oblivious to that. here is the situation where they can take his rhetoric and say look, you know, i give the governor credit for not saying i'm not blaming him for this specific instance, which you can't and no one should. they will but no one should. the bottom line is, he is creating the opportunity for people to twist. the second thing, listen to the rhetoric going back. that rhetoric is equally as racist and equally as difficult for the left to do the same thing, and no one is blaming them for the violence. it goes both ways when it comes to the overhypotheticaled rhetoric. >> because there's no leftive manifesto that someone is leaving after a shooting. >> there is. >> one shooting. >> there's more than -- >> another hour of "state of the union" starts right now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. i'm jake tapper in washington. the state of our union is in mourning.

dozens kill ed and injured. in dayton, ohio, today, gunman opened fire early this morning at a popular night life district. nine people plus the suspected gunman are dead. here is what it sounded like from a car parked nearby. [ gun shots fired ] >> dude what the [ bleep ]. what the [ bleep ] >> just awful. authorities believe there was only one gunman there, that he used an ak-47 style rifle and body armor of some sort. no word as of now on a possible motive. 13 hours earlier in el paso, texas, a shooter gunned down 20 innocent people at a walmart near the border. a document posted online is believed to be-to-have been written by the suspected

terrorist. it is filled with white nationalist language and racist hatred, specifically toward immigrants and latinos. texas governor greg abbott says the incident is being investigated as a hate crime. state, local and federal authorities areel paso, texas, the people of dayton, ohio, unquote. the el paso shooting is the eighth deadliest. five of the top ten have occurred since 2016. joining me now from el paso, texas, is mayor dee margo. our deepest condolences to your community and the city of el paso. what can you tell us about this investigation and the survivors? >> jake, it's ongoing. they're processing the victims at the crime scene and verifying their next of kin and then

they'll be sent to the morgue for autopsy. but the waiting is tough. it's tough. no one is proepared for this. i certainly wasn't prepared for this. i think our police department was properly prepared when you look at the response times and how quickly they reacted, you know, the call went out at 10:39. they were there at 10:45. 11:06, he was apprehended. carnage could have been far worse. evil perpetrator from outside of el paso. i don't believe in el paso would have done anything like this. it's not reflective of our nature, our culture. we're a unique region. >> i have relatives who live in texas. my understanding is that it's back to school period right now, that school starts, i think, next week. is it your understanding that people in the walmart were

shopping for back to school supplies and the like? >> oh, absolutely. it was a normal saturday, preparing for the school year to begin. i mean, this will not define us. it's a tragedy that we have never experienced. and i hope to never, ever experience. none of us have been prepared for it. at least our law enforcement was, but no. we're going to have to deal with this. it's not going to get any easier. i don't think anything is going to be easier until after we -- or start passing until we conduct these 20 funerals. >> law enforcement officials are investigating this racist document that they believe was written by the alleged terrorist. what do officials know about that document and its hateful message? >> i have not heard anything updated. i have no updates on that.

i glanced at it. if he, in fact, did write it, he just is an evil person. he came from outside of el paso. he will not define us. we will recover. we are resilient. but i don't know. i don't know why. we still have a lot of evil in this world and he's a representative of that. >> people watching right now that want to help, what can they do? is there a number? should she support the red cross? a lot of americans at times like this -- not just americans but people around the world see the carnage in the city of el paso and want to help. what do you want them to do? >> couple of funds are set up. the health foundation, paso del

funds for the victims and the city will oversee that to make sure they do receive the funds. lot of people are giving blood. frankly, we need prayers and support. >> former congressman from el paso, beto o'rourke, said that the president's rhetoric is make things worse and creating an atmosphere of violence. do you agree? the things that the president says about immigrants? >> i'm not qualified to talk on that. i'm not a talking head. i'm focusing on el paso, the 20 deaths, their families and this community, how we can come together and not be victimized by this. this will not define us. we're a unique region that's been here 350 years. there's families on both sides, commerce on both sides. we're almost 2.5 million people and our average age is 32.

