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this is cnn breaking news. we continue following the breaking news this hour. two separate mass shootings in the united states from texas to ohio. and two communities dealing with the aftermath. welcome to viewers here the united states and around the world. i'm george howell at cnn world headquarters in atlanta. at least 29 people are dead in total after these mass shootings. the latest shooting in dayton, ohio, that happened on sunday. nine people were killed there when a gunman opened fire outside of a bar in the city's oregon district. the attacker was shot dead by police. 13 hours before that, a different mass shooting in el paso, texas.
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the alleged gunman there killing 20 people. in el paso, the case is being treated as domestic terrorism. the alleged gunman is in custody charged with capital murder. authorities say that he posted a racist manifesto online, this just moments before the attacks. cnn's ed lavandera has the very latest on the investigation. >> reporter: at 10:39 saturday morning came the first calls for help. a 21-year-old white male walked into this walmart store in east el paso and unleashed a deadly attack with an assault-style rifle. >> everybody in the mcdonald's is wondering what happened. i'm looking to see what's going on and more people are coming in and then i hear boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. we all run out of the mcdonald's. >> reporter: thousands of shoppers including families simply thinking of their back to school shopping lists filled the store and parking lot where the shooting started. >> there was -- people were running from inside the mall to dillard's and they were just screaming to get out.
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>> i told my mother, mom, there are gunshots, we need to go. she froze and did not move. i told her, let's move, get down, get down. >> reporter: shoppers took cover, businesses went on lockdown, and first responders rushed to locate an active shooter. within hours el paso police spokesman robert gomez said an arrest had been made. >> we do have one person in custody. i can confirm that it is a white male in his 20s. the suspect lived some 600 miles away in the town of allen, texas, a sprawling superb north of dallas. the gunman was arrested without incident just a few blocks from the walmart store. federal sources tell cnn the shooter left an online manifesto. filled with anti-immigrant views and a hatred of hispanics. >> right now we have a manifesto from this individual that indicates to some degree it has a nexus to potential hate crime. the fbi will be looking into that with other federal authorities, but right now we're
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looking at potential capital murder charges for this individual. >> reporter: hours after the attack, local political leaders tried to grasp the magnitude of the loss. >> there were 20 families that woke up whole this morning, with their loved ones, and when the sun sets tonight here in el paso, they'll go to bed without them. >> reporter: on sunday, el paso's district attorney jaime esparza announced the gunman will face the most severe punishment. >> the state charge is capital murder. so he is eligible for the death penalty. we will seek the death penalty. >> we are treating it as a domestic terrorism case. and we're going to do what we do to terrorists in this country, which is deliver swift and certain justice. >> ed lavandera there with the reporting. now to ohio. authorities there don't yet know what the motive was behind the shooting in dayton, but former classmates say the gunman had a
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list of students he either wanted to hurt or kill back in high school. nine people in total were killed and many more were injured, this after the shooter opened fire outside of a bar early sunday. cnn correspondent ryan young has the latest from the scene. >> reporter: a flurry of shots show the brief but deadly moments that the suspected gunman opened fire on saturday night crowds in downtown dayton, ohio. police say the gunman parked his car and walked through dayton's oregon district, a neighborhood known for its night life, and began firing shots just after 1:00 a.m. >> dude, what the [ bleep ]. >> reporter: surveillance video shows crowds running from the shots. >> shots fired! shots fired! >> a3, where you at? >> reporter: dayton police routinely patrol the area on saturday nights and were able to respond in seconds. >> a suspect opened fire along the oregon district. he was wearing body armor and used a .223 caliber high-capacity magazine.
