texas. i'm george haowell. >> i'm natalie allen. 20 people were killed, 26 were hurt, some with life-threatening injuries. the 21-year-old suspected gunman surrendered at the seen and is in police custody? >> the shooting started 10:30 local time, when walmart supercenter was packed with shoppers. people inside the store hid, and tried to find cover. as the gunman opened fire, round after round. and you hear it here. >> terrifying. i would be terrified to be

hiding right there, so close. bystanders tried assisting multiple victims. we have more video. we want to warn you. it is very disturbing. >> i know.

>> you know, the thing about this, this is something that plays out every day. people playing out their daily lives, going to walmart, going shopping. no one expected to be interrupted by an attack like this. in fact, listen to one person, as he did his best to hide when it started to happen. >> in mcdonald's, what happened? i'm looking to see what's going on. more people are coming in. and i hear, boom, boom, boom. we run out of the mcdonald's out of an emergency door. >> the suspected gunman is from allen, texas. that is more than 600 miles away, 1,000 kilometers. authorities say a document posted online shortly before the shooting, appears to be an anti-immigrant manifesto. the governor of texas addressed that earlier. >> this is disgusting,

intolerable. it is not texan. and we're going to aggressively prosecute something. as a capital murder and a hate crime, which is what exactly it appears to be, without seeing the evidence yet. i don't want to get ahead of the evidence. we have to be very, very clear, conduct like this, thoughts like that, actions like this, crimes like this, are not who or what texas is and will not be accepted here. >> texas has been the scene of many mass shoots in u.s. history, though. cnn's ed lavandera has been covering this story from el paso soon after it broke. >> ed filed this story a short time ago. >> reporter: here in el paso, investigators will continue to work throughout the night, processi ining the crime scene the walmart. this is the back of the building

you see behind me. investigatorsg in and out and the shopping center remain locked down. the victims that died inside the store will remain there, as the forensic experts continue to do their work inside. that's a gruesome, horrifying scene. that's happening as the investigation continues. we understand that federal investigators have opened up a domestic terrorism investigation. there's a hate crime component. local authorities here are taking the lead. everyone from local police to the governor of texas, vowing to prosecute the suspect to the full extent of the law. that means in the state of texas, this could be a case where we see the death penalty inflicted upon the suspect. there is still tense and agonizing moments for the families here. especially the family we met early today.

two of her children tell us they have been trying to connect with their mother, who they last spoke to as she was in the ch k checkout line in that walmart, moments before the shooting e rumtd eerupted. they have not heard from her throughout the day. and david romero, outside of the walmart store, waiting for her nephew to come out, when she started to hear the gunshots erupt. what she saw next is something she will never forget. >> i was waiting for him to come out. it was taking too long. i heard the first one. i was like, what's going on? it was so loud. very loud. everybody dropping. that's when i ran in there, trying to. i saw him run this way so i chased him.

i thought he got shot. and the baby -- my nephew, there's a baby that some man carried that got shot. the guy just gave him to the ambulance. i don't know. >> reporter: those are the witnesses of the scene this morning. that's the moments that many survivors and witnesses are experiencing and dealing with at this very moment. there is the efforts to get informations from the victims here. here, tonight, in the overnight hours, crime scene investigators inside that walmart. that will continue through the night. ed lavandera, cnn, el paso, texas. reaction is coming in from

politicians, throughout the united states. >> donald trump took to twitter saturday to condemn the attack. he said the shooting was not only tragic, it was an act of cow w cowardi cowardice. there's no reasons or excuses that would justify killing people. but beto o'rourke called out the president after the shooting. >> o'rourke said the president's rhetoric against minorities may have played a role in this attack. >> yes. we've had hate crimes every single one. during an administration, who had a president who called mexicans, rapists and criminals. though, mexicans have committed crimes at a lower rate, he is tried to make us afraid of them. attempting to ban all muslims from this country.

the mosque in texas was burned to the ground. the chants we heard in greenville, north carolina, send her back, talking about our fellow american citizens, duly elected to represent their constituents in the congress, happen to be women of color, he is a racist. and he stokes racism in this country. it doesn't just offend our sensibilities. it changes the character of this country. and there's details that we are waiting on. i'm just following the lead that i heard from tell paso police department, that they say there are strong indications that this shooter wrote the manifesto, and this was inspired by his hatred of people in this community. >> police are investigating whether the suspect wrote the manifesto that o'rourke mentioned. let's talk to brian levin, the

director of study of hate and extremism. brian, thank you for your time today. >> george, as always, thank you. >> absolutely. we appreciate you being with us to give us some insight on this. strong words from the democratic presidential candidate, beto o'rourke. el paso is his hometown. what are your thoughts how rhetoric might play into hate and extreme we're seeing. >> that's a great question. we came out this week with a roarke, where we said white supremacist, extremism, is the most descendant in a very diverse threat matrix. with respect to your specific question, we've done interesting research with west virginia university. we found in a after the muslim ban proposal came out, five days

