cnn gunfire and bloodshed, deathin and unimaginable fear at a walmart recall why are today in south texas. the newest official information we have, 20 people are dead after a man with a gun opened fire on people outside and then inside a crowded store in el paso. i'm about to show you video taken, a warning, it does show people shot and wounded and you may find it disturbing to watch. >> i know! no! >> in is in el paso, texas earlier today, about 10 in the among local time. police say the man used a rifle,

killed 20 people and wounded at least 26 others. this is what ten of those gunshot sounded like inside of that walmart. [ gunfire ] law enforcement official arrived from all over the and s, among them the governor, greg abbott. listen. >> 20 innocent people from el paso have lost their lives, and more than two dozen more are injured. we, as a state, unite in support of thieves victims and their

family members. we want to do all we can to help them, to assist them. we pray that god can be with those who have been harmed in any way. and bind up their wounds. . we want to express incredible gratitude for all the law enforcement and the swift response that they took to minimize the loss of life by directly confronting the shooter, getting him to disarm himself and be able to arrest him. i want the city of el paso to know and el paso police department and everybody in this entire community know that the state of texas provides its full support for this community and their efforts to rebuild.

for the country that i know has been paying a lot of attention to this, asking what they can do, i ask that you keep el pasoans in your prayer. we know the power of prayer and the power can you have by using that prayer. for every mom and dad and son and daughter, we ask you put your arms around your family members tonight and give them a hug and let them know how much you love them. >> words of comfort there from texas governor greg abbott. ed lavandera has arrived in el paso and is on the scene. you heard the governor taking this very personally, very somber, calling this one of the deadliest days in the history of texas. you are there at the scene of this mass shooting. the first calls about this shooting started coming in just over neen houine hours ago we

understand. describe the scene for us now. >> reporter: here on the outside, much quieter than it was nine hours ago. you can see the scene behind us essentially outside of the walmart frozen in time. you can see how busy this walmart was on a saturday morning, all of those cars, shoppers and customers here were able to get their cars out of the parking lot and basically all of this shut down as well as investigators do their work inside. to give officyou a sense of whe are, we are on the back side. you can see the orange paint there on the corner. apps you come around the corner, that is the front entrance to the walmart. we see the crime scene tape, investigators going in and out of the building there where they have been doing their work throughout most of the day. that is the scene right now. nobody has access, the public does not have access to this parking lot right now as those investigators are in there. a short while ago, the mayor of

el paso talked about what a horrific day this has been for a community that has long billed itself as one of the safest cities in america. >> el paso is too strong to be broken by a cowardly act like this one. i want to assure the el paso community that we are safe. >> this person did not come from el paso. it is not what we are about. we are a special community and this would not have happened from an el pasoan, i can assure you. >> reporter: alex, one of the things that's really striking about this situation is that this walmart very popular not just among lowecals here in thel paso area but also those who would come from mexico over the

border. so there are a number of mexican nationals who were injured and people are fighting for their lives right now here in area hospitals here in el paso. >> 26 wounded, 20 dead. there were between one and 3,000 people inside that walmart, many of them shopping before school pe picks up again later this month. ed laugh dvandera, thank you ve much. right now a manifesto is being scrutinized. it was found on an online message board that has been filled with conspiracy theories and hatred. here's what el paso's police chief, greg allen, had to say about this document just a short time ago. >> right now we have a manifesto

from this individual that indicates to some degree it has a nexus to a potential hate crime. didn't maenl to stean to step os toes on this but we are taking this down the road. as i said, the state of texas will be the lead prosecuting agency in this. >> i want to bring in three of our very best three law enforcement analysts, charms ramsey, james gagliano, retired fbi supervisory special agent, as well as josh campbell, former supervisory special agent as wel well. james, you just heard the chief talking about a hate crime. what are the indications it's a hate crime? >> it's predicated on bigotry and targets a particular race or religious or sexual orientation.

that's what this appears to be. if you watched the press conference, you'll notice the fbi was very of cautious, did not want to immediately get out in front and say that's what it was. the fbi is usually reticent in these cases, make sure they get all the facts between they make that determination. does it appear to be that right now? yes, that's what it appears to be. >> we are talking about the facts and charles made this point earlier that this suspect was taken into custody without firing a shot. even though he titled this manifesto that he expected to die. how much should we -- what should we take out of thome down to that interview between the subject and law enforcement officials. we've seen so many different instances where this will end a different way, where a subject comes here wanting to die, suicide by cop, will engage officers and will die. we'll see instances last week, i

was on the scene of a mass shooting in california, once the subject was engaged by law enforcement, the suspect turned the gun on himself and killed himself. we just don't know what was going through his mind, whether he realized the jig p gig wgig . in that moment, even if someone's coming in here with in a depraved intent to kill himself or go down fighting, it appears that was a change of heart on his part. a lot of that will come from that interview when authorities will try to glean from him what was going through his mind and try to recreate what happened. >> you believe he didn't kill himself and didn't fire on law enforcement because he wants to be heard, is that right? >> actually, it was mr. matthews that made that comment, which i found was interesting. if that's the case, certainly he'll be talking to those investigators that are interviewing him right now.

no one will really know until we get a real interview completed as to why. i mean, once he didn't have the upper hand any longer, when he was confronted with law enforcement, he might have changed his mind in terms of trying to kill himself or having police officers kill him. weep just don't know the answer to that question. the fact that he wrote that manifesto, he posted it on, it tells you right there that the hatred ran very deep, he drove 600 some-odd-miles to get to the border. all of that would indicate a tremendous amount of hatred built up into that young man. >> this guy drove more than nine hours to get to this border town. if he did, and we know he did post his manifesto on this very public site but we also know it's so hard for law enforcement to pore over, to spend so much time online tracking this kind of thing down, is that where law

enforcement should be focusing their attention now? juliette kayyem was makesiing t point it's not isis so much, it's domestic terrorism. >> there's a radicalization here. this is a perversion of either christianity in a certain sense, this hatred, this bigotry that this individual, you know, problem is and up and i have talked about this before is policing the internet. we talk all the i'm about the dark nether regions, places people can retreat to in these chat rooms and share this hateful communication. here's the problem, with the first amendment a lot of times law enforcement looks at something, you go out and talk to somebody because they said something on the internet, was it hyperbole, was it satire, was it said in the heat of the moment? we just don't have enough law enforcement officers to knock on

