passed the house. these laws are working in the states. we need them at the federal level. >> even the darkest of times, you find optimism. >> if every american uses their voice and their votes, this will end. >> thank you so much. so when something happens like this so horrific, it is understandable to feel helpless. i mean it all the time when i say it, i feel helpless. i talked to shannon about her optimism and where she finds it because i feel helpless as well. if you are looking for ways to help, cnn has been pulling together resources on groups that are on the ground trying to help the families and the victims. go to cnn.com/impact for more information on that. hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan in new york. we are continuing to follow two

uniquely tragedies today. 30 lives have been claimed inside 13 hours. this morning the president denouncing white supremacist hate in a way that we have not heard him do before. he called it an evil contagion. >> i'm victor blackwell in el paso, texas, where one of those gunman terrorized people in a walmart. denial and desperation felt across this city today. denial at what actually happened and families are reckoning this morning with the sudden voids in their lives. the desperation for a solution to stop this gun violence. we will be keeping you updated throughout the afternoon. but let's begin, victor, we'll get right back to you. but let's begin with a man the nation normally looks to and the person the nation normally looks to in times of crisis, the president of the united states. president trump finally addressing the nation following a weekend marked by murder. 30 souls gone between el paso, texas, and dayton, ohio. listen.

>> in one voice our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. these sinister ideologies must be defeated. hate has no place in america. hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart and devours the soul. we have asked the fbi to identify all further resources they need to investigate and disrupt hate crimes and domestic terrorism, whatever they need. >> that denunciation does answer one question going in, would he speak out and condemn white supremacy. the shooter in el paso posted a four-page document online and the language is unabashedly white supremacist and mirrors some of what the president's words that he uses in some of his statements like calling hispanic migrants an invasion. the president's words this

morning do what he has all too often failed to do, call out the evil by name. the president also labeled the el paso shooter a domestic terrorism. if you are looking for bold action, taking a bold stance on guns, the president did not offer that up today. the weapons, the president suggests, aren't the real problem. >> mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun. >> cnn's pamela brown is joining me from the white house once again. pamela, what are you hearing from there now? >> reporter: kate, noticeably absent from the president's statement this morning here at the white house was any mention of more background checks. i'm told some administration officials didn't want president trump to tweet this morning linking immigration reform to background checks after the shooting in texas that targeted immigrants and mere hours after that tweet the president made no mention of background checks at all. it's something he has supported in the past but then backed away after pressure from the nra. just this year the white house said it would veto a house bill

authorizing more background checks for firearm purchases. we should note officials say both shooters in ohio and texas legally purchased their firearms used in the shootings. today the president clearly wanted to keep the focus on mental health, not gun reform. he used the words evil and hate as the reasons for the back-to-back shootingings. he condemned white supremacy and racism, putting the blame on social media and violent video games and made no acknowledgement of his own rhetoric and whether it's fanning the flames. kate. >> much more to come from the white house but right now let's get back to victor blackwell in el paso for us. victor. >> reporter: kate, thank you. sad news. this update now, we've learned that from this weekend's mass shooting here in el paso, the number of those killed has increased to 21. the police department tweeted just a few minutes ago that a victim passed early this morning at the hospital. it's been now 48 hours since a

white supremacist started shooting at shoppers at the walmart here. authorities still have not identified all of the people who were killed. we do know, of course, that the gunman is in custody. let's bring in now cnn's rosa flores who has been following the latest on this investigation. first, what do we know about the degree of cooperation between this suspect and police? >> you know, from what we understand, he's cooperating with authorities. of course he is sitting in a jail cell right now facing capital murder charges, and he's going to be there without bond. he was not provided bond. now, those charges could grow because the u.s. attorney's office of the western district of texas is treating this like domestic terrorism and says that they're working with federal authorities to possibly include hate crime and also firearm