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he had additional magazines. >> the threat was neutralized in approximately 30 seconds of the suspect firing his first shots. >> dispatch, we've got shots fired. we've got multiple people down. we're going to need multiple medics. >> reporter: two women say they were out with girlfriends. >> people just started running. they started pushing us out the back door. >> reporter: her friend says she remembers chatting with a woman about their outfits, but the next time she saw her -- >> she was laying on the concrete dead outside of the club that we was at. >> reporter: robert woodruff said he was standing several feet away from the gunman when he fired shots. >> i thought i was going to die. the officer standing over top of me. he started shooting at the guy, so he saved everybody that was out here. >> reporter: despite the quick response, at least nine were killed and more than a dozen injured. one of those killed was the shooter's own 22-year-old sister. >> the officers who were
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involved in ending this tragedy, their professionalism, their quickness, their amazing courage and their response undoubtedly saved many, many, many lives. we will never know how many lives were saved. the assailant was obviously very, very close to being able to kill dozens and dozens more people. >> reporter: ryan young, dayton, ohio. >> the head of the fbi is ordering agents across the country to conduct a nationwide threat assessment for mass shootings. sources say the field offices in the u.s. will scour for threats that sound similar to the shootings in dayton in el paso and gilroy, california, concerned about pop copycats. the fbi had already set up a so-called fusion cell to focus on white supremacists and hate crimes. the internet message board 8chan went offline just a few
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minutes ago. our last check at 3:00 a.m. eastern time. it is offline, this after internet infrastructure company cloudfair stopped providing support for the site. officials believe the suspect in the el paso shooting posted a white nationalist message on the site just before that attack. cloudflare says it will no longer help 8chan online because it believes the site is, quote, lawless. it goes on to say this. even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an veermt that revels in violating its spirit. let's talk more about this with terrorism and security analyst joining us from sweden. good to have you with us. >> good morning. >> look, there is a lot to focus on with this website that police say the alleged gunman posted his manifesto to. that site is now down as of 3:00 a.m. eastern time. the chat board is rife with
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white supremacist and anti-semitic conspiracy theories. how significant is it that the site is now offline or does that even matter? do these people just find another place to go? >> in the long run, i'm afraid it won't matter very much. it's a very important site for this particular group, if we can call it that. it's not really an organized group but aficionados of these kind of conspiracy causes, extreme right-wing causes, that like to connect in the digital domain and seek one another's approval, seek one another's ideas, seek to community. communicate. and the big concern the last few months has been this platform, 8chan or infinity chan is a platform for actually radicalizing these people. so it's not just communication that's the concern, but that we now have people who go there to get the ideas to maybe get the
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urging from fellow people on the website to launches these kinds of attacks. yes, you're right, george, it's a concern here in the sense that this particular site might go down, but we've seen in the past that time and time again they find new platforms to use, and often it takes law enforcement if not several days at least several weeks to catch up to figure out where people migrated to and to then start to monitor the new platform. >> the fbi director has ordered offices around the country to do this new threat assessment to identify risks and prevent future mass attacks. how challenging would you say it is for authorities to monitor these groups and to try to stay ahead of people who would actually carry out some of these attacks that they share online or with friends? >> it's quite challenging. we see some parallels but also some differences when we look at other forms of terrorism, particularly when we look, for
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instance, at islamic terrorism or extremism that we've seen in the past. what you notice with these websites is that people like to connect in some cases in larger groups and be part of an infrastructure or a network. when it comes to extreme right-wing, it's more often individuals pinging ideas and concepts off one another and not really becoming part of a bigger organization. it makes them harder to track, harder to trace, harder to identify in the first place. when you talk about the concept of lone wolves, we see actually in the execution of the crime in the build-up that we see this actually more with extreme right-wing than we do with other causes, whether it's left-wing, nationalist or islamic. so when you look at this right-wing extremism, it's an extremely hard form of terrorist activity to be able to track at an early stage unless you really have experts who know those
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particular chat rooms, those particular individuals and groupings who hang around particular issues. and i think what we heard director wray talk about with the fbi, it's something that in essence a lot of people in the security community have been calling for on a much larger scale for a longer time in the sense that we already do this kind of large-scale analysis on an ongoing basis for other forms of terrorism, but very little yet for extreme right-wing terrorism. >> we have just a short amount of time, but i do want to ask you this question. should authorities be concerned about this possibility, you know, of copycats given what we've seener if we've seen? >> absolutely. we talk about the extreme right wing and these acts of violence, particularly here el paso, it's less clear what's happening with dayton. we see that there is this kind of dynamic. we've seen it from breivik
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running all the way to new zealand in march of this year and we see it now again with people feeding off of each other. what's still not clear from all the analysis is just how tight these links are. which people are susceptible to follow up with this type of activity, but that it exists and that they feed off one another and previous incidences is exceedingly clear. >> live from sweden, thank you again for your time. >> thank you. the victims of the two mass shootings are being remembered. we'll tell you what though communities in dayton and el paso, what they are doing to remember an honor the dead. ♪ i want it that way... i can't believe it. that karl brought his karaoke machine? ♪ ain't nothing but a heartache... ♪ no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. ♪ i never wanna hear you say... ♪
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two communities, el paso, texas and dayton, ohio, these two communities remembering the victims of people who were killed in a deadly weekend. two mass shootings. on sunday, people came together to join into a march against gun violence in el paso. and in dayton, ohio, hundreds of people also head a vigil. they held candles, sang songs and prayed for all of the lives lost. we're also learning that one of the victims in el paso died
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protecting her baby. the family of jordan anchondo says that she shielded her 2-month-old son while the shots were being fired. her husband andre was also among those killed. the baby survived. the baby was treated at a hospital after suffering broken bones. jordan's sister spoke with nbc news about her sibling. listen. >> she was incredible. she had a personality that could light up an entire room. everybody loved her. she was an incredible mom, too. she was just a wonderful person. she'd give anything for those kids. anything. even her life. >> authorities are treating the el paso shooting as domestic terrorism. they're also considering bringing hate crime charges against the suspect. it all stems from a racist post that he is believed to have written before the attack happened. now one resident in el paso says that for the first time she feels attacked because of her race.
