good evening. from el paso there is a press conference in bell brook, ohio where the dayton shooter lived. authorities are expected to read a statement from the shooter's family. it the first time we are hearing from that family. we're watching that very closely. it looks like the officer is about to start. let's listen. so this is our prepared statement from the betts family. the betts family is shocked and devastated by the events of sunday morning in the oregon district. they offer their most heart-felt prayers and condolences to all the victims, their families and friends.

they thank the first responders from the dayton police and fire departments for their quick response to minimize casualties and to all who have provided aid to the victims. and they thank the police department for providing a safe environment to their home. they are cooperating with law enforcement and the investigation into the tragedy. they respect the investigative process being conducted by the dayton police department and the fbi and will not comment further on this investigation. the betts family would like to express their enormous gratitude and love for everyone that has reached out and given their support during this awful time. they ask that everyone respect the family's privacy in order to mourn the loss of their son and daughter and to process the horror of sunday's events. thank you.

>> all right. that was doug dougherty, the police chief in bell brook ohio, where the dayton killer's home is, reading a statement there from the family of the killer and also of the killer's sister, who was murdered in that shooting. i want to introduce you to a former fbi official katherine schwide, she's written a book on active shooters between 2000 and 2010 in which she looks at every active shooter situation in that time frame. it's an extraordinary report. also joining us analyst phil mudd. i'm wondering -- there's a lot we do not know about the dayton shooterthere's a lot of conflicting reports about his motivation. he called himself a leftist. there were things he had tweeted

out or forwarded or retweeted, i should say. when we look at the situation in dayton, when we look at this, what stands out to you? i think a lot of people think these people snap and just go and do this. in your study, it really shows the amount of time shooters put into these attacks. >> they do, absolutely, anderson. it takes time for them to decide. they could move on a pathway to violence and a quick pattern but more likely it's a lot slower they get an idea, they decide they have a grievances are whether it's real or perceived and then they build on that grievance. and sometimes they may have a grievance that they don't really have a good cause for. so they're angry at their boss, right? >> authorities sometimes call them grievance collectors. >> exactly. grievance collectors who look for -- they're frustrated and looking for something to get them over that frustration.

and they might be aggrieved that it's over the gas station guy and then it's this guy and then they continue to gather and gather. so sometimes they're looking for when you have somebody like what we're hearing where they might be looking at this web site and that web site, they're surfing, looking for somebody who agrees with them, somebody who they might be able to champion that same cause and say, yeah, yeah, that guy has the same frustration i do. it makes sense they might be looking in different areas. sometimes it takes a while to settle who they want to be angry at and how this e -- they ever -- they want to manifest that. >> the motive is clear. if the writings online -- >> i'm not even calling it a manifesto. it's basically the rantings of a white supremacist, a white nationalist.

we know the call came in first officer arrived six minutes later. the protocol here in el paso is to wait for three officers and those three officers then go in to try to neutralize the threat. we do not know at this point when three officers arrived, when they went in or even if anybody went in. the police haven't even said if police went into the walmart or interacted with the shooter beep -- we do know, which we learned today, some 24 minutes after the officer arrived, the suspect was able to leave and give himself up to a motorcycle officer on the periphery. >> the most significant, as soon as they speak, they're on the record. if they change the story a day later, someone is going to say you have to change the story. first you have to interview all the officers. if their story don't correspond, you have to reinterview them.

that time takes time. there's a bunch of data. every time a call goes in, how does it correspond to the initial timeline up set up? let's go 21st century. everybody is going to send in their cell phone records of what went on here. how do you correspond those to the police records here? and determine whether those match up. >> you think them not saying the details they know thus far, it's out of understandable caution, in your opinion, until they make sure they lock down exactly what happened. >> sure. when i was dealing with fast breaking situations and we had information put out too quickly and you have to correct it, people immediately assume you're trying to hide something. i wouldn't go too quickly. >> what your study did so brilliantly is look at all these active shooter situations. talk about the importance of response time. so many of these incidents, they're done in less than five minutes. you and i talked earlier today. i think you said about half of them, the deaths occur in the first two minutes. >> the first two minutes.