this will not define us. >> texas land commissioner george p. bush said in a statement that, quote, white terrorism is a, quote, real and present threat that we must all denounce and defeat. do you agree that white terrorism is a threat to the united states? >> jake, i'm not qualified to respond to that any more than the previous question. i'm focusing on el paso. there's evil in this world and it's unfortunate. >> four of the ten deadliest mass shootings in modern american history have taken place in texas. does that give you any pause as to why that might be? >> i've got to tell you with all due respect that question didn't even cross my mind. i did talk to the governor yesterday about what to expect and how to deal with it. i'm not trained to deal with this. i hope no mayor is ever trained to deal with this, nor have to deal with this. we'll persevere, go through one

day at a time, get through the funerals and bring our community together. >> mr. mayor, appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> you bet. >> cnn law enforcement analyst josh campbell is on the ground in el paso. shimon prokupecz is with me here. josh, let me start with you, and what you're learning about the suspected shooter there. he is in custody. is he talking to investigators? >> yeah. we're waiting to hear, swrajaker a readout on that interview. when a subject is either engaged by law enforcement, killed or turns the weapon on themselves, this is an instance where the subject was taken into custody without incident. we're told yesterday that law enforcement officers were attempting to do that interview. we haven't received a readout as far as what he's telling officers. if he's proud of what he did here, again, this investigation is continuing, regarding this

possible manifesto, that might be tied to him. he may very well admit to officers what he did. we're just waiting for those details from our sources, jake. >> shimon, i want to ask you about the shooting in date yton. we seem to have a clear idea, at least if you believe that this screed written, that it was his, hate crime, motivated by bigotry and hatred of latinos. do we have any idea what might have motivated the dayton shooter, whether it was a copycat, if he was a white supremacist? any idea at all? >> that's a focus of law enforcement, did this shooter in dayton act as a result of what happened in el paso? there's definitely the fbi agents there, local investigators were dayton police are looking at that. there's always concern of copy cats and that could be the case here. we just don't know yet.

all we really know is that he's a white male in his 20s, from a nearby area in montgomery county. we know he had an ar-style weapon and came with a lot of ammunition. really, if it wasn't for the police there, this could have been much, much worse. this guy came there, prepared to take out a lot of people. and police have made that very clear, that had they not stopped him in that one minute that they arrived on scene, this could have been far worse. >> we know, for example, from the pulse nightclub shooting, that was clearly somebody targeting gay men. >> that's right. >> that was a gay nightclub in florida in 2016. do we know anything about the place he was targeting, the

bars? >> no. it is interesting he didn't enter the bar. he did this outside. was it just an opportunity he saw some people gathered outside and just chose this as an area, or did he research this? is there more to this than we know right now? hopefully at the next update by police, we will know. definitely whether or not this is a copycat, whether or not the shooting in el paso triggered this. it happened within hours after the el paso shooting. that's definitely something that law enforcement will be concerned about. >> julia, police are investigating this document filled with white supremacist, racist, hatred toward immigrants, latinos. they believe it was written by the alleged terrorist in el paso, texas. you have talked and speak very

eloquently about terrorism. explain what that is and why it might be relevant here. >> it's a way of describing an atmosphere that's created in, say, a community or nation like ours. it's the use of mass media, social network platformors whatever else to amplify hatred and the targeting of specific individuals, mexicans, african-americans, lgbtq community. that language incites violence, utterly predictable. yes, people will get radicalized but the specific incident. who does it, where, how, is unpredictable. it's a way of describes an atmosphere of radicalization as compared to say from counterterrorism jihadism where it was very specific focus, training was involved. it's a different way of describing. what we're seeing -- i read the manifesto -- form of white supremacy, the sense that the

existence of the other, in this case hispanics, is a zero sum game. their existence makes my existence as a white male, in the case of this killer, makes it impossible. they actually view it as an enemy. that is overlaid by the president and others sort of a wink and nod. they don't ackno it. it's not e been using the past 24 hours. it's not shamed and we need to shame is it from the white house on down. >> right now the mayor of dayton is holding another news conference on the shooting. >> body armor, used an ak assault rifle.