every day or run down everything time somebody says something. look at my timeline on twitter the thing people say. we've got to find a better mechanism to do this, to make sure when people are going to take it from that, just talk to turn it into what happened today to try to interdistrict ct it. >> there was between 1,000 and 3,000 people in that walmart and that was one part of a much ther stores and a mall nearby. how hard is it from a security standpoint to secure what is really a very soft target. like that one? >> alex, this is the quintessential target. we're in this area where there are stores, restaurants around us. this is the typical location here in a suburban/urban area where family members would be going on the weekends, where you have people going shopping, out to eat at restaurants. these areas are not defensible from the sense of a law enforcement standpoint where

you're going to have hardened targets. this is the united states of america. you don't have magnetometers outside walmart. the shooter took advantage where a mass number of people would be gathered and we don't know what chose him to choose this specific target, but as we look at these element and characteristics, this is an area where there were a thousand plus people gathered, you wouldn't have that robust law enforcement presence and because this is spread out, this isn't an area where you'd have police officers nearby on a daily basis. this isn't someplace they would be on their own. this is a massive scene, not only from a protection standpoint but an investigative stand point, now that they're in that phase, this massive complex is now filled with law enforcement officers. it's not just the people impacted on that day, obviously the victims, those deceased and

tho the loved ones. and a woman was crying in the arms of a state trooper, she was here witnessing this and she's trying to account for people she knows and figure out how does she get her people out of here? this people came and impacted so many people, we're can't lose track of that. >> we have new videos over a home in allen, texas, where that suspect it from. police are outside a home that is believed to be associated with the el paso shooter. a reporter knocked on the door earlier today and was told to leave the property. give us a sense of what investigators, james, would be doing there at that house believed to be the shooter's? >> you want to get to the shooter and stop them. number two, anybody that's a co-conspirator, somebody that is either involved in it or directed or inspired, provided material support.

i guess what the investigators right now will be looking at, the most important thing is were anybody else involved in this type of plot? did anybody else give this person any type of aid or inspiration? they're going to be looking at what type of weapons this individual had, how long he planned it, to what extent that he used the internet, as you talked about before, who else he communicated, thumb drives, laptops, cell phones, any type of digital exhaust that this individual would have put out, those are going to be the things the individual will want to be looking at from an investigative perspective, as well as talking to people that had intimate knowledge of this individual. family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, colleagues. >> james, thank you. josh, charles, thank you very much. we'll be right back with you. we're going to take a quick break and be back right after this. ♪ applebee's all you can eat is back.

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when shots began ringing out this morning in el paso, texas, first responders raced to the scene. emts focused on saving the victims. some had been shot in the parking lot, many others waited inside the building. 24 people have been taken to two hospitals, the university medical center, they received 13 total patients, including two children who then went to the el paso children's hospital, attached to umc.

11 others went to del sol monta medical center. officials put out an urgent appeal for blood donors. the response was overwhelming. lines going out the doors, others showing up to pass out food and drinks. >> as i was talking with members of the texas house of representatives behind me right now earlier today, moments ago they pointed out to me as they showed to me a video taking place in this community about how people in this community were standing in lines around buildings to give blood, to provide water, to provide support. as they pointed out, el paso is defined not by the catastrophe that struck this down but the

way el paso is really defined is the way this community comes together and supports each other to bridge t where el paso to be tomorrow. >> local officials are asking people to sign up to donate blood tomorrow and in the days ahead. one head of an organization said he hasn't seen this kind of response since 9/11. our hearts go out to you and the families that are hurt and killed. can you give us of a update on the hurt and wounded? >> i don't know anything more on the statistics of the numbers. 20 dead and those that are in the hospital, that are still going through the process. the governor and i just visited with the families waiting on information over at one of the schools here in el paso. it's tough. it's really, really tough.

>> it's extremely tough and extremely heart breaking. what about the investigation? what are federal authorities telling you? we understand the suspect is a 21-year-old man who drove from allen, texas. what more do we know about the investigation into him and his motive? >> we had the press conference, we talked about a gentleman -- i shouldn't say gentleman, this murderer who came from outside el paso. as i said before, nobody in el paso would have done something like this. this is not what we're about as a community. the investigations going through and identifying the bodies and going through their normal forensic work and families will be notified. but nothing new is happening yet. nothing new is happening yet. we're here at the scene as it stands now. >> was the shooter known at all

to authorities? >> i don't know that. i do not know that. he came out of allen, texas is i think where he came from. but my point is just a real tragedy. >> can you describe the scene before the shooting? what would have been happening a the a walmart in el paso, texas on a saturday morning in early august? >> a lot of shoppers, everybody getting ready for back to school. normal routines. just a normal saturday for people and yet this tragedy struck. >> ayou and others have talked about how tight knit this community is. what has been the reaction since this horrific massacre happened now just over nine hours ago? >> well, it's been reported we've had significant blood donors. this is community that goes back

350 years and people just don't understand. we have -- we are a close-knit -- we're the largest community of our type on the u.s./mexico border. there is nothing in north america that can equate to what we have here with el paso. so this is just totally unexpected and, as i say, probably never would have occurred with an el pasoan. >> you must be heartened to see those long lines of donors, blood donors to come out to donate blood. what can people do to help the community right now? >> well, we've set up the help foundation has set up a web site for donations for victims and their families. and the other -- what we're telling other people is just continue to donate blood. that's what we need right now. >> all right.

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terrified shoppers running for the door, seeking safety with a gunman on the loose. i want to show you video of how a witness described this horrific events. >> my mom, no persons came and i can't find her. and then these -- my mom's name is andy ingleesby. >> how old is she? >> 86. >> tell us a little bit about your mom. >> she has a brand new beige car. my niece knows the name of the car. these guys are making me nervous. >> we're so sorry. >> tell me your name. >> my name is edie hoallberg.