of the san bernadino terrorist attack, hate crimes against muslims were 300% above the average daily for the first 11 months of the year. after the muslim ban proposal, went up a 23% increase. 2016, election month, worst month for hate crime in 14 years. and the day after election, which included a bomb plot against a muslim apartment complex, was the worst day since 2003. and our specific research, we did for the study of the center of hate and extreme himmiiextre studies from the southern united states. just give me one second. when candidate trump launched

his campaign on a news week. going back to 2016, that was the group that had the biggest increase during that month. >> want to talk about the alleged gunman, now. he gave up, without a shot fired. given your understanding of who would do this type of thing and why someone would do this type of disgusting thing, what do you think was behind that? i think it's chilling that it matches exactly what we wrote on page 3 of our study, that came out at the end of july. what i talked about in the study, how these kinds of extremi extremism, that she's are a terrorist act of white supremacists, we're waiting until authorities call it that. if one reads the manifesto, which i have, it references prior acts and a book and a

doctrine that is popular among white supremacists. we're seeing a vertical integrati integration. these folks are referencing prior killers and rioting, and trying to inscribe their own of another chapter of this racist bible of evil, that is taking place on the internet. it's a newer trend that we've been seeing. but it's scary and something we've seen, with young males, from about 19 to 21. and what they do is they're angry, they're frustrated, they're away from their families and left school. and what happens is, the fears, grievances and frustrations are amplified, sculpted and directed to who is regarded as legitimate targets of aggression in these subcultures. and this particular subculture is how whites are being overrun with people of color. with him, he was talking about latinos. he referenced texts that we're

talking about europe being overrun by muslims. his world, it's going to be latinos. one quick thing. you reference about political rhetoric. the tree of life back in october, it was around a contentious political season. and jews were targeted. but they were targeted because they wanted to help latino immigrants, according to that assailant. >> i want to delve in on the online chat boards. no reason to name the chat board. but the gunman posted his twisting reasoning on this board. it is ripe with racist and anti-semitic speconspirery theories. is there anything that can be done to monitor these sites? it was a short amount of time when he posed and the attack took place.

allegedly posted the message, i should say. >> we are waiting for official confirmation. but if we look at the past instan instances, these folks have posted on affinity-based platforms. there's been a migration -- this is in our study, too. go to prop 11, you'll see the study on twitter. they'reting radicalized obvious the web. and they're i'd logically motivated, dangerous or personal benefit and revenge. you can mix and match. but one is usually predominant. we have more ticking timebombs in the united states. white supremacist, supremism,p t

jihadists. social media companies need to do a better job. there's been a migration to these platforms that you discuss. the affinity-based platforms. they're not cats playing the piano, vicious, vicious, bigo y bigotry, by this assailant. >> given that this is a developing story -- and i want to be clear because i misspoke a moment ago. investigators are looking into, determining whether this alleged gunman posted this on that site, that doesn't deserve mentioning. we will bring you the updates. brian, we appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, as always. let's get some insight, now, from the scene from cnn law enforcement analyst, josh campbell, he's a former fbi supervisor special agent. >> josh spoke with alex marquardt, about the attack. let's listen. >> the bureau has opened what

they're calling a domestic, along with a state investigation. the fbi has opened a concurrent case to look at the motivation of the shooter, ideology, if there's a hate crime angle to this. trying to get into the mindset of the shooter. someone who came here on the basis of hate. i was covering another mass shooting, and the fbi providing resources. the profilers from the behavioral analysis at quantity coe. we can bet there will be a host of resources that the federal government will be bringing to bear. there's offices that are sending resources here and headquarters are standing by to deploy to this location, should they get

requests from state officials here. >> a fraj di, that played out. my home state. diverse people, and people coming together in times of tragedy. we're seeing that play out right now. we saw long lines, people coming together to donate blood given this terrible attack that happened. we'll have more on that, as "newsroom" continues. ♪

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26 others injured. this when a gunman opened fire at a shopping center. >> a 21-year-old has been destadetai detained and faces capital murder. >> he is going for blood. he's going for death. he wants the bloodlust. he wants to fulfill. after people start running, trigger finger. people were yelling, run, shooter. we got closer to the back, we didn't hear much of it. i'm going. >> at this point, many people

are unaccounted for after this shooting in el paso. >> our alex marquardt spoke with the mayor of el paso. >> we're waiting at one of the schools of el paso. it's tough. >> it's tough and heartbreaking. what about the investigation? what are authorities telling you? what more do we know about the investigation into him and his motive? >> there isn't much to update. this gentleman -- this murderer, who came from outside of el paso. no one in el paso would have done something like this. the investigations are going through and identifying the