we had 10 fatalities, including the shooter. that number is still the same from this morning. the hospitals have had 27 people treated and 15 discharged as of 10:00 this morning. in less than one minute, dayton first responders neutralized the shooter. i'm still amazed at the heroics of our police department where they stopped the shooter within under a minute. we're grateful for their service. if you're a family or friend of a victim call 937-333-8430, or come to the convention center. and if youmation on the incident as investigating is ongoing 937-225-6217.

we are grateful for all the supporters and folks helping us from the american red cross, the fbi, atf, et cetera. the community blood link is helping the red cross. we'll have more information on that. 8:00 p.m., a vigil will be held for the community and families of those who lost their life. we'll have a location for you, again in the coming hours. oregon district will be opened coming this afternoon in the early afternoon. i'm going to let some folks speak. we'll do questions. first, i would like to have dr. simon come forward. >> thank you, mayor whaley. i'm a trauma surgeon at miami dade hospital, level one trauma center for the greater dayton

region. our facility activated our mass casualty plan around 1:30 a.m. this morning in association with the mass casualty incident here in downtown dayton. that mobilized our entire team. our facility received a total of 16 patients, of which 12 have been treated and released. we have a total of four patients currently admitted and one remains in critical condition. some of those have undergone or will undergo surgery later today. we are continuing to support the many families who are arriving at our facility and our thoughts and prayers are certainly with all those families. we worked in conjunction with other facilities in the area to identify, treat and communicate information in a timely manner to these families. >> thank you. >> next, we'll have elizabeth long from keterring health

networ network. >> good morning. kettering health received patients at three of our hospitals, grand view medical center in dayton received the most. we had nine people treated, seven were brought in by squad and two walked in. of those nine patients, three are in serious condition, three are in fair condition and three were treated and then discharged. two were taken to surgery immediately. one person is still being considered for surgery. the injuries ranged from gun shot wounds to the lower extremities to abdominal wounds. one person came in for laceration to a foot that

happened during the chaos right after that incident at kettering medical hospital, our flagship facility, one person was brought in, in serious condition and soy medical center two people were brought in, treated and released. we want to commend our hospital staff all the way from our e.r. physicians and nurses and tech anythings to the people who came in right away when we called the code yellow, alerting people that we needed backup. we want to commend them for the great job they did. also commending city of dayton police and first responders, they're the first line of treatment for people coming in. so we just wanted to commend them for a job well done. >> thank you very much. >> thanks. we have an organization that we

work with when we have incidents called police and community together. clergy, i'm sorry. thank you. police and clergy together. having a hard time. your prayers, please. so we would like to have pastor burks come forward and say more. >> thank you, mayor. firstly, i want to say our prayers and thoughts are with all the victims and their families. second, we want to really acknowledge the police department, dayton police department, quick response. we were very thankful for that, and the first responders. we just want to let the community know that we've been here from the start. we've been counseling family members. we have a variety of resources. we are here, and remain here. we just want to let you know that this is a community effort

and we're doi ining everything can to help out in this. >> thank you, pastor. okay, guys. question? yes? [ inaudible question ] >> certainly it's a sunday so some of the businesses are typically -- some of them take sunday and monday off because it's mostly local but it's up to each business if they want to open. the street will be open this afternoon. >> to go back down to the oregon district? >> it's one of the safest places in the whole region. you know, these senseless acts of violence that occur have been happening any place. i don't mean to scare people but frankly, we're in a situation now in our country that you're really -- these are so random, there's no place where you could say, i just don't ever want to

go anywhere. as far as the safety, the district is one of the safest places in the whole region. [ alking about the shooting earlier this morning in her city, a shooting that happened roughly 13 hours after a different mass shooting in el paso, texas. i want to go back to the point that juliette kayem was making. we can start at beginning because people are just now tuning in. sacastic terrorism, why this might be relevant to these acts by white supremacists, whether at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh or walmart in el paso, yesterday, why it might be relevant to these horrific acts of white terrorism we're seeing. >> the idea of radicalization, how it occurs, depends on the terrorist organization.