we studied 160 incidents and 65 of those basically where we could figure out the time element very critically, just like phil is saying, phil and i used to work together, hi, phil. like we used to say of the 60-some, 45 of them the police had to engage a shooter. that's because the situation was over before that time. so of those -- even of those 60 some instances where we could nail down the time, half of them occurred in two minutes or less. they were over. two minutes or less. so police response is part it have and it is really important, anderson, because every minute, especially involving a rifle is hundreds potentially more rounds. right? but a good -- an officer who dies at the scene doesn't do us any good. and i will say that one of the most surprising things that i found in doing -- in writing that research for the fbi is

that of the incidents where the law enforcement officers engage the shooter, of 45 of the 160 incidents, in nearly half of those incidents, 9 officers killed, 27 wounded. it's a very volatile situation for law enforcement and it understandable that law enforcement is not going to second guess another law enforcement agency. but the protocol, it has been changing. >> yeah. when you say the protocol has been changing, in some cases -- in some places they don't wait for three officers, you're saying first officer on the scene is expected to go in? >> yeah. and i apologize for not continuing on that. but the protocol for three officers before you go in, a lot of departments are trained that way, particularly on the west coast, but certainly in big cities they train three-member team and they wait and there have been plenty of instances. i think navy yard they waited

for a three-member training team and a lot of other places. you look at l.a.x. where they had their shooting, the officers ran in one at a time, one at a time, one at a time. there are plenty of other instances the officers go in one at a time and that's why it's more volatile for the officers. we've been training to change that since sandy hook from three to one. >> interesting. phil, a lot of people, a lot of politicians have been looking at this and some of the democrats are saying, look, we need to make domestic terrorism a crime the say way international terrorism is. right now it's not a crime in and of itself. it's usually other charges, weapons charges, hate crimes. you say that can be a slippery slope and maybe people haven't really fully looked at the implications of that. >> i'm the counterterrorism guy. let me tell you what's going to happen if we go down that path.

i'm suggesting we talk about it. we declare a domestic terror group in the united states, as we've done in the past -- with foreign groups. >> >> it could be a white supremacy group? >> right wing, left wing. if you tell me to take them down, i don't think people understand what will happen to groups that today are considered free speech groups. i think it's fine but be careful what you wish for. >> because that's why this has not been done heretofore because of free speech issues. americans have protections we don't give to foreign nationals. >> true, but let me go cultural and political for you for a second. when we were chasing al qaeda and isis, people were saying -- these are people from over seas. as soon as you're start chasing left wing, right wing, you're chasing your neighbor. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. i read your report.

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we met so many remarkably kind, strong and resilient people here in el paso. and pastor o'grady is one of them. former president of the naacp. his daughter was shot and severely wounded at the walmart. paster grady joins me. thank you so much for being with us. first of all, how is your daughter doing? it is extraordinary. she was shot outside the walmart as the shooter first began. >> yes.

>> she was able to call your wife, her mom, and your wife came down within about six minutes, then you came down and you actually -- there weren't enough ambulances and people helping, you actually put her into a cart with the help of a walmart person and got her to the hospital? >> yes. we eventually got to the ramp where the ambulances were and we had to fight for a place. they were loading up and moving out and loading up and moving out and we wanted them to know that michelle was precious to us and she needed to go next. so we had to fight a little battle there, we had to raise our voice. my wife was intentional and purposeful and making sure that michelle was going to be taken care of. we finally got her loaded on an ambulance. my wife rolled with the ambulance to umc. i had to run down here and get the car and meet them at umc. >> how is she doing? >> today she's doing a little bit better. she's getting stronger every day. >> she was shot through the leg into her pelvis. >> her abdomen.

she's had surgery with that and she's working through that right now. she's a little bit coherent. she's speaking at much as she can been she's got great spirits. we've been around the bed, holder her hand, reminding her she's going to be all right, she's in the hands of the lord and great doctors. >> i imagine you've been praying. >> prayed for her. there are probably 10,000 people here praying for her in el paso and around the country. >> you were in the military. you have counselled people. you've seen horrific things. now you are going through this. how do you counsel yourself? what do you tell yourself about how this happened, why this happened? >> i'm reminded that got is fateful and that god requires something of us as human and that this horrific tragedy was based on a programming.