charges, and those carry the death penalty. and one key factor, victor, is that we have all heard about this manifesto and now authorities say that there is a possible link between that manifesto, those four pages of racist rants, and this suspect. take a listen. >> from the manifesto that we first saw, we have to attribute that manifesto directly to him based on that information in that manifesto. that's where that came from. and so we're going down that road that's beginning to look more solidly like that is the case. >> now, in that manifesto, cnn has learned that he speaks, the suspect, speaks very ill about immigrants, very ill about the hispanic community, blaming immigrants for taking american jobs. here's the irony, victor, because when you look at the linkedin profile of the suspect, he says that he really has no

will in order anything more, no motivation to look for a job. from court documents that we just received actually, it shows that he was not holding a job. so some of that irony there, but we can't ignore the scene that is right behind us. >> and you were at the reunification center where people were wondering when can they get their cars. >> what i've been hearing from people at the reunification center is that they have been told it's unclear when they'll retrieve their cars because this is still a crime scene. we can see the perimeter and that's why we're standing where we are, victor, because you can see the dps vehicles behind us and we see every now and then officers that are walking in and out of that walmart. >> it certainly is a massive crime scene. you can understand, i mean you've been inside a walmart supercenter, you know how large they are that they have to process all of the evidence there and in the parking lot as

well. rosa flores, thanks for the latest on the investigation. kate, of course we will talk about the victims here. now at 21 who were killed, more that two dozen injured. that's coming up this morning as well. let's turn back to you. >> thank you so much, victor, really appreciate it. let's turn now to the mass shooting in dayton, ohio, where nine people were killed there. police are saying -- they said in the press conference this morning it is still too soon to speculate on the shooter's motive there. polo sandoval is in dayton just steps away from where the massacre happened. hi there, polo. >> reporter: kate, good afternoon to you. that shooting happened right there, right behind me where it really has become a makeshift memorial, very similar to what we've seen across the country during previous shootings. police officers, investigators here in the last few moments releasing an update saying they have a clear picture of what happened that day. it was a very chaotic scene right behind me here where at least 14 people were wounded and are still recovering. that's a new number here that was released.

it was obviously very chaotic initially and they believe there was at least 27 or so who were injured, but now after speaking to folks at hospitals, now police saying that 14 people were shot and survived. but then of course there are those nine dead. it gives us a better understanding of just how much firepower that this individual, this sick individual had available to him. we heard a little while afoe the police chief really driving the point home. it's not just concerning for the people here, kate, but also for the police chief. >> i can confirm that if all the magazines that we recovered from the suspect were completely full, and we have not had a chance to examine that, we just know we have magazines with bullets in them, but if all of those were completely at full capacity, including the loose rounds found on the ground near him as well as in a backpack that he carried, he would have had a maximum of 250 rounds in his possession at the time.

>> reporter: the police chief also adding that it was, in his own words, fundamentally problematic not to regulate the weaponry that was available in this kind of civilian environment. when you look behind me, it is really the ideal civilian environment. this is an extremely popular district in downtown dayton. it's extremely busy during the day. you can only imagine what it was like late saturday night with many bars and restaurants here. so what you're hearing from people here, they are concerned about the firepower that's available to him but even the police chief himself says it's just too much. >> polo, thanks so much. joining me right now because i have a lot of questions on what polo is talking about is david katz, law enforcement and firearms and homeland security expert and jonathan wacro, a law enforcement analyst. guys, thank you for being here. jonathan, i want to start where i started the hour, which is happening all throughout the hour, which is what has happened

and the prescription that the president is now offering, as everyone is looking for an answer of how does this happen again, how do we make it stop. you hear from the president the country needs red-flag laws, stricter mental health laws, they need to take on violent video games, they need the death penalty on those who commit murder deemed a hate crime. does this add up to stopping these massacres from happening? >> what the president was doing was throwing things up against the wall to see what sticks and what resonates in the news cycle. there is a little truth in what he's saying but it needs to be done systematically. he did not pose or submit a plan to work through this systematically. we knsee time and time again, w look backwards and say that was a red flag, we should have seen that. ohio is a great example. we know this individual had behavioral problems in the past, he had confrontation with law enforcement, he had a kill list that was known, he had a rape