. i want to just find my mom. somebody needs to tell me where she is. i want alive or is she still in walmart? i need to find her and this is the only way we're going to do it. >> let me get you down to the police. >> heartbreaking moment with a woman trying to find her mother in the wake of this horrific and chaotic shooting. we're going to come back -- we're going to go now to a press conference with the governor of texas. >> we are here to make clear we stand united in the support of the community, we're stand united in an effort to make sure sure that we do everything we can to help these victims respond to this challenge. we also want to thank the first responders for the way that they dealt with this. they were able to make sure the shooter did not harm any more people.

as large as the tragedy was, 20 precious lives lost, 26 more injured. this is not going to be forgotten. the state of texas is going to work side by side with the city of -- to help all of these victims, to help repair their lives and put them back on a path and then we'll be working with the legislature goingford li -- going forward like we have in the past. we want to be sure texas is going to be as safe as possible for everybody in the state so that everyone knows they can go shopping or they can go anywhere, they and their families will be safe. i'm proud to have with us here tonight the mayor of this great

city, dee margo, mayor of el paso. >> thank you, governor. i appreciate you being here. no one is prepared for something like this. i keep getting asked how do you prepare for this? you don't. our hearts are going out to those that have been victimized by a murderer and we're going to do all we can in this community to come together. this is not about el paso. this individual was from outside of el paso, which is someone -- no one in el paso would have ever done something like this. our community is going to be close and drawing closer together and right nowle we're goi going to have to get ready mentally for 20 funerals. i cannot stop and think about it. the call went out at 10:39. the police were there at 10:46, six minutes. at 11:06 he was apprehended. you can't do that without a

proper trained, professional police force and that is why we've been one of the safest cities in the nation for so many years. we're going to do the best we can to come together. our hearts are torn and we were going to pray and work together for this community. >> thank you, governor. thank you, mayor. i'm district state representative for district 76 where this tragedy occurred. weep ju we just got back from visiting some of the families at mccarthy elementary school who are waiting to hear news. the governor and mayor give them words of encouragement. let me be clear that we stand united as a community. weep are going to do everything that we can to make sure that things like this don't happen again. we're going to make sure that the families have the support that they need. this will only bind us to be stronger and unified and this

will not get our city down. we will rise from this at some point. [ speaking spanish ] the mayor, the governor, speaker pro tem joe mooney. [ speaking spanish ] >> there's an ongoing press

conference in el paso, texas. we just heard from the governor greg abbott. and mayor dee margo. we're going to go back. >> 20 families who woke up whole this morning with their loved ones and when the sun sets tonight here in el paso, they'll go to bed without them. those families are broken, but it is with our strength and resolve that we can help piece them back together. and that's what we have to commit ourselves to doing. and so i know the eyes of not just this community, the state, this nation are fixed on el paso, and i want people to know that this horrific act does not define our community. what defines our community is the lines around the blood bank,

the people ready to donate, people wanting to offer counseling services to families, volunteering left and right. that's who el paso is, that's what's going to define us tonight and going forward. and i ask those folks that are watching from around wherever they're from to say a prayer for those families that are broken. pray for them to have peace and help rebuild their lives going forward. thank you. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> the toughest conversation anybody can even imagine having, visiting with family members who are clutched with uncertainty about whether or not they lost a loved one. all we can do is to try to instill hope, comfort and support and also working toward as quick of information as possible for those who have not

yet been informed the status of their family member. >> governor abbott, i'm seen you've seen reports of the alleged shooter's manifesto, which is full of hatreds expressed towards specifically immigrants. can you think, sir, of anything in the political life of our country at this moment that contributes to that type of hatred? >> listen, this is disgusting, intolerable, it n's not texan a we are going to aggressively prosecute it both as capital murder but also as a hate crime, which is what it appears to be, without having seen all the evidence yet, o i doni don't wa get ahead of the evidence. we have to be very clear that thoughts like this, touts lihou like this, actions like this, crimes like this is not who or what texas is and will not be

accepted here. >> we've seen a number of reports suggesting there was a second gunman initially inside the walmart. what more can you tell us about that? >> it was dispelled. that was the initial -- they were uncertain and we were -- that was of the initial preliminary information that was dispelled with further investigation. we believe now it was, at this point in time, a lone, acceptingle shoacceptinsingle shooter. >> maybe, how do you get our city ready? >> i don't know. we've never done this before and i would hope and pray we'll never done it again but we'll do it abecause that's who we are ad we will survive. >> i have not been able to track my phone, i have not been able to talk to him yet. unfortunately, i haven't had my phone.

>> we want people to know yo your -- >> listen, there are bodies that still haven't been recovered. i thisnk we need to focus more n memorials than on politics. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> we have moved the ball forward in our state regarding mental health and how we secure our schools. this did not happen at a school today, but we're going to work very closely with the governor, we are democrats, he's a republican, but we stand together in this tragedy. we're going to work together to make sure that texas families are safe and work in a positive way forward to make sure these type of tragedies don't happen

again. >> this is, as these scenes unfold, not just here but across the country, we're not sent to the capital to ignore things like this. i know that we haven't -- we will continue to look for ways to make sure that weapons don't get in the hands of the wrong folks, to make sure our schools remain safe and build on the laws and ensure no matter where you go, whether it's the public school or it's the neighborhood walmart you are safe and secure with your family. that is something that should be at the core of what we do. and i know i can speak for the el paso legislators, when we go back in 2021, this is in the front of our mind and in our heart and we will not be going there to do nothing about it. we will be going there to get something done. >> thank y'all very much.

>> all right. a press conference there in el paso wrapping up with governor greg abbott, as well as the mayor of el paso and two texas state representatives. you could very clearly hear the anger and the sadness in their voices. the governor of texas starting by thanks first responders, saying that he was praying for the families of the victims and then repeated messages from all of those officials saying this is not who we are as texans, this is not who we are as residence -- residents of el paso. president trump tweeted saying today's shooting in el paso, texas was not only tragic, it was an act of cowardice. there are no reasons or excuses that will ever justify killing innocent people. melania and i send our heartfelt

thoughts and prayers to the great people of texas. . >> i want to bring in james gagliano and charles ramsey, former washington, d.c. police chief. james, first to you. we have gotten a lot of new details in the past few hours about the suspect. there was not a lot of new detail in terms of the investigation in that press conference. that was a lot more about the emotion thgtion that they're fed their plans going forward. what are your impressions of how these officials and the authorities have handled things in these nine hours since this massacre took place? >> alex, to your point, politicians are speaking and obviously the governor spoke, the mayor spoke. we also have members of the state representatives down in texas speak. the police are being very careful right now. the initial presser, the point was let the public know there's no more imminent threat out

there. here's what we know, we have the person in custody, these people are being transported to the hospital, this is our casualty count. i anticipate tomorrow morning there will be a more thorough, robust discussion. probably will have a press conference tomorrow morning and give out more details to let us know what more was behind us. this is a homeland security issue that was created aft after 9/11 to keep the homeland safe, secure and resilient. that was after 9/11, we were attacked from the outside. we're now being attacked from the inside. make no mistake about it. this is a critical infrastructure here. this is the commercial facility session, lodging, entertainment, businesses, commercial areas. we've hardened our schools in some sense. we've hardened churches and synagogues and mosques. now we have to worry about people going to a walmart, to department stores. this is going to be the next frontier, the soft targets. the bad guys know they can't get on a plane anymore.