to give a comparison, think of al qaeda where that kind of radicalization took place in afghanistan, close-knit group. had you to fight with bin laden. that has changed over time because of social media and the nature of terrorism. what we're seeing and how we're beginning to describe white terrorism or white supremacy terrorism, it's a form of sacastic terrorism. social media platforms, pulpits, wherever else, are being used to radicalize groups of people against the other, right, mexican, lgbtq community, whoever else. and that means that that means that one of those listeners can be radicalized. that's predictable. what's unpredictable is when they do it, where they do it and who they target. the point i was making,

president trump, the white house and leadership to not give a safe haven or amplify this hatred because the listener is likely to become radicalized. i'm not going to blame donald trump for this specific event but what i will blame donald trump and the white house for is not shaming white nationalism. ideologies don't die. nazis didn't die with world war ii. nazis still exist. they became shamed. you couldn't get a job. you couldn't go out in the world as a nazi, right? and you minimize the ideology and shame it in society. the president is not shaming it. i use that term shame iing. it isn't a wink and a nod. you need to shame this stuff, isolate it and make these people feel like they're not part of a greater movement that's condoned by the white house. >> juliette kayyem, appreciate

it. phil mud, you're former senior official with the fbi. what's going on right now in the investigation in el paso? >> a couple of pieces. you have to look back. you have to look forward. looking forward is what i would be thinking of, copycats, people on the radar that have psychological issues if that person can do it, i should have the courage to go out and act on that anger myself. what was the motive, looking back? you have to be careful that nobody gets motivated to go forward and do the same thing. in the looking back piece, one quick comment. this is an area where the media will outpace the people who are experts for one simple reason. we don't know answers to questions i would have if i were in the business. did he break up with his girlfriend yesterday? did he get fired yesterday?

are there other contradictory items on his computer that suggest a competing ideology? i could draw conclusion that the document we saw in el paso is probably the motivation but i'm not 100% yet. >> as you noted, shimon, one of the things that the police and fbi in dayton are looking for, is this a copycat, as you talked about, somebody looking forward? >> the other concern about the fbi, we've heard the concern from the fbi director, local law enforcement is very concerned about this. they have to start going through these or platforms where this stuff is living, where people are consuming and perhaps getting radicalized by consuming all of this. there's a lot of concern that if the fbi doesn't step in and start doing more than the local law enforcement will have to do more on this issue. there is a lot of concern now across big police departments in this entire country that this is going to continue to happen. is there something they can do to prevent this? >> my next guest has made trying

to stop or at least curtail violence as part of his 2020 presidential campaign, calling for a federal licensing system and a ban on what are called assault weapons. joining me now in new jersey, cory booker. senator booker i would say good-bye b morning but it's not a good morning. what was your reaction when you heard about the el paso shooting and then wake up and hear about dayton? >> first of all, the horror of it. having been the mayor of a big city, you know the horrors of mass shootings and what it does. first and foremost, obviously, your thoughts and prayers are with all the victims, families who have lost people, people who now have months, years of recovery. but you also know thoughts and prayers are not enough. and i turn my attention to the person who is leading this

country, who is, in my opinion in this moral moment, who is failing. i think at the end of the day, especially because this was the white supremacist manifesto that i want to say with more moral clarity that donald trump is responsible for this. he is responsible because he is stoking fears and hatred and bigotry. he is responsible because he is failing to condemn white supremacy, seeing it for what it is, so responsible for terrorist attacks. is he responsible because he's president of the united states and has failed to do anything significant to stop the mass availability of weapons to people who intend to do harm. last l lastly, he's responsible because leaders take responsibility. we are responsible for each other in this culture, in this society and our president, in the highest moral position of the land, should be taking responsibility in this painful,

difficult moment, coming forward, telling us what he will do to address hate, to address white supremacy, to address guns and this mass violence. the cowardice of others is more a reflection of his failure to take responsibility and cowardice in a time when we need leadership. >> the screed, the document that law enforcement is looking into, whether the terrorist, white supremacist in el paso wrote it, he used the language we've heard from the president in terms of calling migrants coming into this country an ininvasion, something that the president has said. the shooter said he thought this way and had these beliefs before president trump and that president trump is not responsible. i don't know how you make sense of any of this, but what did you think when you saw that? >> mass murderer who is