list that was known. these things have come out so that's a behavioral issue that needed to be resolved a long time ago. what happened was he continued along that behavioral continuum to the point that he transcended into physical harm. same thing with this online rhetoric that we saw in el paso. again, we need to get ahead of that. so i think that hopefully is what the president was talking about. but it's -- the question comes who's the steward of that? what's the governance over that? who's going to provide that oversight in terms of mental health care. law enforcement, the community, it's a shared fate. you've heard me say this time and time again. we all need to come together and develop a very systematic plan that has components of it. gun control is also part of that. the police chief is right, these weapons, the capacity should not have been for civilian use. so all of this stuff has to come together. there's not one solution that will solve this. >> david, on that point, i just want to pick up there, you're a weapons expert. i lean on you all the time.

i grew up around shot guns, i grew up around firepower, but i don't understand some of this stuff that we're looking at. when you're taunging about what we're seeing in dayton, this magazine with a hundred round capacity and what you heard from the police chief and how he put it is it's fundamentally problematic but he also said that he modified the firearm to shoot like a rifle i think is how he said it. is there any reason for this to be on the street? >> it is an error to focus on magazine capacity and the weapon. >> tell me. >> because i can do the same exact amount of damage, period, with a pump shotgun. in the virginia tech shooting, the virginia tech massacre was a good example. the shooter used two handguns and killed 30 people. >> but in 30 seconds -- >> yes. >> you can pull that off? >> these are semiautomatic pistols. you can get rounds off at a very, very high rate. where we're lacking -- look, there is passionate points of

view. i'm obviously on a different side than you are about gun control issue. what we all agree on is that these people shouldn't have access to them. where we're lacking in law enforcement is the ability to say, wait a second, in high school this guy had a kill list. do we think there's no mechanism by which this person for the rest of his life absent some judicial review can ever get hold of a fire aum? that's the problem. we're ticking time bombs, we're going to explode. the guy in el paso was like that, the guy in parkland. go down the list. it's almost 100% consistency that we know ahead of time they're going to do it but we are powerless. >> okay. that gets to the -- let's take it in a more broader sense. i still don't know why you have to have that kind of magazine on the street in dayton, ohio. you know i'm a hunter. i just don't understand why those -- anyway. the president said today we need to develop tools to detect mass shooters before they strike. does the federal government have that capacity right now? >> absolutely they do.

look, we have social media, we have all sorts of technology to mine -- >> so what the president says is -- >> yes, it's true. but here's the problem. >> okay. >> let's say -- let's say the police department and the fbi had access to the shooter's manifesto. it's not a manifesto, it's the rantings of a racist monster. but that being said, even if the police look at that, what are they going to do? what charge are they going to bring? are they going to say you're somehow going to be brought up on bad speech or racism speech charges? that's the problem. there's no -- the criminal justice system relies on you committing a crime that can be prosecuted. these aren't crimes. we have to find some way to bridge that gap between this kind of behavior and the ultimate -- the expression of that, which is mass violence. >> you also bring up an important point. you think that people should make sure to not call either of these people or especially the guy in el paso a lone wolf. >> absolutely. they were a solo attacker, but

this individual was part of a hate group. he was radicalized online. so the government does have an ability to monitor and try to find out preattack behavior online. but think about the amount of data that they would have to monitor on an hourly or every minute. this is a big data problem. to say, oh, we need to monitor social media. that has no veracity in that statement. there's no capacity to do that today. that's something that is sort of futuristic. that's going to be bringing together the technology firms to understand, hey, how do we do that? this isn't like searching my twitter account for key words. you're thinking about a massive big data and analytics problem that needs to be addressed. i think that we're getting closer with a.i. technology that may be able to assist law enforcement but we're not there yet. act of that ability and the social domain, again i go back to it's a comprehensive