i remember when trayvon martin was shot and things over the years escalated and escalated and there was no retribution and no consequences for the actions. i knew this day was going to come. god holds us accountable. you reap what you sow. this unfolded the lord took me back to that place. the judgment began. the justice is on the nation because we walked away from the principles of love and peace and hope and faith. >> it sounds to me that you would like to give that message to our leaders, to our president. he's coming here tomorrow. what would you say to him? >> i would say to president trump that words matter. and once you speak words, whether they're good words or words of divisiveness and hatred and division, words matter. and once they're spoken, they can't be brought back. they may land in a place maybe that you may not even understand who is going to receive it -- >> or how -- >> or how they're going to receive it.

you have the responsibility to filter your words with love. you're the president of all people of the united states. i think that if i had an opportunity to share with him, would i just ask him what's in your heart? the scripture says out of the heart flows the issues of life. what he speaks is in his heart. i watched the interview the other day when he tried to make some semblance of apology and i didn't see any passion. i see him reading from a monitor. i didn't see a real man standing up to take any responsibility saying i called people shit-hole countries and called people aliens and that we're being invaded. you have to reap what you sew. i would say, mr. president, you created in the nation an environment where people feel they have a right to act out in violence and in hatred. they feel they've been given permission. that's what i would share with him, that he has created this theme that now permeates the air. you don't know who is going to

grab it. it's like the internet. you don't know who is going to read it and what their thoughts are. he has a responsibility to own up and then to try to heal this nation. not just our city but the nation. it's often said that it takes a village to raise one child. what if the village is sick? then the child is going to come out sick. our nation is a big village but our nation is sick and it's being taken advantage of because of the color of the skin, the ethnicity and culture. an opportunity to we could do good but we've allowed our evil to be more dominant. instead of bringing people together, we've divided the nation. >> i can tell you're a good pastor. your words have a lot of power. i appreciate you taking the time to be with us and our thoughts are with your daughter and with your family. >> thank you. >> another person we talked to is a young man named octavio.

at the walmart with his 15 year-old nephew. his nephew, javier, was shot and killed. he was the youngest victim here in el paso. he was hit in the foot. he was on top of his nephew trying to protect his nephew. i talked to him a few hours ago. he underwent the second of what may be as many as six surgeries trying to save that foot. i spoke to octavio shortly before. the surgery. >> where were you earlier that day? >> i went to the bank, i was going to open an account. cash my check. getting shoes and shirts. >> when did you realize something terrible was happening? >> i saw people running and next thing i knew, i heard shots fired. >> so you saw people running before you saw the shots? >> and running towards walmart. >> where were you in the walmart? >> i was in the line. >> and was javier right by you? did you actually see the gunman? >> no.

i glanced at him when she shot us. the only thing i saw was his glasses. >> how far away was he from you? >> from me? >> yeah. >> from here to like my mom. >> so from the time you saw people running to when you got hit, do you know about how long that was? >> it felt like all this happened like 20 minutes but it felt like we were there for hours. >> did you have time to run or were you -- >> we went to the office. we ran in there. i threw my nephew down on the floor and i hugged him and i said don't move, don't move. if he shoots me, don't move. i was laying on top of him when the manager came in and opened the door where they kept their money and stuff and he didn't let anybody in. at that point i guess the gunman heard us and he came over the counter and shot us both. >> did you see him coming closer? >> i heard him.

he kept shooting one by one in the bank. >> was javier saying anything? were you speaking anything? >> no, i didn't let him say a word. i didn't want him to be in danger. >> so you were right there when he got shot? >> right in front of me. >> had you been shot at that point? >> no, he shot me after. he came back and shot me, make sure i'm dead but he didn't. >> why do you have think that is? >> the only explanation is god. >> how did you get out? >> a cop came by asking if anybody was injured. so i crawled from the bank to the entrance and he took me, put me in a shopping cart and took me and they showed me right there.

>> that javier was gone? you could tell by the injury? >> yes. >> what do you want people to know about javier? >> i just want them to know that he was very, very funny. we had very good times together. he loved soccer. >> was he a better player than you? >> yeah. he was. by a lot. >> by a lot? >> scorpion, that was his game? >> that was the logo for the school. you know what's funny? he knew a lot about bugs. he always saying you know that it does this? you don't have time for math? i want everybody to appreciate

everything they have, those who love them. you don't want it to get to a point where somebody dies and that's where your family comes together and friends. >> the person who did this drove all the way here. >> yeah, honestly, i have no hate against him or anything. >> you don't? >> if god is able to forgive those who put him on the cross, >> i forgive as well. i -- it might be hard for my family to forgive but i went to church and i prayed to god before and i've always learned to forgive. >> we mentioned octavio's second surgery on his foot. they're fighting to save that foot. he works in construction. it's crucial for him to walk. his wife has set up a gofundme page if you'd like to contribute.