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>> we are being isolated for our color. we're way past that now. we're years past color. we should be way past where we're at right now, and this is why we're here, and i share that same sentiment. we're being attacked and our government needs to step in. if not, the people here will step in. >> cnn's sara sidner has more now on the suspect. >> reporter: he has very strong anti-immigration beliefs. there is a lot of hatred being spewed, if, indeed, it turns out that this manifesto is linked directly to the suspected shooter and if, in fact, he posted it on an online forum called 8chan. he talks in that about probably going to die today, he says, but he goes down this really disturbing rabbit hole talking about immigrants, both legal and illegal immigrants. he is after anyone who has come to this country looking for a
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better life. he is talking about particularly hispanic immigrants. so he's talking about brown people and wanting to get rid of brown people. there is a lot of fear that you can see as you read through it. it's a fear of being, quote, replaced. this is an idea that is spouted by white nationalists and neo nazis, white supremacists, the haters of the world spew this a lot that somehow the white race is going to disappear and it's the fault of black and brown people and they want to either rid the earth of them or at least keep them out of the country in which they live. that goes for here in america or same kind of rhetoric is being used in europe as well. very disturbing stuff. very strongly anti-immigration. he talks about job loss, although what's interesting with him, you know, this is a young man, right? in his linkedin, we looked at that and it appears the suspect talks about being a bit lazy himself, not being motivated
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himself. so these are the sort of confusing cues that you get from some of these suspected shooters, but he is definitely virulently racist. he came according to police all the way from allen, texas. i used to live in that area. he went to plano high school, apparently. the suspected shooter drove hundreds of miles to come here because this is where the border is. this is where folks are that he deems of not being worthy of being in america. so according to police, she shot and killed 20 people, injured 26. >> sara sidner on the story. sara, thank you. the family of one shooting victim from ohio is speaking out about the tragedy. one family member remembered thomas mcnichols as a kind man. the other had a direct message to the u.s. president. here's what they had to say.
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>> he was a family man. he worked yesterday and just wanted to have a good time. >> he was in the bar? >> he was in the bar at ned peppers and got shot. just waiting to get into the bar. >> the one thing you were telling me, i know you're wearing a shirt here that says love, but love was something that he had a lot to give. >> every time he left the house, he would say i love you. that was our thing. it was always i love you. >> he lived with you because he lost his mom? your sister. >> yes, my sister. my baby sister. and she -- he was her baby boy. >> so you looked after him for years -- >> yes, i did. >> and now this. >> and now this. >> what will you tell his children? >> i will tell his kids they had
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an amazing dad and they know that their dad loved them. he was a loving family man. and they -- he knew that -- his kids know that they loved him. >> my family's lost for words, but i got to remain strong. you have people in high places, you know, and i'm going identify i'm going to get on every news station and i'm going to shout this out, you know, we have gun laws -- people can just go and buy guns, you know, and not even be registered and not even qualify. they can just walk into a gun. store and buy high-powered equipment and kill people in broad daylight, broad nighttime, you know what i'm saying? this has got to stop. this has got to stop. and today is going to be the day that it does stop. i'm shouting out to the president of the united states, i want this to go viral, but make sure this is on every news station because my cousins did not deserve to lose their lives. they had children. hardworking people.