trafficking in hatred and bigotry, literally trying to give some kind of exculpatory reaction to the president, come on. our president right now is using the same language of racism, bigotry and white supremacy. the way this president is talking about immigrants, minorities in this country, these are the words that are used by the kind of folks that are in the darkest corners of the internet and, as we saw in this terrorist attack, the kind of people that ultimately manifest that hatred and violence. for him not to take responsibility for that is a moral failing. and for him not to understand the failure to condemn it or see the seriousness, terror attacks since 9/11, the majority of

those have been white supremacist. we have a president that's not only failing to call out white supremacy, who in charlottesville tried to create a savagely false equivalency. but he, himself, is using the language of hate on a regular basis to talk about congresspeople, to condemn urban places, to talk about immigrants. and he is responsible in his language. and he is fueling and giving license to this kind of hate in our country. >> there is this theory, stochastic terrorism, the idea of a leader using mass media to demonize a particular group, whethe jews, immigrants, whatever. and what appears to be lone wolf psychotics attacking that one group where the individual attack is not predictable but the general trend of it is predictable because of the

implication of the bigotry. and it sounds like you are saying -- you're not using the clinical term of stochastic terrorism but in a way are holding president trump responsible for these acts, whether it's the tree of life synagogue shooting or el paso. >> jake, i want to continue to speak in this time with moral clarity. we are a nation where we are each other's bond, magnitude. we belong to each other. and we have a president of the united states who is savagely fraying the bonds of our nation by speaking consistently words of hatred. words of division, words of demonization and demagoguery. he is fueling an environment where white supremacists and people who have ill will are finding more and more license to strike out against the vulnerable, to strike out against the immigrant, to strike

out against, quote, unquote, the other. this is a moral moment in our country, and our president is failing in his moral role to unite this nation, to heal, to bring about the best of humanity in america. and so he is responsible for what is going on and is doing nothing, nothing to stop the carnage and the canhaos. nothing in terms of gun legislation. nothing in terms of taking steps against white supremacy that we should take. nothing in terms of the kind of rhetoric that elevates, that brings together, that bonds. instead, he is ripping at our nation. he is tearing people down. he is tearing us apart. this is a moral moment. and he is failing this nation. and what we saw in this last 24 hours, he must be held

responsible. >> let's talk about the bold, ambitious, overreaching, depending on one's point of view, i suppose, gun control plan that you would pursue as president. as you know, the senate has been reluctant to take up any gun legislation in the wake of mass shootings, including after 20 little children were killed at sandy hook, whether it's universal background checks, red flag laws. what are you proposing that you think you should actually get through the senate? i'm sorry to put it -- you're talking about morality. i totally appreciate that on a morning like this. but there also is the -- you know, there's morality and then what can get through the senate. >> again, remember strom thurman, longest filibuster in senate history, was trying to stop civil rights legislation. we were a nation that when people died, we changed laws in the senate in response to women

throwing themselves out windows, dying to their death in those sweat shops. we were a nation that overcame filibusters in the senate when four girls were killed in a bombing. we responded. and so now here we are, in a moral moment again. and it's not for girls or the horrific deaths of women. this is mass shooting after mass shooting, before we could even bury our dead, another one happens. and so you want to know about a president that will take responsibility? don't tell me what can't get done. the senate is replete with a history of things that could not pass but then did. what we need is a leader who is going to have a bold and ambitious plan. let me tell you, i make no bones about it. i challenge everyone in the democratic primary race to have -- to join me on common sense things like gun licensing. in this country, you need a license to drive a car, you should need a license to buy and

possess a firearm. states that have done that have seen dramatic drops in shootings and the problem is right now, as we saw recently in gilroy and gavin newsom spoke to this in california, we now have a reality because laws are getting strict in some states, go to the neighboring state with less laws. we need to stop this patchwork of laws that endangers people everywhere. we need to have a federal policy of gun licensing, of one handgun a month, the kind of things i put out in my plan that are evidenced based that will drive down, shootings will end this nightmare of the kind of carnage i'm every democrat to stand up in this moral moment and say i will do what is necessary to protect folks. how will i get that done? the same way we've gotten big things done all the time. having leaders, number one, who

