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beloved saoirse. authorities have not announced a cause of death. we do know that she struggled with depression. in 2016 she wrote about it bravely. she said my depression took root in my middle school years and will be with me for the rest of my life. i suffered bouts of deep sadness that felt like a heavy boulder on my chest. it's not clear what caused her death. our condolences to the kennedy family. saoirse kennedy was just 22 years old. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time.." >> welcome to "prime time." a majority of house democrats now support an impeachment inquiry. some of the biggest voices in that party are not on board and we have one here tonight,
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congressman gregory meeks, still a holdout along with nancy pelosi who tried to calm her increasingly restless caucus today. the president says it wasn't a wise guy tweet that he put out on the elijah cummings break down. does meeks believe that? even nikki haley is throwing trump shade. and we have news for you in the i can't breathe case of eric garner. will an nypd officer lose his job for losing a choke hold and causing the death of an unarmed black man. should he be fired? it's friday night, what do you say? let's get after it. here's what we know, there are 235 democrats in the house, right? by cnn's count, there are now at least 118 publicly on the record
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supporting an impeachment inquiry. that would be a milestone because it's more than half. but it will take more, like what? the weight of senior members with gravitas. thanks for being here. let's get after it. what is the case against? >> no one wants to get rid of the guy that's the occupant of 1,600 pennsylvania avenue right now more than me and i'm sure speaker pelosi and others. we need to make sure we dot our is and cross our ts and get all of the evidence so when we do impeach, if we get to that impeachment point, we can make sure he's also convicted. look, what's actually happening now is very similar to what would take place in an impeachment inquiry anyways. >> nadler says there is one
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going on. >> semantics to one extent. the judiciary committee is doing its investigations. i sit on the financial services committee. we're doing an investigation. i also sit on the foreign affairs committee. it's continuing its investigation. elijah cummings is doing what he has to do. so the investigation to get the evidence that's necessary so that you can prosecute a case is continuing and moving on right now. >> you think it hurts you if you cannot deliver on this and is that why it's being done in more of a circumspect approach. >> i'm a former prosecutor. i've seen cases where individuals were quick to indict, did not do all of their research, homework first and an individual got off as a result of it. >> you're going to lose the case anyway. unlike in a courtroom, this is just votes, congressman, and
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with all due respect, and i mean that, we've been saying that a lot these days, nobody ever means it when they say it, that's not the case here. the house looks for the facts and the senate tries the case. you're going to lose in the senate. that could be a vote of conscious, but your job is to put together the facts in the house. that's called an impeachment inquiry. i don't understand the case of investigating to figure out whether or not you have enough to investigate. that's what it feels like to me. >> what i think is, i think there's things that are so substantial about this president that if we really uncover them, there are many senators that are in close senate races also, and let's confront them with that. for example, if we get his tax returns and we show that his net worth was utilized higher in one place and lower than another so he could get a advantage, that's a violation of the irs law.
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we're looking at his dealings with some of the foreign banks. there could be a crime that's committed therein. and then it goes smack into the face of those senators. and i refer you back to nixon. nixon, the republicans were solidly behind nixon until such time they uncovered something that they hadn't seen before. >> right. and you know this as well, but just for the sake of comparison, it's not apples to apples. you had a smoking gun of tapes that directed a felony that he was not just knowledgeable of but a participant in. you don't have any of that here. >> and we're going to keep digging. if we don't have it, we'll have to make a decision. the one thing i got to make sure that doesn't happen is this guy gets four more years, that we -- you know, i'm sure he would love for us to impeach -- we could impeach tomorrow. that does not remove him from
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office. and we're still going to have to deal with him. >> there's a theory that the word impeachment scares you guys and you feel it divides people, you don't have a consensus in the country and that doesn't make sense. it certainly wouldn't make sense coming from you or pelosi. you have known this is about conviction and upstanding your oath. that's not supposed to be the dictate of what you do in this situation. >> there's so much at stake with this president and what he's done to this country and the scenario that he could put this country into if he's re-elected. this is -- we are on the cusp of really our democracy is at stake, he's a guy that does nothing to stop russia from imposing in our democracy. we've got the graveyard of mcconnell and they seem -- right now my republican colleagues seem to be just doing what he wants. >> but you don't impeach somebody because you don't like how -- >> if we lose the house --