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all they were doing was enjoying a night on the town and they're dead. never to come home again. never to see their family again. they're gone. and i want the president to hear this. donald trump, i want you to hear this. you need to be here right now. you need to. >> our show to viewers around the world and many viewers wonder what is going on, as to many people here in the united states, why these shootings keep happening. in ohio police are being credited with saving lives because of their quick response to what happened in dayton. overall, nine people were killed. this when the gunman started shooting just outside of a bar. officers were nearby. they got there fast and they killed the gunman within 30 seconds of his opening fire. dayton's mayor said it all happened in a crowded area that is popular for night life. >> it was a great night last night in dayton. this area is brick street with
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tons of local businesses. it's one of the places to be in our region. certainly a centerpiece of our community. it was named by the american planning association two years ago as the best business street building in the country. so very walkable. very connected. and a place that's very diverse and everyone feels safe and wants to be there. and a very safe place for our community overall. so to see this and have this happen to the community last night has truly been a tragedy for the families, the people that were injured, but our entire community. >> our drew griffin reports that former classmates of the gunman are offering disturbing details about his previous threats. >> reporter: dayton, ohio police say this shooter was not on their radar, but we have learned from former high school classmates that the suspected shooter in this case actually did have a record in high school
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where he had threatened on a kill list to kill or harm his fellow students. four of those students who say they were on that list, according to school officials, say the list was divided in two. for men or boys, it was a kill list, for girls it was a rape list. one of those students says during the sophomore year of the shooter's high school career he was on a school bus when police boarded the bus, supposedly right after finding this list, and took the suspect and arrested him. take a listen. >> i saw him get pulled off the bus after school one day. and apparently he had made a kill list and i happened to be on it. i don't know why. we just got off of school and we were all getting on the bus to go home and, i mean, i just sat down, me and my sister just sitting down and he sat down. i think he was behind us. and we -- i look up and there's two police officers standing on
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the bus asking him to get off the bus and go with him. i was confused. >> school resource officers? >> actual police officers. why did he make the list? what was happening in his life that made him do it? >> reporter: the students tell us that the shooter did come back to high school about a year later, appeared to be changed, got involved with band and acting in the school and actually graduated from high school in 2013. but apparently he had a long history of threatening women, especially those who denied his advances. police looking into all of this background as they try to search for a motive in this person who killed nine and injured dozens here in dayton, ohio. drew griffin, cnn, dayton. >> drew, thank you. and of course you can get more information on how you can help the victims of the mass shooting. of course you can head to
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cnn.com/impact. there you will find a link that leads to nonprofit organizations that we have vetted, of course, dedicated to helping the victims and their families. still to come here on "newsroom," some democratic presidential candidates say the president and his anti-immigrant rhetoric encourages violence and hate. termites. we're on the move. hey rick, all good? oh yeah, we're good. we're good. terminix. defenders of home. we were paying an arm and a leg for postage. i remember setting up shipstation. one or two clicks and everything was up and running. i was printing out labels and saving money. shipstation saves us so much time. it makes it really easy and seamless. pick an order, print everything you need, slap the label onto the box, and it's ready to go. our costs for shipping were cut in half. just like that. shipstation. the #1 choice of online sellers.