they know they can't do something at a yankee game or places that have robust security. in these soft targets where people go, it couldn't happen here. well, today it did. >> and not just a soft target, a soft target where anybody knows on a saturday morning in early august, a walmart will be chock full of families and young people just before they go back to school. we've been talking about the shooter his online manifesto in which he goes into detail about his hatred really for immigrants, the prospect of texas becoming democratic. the authorities have said that they are looking into that this indicates there's a nexus of a hate crime. we heard from the governor of texas saying we are going to

aggressively prosecute as cap t -- capital murder but also as a hate crime. that sounds a lot more serious than a regular murder charge. >> what you take away from it is texas is going to be very aggressive in dealing with this individual. he'll get a fair trial but if he's found guilty, they're not going to mess around with him at all. the reference by the one congressman that he's a democrat, the governor is a republican and they're going to work together. this is not a partisan issue at all. it's an american issue. we got to be able to deal with this. this is a national emergency in my opinion. gun violence here is absolutely getting worse. wo we're looking at this as almost like a new normal where we have these mass shootings. and one of the dangers now it really does overshadow the fact that there are hundreds, thousands of americans that die on the streets of our cities across the country and nobody

pays attention at all because the body count is not high enough. they're dying one, two, three at a time. so we've got to sit down and do something. it doesn't take repealing the second amendment to do it. we've got to find a middle ground to keep guns out of the hands of people who do not need to have them. >> even if the texas representative was saying it's not a partisan issue, at the same time up saw tyou saw the g refusing to talk about gun control legislation. that's going to be a topic going forward. >> every time beef tawe talk ab this, it's not time, it's not time. when is the time? we have to deal with this issue. people need to think this through. we've got to find common ground somewhere to be able to deal with this is a national emergency. i mean, we're losing more people to gun violence in the united states than we lose in a war in afghanistan and iraq. that's a clue right there that something is certainly not

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just in, we have learned that the federal bureau of investigation has opened a domestic terror investigation into the el paso shooting this morning that left 20 people dead and another 26 wounded. police so far have identified the alleged shooter as a 21-year-old white male from allen, texas, which is just north of dallas. he was arrested at the scene. the police chief also saying that the shooting has a nexus to a potential hate crime. citing a manifesto that they have obtained that may be connected to the alleged gunman. they say they're still working to confirm that it does belong to the shooter. i want to dive into this a little bit more with our chief media correspondent brian stelter. brian, we are getting a lot more information about this document. it's four pages long. it's entitled "i'm probably going to die today." he did not die. he was arrested peacefully without shots fired. what else was in this document that as we were saying we have not confirmed yet is actually connected to the shooter? >> right, that is correct.

but it has all the markings of a white supremacist terrorist document. this is a manifesto full of anti-immigrant language, describing hatred of hispanics, a fear of so-called white replacement. this is the crazy theory that whites are being replaced in america as the country becomes more of a multicultural melting pot. these are the kinds ideas that have appeared in previous manifestos from previous killers , both in the united states and around the world. he with all remember christchurch, new zealand and the killings there at the mosques earlier this year. this shooter apparently referenced chieft kruchl. again, the authorities are still trying to confirm that this is absolutely 100% sure the document from the shooter. look, it was posted online minutes before this attack. that's not a coincidence. and this is not the first time. this website 8chan, which is a message board, which is known for hateful and anti-semitic and nasty rhetoric, has been used in this way. these kind of manifestos have appeared on that site before.

it is logical law enforcement may have been monitoring this site, keeping tabs on this. but the shooter in this case, the suspect, did not identify the walmart, did not name his c. >> but this is the third time this year that a shooter has posted a so-called manifesto on this website. do we know, is there any regulation of it? is it just an open sewer where anybody can post whatever they want and feed off each other and it creates this breeding ground of white extremist potential shooters and attackers? >> i think you said it perfectly. this is -- we are reckoning with the down side of this world wide web that we all benefit from every day. the same technologies that allow us to all come together after a tragedy, that allow us to learn about the victims and donate and support the families also allow for this kind of radicalization. and what we are seeing time and time again is online

radicalization. we don't know a lot yet about this suspect's online footprint. and i don't want to get ahead of the authorities on that front. but from the details of the manifesto this seems to be another case of a person who was radicalized online, fed these crazy conspiracy theories and other ideas, and one of the dangers of the internet these days is that when you go down those rabbit holes it gets darker and darker and darker. and these websites encourage you to spend more and more time at the bottom of those holes. that's something that even youtube has been grappling with. and regulators are getting more and more interested in that. but i would argue politicians and regulators are far behind the curve on these issues. and it is notable now that the fbi's looking at this as domestic terror because our language about these issues has to change. we both know that if this had been a brown or a black-skinned gunman people would have been talking about terrorism within five or ten minutes. well, unfortunately, there is a plague of terrorists in this country who are not black or brown-skinned, they are oftentimes lonely white men who are radicalized online. and that is a danger right now. >> is this a game of whacka

moel? if it happened on facebook or youtube chances are he might have been caught. but are there more sites springing up to fill that void? >> whack-a-mole is right. because if 8chan or 4chan were shut down others would pop up in the dark corners of the internet. that is one of the amazing things about the internet. it is this broad network but it also allows for this kind of connection between radicals. >> brian stelter, painting a very dark picture of a very dangerous part of the internet and a plague that is affecting this country. thanks very much. we're going to take a quick break. we'll be right back. has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life.

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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. you are in the cnn newsroom. i am alex marquardt in new york. it is breaking news right now on cnn. el paso, texas. that's where a man with a rifle earlier today gunned down 20 people at a walmart store which was packed full of saturday morning shoppers. more than two dozen others were wounded. the governor of texas called today one of the deadliest days in the history of his state. el paso native beto o'rourke has returned home. he is a presidential candidate. and spoke just moments ago.