bodies. and they're going through normal forensic work. and the families will be noti notifi notified. nothing new is happening yet. >> was the shooter -- do you know. was he known to authorities? >> i don't know that. i do not know that. he came from -- i think, allen, texas, where they said he came from. my point is, that just a real tragedy. >> just a normal saturday for people. and this tragedy struck. >> you and others have talked

about how tight-knit this community is. what has been the reaction, since the horrific massacre happened just nine hours ago? >> it's been significant. this is a generous community. it's a community that goes back 350 years. and people don't understand. there's the largest on the u.s./mexico border. there's nothing that can equate with juarez. probably never would have occurred in el paso. >> you must be heartened to see the long lines of donors coming out to donate blood. there's been calls for people to sign up online. what can people zoo do to help community right now?

>> the el paso donation website has set up a website. and continuing to tell people to donate blood. that's what we need. >> they are doing that. >> after the shooting, the call went out for donations. the blood supply is usually overwhelmed in situations like this. >> and dozens of people are lined up to donate blood. our wolf blitzer spoke with one of them. >> it's somber. you hear sniffling earlier, as the updates are coming across the tv in the waiting room. 28 lain continues to grow. the blood center is at max capacity. everyone in line, there's easily 75 to 100 people in line, and they're aware that all they're doing is standing in line to make appointments for tomorrow and monday. and they are willing to wait to get up to the front, to make an

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>> welcome back to cnn's continuing coverage of the mass shooting in el paso, texas. i'm natalie allen. >> i'm george howell. >> the mass shooting, this time in texas, at a mall wawalmart, el paso, saturday. 20 killed, 26 injured. >> thousands of people may have been in and around that store when the attack began. here's how one witness described the gunman and show she survived. >> he just walked in, and started shooting at everybody. we were hiding for ten minutes.

everything was calm. and i started pushing people out of walmart, and telling them to get out, get out. the first thing i heard was the gunsh gunshots. when i turned around, and to see what was going on, that's when i saw him and that's when i ran back with my mom and i told her, let's go, let's go. and i started to help the senior citizen, help her get out. getting people out of there. letting them know we need to exit out. >> before the 20 minutes to the first call to police, that said, i can't wait any longer. >> right now, we have a m manifesto from this individual, that indicates that it has

potential of hate crime. don't mean to step on fbi's toes. we're taking this down the road, of a murder investigation, with numerous casualties. and the state of texas will be the lead prosecutie ining agenc this. >> let's talk with casey jordan. criminologiaologist and attornem connecticut. >> good to be here. we believele the suspect came from outside of el paso. when he surrenders, he surren r surrendesurrende surrenders without a shot fired. >> according to the manifesto, he only planned this for a month. he is in allen, texas. he drove 650 miles to get sto e to el paso. if we're assuming that the manifesto is attributed to him,

it's filled with hatred towards immigrants. and el paso was targeted because of its large hispanic population. perhaps that walmart was specifically targeted because there's where so many people who cross the border all the time, mexican and americans, shop. he believes there's a real danger of latinos blending with the culture of the united states and taking a job. >> police are trying to determine if this suspect is attached to that manifesto. sites like this, rife with racist and anti-semitic conspiracy theories, really point out how people have twisted views. >> he uploaded this to the

internet before the massacre. it was an hour or so, before the shooting started. and fbi was aware of the postings and trying tole find out who wrote these threatening comments. he wrote he would not be taking a vibe. he said that the police, the only way he would be taken alive, if they were able to subdue him. it shows determine ace and raises questions. this shooting suspect was arrested without incident when the police drew down on him. he surrendered. the real answers will come when the interview and interrogation

to find out if what he wrote is what he felt. >> our reporting shows there was a post to this website, less than 20 minutes before the first call to police. it's something that investigators will be looking into. tell us about the things that police will be looking into to learn more about what was his motivation? >> the manifesto, currently, is our best clue to the investigation about the motive. a lot of people would argue, it glorifies him. but the truth is that we must, must examine these sorts of writings and sffigure out the algorithm. the police can't stay on top of

every threatening comment. how can we isolate which ones are verifiable and isolate an interview before it happens. there's a lot to do about the manifesto. and the manifesto will be asking, how long has he been doing this. was there any opportunity for intervention? it is too late, obviously, for this horrific attack. we can learn so much about this, to prevent future attacks. the interview and interrogation, if he's willing to speak to officers, which he will be, because he has a message to sends, that's going to lend a lot, too. he wants to be known for what he's done. we're afraid this can inspire

future shootings. >> is there a danger there, in suggesting that people should read the manifesto? isn't that what the person would have wanted? >> my position is, there's to way you can stop it. it's out there, it's been cashed. they're scrambling to bring it down. that's never going to be possible. and i would say, it should be left to the investigators to the police, to the people who study these sorts of crimes and really let the professionals try to figure out exactly what that message was, do some forensic text analysis and see what he wrote and compare it to other writings online, to basically, try to check the voracity of other threatening comments. your first amendment right is here to stay. i would like to show the

manifesto and do self-monitoring and self-policing. they are there to proliferate the message this manifesto espoused to, the hatred, the anti-immigration. they're not going to voluntarily shut it down. there's plenty other sites that can try to control wi vitriol and hate rhetoric. >> we appreciate your time. thank you. as more details emerge about the mass shooting, we can consider the threat of extremism and talk more about what drives people to commit atrocities like this one. beep goes off ]