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>> you're not supposed to go after him for any of those reasons. you're supposed to go after him because he broke the law or abused his office. >> exactly right. and it should not be a scenario where it just seems to be like a partisan issue. i want to dig to get the facts. >> isn't that called an impeachment inquiry? >> as i said in the beginning, it's a matter of semantics. >> what are you against, then? >> i think that we need to make sure that we continue to do the work. generally when you have an impeachment inquiry, a lot of the focus shifts to one committee, the judiciary committee -- >> this is about keeping more irons in the fire. >> that's exactly right let me ask you about something else. elijah cummings you know very well and somebody breaks into his house. the president puts out a tweet. really bad news, the baltimore house of elijah cummings was
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robbed. too bad. he says it wasn't a wise guy tweet. he was just repeating what he heard. >> come on. this guy is a terrible, terrible human being and he's unfortunately the president of the united states. >> what do you think his intention was with the tweet? >> it's clearly that he was doing a wise guy tweet about elijah cummings. he was trying to perpetuate what he was saying previously. >> told you it was a bad place. >> it's clear what he's doing. and unfortunately too many people are becoming desensitized because this is what he does and you forget what he did immediately beforehand. >> what do you say to the counter argument, look, elijah cummings said his community is drug-infested. you guys are confusing criticism of conditions that democrats in cities like tha the country have allowed to persist in making it a race issue. >> this president talks about
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certain people in a certain way. i could give you some white communities that are poor and need -- and crime is infested in those areas. he will never -- he's never spoke about those communities in that way. he only directs that type of language to a certain people who happen to be black and brown. that's all. i know that -- >> shouldn't you be talking about that more. these debates the last two days, i'm getting beat up by the left that i'm saying that policy doesn't matter. that's not what i'm saying. the election is not going to be who has a better health care plan. you're not going to beat him on medicare for all. this is about who's us and who's them. and do we include or exclude. and i didn't really hear people, except for marianne williamson, grabbing the passion of that sense of purpose and saying we
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need to come together. >> i think it's got to get there, chris. that. as the number narrows and you have more opportunity to address more issues that that will become very pertinent. right now you have some individuals who feel they've got to attack so that they can stay relevant. >> they've argued biden being racist more than the president? >> yes. those are real republican talking points. >> this is why i wanted to have you here, congressman. people -- they simplify these issues about impeachment. if you believe it, go forward and do it, if not move away from it. so i want them to understand where the bigger voices in the party are and why. thank you for taking the opportunity, i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. as we move forward there are only going to be more
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opportunities. you always have an invitation. appreciate it. more on this issue, just for context. the lone black republican in the house of representatives, think about that for a second, that party had one african-american representative. now he's saying he's not going to seek re-election. his name is will hurd. is that good news for this president, even though hurd has been a critic. what does that mean? our wisdzard of odds has the sty next. the mobile app makes it easy to manage your policy, even way out here. your marshmallow's... get digital id cards, emergency roadside service, even file a... whoa. whoa. whoa. whoa. whoa. whoa! oops, that cheeky little thing got away from me. my bad. geico. it's easy to manage your policy whenever, wherever.
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the republican party had one black member in the house of representatives. now he's done. just two weeks ago, will hurd told christian this. >> i'm the face of the future republican party. >> not anymore because he is now gone and he was the only one and he's in fact the eighth republican to say that he's leaving. those absences leave 186 republicans running for re-election. that group is overwhelmingly one type of person, white men. zero african-americans. the number of women will drop to 13. hispanics, seven.
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asians, one. what do these numbers mean? let's go to the wizard of odds. he's here to show us what diversity or the lack thereof indicates what do you see inside the numbers? >> it's not just about diversity. it's also about the politics of it. you have 30 republicans running for re-election in 2020. there are two republicans running for re-election in trump-won districts. if you believe that republicans in congress haven't been challenging trump enough, now you're really not going to have any republicans challenging trump because there's no electoral incentive for them. all of them are going to be running in districts that trump run and their real chance of losing would be in a primary and that's not the case for hurd or brian fitzpatrick. their allegiance is to trump. >> what do you see when you look at approval numbers?