are willing to stand up and put forth a bold vision, a dream of where this country should go and muster the moral majority, muster the majorities in congress to get it done. that's the kind of leader i'll be. >> last question, sir. that is the mass shootings shock us and horrify us. 20 people killed in el paso, nine people killed in dayton. as you know, better than i, being the mayor of newark, most gun deaths are not from mass shootings. most gun deaths are not from semi automatic weapons. most gun deaths, and in terms of homicides, are from handguns and individuals like the people that you invoke, the victims on the street in newark. how would your gun legislation prevent those, the ones that don't get the media attention because they're one offs,

they're incidents that take place in the intercity and frankly because they're individual and because it takes place in high-crime areas, the media doesn't pay as much attention to it. >> that's why it's such a personal issue for me and why i feel so driven. mass shooting to mass shooting, as frequent as they're getting, to where we barely have a time to digest one in our gut, we see another one happen. the reality is that in communities like mine, you know, you see these happening with chilling frequency every day in america, 100 people dying due to gun violence. for me, having seen a child, teenager, bleed out, trying vainly to stop them from bleeding, shrines on street corners with teddy bears and candles to children killed, going to the perversion of a funeral where parents are burying their children, this is what drives me on this issue and

why i'm going to use every moment of this presidential campaign and, god willing, in my presidency to drive this point home. we need full measures, full-throated commitment to deal with this uniquely american problem. americans need way in other countries unless they're in war. we've had more people die in this nation in the last 50 years due to this gun violence crisis than all of our wars combined, from the revolutionary war to the wars in the middle east. this is a uniquely american problem i believe we can solve it with that unique american spirit that says enough. we can do things we know that can protect our houses of worship, concerts, malls. we need to stop this before it visits on your community. it's time for a moral courage, empathy. we need leaders t take responsibility. >> senator cory booker, democrat

in new jersey, thank you for joining us on this tough day. appreciate it, sir. >> thank you. >> after the massacre in el paso yesterday, investigators are looking at a document posted online and believed to have been written by the suspected terrorist in el paso, filled with white nationalist language and hatred for immigrants and latinos specifically. >> i want to bring in the former hud secretary, former mayor of san antonio and the only latino in the 2020 presidential field, secretary julian castro. thank you for joining us on this horrible morning. tell us how you reacted when you learned of these horrific mass murders? >> like other americans. heart broken. i have a family. i can only imagine what the families in el paso and in dayton are going through. i also think, like many people, it is infuriating to see another

two mass shootings when we average a mass shooting a day now in the united states and we know what we need to do to change as a country. >> what do we need to do to change as a country? what can be done to, if not stop this, curtail it? >> we need to do a whole slue of things from ensuring we have universal background checks to limiting the capacity of magazines, to ensuring that we have red flag laws that are able to catch individuals who may represent a danger to themselves or other people. we need a renewed weapons ban so that these weapons of war are not out there on the streets. most americans, i believe,

support these kinds of measures but because of the inaction of congress, politics you who listen listened to >> a document they believe is written by the alleged shooter, alleged terrorist, filled with white nationalist and racist hatred toward immigrants, specifically hispanics. you would be the first latino man ever elected president. i don't know if you read the document or have read about it. but i'm wondering what your reaction is. >> i did have a chance to read through the manifesto and, i mean, this is something that represent represents the complete opposite of the country i know and state of texas i know. what's special about a place

like el paso and city of san antonio where i'm from is that now for generations it has been a bicultural place where people of different backgrounds get along. they go to church together. they go to school together. they live near one another. yet there is a lot of, you know, camaraderie, sense of community. it's so different from the picture that that shooter was painting of what we can become in the united states. and i know that his dark heart does not reflect what's in the vast majority of americans, no matter what their background is. this is another example of the bigotry, the hate. we need leadership at every level in our public and private life that is encouraging people to understand each other.