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in the coming hours, the u.s. president donald trump says that he will make an official statement about this past deadly weekend. in all 29 lives were lost. mr. trump on sunday offered his condolences. he ordered american flags to be flown at half staff to remember the victims and also acknowledged that more can be done, mr. trump says, to address gun violence in the united states. the president also pressuring his administration to develop some type of an action plan. this in response to the deadly shootings here in the u.s., which he may reveal in his upcoming announcement. cnn's kaitlan collins has more now on the president's response to these shootings so far. >> reporter: well, the president addressed these two mass shootings that happened within just hours of each other for the first time on camera as he was leaving his golf club in new jersey as he was speaking with reporters before getting on air force one. when he praised law enforcement for their swift action but also said he believes hate has no place in this nation. >> i want to extend our
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condolences to the people of el paso, texas and dayton, ohio. they're incredible people and they've been through a lot. hate has no place in our country. and we're going to take care of it. >> reporter: one phrase the president didn't use was white supremacy or white nationalism. even though federal authorities have said they are investigating the shooting at that walmart in el paso as domestic terrorism. now, this comes as democratic presidential candidates are directly tying things the president have said to the shootings like the one in el paso where the shooter made comments about immigrants before he did carry out that mass shooting. white house aides say it has nothing to do with the president and the chief of staff mick mulvaney told abc news he believes it's crazy for the president to be blamed for a shooting like this. >> this was a sick person. the person in dayton was a sick person. no politician is to blame for that. the people responsible here are the people who pull the trigger. we need to figure out how to
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create less of those kinds of people as a society and not trying to figure out who gets blamed going into the next election. >> reporter: now, trump said he's going to address this further at the white house at 10:00 on monday morning. our sources inside the administration, the justice department, are telling us they do feel some kind of pressure to put new proposals forward as the president does address the nation. the question of what those proposals is going to be are -- are going to be is still open because of course we've seen the president in the past make certain promises or make certain proposals going forward, like potentially going forward with the universal background checks, raising the age limit to buy certain weapons and only later to back off of those stances after he spoke with nra leadership. so we'll be waiting to see what it is that the president says to comfort the nation after two mass shootings happened within just hours of each other here in the united states. kaitlan collins, cnn, the white house. >> kaitlan, thank you. we are hearing from democratic candidates running for president in 2020. several of them say that
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president trump's rhetoric has encouraged violence and hate. listen. >> donald trump is responsible for this. he is responsible because he is stoking fears and hatred and bigotry. he is responsible because he's failing to condemn white supremacy and see it as it is, which is responsible for such a significant amount of the terrorist attacks. >> the manifesto that apparently this shooter wrote that says that hispanics are taking over the state of texas and changing the country, this engine bows the country, this echos the kind of language that our president encourages. talking about invaders. >> do you think president trump is a white nationalist? >> yes, i do. >> we have a president of the united states who uses the microphone, which is probably one of the most powerful tools in the hand of the president of the united states, and uses that
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microphone in a way that is about sowing hate and division in our country. >> you don't have to use a lot of imagination to connect the dots here. it is very clear that this kind of hate is being legitimatized from on high, and if that were not true, president would be acting and speaking very differently than what he's doing right now. >> now to get the perspective of scott lewis aucas, a professor international politics at the university of birmingham in england. thanks for being here. >> thank you, george. good to be here. >> i don't want to get too deep into the alleged gunman's manifesto that police say he posted online. it spouts an anti-immigration, anti-hispanic, essentially anti-brown message and talk of being replaced by and losing jobs to minorities. these are tropes commonly used by the far-right, used by white supremacists. the u.s. president had this to
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say about the hate that has been seen here in el paso. listen. >> these are two incredible places. we love the people. hate has no place in our country. and we're going to take care of it. >> mr. trump's words there clear and direct, but several politicians are pointing their fingers straight to the top, the rhetoric of mr. trump himself. what are your thoughts? >> hate has no place in our country, but, george, we need to be honest. this is what mr. trump has said. he has repeatedly said that there is an invasion of immigrants to overrun america. including white folks in america. he has said that at rallies. that language was used by the suspected el paso shooter, patrick krusius. donald trump has told people,
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including members of congress to go back to their countries. the man who is in the white house has compared migrants to animals, criminals and rapists. hate has no place in our country, but the man in the white house has used language which quite often can be seen to be hateful. just as politicians or martin luther king can inspire us, just as a franklin delano rez velvoo could hold us together in a time of crisis, so a man who is president fuel anger, frustration and, yes, indeed, violence if his language is not what brings us together, but supposedly divides us. >> look, from what we've seen from over the weekend, scott, certainly the shooting in el paso raises the issue of white supremacy and the issue of immigration front and center. along with the carnage in dayton, ohio, the questions about gun violence seem to be the common denominator in both. the president is set to soon speak over what happened this