approach. >> we do have some ability to mine that data. i mean goodness sake, if i go online looking for hiking boots, the next day all my accounts, i'm getting offers for hiking boots all over the place. >> it's as simple as that? >> it's the application that is applied to a specific task to find out what people are saying, where they're saying it and how virulent it is. even so, even if you get to that point, the question is now what. the person can spew the most vile, racist, hateful rhetoric. until they say tomorrow i'm going to take a weapon and do the following, it's not action al. so that's the problem. is there a no-gun list we can come up with for psychotic people? sure there is but there has to be steps taken. >> and there's a difference between hate speech and a hate crime. hate speech is protected for the most part and that's the challenge for law enforcement. as you're going out to data mine things on social media, how do you bifurcate the two? one is an action, one is words.

and i think that also the challenge with social media today is the anonymous nature of it. i can get on making attribution back to who's making those threats is also difficult and challenging aspect that law enforcement will have to -- >> we're talking about from the law enforcement perspective and what to do with hate in general in the country. again, we have the other kind of dovetailed side of this which is how do you get to the root cause of hate is a very important part of the conversation as well. thanks, guys, really appreciate your being here as always. still ahead for us, hospital officials at del sol medical center are expected to give an update. when that update begins, when they come to speak to microphones, we'll take you to el paso for an update at that medical center. stay with us, we'll be right back. so, every day, we put our latest technology and unrivaled network to work. the united states postal service makes more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country.

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bigotry. that was yesterday and i wonder what then you thought of what the president prescribed and what he said to the nation just a couple hours ago? >> you know, the president in his remarks were weak -- was weak and he was wrong. there can be no equivocation at a time like this where we have serious crisis in the country. for the president to imply that video games and mental illness was the reason why a white supremacist with a gun did what he did, mental illness didn't kill the people of dayton. a man wielding a high-caliber, high-capacity rifle did. this president is not putting forth the truth of the matter. we have right now a national crisis. there can be no equivocation about it. people are too easily getting their hands on guns. very serious weapons and doing serious harm. he has put forth no plan whatsoever. even the most common-sense ideas

that the majority of nra members agree with, he's refusing to step up and take responsibility for that change. but what makes matters worse and deepens his responsibility is the fact that he is using the very words, infestation, invasion, send her back, send them back, that is adding and stoking and creating ground that nurtures this kind of hatred and violence. and so this to me is a presidential failure. a failure to take responsibility, a failure to lead, a failure to address a nation in crisis with real solutions that will help to keep americans safe. it's unacceptable, it is a failure of leadership. >> senator, another thing that the president said in his remarks today, i'll read it to you, he said in one voice our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. that has been something -- hearing that from president trump has been something that i know a lot of folks have been waiting for and looking for not just in the past 24 hours but for a very long time.

do you welcome that acknowledgment? >> no. reconciliation, the kind of healing that we need, starts first with someone standing up and saying i've been wrong. i've made mistakes. what i've said before has been unacceptable. so you can't speak out of one side of your mouth about the need for us to come together as a country but consistently do things that divide this nation and pit us against each other, that fuel racial bigotry and hatred. if he wants to show that he's changed, then this is about reconciliation. speak to how you have contributed to the hate and the division and the bigotry and the racism, how you have said things that make people with violent instincts and violent intentions all the more likely to do heinous things. this is unacceptable. there is no repentance in this,

no reconciliation from this president, someone who owes the american people, someone who can't condemn nazis, owes the american people so much more than he is giving. we are see a catastrophic failure in presidential leadership right now. there can be no equivocation about that whatsoever. >> senator, do you think after every mass shooting this question is asked but this is a uniquely horrific situation of what has transpired in a 13-hour span. do you think something is, quote unquote, different this time after this mass shooting? >> look, we need a more courageous empathy in this country and have us as a nation not just witness something happening far from where we live without understanding that these are horrors that can visit upon any of us at any time anywhere. the way we've dealt with this situation now is by having our children learning in school about reading, writing and