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>> i think this is -- will hurd is emblematic. among black registered voters, trump's overall approval rating is just 7%. there's not a lot of african-americans who support him. but i think there's -- >> what did you see with the bushes? >> bush was regularly in the teens, actually, which wasn't particularly high. w. in 2004/2005. obviously toward the end of his presidency, it was lower. but of course is in the low to mid-40s and he's all the way down in the level. and it indicates that african-americans aren't behind him. look at this, his approval rating on the economy is 17% among african-americans which is still not great. that's much closer to bush's overall approval rating. the difference is an indication that character is really mattering with african-american voters. they don't like the stuff that he tweets. they don't like the way he
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speaks. >> what dr. king call it had content of your character. what's the shift you see? >> i think this is important as we think towards 2020. one of the big things that occurred between 2012 and 2016 was that african-american voters as their turnout dropped tremendously in the key important swing states, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin. this is the white turnout -- >> how much of this is a function of not having an african-american candidate? >> i think that's part of it. but i have to be honest with you, chris, when i was watching the 2016 campaign and given everything that trump was saying, i was expecting that african-americans would be turned off enough by trump's message that they would turn out. and are african-americans who did not turn out in 2016 so upset that they're going to turn out in 2020. >> what's your last point? >> i think this is -- if african-americans had turned out
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in 2016 the way they turned out in 2012, what we would have seen was these margins in these important states, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, they would have probably lost those states and hillary clinton would have won the presidency. and that's why trump's rhetoric could be so dangerous for his re-election campaign. >> you know who wins? african-american voters. their leaders in those communities, they should be all over the people who want to be president and the sitting president saying, what are you going to do for these communities? just don't trash talk baltimore. what are your solutions for it? i got to jump, harry. >> shalom. >> and with the president not backing down on these attacks, look, you know what the pattern is, he says it to get the effect with his base, and he says, you took it all wrong, it's fake news. what's it going to mean for the gop. it's time for a great debate with these two great men, next.
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way about what he says about black and brown people and where they live. and i can't be that his party doesn't get what he is doing. the question is, will their silence and his lack of silence wind up adding to their determent. that is the start of tonight's great debate. give me a little something. >> that's why you're paid the big money. >> first, to the premise, do you accept the premise of this, that the president knows what he's doing, when he says he's taken out of context, that's having it both ways and the party knows silence is deafening. >> president trump is the president of all americans. i think the republican party is the most diverse party on earth. when i look at the republican party i see every shade of white
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under the son, i see white men, old white men, young white men, white men with facial hair, some white men with fades. i even see some white women. what i don't see are people of color. why? because donald trump is a racist. he's a racist president and he's promoting a white nationalist ideology. you can easily say now, you only have to go back two years to the start of his presidency. the last two weeks, look at what he said, tweeted, look how he sat there for 13 seconds loving that chant "send them back home" and how he attacked baltimore and said the people who live there are basically subhuman and how he on the heels of attacking elijah cummings, too bad his
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house was burglarized. and nikki haley tweeted back at president trump saying this is so unnecessary, emoji. thank you nikki haley, profile in courage. >> i turn to you, basically, a unicorn in your party right now. why are you not offended by what you have to see as this president's pension for division? >> my offended donald trump calling out a district that has been controlled by one party rule for over 50 years and where blacks large -- a large number of blacks are in misery. he didn't call blacks subhuman. he said the conditions are subhuman. >> he's saying no human would live there. >> that's right. and -- >> but they do. >> what he's saying is that the people in that community are trapped and looking for liberation. i saw that cnn poll that the
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wizard of odds brought up, there was a fox news poll and an abc "washington post" poll, no friends of the president that had him at 22% and 18% respectively in the black community during these tweet crisis. if you average all three out, that's about 50% of the black vote. if the president gets anywhere to 15% of the black vote in this election, i think even the heat knows there will be a lot of fire, but there will be a lot of smoke but no fire on the democratic side because trump will go to a resounding landslide re-election. >> let's do a poll. a poll this week came out and said a majority of americans think that donald trump, the president of the united states of america, is a racist. a majority of americans think donald trump is more racist than governor george wallace of alabama. governor george wallace said
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segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. let that sink in -- >> he was a big democrat. >> and you have to ask yourself, and i won't to quote a congressman, why be a chicken for keral sanders. you will be a chicken in the bucket. >> i have a little anecdote. i was sharing a lyft ride that i took the other day with a young african-american male probably around 25, 26 years old and i was asking him how he felt about donald trump and do you believe he's a racist and all the media talk, general talking points about him being a racist. and this young man said an interesting thing. he said a few years ago, i was underemployed, my family was dependent on government assistance, i'm now working two
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jobs. i have more money in my wallet and, look, let me be practical here, brother. if i have a choice of a guy who's alleged to be a racist that has me working in a booming economy versus a guy who sounds really nice, makes me feel good inside but doesn't put food on my plate or give me the opportunity to work so i can put food on my plate. i'm going to choose the so-called racist. >> where did this sea change in the economy come from? the rate of difference in this -- he had some robust part that was juiced by a tax cut where 83 cents of every dollars went to the wealthy. the employment rate was in the fours then and it's in the high threes now. and you got a trade war. >> be fair. if you're going to talk about the tax cut or juicing the economy, then you also have to talk about the raise of interest rates up to 2 1/2 points.