to have compassion, respect for one another and appreciate our differences instead of to fuel bigotry, hate and division. >> your campaign rival and fellow texan, beto o'rourke, said, quote, president trump's racism does not just offend our sensibilities, but challenges the character of this country and leads to violence. you haven't gone that far this morning. do you think congressman o'rourke is saying something that's unfair? do you see any sort of link between the comments the president makes and this kind of violence? what do you think? >> i believe that president trump is making it worse. look, the person that is responsible for this shooting is the shooter. at the same time, if you're in a position of leadership, you set the tone for the country.

and there's no question that this president is setting a tone of division and fanning the flames of bigotry and of hate. and he's not making it any better. he's making it worse. and so i do believe that president trump himself, i hope that personally the events of the last 24 hours will cause him to reflect on the kind of president he has been so that as he goes forward, he can try to move the country forward. bigotry is the way to stir some people up so they'll vote for you. that's dangerous. >> president trump condemned the shooting in el paso, called it a

hateful act, act of cowardice. is that enough? >> the president needs to be quicker in the future to routinely condemn the type of hate we see in this country and refrain from stirring up that kind of pig oughtry, whether it's those rallies or after what happened in charlottesville. this president has been terrible when it comes to bringing us together as american. >> ten of the mass modern shooting took place in your home state of texas. 26 people were killed in souther land springs in 2017, 23 killed in the cafeteria in 1991, 18 killed in the university of texas 1966, now 20 people killed in el paso. what do you make of that fact?

>> the nra, for years, has said that the answer to these mass shootings is more guns, that a good guy with a gun is the answer. i'll tell you, jake, think about this. we're in texas. that shooter went into a situation where people routinely carry guns. concealed carry is allowed here. open carry is allowed here. campus carry is allowed here. he knew that he was going into a walmart with 1,000 or 2,000 people in it. certainly people are packing. that didn't deter him. and it didn't keep those people safe. >> your fellow presidential candidate cory booker suggested that even 2020 candidates who don't support his gun licensing plan requiring every gun owner in america to get a license, the same way drivers would get a driver's license, that if you don't support it, you're part of

the problem. do you support gun licensing and if not, how do you respond to senator booker? >> i think that we do need to know who has these guns when they're sold, who they change hands to. cory booker has good information about who has these gun bus we also have to combine that with things like red flag laws that give the ability to take guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them in the first place. people who represent a danger to themselves or somebody else. >> secretary castro, thank you for joining us on this horrible sunday. appreciate your time, sir. >> thank you. much more on our breaking news coverage of these two awful mass shootings. we'll take a quick break and be right back. this summer at panera,

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city apparently fueled by white supremacist notions and hatred. anti-defamation league says shooting in el paso may be the third deadliest act of violence by extremists in the united states in more than 50 years. our panel is back with me. amanda carpenter, you're new on the panel here. your response to this in dayton, ohio? >> i've been watching carefully what republicans have been saying and i come down here right now. the only thing can you muster to offer are that yous and prayers then those thoughts should be very clear and unequivocal about condemning white terrorism. if the words radical islamic terrorist can roll off your tongue, it should equally roll off your tongue when it happens in another case. >> why do you think it doesn't? >> i don't know. i don't know. it's a refusal to acknowledge

the problem before us. if you cannot name the problem, you will never solve it. that's where i'm hung up. we easily identify it in other cases. >> clearly, the person in el paso is a white supremacist. look, i don't know of any republican who wouldn't say that what we saw in el paso, given the manifesto and given this legitimacy and everything that works out is clearly act of white sprems and should be called that. it's terrorism in its worse form. >> you see it already. the president won't call it what it is. >> he did issue a tweet condemning it. he didn't call it white nationalism. >> and he should. when it gets confirmed, he should. >> and when he thinks it's an act by a muslim if, he thinks

it's islamic terrorism, he jumps out before any facts are known and calls it that. i'm not suggesting that he does that in this case, jumps out ahead of the facts but you're saying you don't know any republicans that won't condemn it. look at the office holder's tweets, what they're putting out. very few are calling it what it is. >> it is relevant to the conversation we're having right now. you heard juliette kayyem, former dhs official with the obama administration talking about -- i think it's stochastic terrorism, the idea that people around their leaders, and juliette said president trump, fueling hatred around a specific group in this case immigrants and there's no specific link between any of these leaders, whether it's info wars or whatever, saying these hateful things.