>> wish i was seeing everybody under different circumstances and conditions. our sympathies go out to the families of the victims, many of whom we just got to spend time with, some of whom do not know where their loved one is right now. many hearing and expecting the worst because they have not heard from them and have received no news. we almost met incredibly heroic el pasons who have survived the most devastating injuries that i can imagine, many of them shot many times over, who are pulling through right now. just had a chance to talk to university medical center president jacob cintron. the nurses and the doctors who are taking care of these patients, absolute all-time heroes. this community that is bringing more food than anybody can eat right now inside, that is donating more blood than we could have possibly expected.

el paso is really showing up and standing up for our fellow el pasoans right now. lastly just want to say i'm so grateful to the el paso police department and the first responders and everyone who is on the scene today including many of you who have to live with something we thought we'd never, ever see in el paso. more murders today than we have in an average year in the steve el paso. we don't know all the details yet, and we await the completion of this investigation. but what i'm hearing from statements from the el paso police department, preliminary indications that this is motivated by hatred, by racism, by an intolerance that is foreign to el paso. and in fact had to be brought somewhere else into this community to do something like we are seeing right now. i would just say that in addition to everything that

we're doing for our fellow elpieceans right now and meeting them in this time of suffering and need and crisis, and in addition to making sure that we change our laws so it is harder for something like this to happen again, i think we also have to ask ourselves about the level of hatred and racism we're seeing in this country right now that could lead to an event like the one that we saw here today. and that is on all of us to both call out and to stop and to n. our case in el paso to be the example of how we don't just respect one another, we embrace our differences as the very source of our strength. so could not be more proud of el paso and the way that we're responding to this tragedy today. happy to take your questions. >> sir rarksding the manifesto and everything that was in it, fears about hispanic immigration and all that, does any of this fall at the feet of president donald trump and his rhetoric that's been growing over the last couple weeks and hisd raci

rhetoric? >> yes. we've had a rise in hate crimes every single one of the last three years. during an administration where you have a president who's called mexicans rapists and criminals. though mexican immigrants commit crimes at a far lower rate than those born here in the country, he has tried to make us afraid of them, to some real effect and consequence, attempting to ban all muslims from this country. the day he signed that executive order the mosque in victoria, texas was burned to the ground. those chants that we heard in greenville, north carolina, "send her back," talking about our fellow american citizens, duly elected to represent their constituents in the congress who happen to be women of color. he is a racist and he stokes racism in this country, and it does not just offend our sensibiliti sensibilities. it fundamentally changes the character of this country and it

leads to violence. and again, there are still details that we are waiting on. but i'm just following the lead that i've heard from the el paso police department where they say there are strong indications that this shooter wrote that manifesto and that this was inspired by his hatred of people here in this community. >> were you in there with patients? like what did you tell them and what did they tell you? >> i told them i am so amazed at how strong they are we met a woman who was shot in the chest. the bullet passed through her lungs. she's having her lungs drained of fluid right now. she has learned that her mother who was with her was shot, that her aunt was shot as well. three family members, all of whom are shot, all of whom are pulling through here tonight, all of whom are surrounded by family.

and these extraordinary nurses and doctors and front line staff here at university medical center, we're hearing very similar things about the staff at del sol. those waiting rooms are full of people. met a woman just now who said she hasn't been able to hear anything about her husband for the last hour. he was also shot in the chest. has not been as responsive. but the doctors tell her that he seems to be doing better minute by minute. i can only imagine what she is feeling right now. she told me. she told me and amy, this has got to change. she said this keeps happening in this country. why is this happening? why do we allow this to happen? this has to change. her husband and other members of the family and their little children were all at ao raise funds for the soccer team their

community. never expecting something like this to happen. and now pulling for her husband to make it through right now. and her kids witnessed the entire thing. so many families, so many extraordinary people, so much hope in that waiting room right now. so much strength in the individual icu rooms that we got to be in. again, it makes me just incredibly proud of el paso and of these people, these survivors. but they're also asking us to do something about this. and yes, it's the gun laws. yes, it's the universal background checks. and yes, we should stop selling weapons of war into our communities. but i think we also have to confront this hatred that i have never seen in my lifetime. and we certainly have not seen in el paso. some years in a city of almost 700,000 we have five murders the entire year. our average over the last ten

years is 18. we exceeded that average just on one day. this is not normal. it is not acceptable. we cannot just move on from this. and the folks that i just met do not want us just to move on from this. >> [ speaking foreign language ]. >> si. [ speaking foreign language ]

>> son of el paso, former texas congressman and presidential candidate beto o'rourke there now back in his hometown after leaving the campaign trail. he started his day in las vegas and came home in the wake of this horrible massacre. there giving a small press conference in both english and spanish and was asked point blank whether he holds president trump responsible for the tenor, the tone, the vitriol in this country that leads to this kind of violence. and he said in no uncertain terms yes. that you can draw that line. he said, quote, that trump is a racist and he stokes racism in this country that fundamentally changes the nature of this country and leads to violence.

some very strong words there from beto o'rourke, the former texas congressman, also saying this is not who we are, this is something that we have never paso, texas. saying that there are around five murders a year in el paso, today at least 20 people have been killed. i want to turn to cnn's ed lavandera who is in el paso at the scene of this deadly shooting. ed, we have learned a lot more in the last few hours about this 21-year-old suspect who was accused of carrying out this massacre. tell us what we do know. >> we do know that here texas authorities are already talking about how this suspect could very well face the death penalty here, that law enforcement officials and the governor of texas saying that this person will be prosecuted to the fullest extent in a crime of this magnitude carries the death penalty here in the state of texas. we also know that fbi investigators are working alongside those local

authorities investigating the hate crime avenue in all of this as well. so those are the pieces of the puzzle that are moving right now. and here at the scene we're in a parking lot just behind the walmart where the shooting unfolded earlier today. this is a walmart in a parking lot in a shopping center that is still completely locked down. investigators are still inside. we have seen dozens of cars still left in the parking lot from people who were here shopping when this shooting occurred. unable to come back into this parking lot. it's all locked down as investigators do their work. and we're also hearing some harrowing stories here, alex, tonight from a number of people. one family in particular, the family of angie inglesby, who's an 86-year-old woman. we've spoke nguyen her son and her daughter, and they tell us that the elderly woman was inside the walmart and she had spoken to a relative over the phone just minutes before the shooting took place.

they say that she was in the check-out line and that the shooting erupted somehow -- sometime after that. the son and daughter have been unable throughout the course of the day to locate their mother. we do not know the condition of this woman, angie inglesby. we do not know if she's still inside the store or if she's been taken to a hospital and these children have not been able to reunite with her in any way. but that is the stress and the emotion that many people here in el paso are feeling tonight. you can hear a little bit from the woman's daughter, who spoke with us just a little while ago. >> macarthur school. we went to school there. then my niece took me to pebble hills. she wasn't there. the bus was empty. all the people were gone. and we said, well -- i asked the cops at macarthur, i want to know where my mom is. where are the people that are at walmart? where did you put them all?