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also stifling and slowing down this economy. you have to talk about the obstructionist democrats -- >> just a second. powell on the fed is your boy. you put him there. it's not that the fed is up against trump, it's his boy. and in terms of the investigation, don't lie about who you meet with. don't run around trying to get every advantage from russian interference and you're not going to have any trouble. they started all of this trouble for themselves and you know it. if you were running a campaign with me, you know that neither of us would do any of the things that they did. you can write it off to them being naive but that's not an excuse. >> what i know is many among the left, i don't know if the heat was a part, but he could have been, basically said that trump was colluding and working and was a russian stooge and mr. mueller came up to bat and the democrats thought he was going to hit a home run and he struck
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out. >> that's not true. he was told he couldn't prosecute the president. >> you got to love yourself more. he does not love you and people of color, the white nationalists of the republican base will never love you. never ever, ask yourself is it worth it? love yourself more. >> i love my country as you should. >> well, i love you both. i hate the word nationalist. stay patriot. have a great weekend. thank you for making your arguments. god bless to both. we have another debate to take on. this is a big one, the officer accused of placing a lethal choke hold of eric garner, there will be no prosecution, but there's a ruling that he should be fired. let's take on both sides of this. remember the different contexts, it's not about crimes, it's about job performance. cuomo's court is in session, next. nt.
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this latest ruling in cuomo's court. thanks both for being here. let's do prosecution and defense. is this the right call? >> absolutely, chris. this is the right call. what we had was an administrative law judge determining that this officer used a prohibited choke hold on eric garner and that choke hold resulted in his death and that's a form of misconduct under the policies and procedures for the new york police department that warrant him being dismissed. and i think what we should really -- we have to note in this case, this is not beyond reasonable doubt. this isn't a legal standard that would be appropriate if this were a civil court or a federal court. this is an administrative proceeding determining whether a police officer was engaged in any form of misconduct. so that's what this administrative law judge determined and there's absolutely no reason for the police commissioner to override the determination of the judge
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that had every opportunity to weigh the evidence, to listen to the arguments made by both of the parties, to listen to the cross-examinations and to come to this decision. now to ask the judge to ask the police commissioner to set this judge's decision aside, i think is a slap in the face to this family and this community. >> do you think the commissioner should push this decision aside, jimmy? >> so, chris, sober discussion, a life was lost. we have to look at this dispassionately and by the law. here's the thing, i argue when michael shot walter scott in the back in 2015 that he should have gotten a life sentence. >> this was not a judged to be a crime by the state or the feds.