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cnn's manu raju is saying senate republicans are scrambling for a legislative response. they are willing to look at bills that will cover mental health issues and violent video games. mitch mcconnell has no plans to allow a vote on background

check legislation. that passed the house earlier in year and is sitting there. pushing for federal laws since a gunman killed in information. 26 children and teachers were killed at sandy hook in 2012. they fight for new laws. he's delivered a 15-hour filibuster to protest the lack of progress. senator murphy, is anything go to change after this? we've seen time and time again and people have hope for change and call for change but it doesn't seem like it going to be any different this time. what do you think? >> well, everybody thought that everything had changed after sandy hook. people thought that we were not just going to get a universal background checks law but a reimposition of the assault weapons ban and none of that happened because the gun lobby was too powerful and the anti-gun violence movement

simply wasn't strong enough back in 2013. so i've become convinced unfortunately that this really is ultimately a question of political power. this is about winning enough elections so that it is 90% of our constituents that want things like universal background checks who get their say. i've been on the phone all weekend with my republican colleagues. i think there is interest on their behalf in taking some small steps forward but none of the things that are being proposed are going to change the reality on the ground when it comes to mass shootings or in places like chicago where 50 people were shot this weekend. ultimately i think this is about taking this matter once again to the electorate and telling them that if you want to change the reality of gun violence in this country, you're going to have to change who controls the united states senate and who's in the white house. >> up know, it was surprising and then it disappeared when president trump, you know, before making a public announcement about this tweeted out that he thought, you know,

some stronger background checks, that issue should be linked with immigration reform. does that make any sense to you? he mentioned in a tweet, hasn't mentioned it since. >> yeah, i think it was interesting that the president mentioned it in one tweet and a few hours later when he gave prepared remarks, there was absolutely no mention of any gun measures coming before congress. he ridiculously blamed this all on mental illness and video games. we don't have any more mental illness in this country than any other nation, we just have all the mass shootings. but i remember this because i was sitting two seats away from the president in the white house after the parkland shooting. if you remember that televised meeting. he seemed to get behind universal background checks, bans on assault weapons and then later that day the gun lobby came into his office and convinced him to take all of those measures off the table. so it may be that in between sending out that tweet and then going before the cameras he was once again reminded of his gun

lobby patrons and i just don't think you can count on this president ever following through on backing really tough gun measures. i remain ready to be surprised on that count but i've seen the president pull the rug out from under us before. >> yeah. in that meeting, i remember there were a couple of meetings like that at that time, i remember with him chiding with some republican members of congress saying they were afraid of the nra. he was saying he would take the heat. that changed 24 hours later, as you said, he seemed to meet with nra people and that was that. senator chuck grassley reportedly said today that leader mcconnell's process is, quote, based upon what he can get done with the least controversy. that doesn't sound like real change. >> no, that's not real change. and i wish the senate would remember what it used to be. i mean, this used to be the world's greatest deliberative

body where we would put really tough measures on the floor and try to come to some compromise whereby we could get 50 or 60 votes. i'm not interested in a short circuited process in which mitch mcconnell only brings up the measures that will get 100 votes. i understand it's tough to get 60 votes for background checks. i have been in contact with republicans over the weekend. i think there are some creative ideas that might be able to bring republicans and democrats together, but not if mitch mcconnell doesn't allow a background checks bill to the floor, doesn't allow us to have an open and full debate in the senate. so i'm hopeful that that's going to happen. frankly i think mitch mcconnell is really nervous about putting his members on record. he does not want senate republicans to have to choose between the majority, the vast majority of their constituents who want these new laws and the nra, a legacy establishment facet of the republican party. >> so if the republicans said,

okay, look, we'll do some so-called red flag laws, senator lindsey graham has talked about that and that's about it, is that something you would get behind? >> well, again, i want to have a full and open debate on the floor of the senate. i mean, if the majority leader wants to put a red flag law on the senate, that's fine but allow us to do what we are supposed to be able to do as senators, which is to try to amend that and make it stronger. so i have no problem with the majority leader starting the process with a piece of legislation that has greater consensus but let us try to amend it to make it a better law. let us see if we can get 60 votes for something stronger than just an extreme risk protection order. >> senator chris murphy, i appreciate it. thank you very much. thanks for your time. >> thanks. >> up next, more on the dayton investigation, plus a family's heart ache after the mass shooting there. the final phone call one victim made after she was shot.