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deadly weekend. how do you expect that he will handle it? >> he'll cover his backside, george. i mean, let us be honest again because if we are not, we will have a groundhog's day over and over again with these incidence. when you have more than 300 million guns, including many semiautomatic weapons in american hands, it is more likely that you will have mass killings. but intersecting with that is when you have an escalation in language from any politician or any public figure which tries to whip up at least suspicion and indeed hatred of a particular group, it is more likely that those guns will be used. and simply saying, oh, we have a plan, as mr. trump said yesterday. clearly he doesn't have a plan. and simply saying, oh, these are great people in dayton and el paso. they are great people. they are great people in america. from san bernardino to the churches in texas to the synagogue in pittsburgh to the church in charleston, and they should not die and they should
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not die because supposedly one color american is better than another color american, and it's time that donald trump, if he really wants to lead this country, needs to be firm and clear rather than evasive about this. >> scott, we appreciate your time today. thank you so much. >> thank you, george. another story we're following around the world, stranded travellers are filling hong kong's international airport. up next, why one of the world's busiest cities is grinding to a halt. just between us, you know what's better than mopping? anything! at the end of a long day, it's the last thing i want to do. well i switched to swiffer wet jet and its awesome. it's an all-in-one so it's ready to go when i am. the cleaning solution actually breaks down dirt and grime. and the pad absorbs it deep inside. so, it prevents streaks and haze better than my old mop. plus, it's safe to use on all my floors, even wood. glad i got that off my chest and the day off my floor. try wet jet with a moneyback guarantee
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live images right now you're seeing in hong kong. it is 3:42 p.m. there. major story we're following as pro-democracy activists there are staging a citywide strike and holding massive demonstrations there. you see the police there with their gear. and we understand protesters on the other side of the street were monitoring this closely, of course. let's bring in cnn's kristie lu
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stout following all developments now. kristie? >> reporter: george, tension is high on this huge day of strike action as hong kong is in its ninth consecutive week of protests. there have been reports of travel chaos at the mtr, the city's mass rapid transit system, with major lines reporting suspensions or delays. travel chaos at the hong kong international airport, the eighth busiest airport in the world with over 100 flight canc cancellations. we've been tracking reports of clashes with police and protesters. also clashes in another suburb in northern hong kong where tear gas has been deployed. any new lines we'll bring to you on cnn. amidst all this, we're monning t monitoring the seven simultaneous rallies where people are walking out in protest for the extradition bill and for democracy. we have ben wedeman joining us
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as well as anna coren. ben wedeman in the flash point district, admiralty and anna coren monitoring events at the hong kong airport. ben, let's go to you there. the protests there have been become so large, i can see the protesters and the umbrellas from my position on the other side of the hong kong harbor. i understand they're getting so big, they're spilling out and impeding traffic in major highways. what's the latest? >> reporter: yeah, kristie, we're in the middle of a main thoroughfare here in hong kong. it is here on the 12th of june that the -- that the -- it was the first time that the police fired tear gas at protesters. and what we're seeing here is the scene very reminiscent of how that protest on the 12th of june began. the road is blocked on both sides. we are hearing to my left people seem to be dismantling the railings on the side of the road to set up barricades.
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other people are rushing down the road with umbrellas. they're using those to block the vision of the police, to hide the identities of the protesters. earlier we heard people chanting revolution in our time, liberate hong kong. so what we see is the atmosphere is very much revolutionary, so to speak. it was not far from here in the legislative council building that chief executive carrie lam came out and held this press conference, but she did not concede anything. she insisted that the government is going to hold its position. they're not, for instance, going to form an independent commission to investigate police brutality. and she, for her part, said she has no intention to step down, which is one of the demands of the protesters here. kristie? >> all right. ben wedeman reporting on the
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hong kong strikes this day and the mass disruptions on the streets of hong kong there in the admiralty district. now let's go to anna coren standing by at the hong kong international airport where the strikes have disrupted international air travel. anna, tell us how and what's happening. >> well, kristie, right now we are at a demonstration at the arrivals lounge here in hong kong, and as you can see, there's older protesters and younger protesters. some as young as 16. they are demanding that the hong kong government withdraw the bill. that they have that independent inquiry into police brutality. release the protesters. they're calling for universal suffrage and they also want the government to retract the riot classification. so this has just happened in the last hour. the idea is to educate people who have arrived. as you can see, there are people arriving from overseas, landing here in hong kong, and these protesters want to educate them
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as to what is actually taking place. we know that the airport is only operating at 50% capacity as far as the runway and the airspace is concerned. the reason is that 2,300 aviation staff from hong kong international airport have gone on strike. so it really is quite extraordinary. we're talking about air traffic control. we're talking about cabin crew. we're talking about the ground operations staff. 2,300 people have gone on strike here in hong kong international airport. it really has disrupted travel. the board was just filled with cancellations, 100 inbound cancelled, 100 outbreound have been cancelled. hong kong, kristie, as woke is an incredibly efficient airport, but today it has just been a ideological. >> yeah, scenes of chaos and protest at the world's eighth busiest international airport.