where have they all gone? i want to just find my mom. somebody needs to tell me where she is. i want to know if she's dead or alive or if she's still in walmart. we need to find her. and this is the only way we're going to do it. >> that desperation, alex, excruciating to listen to. she says she talked because she felt at this point she didn't know where else to turn, what else to do to be able to locate her mother as they're still frantically looking for her this many hours later. and alex, i also spoke with another woman who was just outside of the walmart doors when the shooting erupted and sh of people inside and outside the store who were wounded. and she said the scene and the moment that she cannot get out of her mind was the scene of a man holding a child in his arms running out of the store and just handing the child over to a

parmt who had arrived here at the walmart scene and then that child being quickly whisked away. the questions these people ask themselves is they see that moment and they wonder what happened to that child and what kind of condition is that poor child in right now. that's the anguish and the scenes that many people, the victims and the witnesses of what unfolded here tonight are dealing with. alex? >> all of that speaking -- all the emotion speaking to the confusion that still reigns right now almost ten hours after all of this started. ed, we also need to note that the fbi has opened a domestic terror investigation which has all sorts of implications. we can see behind you that night is falling on this tragic and horrible day nell paso, texas. we know you'll stay out there. we know you'll stay on the story. thanks very much. and we'll be right back after this quick break. (ding) hey, who are you? oh, hey jeff, i'm a car thief... what?! i'm here to steal your car because, well, that's my job. what?

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updating you now on the mass shooting in el paso, texas, that's where a man with a rifle earlier today, this morning gunned down 20 people at a walmart store which was packed full of saturday shoppers young and old. more than two dozen others were wounded. the governor of texas calls today one of the deadliest days in the history of his state. some of the shooting was captured on camera, which we're about to show you, but we have to warn you that the video shows people shot and wounded and can be difficult to watch. >> no!

[ yelling ] >> help! help! >> cpr! >> that chaotic scene in el paso, texas earlier today. it happened at about 10:00 in the morning local time. this is what some of those gunshots sounded like inside that store. [ gunshots ] police officers were on the scene within minutes. they have been praised for their response and they are arrested the gunman without firing a shot. he is alive. he is in custody. he has been described as a 21-year-old man from a texas town hundreds of miles away from el paso. more than a nine-hour drive. just outside dallas. police say it appears he carried

out this massacre alone, no other suspects were arrested, and no others are believed to have been involved. this is also just coming in to cnn. a law enforcement source tells us that they are opening a domestic terrorism investigation to run alongside the state of texas's investigation, which is pursuing a charge of capital murder. a short time ago el paso officials, the fbi as well as the governor, spoke with reporters. >> 20 innocent people from el paso have lost their lives. and more than two dozen more are injured. we as a state unite in support of these victims and their family members. i want the city of el paso to know and el paso police department and everybody in this entire community to know the state of texas provides its full

support. for this community and their efforts to rebuild. >> the governor of texas greg abbott there. we're also hearing from an eyewitness who saw the gunman and describes him like this. >> like those to protect your ears from. and he just started to shoot everyone. just started to shoot. and what i did, my first instant, was to get people out of there. i probably shouted "they're shooting, they're shooting, get out." i believe i pushed people out of the exit maybe -- probably like 48 people out of there. and just told them to get out. and this senior citizen lady that i tried to help and i couldn't and i just told her to move faster and she couldn't move faster. so i left her there. and i needed to get out because

the shooter was getting closer and closer. so i was just -- i just told her to get down and hide. and then i left her. and we just ran outside. and got everybody in. he and just told everybody to just run out and go far, far away as we can. so we actually started running. we came out to sands and then from sam's we ran more farther away because we still heard some maybe like two gunshots more outside. >> oh, my goodness. >> an eyewitness there describing that horrific scene saying the gunman was wearing ear protection and shooting repeatedly. i want to bring in our law enforcement panel analyst charles ramsey, former washington, d.c. police chief james galliano retired fbi special agent as well as josh campbell former fbi supervisor special agent as well.

josh, first to you. you've just reported the fbi is now opening a domestic terror investigation. that is going o'run alongside the texas investigation. what does this mean? >> i spoke to a source just a short time ago that the fbi has indeed opened a domestic terrorism investigation. as you mentioned, that will be worked alongside the state investigation. now, right now the state has the lead. it appears as though that will remain the case for the time being. obviously, here on state murder charges we heard from the governor earlier and other officials talking about how they're going to handle the case. in the background you have the fbi with this concurrent case looking into the ideology. an official i spoke with saying that's really going to be their focus, is digging into this motivation. was there someone who was motivated intending to cause a hate crime here, possibly a domestic terrorism incident? getting to that motivation is going to be key for law enforcement because that then determines how this investigation might go down the road. we're also hearing from officials that the fbi is bringing in resources from its satellite offices here in the state of texas and they have

assets at fbi headquarters currently on standby as they await any requests that may come in for the state. as you can see behind me right now, although night has fallen here in el paso this remains a very active investigation. a number of police personnel here on scene going through this massive crime scene, again, to recreate what happened. to gather evidence. in order to paint a picture of the gruesome act we just heard the sound of just a short time ago, alex. >> james, we've been talking tonight about hate crime, domestic terrorism. we do know from the governor of texas they are going to be looking into prosecuting this as a hate crime. but what is the significance of this now that the fbi is opening this domestic terror investigation? >> sure, let's unpack this for the viewers. first of all, if it's a domestic terrorism case the fbi investigates an international terrorism and domestic terrorism. it would be worked by the joint terrorism task force, the jttf. however, if officials are saying that this is a hate crime, hate crime enforcement is done by our civil rights program. now, if it is an act of domestic terrorism, it would be looked at from the perspective of

homegrown violent extremism. we talked about this before. four different types. racially motivated, which this appears to be anti-government, anti-thorkts animal rights, environmental act advise sxm anti-abortion. this appears to be racially motivated. now, understand that in april the fbi director testified in congress and said this -- "white supremacy presents a persistent and pervasive threat in this country." now, he did allow that there's been an increase in reporting of these crimes. he can't say for sure if the crimes are proliferating. i don't know if we should worry about, that the fact we don't know if they're being reported enough. in this instance you have a disaffected, disenfranchised it appears white young male. what's the cause of it? is it mental health? is it pure hatred? is it the violent culture we're in? because we look at this from the perspective of flash to boom. flash is did we miss detecting the warning that an attack was imminent? was that manifesto, should that have been something we should have been able to interdict him on before the boom and that's the attack? we always want to interdict

obviously left to boom in this instance it obviously didn't happen that way. >> often after these massacres, whether it's las vegas, which we both covered on the ground, sutherland springs also in texas just under two years ago we had this debate whether it's domestic terror or not, whether there are political motivations or not. here in this case from everything we know it does appear to be domestic terrorism. and i say from what we know charles ramsey to you because we have this quote unquote manifesto, this document, four-page document posted online that is being investigated as being connected to the shooter in which he goes to great lengths to say that the -- to insult immigrants and saying they're turning texas into a democratic state, and that has led the authorities to say that this has a nexus potential -- a nexus tie potential hate crime. but charles, the title of this manifesto says that he expected to die. he didn't.