arithmetic and having to learn now about shelter in place and how to deal with active shooter drills. that kind of capitulation is unacceptable. we have to have a more courageous empathy in this country that calls us to act and do the common-sense things for what is a uniquely american problem. other nations have violent video games and violent movies. other nations have challenges with mental health and mental illness, but they do not have this kind of carnage happening in their country. we are unique in the sense that we can so easily, someone who's understanding to kill their girlfriend or shoot up a community or do white supremacist acts of terror, can so easily get weapons in this country. these are uniquely american problems. but i believe in us as a country that we can solve them with our american will. but not have a president -- to have a governor of a state in which this happened say this is not the time to talk about

solutions. all of this to me is showing again an abject failure of leadership. i for one have had enough. we do not need thoughts and prayers. my faith teaches me that faith without works is dead and the death we're seeing right now as a result of people of good conscience and good faith not demanding from their leaders the necessary changes that must happen, and i've had enough. i'm going to call out donald trump and any other leader who is failing in their obligation, governance first and foremost for the defense of their people and the nation, and we are seeing too many people dying at rates that have never before been seen in humanity in a nation like we're seeing here. >> the question is now before the senate, the question is before the house, but especially before the senate right now and the president and the governors of these states especially. we'll see what happens and where this conversation goes in these days and how this conversation doesn't fall by the wayside like

we see happen time and time again. >> i want to just end with this. that's not enough. change does not come from washington, it comes to washington. we didn't get women's rights, civil rights and workers' rights by waiting for people in washington. we demanded that change. this is a time for american activism to hold their leaders accountable for what is going on and demand from them the change that's necessary. this is not about sitting back and waiting. this is about making the change happen. >> senator, thank you for coming on, i really appreciate you jumping on the line. >> thank you. >> senator cory booker right there. programming note, also coming up today, cnn exclusive happening tonight as former vice president joe biden is joining anderson cooper. that is 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. we are awaiting an update that should be coming from hospital officials at the del sol medical center. there's a live picture of the room we'll be taking you to soon. we're expecting to get an update on the injured from the el paso

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the number is now 30. 30 people killed, nearly 1600 miles apart forever linked. we continue to get new details about how their lives were

taken. we're also starting to get a sense of how they lived. erica hill joins me now with their stories. if you consider going into a wall not anywhere in the country on a saturday morning, you're going to get a broad swath of the community, ages, races, different walks of life and we're seeing that here. >> that's everything that we're learning. we're learning that in dayton too, a mix of people. in dayton nine people as you know were killed. some new details on some of those victims. nicholas cumer, 25 years old. he was a grad student in the master of cancer care program. he was finishing up an internship. his professor released a statement calling him a special person who was humble and sincere saying the loss of nick has left a hole in his family, our campus, our band family, he was instrumental in the marching band and each one of us was fortunate to call him a friend. also killed in dayton, a father of four young children ages 2 to 8, thomas mcnichols. we goes by t.j.

his aunt joined me earlier and told me he was a gentle giant. >> to see all of the love, comments that people had about him, teachers, co-workers, everybody, it was like, oh, i know him. i know him. that was the sweetest guy. he had the biggest smile. he gave the best hugs or whatever. and i will let those kids know, and which they knew how much their father really and truly loved them. >> the other victims in dayton range in age from just 22, the shooter's sister, megan betts, all the way up to 57. here in el paso such a range of people who were in the walmart including a young people in their 20s, jordan and andre anchondo who leave behind a 2-month-old baby boy who was smeeld shielded as his mother tried to protect him from the bullets. leo campos.

86-year-old angie englisbee, her family was looking for her and the same happened for arturo benvides family. we're starting to learn more about the lives they lived. so important that is what we remember. >> and there are still dozens of people who were injured, some of them still in the hospital. we're expecting that update from del sol medical center, eric a, hill, thank you so much. for more information on how to help the victims, go to c. in n.com/impact. six former national security council officials sending a firm message to the federal government. make domestic terrorism a higher priority. one of those officials joins us next.