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anna coren reporting live for us. george, we'll continue to monitor the situation in hong kong from the airport to the seven districts across hong kong where authorized and unauthorized rallies are taking place, but also those additional flash points that have bubbled up, of clashes between police and protesters, tear gas being deployed in the northern suburb of hong kong. again, hong kong police trying to hold a presser at the top of the hour. any new lines, we'll bring it to you right here on cnn. george? >> kristie, thank you. as we continue to watch, it gets a little later there in hong kong. certainly we'll want to see how these things play out. a lot happening there in hong kong. on the topic, i spoke earlier just on sunday with michael, a pro-beijing legislative council member in hong kong and the hong kong deputy to the national people's congress. i asked him why the protesters are still out on the streets even after that controversial extradition bill had been shelved. here's what he had to say. >> the top two demands, which i
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think is true with the protesters and the nonprotesters, are setting up an independent commission of inquiry into all the police/protesters conflict and also a complete withdrawal of the bill. it met with 97% of the protesters, making it to the top two demands, and for nonprotesters, 70% for the commission and inquiry and 60% for the complete withdrawal. now, the problem with the complete withdrawal is that everybody in hong kong that i know has no problem with it, except one person, carrie lam, the chief executive. she is yet to give a reason. and that's the easiest thing for her to do. for the commission and inquiry, it's actually quite complicated. the police has openly voiced opposition to it. carrie lam has promised the police that she would not go forward with it.
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but then of course the perception to normal hong kong citizens, even for those who did not think the police did anything wrong or were brutal in using violence, are starting to think why is it that the police are having such a strong opposition to it? so now this has become the top of the agenda. and i have talked to carrie lam a couple of days ago face-to-face, one-on-one, and i said the violence is escalating. eventually it's going to get out of hand. there's going to be casualties. she's going to go down in the history books as the chief executive who actually led to, you know, bloodshed in hong kong. that is not wise. and she really needs to think about those two demands. now, with regard to the commission and inquiry, what i suggested to her -- because the police are saying there is no
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precedent in the world about outside people investigating the police. it's usually the police having the internatil unit doing the investigation. then i pointed out it's not true. in 1991 in los angeles there was a commission with the judge investigating the police brutality. okay? now, if that can be done, why can it not be done in hong kong? i suggested using that as an example for the chief executive to talk to the police again. what this commission should be doing is not on a case by case basis finding out which policemen did what to whom and whether anybody should go to jail, but rather a higher order of terms of reference. the whole background, what is the background of the protesters, has police been trained in handling large scale riots? what is the directive with inside the police of when they
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can use gun or tear gas or, you know, all these water -- water artillery and all that. so far it's been hush-hush and everything has been so secretive. so every time there is a confrontation, there is an argument on both sides. police say this is not excessive and the other side says, of course, it is excessive. i will throw an umbrella at you, all right? why are you hitting me with a bang, right? so these things go on and on and on. we definitely need an independent inquiry led by a judge to look for how to settle all these police/protesters confrontations for the future. not just this particular incident, but for the future. now, the chief executive worry that this may not settle the dispute now because people will not be satisfied with a higher order inquiry. not going to the detailed case
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by case. but i said to her this is still better than nothing. and this is probably the only thing that police can accept or will buy in. >> again, getting the perspective there. keeping in mind, many of the protesters still on the streets there. they simply do not trust the leadership of hong kong. we will continue to follow this story, of course. we'll be right back after the break. only $11. dealdash.com, the fair and honest bidding site. an ipad worth $505, was sold for less than $24; a playstation 4 for less than $16; and a schultz 4k television for less than $2. i won these bluetooth headphones for $20. i got these three suitcases for less than $40. and shipping is always free. go to dealdash.com right now and see how much you can save.
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