there were no shots fired. he went into custody relatively peacefully. so what do you think happened? how did it go down? >> they'll certainly ask that question during the interviews with this individual. but once he no longer had the upper hand in this situation and he was confronted by law enforcement, quite frankly he might have lost his nerve and just decided to surrender. it could also be as mr. matthews said earlier in an earlier show, that maybe he wants to have his story told and get it out there. who knows? bottom line is we're in a very toxic environment right now where a lot's being said, particularly around immigration, the border, and all those kinds of things. words have consequences. and you've got a lot of fringe individuals with extreme thoughts and to stir the pot, and it's not just elected officials. we've got some media personalities that do the same thing. i mean, you know, everybody needs to ratchet it down because you never know who's listening

and it just gives them the ability to just get bolder and bolder and bolder and then we wind up with these kinds things happening. >> well said. so much more to discuss. stay with me. charles ramsey, josh campbell, james galliano, thank you for your expertise. (vo) the ant mindlessly marches on. carrying up to 50 times its body weight. it never questions the tasks at hand. but this year, there's a more thrilling path to follow. (father) kids...

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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. we continue to follow breaking news of the mass shooting in el paso, texas earlier today where 20 people were killed. as police and s.w.a.t. teams work to secure the area, the emts focused on saving the victims. some had been shot in the walmart parking lot outside. many others waited inside the building. what we know now is that there are 26 people who are also wounded leaving the el paso police to put out an urgent appeal for blood donors. the response, and this is the silver lining of this tragedy, has been overwhelming as lines of donors stretched out the doors, as you can see right there. other volunteers showing up to pass out food and drinks. the texas governor greg abbott saying that the community should take heart from this kind of reaction. >> as i was talking with members of the texas house of representatives behind me right now earlier -- moments ago, they pointed out to me as they showed to me a video taking place in

this community about how people in this community were standing in lines around buildings to give blood, to provide water, to provide support as they pointed out, el paso is defined not by the catastrophe that struck this town. the way el paso is really defined is the way this community comes together and supports each other to bridge the divide of this catastrophe. this happened a day toward the pathway of where el paso will be tomorrow. >> local officials are now asking people to sign up to donate blood tomorrow and in the days ahead. one organization is saying it hasn't seen this kind of response since 9/11. for more let's go back to el paso, texas. now joining me is chris babcock, who's a reporter with the el paso herald post newspaper. and he's been at the scene of today's shooting since this

morning. chris, thank you for coming on tonight. tell us about what you first saw when you got there this morning. >> well, alex, thank you for having me. i can tell you it was a surreal sight as i was driving in. i was at another scene about 20 miles east of here when i first got the call and i was able to convoy in with what were basically el paso county sheriff's s.w.a.t. officers, unmarked vehicles as well as some secret service vehicles that we followed in. and when we arrived on scene it was just what should have been a parking lot full of shoppers was just a parking lot full of first responders and every single type of police car, police vehicle you could see, and they were all heavily armed. that's when it really hit home this was actually happening. and it was just surreal to see everyone coming out with their hands up being cleared and being sectored off. and in fact, one of the first people -- first persons i talked to here was a fort worth soldier, specialist oaklee, who

you spoke with him earlier today, who actually was in the mall when it happened, he heard the ricochets and went about his job of evacuating single kids from the shooting area. it was just a surreal experie e experience. >> chris, you have been there so long i imagine you've spoken with witnesses from inside. what did they tell you? what were some of the stories they told you about what they experienced and the fear that they felt with this shooter on the loose? >> issue at first was disbelief. they couldn't believe there was this active shooter. like specialist oaklee said a kid ran by saying there's an active shooter, active shooter and he looked at the clerk and the witnesses looked at each other and then they heard the ricochets of the shots going off and then it became real. and to a appearance that's what we heard from most of these witnesses, disbelief, and it was just a couple of seconds, and when everybody started moving out and moving quickly that's when it hit home for them. and then it was where am i going

to go, who aim going to be there with, and am i really out of danger's way? because again, we had first heard it as walmart and then it extended over to the mall and we didn't know whether he was still making his way through the mall and these people didn't either so they were i go just trying to mover out of the way as quickly as possible not knowing how many steps they were behind him. >> and law enforcement is now saying that there is no longer a threat. but we can see right behind you those blue and red flashing lights. this is still clearly a very active scene. this is now if i'm doing the math correctly about 10, 11 hours later. what does the scene look like now? >> well, the scene has changed into more of like i said a crime scene where they're going through both of the areas. what you see behind me is the walmart, and that is about half a mile away from the mall which is directly to my east. it's a good 200 yards over there for where they transited. but for the police it's about a mile and a half, almost a mile of crime scene they're going to have to process. so behind me the flashing lights you see are the texas dps troopers who are blocking off the entrance to the walmart

parking lot. and i can tell you, alex, one of the hardest things i've seen so far tonight has been the slow shuffling walk of the family members. they park in the parking lot behind us and they start making their way down to the parking lot. they're obviously distraught. they're obviously in pain. they're propping each other up. and they're walking into the parking lot. they're not allowed into the parking lot. but they just want to know what happened to their loved ones. and i've seen that happen now six, maybe seven times just in the last couple of hours. >> chris, i wanted to ask you about something i saw that some families might be afraid to come forward and go to those reunification centers because they're not legal. and therefore people haven't been reconnected with their loved ones, are afraid to go those centers, afraid to go to the hospitals. have you heard anything about that? >> i heard a couple of transitory stories like that. i can tell you this particular walmart and the shopping center, it is the largest one here in el paso. and it does draw a huge amount of traffic not just from texas

and new mexico but the state of chihuahua, ciudad juarez. there's even tours that show up here from the central part of the state, chihuahua city, and they do have people that come to shop here. now, here residents, you know, we do have an eclectic mix of people who are here. they may be here legally. they may be here on work visas. and going to one of these reunion centers, it might be a very frightening experience for them because again, these centers just like you see behind me, they are ringed with police and law enforcement. there might be a little bit of unease. but i have heard that story a couple times today. >> and chris, we have seen aerial video of the suspect's home in allen, texas. we know law enforcement is currently searching that home which we believe to be connected to this 21-year-old gunman. do you know anything about that search, anything that the authorities might have uncovered about who lives there? >> what we've heard down here is what chief allen shared during the news conference about two hours ago, and that was that they had found his vehicle here,