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moments ago we heard a statement from the parents of the gunman in dayton, ohio massacre expressing their heart felt prayers, condolences to all the victims, their families and friends. they said earlier the gunman had been exploring violent ideologies and mass killings and shootings.

but have no clear motive. randi, what have you learned? what have you seen? >> reporter: anderson, cnn's investigative unit has been looking into what appears to be the twitter feed of the dayton, ohio shooter. it's a very leftist site. he retweeted left-weng posts and anti-police post and retweeted posts support the violent group antifa. on august 3 his most recent tweet. the day of the shooting. and this is what the tweet said that he posted, "millennials have a message for the joe biden generation, hurry up and die," anderson. >> did he tweet anything about other candidates or retweet? >> he did. he tweeted about elizabeth warren and about bernie sanders, he tweeted support for both of them. i should also mention that he tweeted about i.c.e. he retweeted posts about i.c.e., calling them monsters.

all of this was mixed in with selfies and photos and other nonpolitical tweets. that twitter feed, anderson, has been shut down. >> it's so strange. his sister, i mean, according to all reports, he murders his sister in that and shot the other person that he came with. there's still a lot, obviously police have not identified about his motive or the reason that spot. there's still kind of a lot to learn. you spent time today with the family of one of the victims. >> reporter: right. and they have so many questions still, anderson. so much to learn. we spent some time with lois ogelsby's mom. her pain still raw. she did tell us her daughter was a wonderful mother, her children were always her top concern, even as she took her last breath. >> sandra james is mourning her daughter lois, who was struck by a bullet and killed in the dayton, ohio shooting.

she has a -year-old daughter and had just given birth several months ago to a baby girl. she was looking forward to a night how the with her girl friends. >> she said, mommy, i can have fun, too. she said i haven't been out so i'm going to go out and i'm going to have some drinks. i said, okay, be careful, and that was it. >> reporter: you told her to be careful. >> be careful. i knew she was going to call me. i knew she was going to call me. she didn't call me. >> reporter: her mother says after lois was shot, she called her boyfriend, who was watch being the kids. how did you find out what happened? >> we were asleep and her boyfriend called and he said, mom, lois face timed him.

he said she said she was grazed by a bullet and she said, babe, come and get me. he said, no, you need to go to the hospital. she said, no, i need to get to my kids and then that was it. >> reporter: so she was able to facetime? >> she face timed him. >> reporter: her boyfriend? after she had been shot. >> yeah. she thought she was grazed. she said i've been grazed by a bullet. >> reporter: sandra and her daughter's boyfriend rushed to the scene but lois's injuries were more severe than she thought. she died before they arrived. >> i couldn't get to where she was. he saw her laying there. he got to where she was with the cover on her. and he was angry because he wanted her off. ground. >> reporter: she was in the street? >> yeah. >> reporter: lois was just 27. this recent video shows lois getting her baby girl to smile for the first time.

>> hi, mommy. >> i actually talked to a young lady who heard her say her last words, which was somebody get my kids. and she said they weren't there three minutes, they didn't have any drinks. >> reporter: before it happened? >> they didn't even get inside the bar. they were outside. >> reporter: i'm so sorry. sandra says her daughter was a loving mom who loved not only her own children but all children. >> this is lois. >> reporter: lois worked at a day care center and had dreams of becoming a pediatric nurse. >> reporter: my daughter was beautiful inside and out. and the love that she showed for kids, the compassion that she had for children, it was just amazing.