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as el paso and dayton mourn the loss of now 30 victims, the country is now faced with a very serious reality, the rising

threat of domestic terrorism. in just the past few months, the number of white supremacist domestic terrorism cases has grown significantly. do not take my word for that, that is according to the fbi. that has brought together six former counterterrorism directors for presidents of both parties, coming together penning a letter demanding that the u.s. government do more and do better. they write this in part. we call on our government to make addressing this form of terrorism as high as priority as countering international terrorism has become since 9/11. joining me now is one of the authors of this statement, joshua gelter, on the national council under president obama. at the end of your letter you write we simply cannot wait any longer. why now, joshua? >> look, the past few days have been particularly awful. this has been gathering for months. we've seen this surge in

terrorist attacks on u.s. soil, by individuals who are not connected to al qaeda, they are not inspired by isis, they are instead driven by white supremacists, neo-nazi, other ideologies like that. that has not been the focus of u.s. terrorism for the past couple of decades and clearly we need to catch up. >> if more resources are needed, that to me says that it is not in place right now, of course. what is lacking right now? what isn't being done? >> i think there are a few things that can and should be done right away. first, we need to take the existing federal statutory definition of terrorism and attach criminal penalties to it. that's not currently a crime right now. there's a crime of international terrorism but there's no federal crime of domestic terrorism. that should change. there's another thing that should change, the national counterterrorism center, which was set up after 9/11 to be the intelligence hub for international terrorism is not permitted by federal law to work on these types of groups and

actors. that should change too. >> it seems -- i'm sure it involves a lot, but that seems like a pretty, i don't know any other way to say it but a duh moment. it should be done, if that's what their job should be. obviously i'm a layman when is comes to those types of things. one thing the president focused on this morning in talking about what he wants to see, what he prescribes in the aftermath of these two shootings is he took on violent video games as like a driver or a cause of what we're looking at. i wanted to know what you think of that. i mean are violent video games or the use of violent video games something that you ever looked at as part of assessing a threat? >> look, i really think the president should start with himself on this. he is putting out via tweet, via statement all sorts of language that those of us who work in counterterrorism never, ever dreamed we would see from a president of the united states. it may not encourage violence, but it indulges of notion that

immigrants somehow constitute an invasion of something like that. i have kids, i do worry about violent video games. i'm sure there's more we could do as a society on that or mental health issues which deserve resources and focus they don't get. if i'm president trump, i'd start with my own language and what it does for violence in this country. >> i'm really interested in your take on that because i just had cory booker on, running for president, senator from new jersey. he says along with most of the 2020 candidates, he says the president is responsible for these attacks because of fomenting the anger and racial division that he does. in what you see in the growing threat of white supremacist threats in the country, do you see a connection between words that come from the president's mouth and the attacks of this weekend? >> words that come from the president's mouth matter. you can never draw a perfect causal chain. when you see the president picking up on what are standard tropes in the white supremacist community, some of these tropes

go back to the civil war. the idea of referring to certain immigrant communities as dirty or filthy. describing immigrants as constituting an invasion. those who are listening in certain crowds, they think the president is indulging, maybe even encouraging them in the views that they hold based on those ideas, based on those trigger words in a sense. and that's a really dangerous place for our country to be. >> joshua geltzer, thank you for being here. the final line in the statement, you along with five other counterterrorism directors that span administrations, we simply cannot wait any longer. thanks for being here. >> thank you. coming up for us, the city of el paso still grappling with saturday's attack. joining us next is an el paso native who says the shooting was more than a, quote unquote, stab in the heart for his hometown, but to the heart of his people. ♪ how sweet the sound wey pride ourselves on making it easy for you