then there's violence against these individuals and the theory is that it is part -- it is all part and parcel even though the individual acts cannot be predicted. you used to be an fbi official. >> yeah. >> do you agree with that theoriy? >> let's be clear. there's a difference between a sociopath and the tone set by the president of the united states. let me offer, nobody is responsible for sociopath killing children. we are responsible for tone. same thing happened in the days of al qaeda. somebody sets a tone. violence is valid. if you do a numbers game, 330 million americans, a sociopath is going to look at the current environment, and say that validates the hatred i have. there is a separation between a tone set by a leader and the acts of a sociopath. nonetheless, the leadership is responsible for tone. do not give anybody validation for violence by suggesting that immigrants are bad.

so disconnect, sure. in terms of responsibility for an individual act. political leaders are responsible for tone. last comment, president bush, after 9/11, i thought his tone was right on. careful, guys. this is not about islam. this is going after people who are responsible for murdering almost 3,000 innocent americans. >> and what's interesting about this theory is that, you know, you hear conservatives all the time, rightly so in my opinion, talk about the tone set by people in the arab world. palestinian leaders talking about -- and the way they talk about israelis, justifying in the same way you're doing no, direct link necessarily between what the leader says and violence between some israeli girl and a peets rea, but the idea you're validating this hatred and yet people don't -- you can't compare the ideology of hamas with anything else. either tone matters or it doesn't. >> no leader in america, i don't care whether you're a mayor, dog catcher, president of the united states, no one wants to do

violence in this country should think they have a friend in higher office. that needs to stop. when you look at these mass shootings on the rise since 2012, to me the big thing that has changed is the internet. clearly, people are being radicalized online by the internet. maybe the president's messages are filtering down. certainly we have it in our capacity to start figuring this out because something is very wrong here. and it needs to be looked at in a smart, responsible, nonpartisan way. >> when the president condemned violence this morning, unequivocally, he has consistently condemned violence. the idea that the president hasn't been clear. when you compare that to hamas and to the palestinian authority, which rewards the families of terrorists who actually -- >> i said there's no comparison. >> it's a fundamental difference. >> i said there's no comparison. >> there is no comparison and you shouldn't have brought that -- >> tone matters or it doesn't.

>> tone matters but the president has been very clear, violence is unacceptable in any form. >> i would like to point out, he didn't -- >> i don't know if we had the clip ready but three months ago the president was in the panhandle of florida, talking about the threat of migrants coming over the border and someone yelled "kill them." and the president chuckled and the audience chuckled and the president said only in the panhandle can you get away with that. only in the panhandle. the idea that he has consistently done so is not true. >> absolutely. >> i think he was -- >> i'm sorry, they is said shoot them. >> he should have condemned that. look, the idea that the president is somehow or another responsible or promoting violence is over the top. >> responsible for his tone, though. >> i agree with phil that he is responsible for his tone. his tone has been curious to horrible at times, and he needs

to understand that people can twist that tone for malicious purposes. >> he promotes violence all the time when he suggests that, you know, send her home, send her back, when -- if you are at the rallies and you're a reporter and you are being physically threatened, you can't ignore the fact that with a wink and a nod he sends official statements that says violence is bad. punches someone at a rally, that he has a tone that's rough and gruff and aggressive all the time. >> i would make a point. even if you don't agree that president trump has a role to incite violence, what does he do to make anyone feel safe? where is the safe place in america right now from gun

violence? >> that predated trump. a lot of people today arguing he has not made it better. i'll be back at noon with the very latest on this horrible story. cnn has much more on these mass shootings. next, we're live at noon with kamala harris and bernie sanders. stay with us. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> at least 20 dead in el paso, texas, nine are dead in dayton, ohio, along with the gunman there. he attacked a neighborhood crowded with bars and clubs overnight in the oregon district of dayton. we are still learning more about both sites, both shooters and about the victims. the attack in el paso, we know, is the deadliest mass shooting in