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our breaking news, another mass shooting today in america. this time in el paso, texas. it has claimed the lives of at least 20 people, who were shopping in a walmart this morning. many of them shopping for students going back to school in the coming days. we're now getting a dramatic eyewitness account that one of the victims injured in the shooting was a baby. take a listen. >> i was waiting for him to come out but it was taking too long and then i heard the first one. so i was like, what's going on? but it was so loud. very loud. and then i just saw everybody dropping. that's when i just ran in there,

like trying to. but then i saw him run this way. so i chased him. and i thought he got shot. >> and who was hit? >> the baby. my nephew. the baby that some man carried that got shot. the guy just gave him to the ambulance. i don't know. it was awful. >> it was awful. and as happens so often in these cases, relatives rushed to the scene in search of their family members and loved ones. take a listen to this man who was looking for his mother. >> my brother spoke with her at 10:31. she was in the line at walmart, in the check-out line. they spoke for four minutes till 10:35. and that was the last we've heard of her. and that was -- she was at that walmart right there. she told him i'm in line, my brother's on the flight back from florida. he'll be here in a couple hours. with you he was in atlanta. >> and you've checked all the -- i apologize for making you repeat this. you checked all the hospitals?

>> yeah. we just don't know where she is. and the buses haven't shown up at macarthur. i guess there were some witness that's are supposed to take over to macarthur. i have two sisters over there. and no one has showed up. >> you seem to be holding up all right. >> we're trying. we just wanted to walk down here ourselves and take a look to, you know, try to find her, you know. because she won't hold up without water. i mean, someone needs to take care of her. she needs water. she needs to be taken care of. she's very -- >> and she's not answering her phone? >> no, sir. it's actually turned off. we used the iphone app to try to find her. >> are you worried she may have been hit? >> sir, i don't want to speculate. i'm hoping, praying. please god, bring her home. >> that man just one of the siblings who we've heard from looking for his mother, saying that the last time they heard from her was just four minutes before the shooter we know opened fire. the fbi has now opened a

domestic terror investigation into the el paso shooting which brings all sorts of ramifications with it. the alleged shooter has been identified as a 21-year-old white male from allen, texas. that's just north of dallas. he was arrested at the scene without firing a shot. el paso's police chief says that the shooting has what they call a nexus to a potential hate crime. and they point to what they're calling a manifesto that they've obtained that may be connected to the suspected gunman. they say they're still working to confirm that it does belong to him. with me now is casey jordan who's a criminologist and behavioral analyst. casey, police are now investigating that this four-page manifesto may be connected to the alleged shooter. i imagine you've looked over this. what stands out to you? >> well, a number of things. but i think the thing that really surprised me the most is he spent an entire paragraph saying he would not surrender. he talked about that it's not

cowardly to see low hua-hanging fruit, saying in his mind it's okay to go after easy victims like at a shopping mall. and he talks at length about why he wrote the nan festo, said he'd only been plan field goal for about a month and even though it wasn't a perfect plan and the manifesto was rife with grammatical and spelling errors, he said nothing is going to change and the future he envisioned will never happen. sew talks about the fact he expects to be killed by police and yet we know that he surrendered without incident. so something happened. maybe a sense of satisfaction after the mayhem. ma made him go ahead and give himself up. you mentioned there he said he couldn't wait any long er. the manifesto was posted online less than 20 minutes before the shooting. he also posted about five

minutes later saying he's nervous as hell. this conflict of what he's saying, that he expected to die and then didn't, he's nervous as hell and the plan wasn't quite re ready. what does that tell you about what was going through his mind if this is indeed connected to him? >> if it is i think what you're seeing is the vacillation of a 21-year-old, very specific to his age. since 2006 we've had 11 mass shootings committed by 21-year-olds. and you have to understand his station in life. we believe and understand he was a student at the local community college in colin where he's from near allen, texas. he is looking at his life, he believes that he's been promised a certain future. he's been working toward it and following the rules. but because of what he calls technology and immigration the future he's envisioned is not attainable. sew specifically mentions he went to el paso, he drove 650

miles to go there we imagine because it is a very large mexican population, full of immigrants and latinos and this was his intentional target. if this manifesto is accurate, that's what he's -- >> why is it it's always men and more often than not white men? >> there are many theories, alex, about why that is. and we have seen an uptick of people of different races. but really very few females. a handful. three or four that come to my mind. most people would argue it is because for so many years, really since world war ii, young white men have been entitled and privileged and promised an easy life if they fight for their country and work hard and follow the rules they're going to be given a job and a house and a car and a pretty wife and a picket fence and a golden retriever. and i'm being a little faceti s facetious. but the world has changed

dramatically in the last 7 to 12 years. and with equity comes great resentment from people who still think that those rules from the last century are still in effect. they don't want to share the playing field with other people, specifically women and immigrants. and they seethe with resentment that they are failing in life and want to externalize or scapegoat. this is the number one theory on why we see mostly young white males committing these sorts of mass shootings. >> and what you describe there, looking for the put future, a wife and kids and a house, that's exactly what we see islamic extremist jihadists and the pair levels between these two groups of individuals are incredibly strong. casey jordan, thanks so much for breaking that do you think for us. >> thank you, alex. >> okay.

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20 more injured tonight, some fighting for their lives at area hospitals. the community of el paso we've heard from a number of officials is understandably devastated and some texans right now holding a vigil at a catholic church at el paso, with moments of prayers and moments of tears, the vigil concluding with a song for this wounded community. take a listen. ♪ hallelujah there is another candlelight vigil for those shooting victims taking place in austin, texas, as st. edwards university. before we go to break, we want to replay for you what a witness said earlier about the moment that she saw the gunman. >> like those to protect your

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this is cnn breaking news. >> you are live in the cnn newsroom. i'm alex marquardt in new york. it is breaking news right now on cnn, gunfire and bloodshed, death and unimaginable fear at a walmart earlier today in south texas. 20 people are dead killed by a man who opened fire with a rifle outside and then inside the crowded store in el paso. i'm about to show you video taken moments after the massacre. we have to warn you, it does show people who are badly hurt and you may find it disturbing. >> no!