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>> 100%. and let's look at it this way. the staten island grand jury looked at this and they could not vote a true bill. >> they didn't indict. >> the standard of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt. in this instance it was a preponderance of the evidence more likely than not. i can never ever argue that i understand what it's like to be a black man in america, i can't. and nor can some people who look at this case and try to assume what it's like to be a police officer in the city of new york. new york city has 35,000 police officers, the most diverse police department in the country. they are a model of restraint. what officer pantaleo did that day was respond to a call from a senior that suggested that he arrest a man for breaking the law. he was selling cigarettes. but that was the law. and he was responding to that. when eric garner said don't
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touch me, please stop and you're not doing this to me today, he's 6 foot 3, 350 pounds, he didn't attack the officers but he refused to comply with lawful orders. away and leave him there on the sidewalk. >> we get into what are you supposed to do. one of the things i need to put aside, this isn't about whether or not he was going to be criminally responsible. that's over. it's not going to happen. i don't know what de blasio was talking about the other night when he said there's going to be justice. we're showing people the video right here now areva, and what happens is he resists arrest. once they start to try to arrest him, he does put his hands up, but then it's on. they're trying to put him on the ground. what do you see here that you believe is a clear case of
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misconduct? >> the failure of the officers in this case to stop choking this man as he cried out not once, not twice, not five times, but 11 times, i can't breathe. i can't breathe. >> which has been cited as inappropriate. the emts didn't do the right thing. when he said i can't breathe, there should have been action by the police that was not taken, jimmy, how do you function that into your call cue lus. jimmy and i have a lot more experience with chokes and holds than a lot of other people. i don't know anything about a seat belt choke. anything that is a choke up around your neck. he keeps his arm there a long time after the guy is saying he can't breathe. the emts don't do the right thing. it's not all on pantaleo. what you saw in this video, when you know you're not supposed to
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have your arm around someone's neck, why don't you see anything being done. >> i look at it from this perspective, to date, there have been 70 police officers across the country that have lost their lives in line of duty deaths trying to make arrests. look, i don't believe that eric garner was looking to hurt the officers. he just refused to comply with lawful commands. pantaleo is smaller than garner was. i believe he tried to wrestle him to the ground, and, look, garner -- >> there were five guys there. >> i agree -- >> diabetes, overweight and heart disease, all true. >> and every time a guy told me the cuffs are on too tight, you're hurting my arm, but they still resisted. if eric garner said i'll fight this in court and gone with the officers this day, all of this could have been prevented, chris.
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>> it could have been prevented if he had taken his arm off of the man's neck. you shouldn't die because you resist arrest. you said eric garner should have fought this in court. the police officers, it's their obligations to deescalate this situation. they failed to take the appropriate action that led to this man's death and we're not asking the police commissioner to follow the recommendations of lay people. this is a trained administrative law judge whose job is to look at evidence and make these kinds of decisions. this is what she does for a living. his attorney had an opportunity to make his case. they failed to make a persuasive case. and that should be the ruling that stands in this situation. this man should lose his job. >> would you ever advise any of your clients to resist arrest and not comply with lawful commands on a lawful arrest? eric garner, as tragic as this
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is, caused the cascade of events that led to his death. and guess what, officer pantaleo's life will never be the same. he'll never work on the street again and he gets death threats every day. this is a tragedy all around, chris. >> i appreciate you both taking it on. it's a benefit to the audience. be well, have a good weekend. different topic. you remember when andrew yang said to move to higher ground because we're too late? he took heat for it, no pun intended. we tested him here about it. but there's a lot more water now in one of your oceans. this isn't about that climate change isn't real. it's about what we can do about it. we're going to bring in laura coats, the upgrade for d. lemon, next. you want.uch as you want, when and if you like netflix, it's included on us.
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of surface ice into the ocean. that's the equivalent of more than 4 million olympic-sized swimming pools. the rate is getting worse. and you know what happens, right? ice melts, ocean rises. all kinds of problems ensue. the likelihood of extreme weather events all increases. laura coats, you know, your background is obviously law and this is a very interesting issue because it seems that no matter what data comes out, the conclusions of those who resist never change. >> i don't understand. i don't know how you can look at that, chris, and actually see that water flowing, it's like the idea of don't believe what your lying eyes are showing you. how can you look at that and see that 11 million tons of water in one day are going away and
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knowing that the impact long term, i don't know how you can remain a denier. but it's a narrative that seems to help certain parties and i just don't know why it keeps going on. >> the question becomes, what's the upside of saying that there's no global warming? what's the upside? why would i want to deny it. other than i'm so afraid of it. let's take that off the table. what's the point of the contrary view that is not supported by fact? >> you know what they say, everything comes back to the old mighty dollar. it maybe a trade, a policy, maybe it's just the idea of saying, look, whatever comes out of this messenger, i'm going to deny because i'm so with my -- my heels dug in, i cannot possibly convey to you that i'm going to believe and what i see is obviously true. that's the only explanation in
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my mind. if you see that, chris, and you're a human being who resides on earth, i don't know how you can say this isn't going to make it about it. >> all the different technology that is are threatened because -- they're going to get paid, i don't get the president's resistance to it. problems with windmills. why does he lie so much about windmills. what do you have on the show? >> governor inslee on. his big platform issue is climate crisis and the nay sayers. i'll ask him questions because i want to know the answer. i really do. >> he's got a real plan on it. he dealt with it in his state. the upgrade. good to see you. >> so, look, i think that you need to focus on these tough questions about racism and why the president is doing what -- you have to look at the why.
