had a 1% threshold. i mean they didn't have any donor threshold. so pretty much anybody who was a

legit candidate was in there. and we had an opportunity to make our case. look, you did that interview back in november, i was sitting at 4% in the polls or 5% in the polls and thought i had a chance. the reason i felt i had a chance was because i was still being heard. i was still on the stage. i think the democrats are making a mistake. i know it's a mbig field, but i think trying to narrow it too soon, we're way too far out. i think it's going to hurt some candidates who could be -- you know, could be winners. >> i want to put the vote board up from that note. i know this still burns you in some way. rick santorum wins by 34 votes over mitt romney now in the united states senate, 24.6 to 24.6. it was reported as a tie. a lot of people had romney winning because you passed him in a very late count. >> i lost on election night, i won in the recount. i got no bounce, i was second.

i don't think that's going to happen in this race. but the reality is, to your point, someone in this race is going to connect and have an opportunity in iowa and maybe new hampshire to build a base of support there. and that's really -- i wouldn't give up on those folks. they may get bumps from this next debate, but i would say there's somebody, particularly in the less radical strain, not the sanders/warren lane but more the biden lane. i think biden is going to fall and there's an opportunity for someone to connect in iowa and new hampshire and fill that. >> how do you do it? i saw you a couple of times because you kept saying you're starting to feel it. >> 385 town hall meetings. >> there weren't a lot of reporters around. but 385 you say. you went to all 99 counties. you didn't have much money. >> no money. >> the republican coalition is a little different from the democratic coalition but if you're andrew yang watching or governor inslee watching and

thinking do i take this chance, how do you do it? >> well, connecting with people. that's it. in iowa and new hampshire you have the opportunity to actually run almost like a congressional race for president and connect with enough people. what happened to us, and this is the difference, what happened to us is we were -- people liked us, but no one two months out was going to vote for us because they didn't think we could win. and so it's a matter of getting the momentum at the right time. we got it the last few weeks. someone is going to have an opportunity. as these candidates get beat up and falter, someone will have an opportunity, they just have to hang around long enough to get it. >> fight for it too. >> fight for it. >> you look great in a suit but maybe they should get a sweater vest. >> worked for me. >> pamela brown is in for brianna keilar. she starts right now. have a great day.

i'm pamela brown in for brianna keilar. under way right now, the president may be gambling with the economy at a precarious time as ominous new signs emerge. fears of a new arms race grow as the u.s. pulls out of a nuclear treaty with russia. kim jong-un keeps launching missiles, but president trump says everything is fine, that his friend won't let him down. plus, the only black republican in the house becomes the eighth republican to head for the exits. and another tragedy for the