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the latest, now, on our breaking news. a gunman opened fire at an el paso, texas, walmart, killing 20 people and injuring 26 others. >> and video from the scene, shows the chaos there, including people running out of that st e store. one man hiding under a table as the gunshots rang out. listen.

>>er t terrifying sound. the 21-year-old surrendered. cnn has learned that fbi has opened up an investigation. and the sergeant spoke about the suspect's capture. >> this has never occurred in my police officer as an el paso. him to be caught alive, it's hard to speculate why this happened. i'm glad to say, we did capture him and face i couldn't comment on how it is, whether he caught him or not. t. he's a supervisory agent at the fbi.

good to see you. it was a week ago, talking about the one from california. this appears to be a hate crime and there's a manifesto. what are you hearing about the suspect and his possible motives? >> i haven't heard anything official about this guy. it's similar to shootings over and over. 20 years, almost to the day, we had a shooting in los angeles, where a white supremacist drove from one city to los angeles, drove about 800 miles and spent the night in a hotel, and shot kids because they were jewish. these people love the manifestos. this is not something new.

this is the means they're having. >> it seems like we're seeing more young, white men, carry this out. this suspect was 21 years old. the suspect last week in california, at the food festival, in his early 20s. largely in part, because they are connected to dark channels on the web, because they want to encourage these kind of heinous acts. >> absolutely. before it was the -- before the web was there, they had short wave radios, which you find in these white supremacist groups and groups like them. they're people that are inadequate in their own minds. and the only reason they join these groups is, really,

sometimes, even more for self-worth. they get a feeling that nathey' not alone in things. they find some kind of validati validation, even in this horrible side of themselves. the self-validation has been the motive for years. and the internet is the place. before that, it was short wave radio. before that, all sorts of mailings and communications that way. >> and also, we also have heard that this shooter posted his manifesto just 20 minutes before entering that walmart parking lot, and starting to fire a rival. that just goes to show you how difficult it is for law enforcement, for intelligence, to stay ahead of these acts. >> i cannot -- i cannot even express how difficult it is. i mean, we would sit and look at

it, at one white supremacist group. and we could have an investigation on that group. and we could listen to them. we could investigate them. but if one person left that group, we could no longer follow them because they were no longer part of the organization. we're handicapped by free speech, which is generally a good thing. they use the free speech to ferment and form this hate. we're handicapped by legal situations. you can only follow people if they're part of the organization you're investigating. we know living in a free society a is a double-edged sword. >> and law enforcement officers, their fingers on the trigger, walking through the parking lot and trying to find a person who gave himself up. we appreciate your insights.

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tragedies like the mass shooting in el paso, texas always bring acts of heroism by ordinary people. >> and we heard from one man who turned his attention to helping children there at the scene. listen. >> i was buy aing a jersey, and little kid ran in there and said there was an active shooter in walmart. we didn't pay much attention because it was a kid. we didn't pay no mind. i walked to footlocker, and i heard two gunshots, and a bunch of people started running around and screaming. they shut the cage in footlocker. i have a license to carry. i'm in the military. when i hear gunshots, we're trained to think fast, take cover, you know, do anything you can. so a couple guys, they just ran out of footlocker, and i'm thinking, i'm the only one with

a weapon, i go with them. ki gua i can guard them or whatever. but i see a whole bunch of kids running around without their parent. i picked up as many kids as possible. there was another guy doing it as well. another hispanic guy was doing it as well. i could only get three. and he got about three as well. i was just focussed on the kids. i wasn't really worried about my testify. the i was thinking about if i had a kid running around, how i would want somebody to act. >> let's remember. one person, one act of evil, and then so many good people doing so many good things to save peop people's lives. >> we've covered the investigation and talked about the alleged gunman. in the days to come this will be about the people, the lives

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. this is cnn, breaking news. >> we continue to follow the breaking news. the mass shooting in el paso, texas. i'm george howell at the cnn center in atlanta. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. here's what we know at this hour. at least 20 people were killed, another 26 were hurt. some with life-threatening injuries, and a 21 year old suspect surrendered at the scene. the alleged gunman now in police custody. the fbi is treating this attack as possible domestic terrorism. the shooting started just about 10:30 local time when the walmart super