>> reporter: during lois' first pregnancy years ago, she'd been carrying twins, but when only one survived, she explained to her daughter hanna, that her twin sister had gone to heaven. now this. so does hanna now understand what's happened to her mom? does she think she's gone to the same place? >> yeah, but she says she wants her to come down. she knows she's in heaven but she wants her to come down. every phone that rang, the people were here she kept asking is that my mommy? somebody call my mommy. she wants someone to call mommy. >> reporter: anderson, imagine how hard it must be for a 7-year-old to make sense of all of this when we as adults can't even understand or comprehend what's happened here. but sandra says she does plan to help raise her two daughters,

granddaughters. she just hopes she can be as loving as her daughter was. >> she's just extraordinary that she's able to talk in this, the darkest moment of her grief. i keep thinking in a few days or weeks, cameras are going to leave here and people are going to move on elsewhere and she and everybody here that has lost somebody, their lives are forever changed and they're going to be expected to go back to work and move on with their lives and, i mean, that's one of the saddest things of all. their lives are forever changed. coming up next, randi, thank you for that. i really appreciate you being able to talk to sandra. coming up next on the killings here, i want to talk someone who spent a decade researching the white power movement and what we can learn from this and from her. we'll be right back. [farmers bell] ♪ (burke) a "rock and wreck." seen it. covered it. at farmers insurance, we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪

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much has been said about the killings in el paso. joining us now, author and professor.

you wrote a fascinating piece. planned to incite a much larger slaughter by awakening other people and that's in quotes, awakening other people to join the movement. we're talking about the el paso shooting, the gilroy shooting, not in the dayton shooting can you just explain that? i think that's such an important concept not only in how we cover it but how people think about it that these aren't one-off incidences, these are incidences that are building on each other. >> absolutely. and i think maybe the first thing to understand is what we mean when we say movement and especially the white power movement. what i'm talking about is a social groundswell of people who came together in the aftermath of the vietnam war, including groups like klan, skin head, neonazi radical tax resistance groups. in order to sort of come together in -- what they

eventually declared as a war on the federal government. now, that conflict was inherently radical. not just sort of a defense of the nation, but an attempt at its overthrow and the way that these acts of violence were used was not simply to create a catastrophic act of violence, but also to bring about political awakening for others to join the cause. >> and so when -- you know, the authorities talk about so-called manifesto, i've read it. it's more just a racist screed. i think calling it a manifesto gives it too much attention and credit, frankly for intelligence. but things like that, those are messages -- this is -- the person who did this, the people who do these kind of acts with white supremacy, white

nationalist believes they are trying to essentially encourage other people to do the same thing. it's not an end in and of itself. >> that's absolutely right. and in the case of this piece of writing. we see a very clear set of tactical instructions about use of weapons, selection of targets and other very serious information that's left there for future gunmen to follow in this person's footsteps. >> and it's interesting -- many times, these shooters, they reference shooters who have come before them and murdered people before them almost as martyrs for this cause. >> yes. we have in our reporting and in our popular understanding this idea of the lone wolf actor that is a completely false and constructed idea in the case of white power violence. what we're talking about instead is an ideological driven series of actions that are connected with one another and have deep

meaning to the people carrying them out. whether or not you think that the piece of writing represents a work of intellect is hardly the point. just like these pieces of violence are connected with one another by this movement. now, when we do this kind of lone wolf story, one of the things we miss is the way that this is a big and broad social movement. it includes men, women and children, it included people all across the country, people of very different kinds of backgrounds, all coming together in what they see as a state of emergency and imminent racial annihilation. >> even calling it white -- >> and that was pushed people to action. >> even calling it white nationalism, from what i've read, it seems like a misnomer. that almost sounds like it's a

patriotic thing when we're talking about white supremacists here. >> i think white supremacy is related but is much broader than what we're talking about when we want to look at the violent fringe. white supremacy describes all kinds of different systems, structures and ideologies. we're talking about a small, radical group that poses an eminent threat to the nation. when people hear white nationalism. it's not the united states, it's the aryan. >> that's incredibly important to remember. professor, i really appreciate your time. your article in the "new york times," i urge people to read it. it's eye opening. as we look at the people gathered here behind me, we'll look at how this community is responding after a call went out for blood donors in the wake of the tragedy. (ding) hey, who are you?

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we've met some remarkable people here and so kind and open and wanting people to know the real el paso. our gary tuckman has an example. take a look. >> reporter: the response was immediate. when people in the el paso area heard blood donations were needed, they turned out in huge numbers. this 18-year-o