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breaking news now, another person has died as a result of the mass shooting here on saturday in el paso, texas. that means that 22 people were killed in that shooting at the walmart behind me. that's according to medical officials here in el paso. it's also the hometown of my next guest, richard parker. he's an opinion writer for "the

new york times." now, in a new op-ed he writes this. here's part of it. the el paso massacre, and that's what it is, it's not a mass shooting but a premeditated massacre, was the inevitable by-product of the trump era's anti-immigrant and anti-latino invective which has poisoned our nation. el paso-juarez is a big, bustling desert city of over 2 million, straddling the u.s. and mexico. my hometown has virtually zero modern history of ethnic strife. el paso alone is over 80% hispanic. we switch from english to spanish without skipping a beat and we are fine with that. but the trump era is not. richard, we talked a little bit before we came on. you watched what the president said today from the white house, and it's safe to assume you were not satisfied with that? >> no one should be, frankly. i can't imagine that people in el paso will be after this.

the discussion of this killing as somehow being the result of mental illness or video games is the new thoughts and prayers, frankly. even worse on the part of the president was his tweet this morning tying immigration laws to making this community safe again from this kind of horrific gun violence. that was frankly just salt in the wound by the president of the united states. >> you know, the alleged shooter in this document that was found online being called a manifesto says that el paso, and you know this community, it's your hometown, is it indicative of what is wrong with america, the blending of americas. do that ideology you say what? >> many of us in el paso are of blended ethnicities and races. my mother is a mexican immigrant and my father came to texas from arkansas. he is attempting to deny reality. the majority of people in texas are already hispanic. that is not in the future, it is today. so this kind of ideology has no

place in the 21st century, no place in the city of 2.3 million people. and most importantly, it has no place in modern texas. >> it appears that this -- at least the aftermath is much like what we've seen before, that some people will point to mental illness, they're bringing back video games again, as if china doesn't have video games and japan doesn't have video games and they don't have the mentally ill, or 21-year-olds. what is different about this moment? is there anything do you expect that will be different after this shooting here? >> the indelible difference from this shooting than any other, and i actually think there's no research to support that mental illness explains that we have 250 times as many mass shootings as other developed nations. but the main thing is that this was way calculated, ethnically driven hate attack aimed at latinos. it was the largest massacre of latinos in american history. the last such one took place in 1918 and cost 15 lives.

this one superseded it in a matter of moments. >> if the president is saying now what he said -- listen, the president is getting plaudits online for invoking white supremacy. he did the same thing after charlottesville and the next day said there were fine people on both sides. same room, same podium. what should everyone else do knowing what the playbook is? what are you expecting or hoping for from everyone else? >> i actually think this will be a pivotal moment in the history of texas. and that's very important politically. to think about it, these two incidents took place back-to-back in two crucial states in electoral terms, ohio and texas. this is going to have consequences in austin. the governor now is under tremendous pressure to do something. this is the third mass shooting in texas in two years. so i don't think that the status quo will suffice.

i wouldn't predict that it's going to change overnight, but the pressure has now become far too great. >> richard parker, thank you so much for being with us. i know this being your hometown, you know how people here are feeling and speaking with several of them. thank you for speaking with us. to follow the latest in the investigation and breaking news here in el paso, we're going to stay here, obviously, but kate, let's send it back to you in new york. >> thank you so much, victor. thank you for being there on the ground, i really appreciate it. we do have some additional breaking news on a very different front that we want to bring to you, though. the dow is taking a major hit right now, down over 700 points. it's been bouncing back and forth but staying down over 700 points quite a bit. the nasdaq is on pace to post its worst losing streak since trump was elected. there is much more on that to come. we'll keep an eye on that and bring you the details. i want to thank you for being here today and thank victor for being here with us for a very tough and sad two hours we've

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you are watching cnn's special live coverage on this monday afternoon. i'm brooke baldwin live here in dayton, ohio, where nine people have been killed and nearly a dozen are still in the hospital after yet another mass shooting. >> and i'm chris cuomo in el paso, texas. we've had a separate mass shooting but it was a very different nature and quality, as we understand it thus far. it wasn't about delusion or insanity, it was about hate. less than 24 hours of what happened in ohio, what happened here in a walmart required somebody with hate in their heart and in their head driving a long way to get close to the border and taking