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don't get stuck up on what label to put on him. he says he wasn't being a wise guy with the too bad tweet on the the home burglary. what was it? was it sincere concern? nobody believes that. you need to look at what's behind the effort. and what is being done to you that you may not realize. the argument next. hmm. how did you make the dip so rich and creamy? oh it's a philadelphia-- family recipe. can i see it? no. philadelphia dips. so good, you'll take all the credit.
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all right. here's a friday night special for you. we burned a lot of calories on this one. we're missing the point of what the problem is with the president pattern of pounding people of color and the places they live. here it is his best defense. >> i'm the least racist person there is in the world. as far as i'm concerned. >> first. this really matters. the least racist doesn't mean not racist.
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google it. and the reality is reflected by so much of what this president says and takes us to his tweet this morning. really bad news! the baltimore house of elijah kmings was robbed. too bad. he says he wasn't being a wise guy. i accept that. what he was being is a demagogue. he's giving people that he thinks are predisposed to dislike people a curled lip. not everyone is laughing. last night the only republican african american member of the house, the only african american republican member of the house. think about that. when you're wondering why the party is so quiet. think about that. he said i'm not seeking reelection. so now what about all the non-white members of the congress? on the republican side.
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how long do they believe they can stay quiet or pretend that this is not about politics of division. what you ignore you empower. and what you condone you own. too many, too many stop the damage at those who are being maligned and those who should stand up against it. like i did. however i'll argue we're leaving out an important component. don't be a sucker my white brothers and sisters. the joke is on you too. see the bigger problem. this president doesn't seem to feel a responsibility to deal with places like baltimore. it's another s hole. that generates people we don't need apparently. that's why the president jokes about how bad it is there. but never told you a word about that he feels badly about it. and going to do something about it. why? here's why you should care.
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there are a will the of baltimores. too many. urban and rural. what's baltimore? budget too tight. teachers in short supply. stores and factories shutered. not enough employment. if he doesn't care about baltimore why would he care about where you live? about you? because you're whigt? that tax cut wasn't targeted to you if you're in the middle class. 83 cents went to the color he cares about most. green. the rich. a middle class tax cut. how? you get 17 out of 100. ask yourself. why does this president choose to lie to you like he did last night at the green card lottery system? here's what he said. >> you pick people out of the lottery. let's see this is a murderer. this one robbed. this one i better not say.
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>> do you believe there's na vetting? it's a blind lottery? of course, that's not the truth. they get the same background check all other legal immigrants. ask yourself, why does he want to assume that people like you will think people who immigrate illegally or legally are a threat? maybe because he's betting it is easier to get you to blame someone else for your problems. than to blame him for not fixing them. does he really think there are enough people in this country who will get duped by deceptive efforts to divide them? his singular un-american appeal. everything he says not who we are. you have to know that. is he going to forget that he is supposed to be attacking problems and not attacking us and what we're about? you have to ask yourself a question. isn't a president supposed to be someone who attacks racists
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most? not simply self-described as less or least racist. this president wants this election to be about who is a problem instead of how to solve problems. think about it. and demand that he and all who want to lead do better than pointing out what's wrong. we can all do that. we can do that all day. that's easy. my father told me once any jack as can kick down a barn. it takes a good man or woman to build one. what's the plan to improve. to make us stronger and better. where's the great in all this hate. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with laura coates the upgrade. starting now. >> what a compelling case. the old phrase history doesn't always repeat sometimes it rimes. when you describe the idea of some people acting against self-interest so somebody else can be beneath them.
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