♪ [ applause ] welcome to van jones show. look, tonight we are getting insight from two great leaders on this show. the first one hopes to go directly from the statehouse in washington state to the oval office in washington, d.c. governor jay inslee running for president. and he is here with us tonight. governor inslee [ applause ] >> i love it. second, we got a guy who might be able to help us make some sense of what's going on with the presidential race and everything else happening in america. a personal hero of mine, former massachusetts governor de ville patrick also in the house. [ applause ] >> we are going to have a major major thing tonight. now this guy running for

president i'm going to ask him once we get him out here. but first i want to talk -- sadly this summer has been dominated by hate, by fear mongering from the streets. racially divisive rhetoric from the the highest office in the land. the attack ossan the squad. trump took to israel saying it would show great weakness allowing two democratic congresswoman of color. here is why i'm concerned about that trump's success always relied on two things. one is a strong economy but the other one is stoking all the racial divides. that's his formula. this week we saw signs of potential economic vulnerability. i'm worried the president will decide to double down now on all the inflammatory rhetoric. i'm concerned about what's happening to la tina and latino in the country. every dayna chunt face as double

threat. on the one hand, the network of white nationalist terrorists growing online, the hate amongers increasingly aiming violence at spanish speakers with brown skin. on the other hand, la tina and latinos face threats from the government with the trump administration deporting parents, separating families at the berd. increasingly a community caught between hate and state violence. you can say daily evidence of this. the suspected killer who drove ten hours just to get to el paso, texas. authorities said specifically to shoot mexicans and immigrants. in gilroy, california, a murder killed three people, injured 139. and the majority latino community. authorities haven't ruled out white nationalism in that case. meanwhile on the first kay of school, the united states government rounded up 680 undocument the immigrants in the mississippi plant, many were

parents. so predictably scores of little kids were left stunned and abandoned and traumaticized. we have a specific group in our country facing a specific set of threats based on a specific racially charged rationale. that white people face an invapgs of brown skin people ep who want to replace them. that's the fear that unites stephen miller, an architect of the trump immigration policy with the aanonymous hate amongers on line. these are avoiding speaking spanish in public. seeking escape routes in case they are next. >> we are seeing a lot of fear in the community because of that. and people know that it's just because of the color of the skin. >> we're being isolated for the color and attacked. our government needs to step in. if not the people here will step in. >> you know, you hear the fear

in her voice, confronting racial hatred requires leadership. dit o for climate change, social justice reform. so many issues. luckily my first guest shows loweredship across the border. welcome to the van jones show governor jay inslee. >> how are you, brother. >> thanks for the intro. >> it's an honor to have you here. in the face of all of gun violence you have come out with a very aggressive plan to try to make the streets safer, to deal with guns. talk a little bit about your gun plan and why you bring that forward right now. >> we know the pall of fear coming out of the white house. i think the first thing is as part of the gun plan and violence plan is to confront it. i'm reminded of the signs in the airports if you see something, say something. i see something and i'm saying

something. it's time to get while nationalism out of the white house. i feel that very, very strongly. >> wow. >> i think that's the first -- i think that's the first step is to know you are going to confront it. basically it would reengage the federal government to protect us as it should from the real threat of while nationalism. it's amazing to me when you have the fbi director say this is a major threat of domestic terrorism is in fact white nationalism but the president denies, attacking members of congress saying they should go back where they came from. that's the first order. then we have the set of gun safety rules we need to adopt part of my plan. >> let's take those one at a time. you've gone so far as to say the president of the united states donald trump is a white nationalist himself. that's a very insendary explosives charge. he thinkts it's good oh for him. why would you use that label with the president of the united states? >> well somebody the asked why i would refer to him as a white

nationalist it's because he is a white nationalist. that's why i said what i said. you never know what's in a person's heart. that's unknowable to any of us. this is a guy who built his entire political capital and calling barack obama a person born in kenya. he would in the exist politically except for the racially that was intentional to try to create a group who would follow him over the cliff of racism. he followed up in the middle of the terms with saying people in charmtsville, there were good people on boekt sides. most recently he attacks members of the united states congress, these are people dually elected as part of the united states congress, attacking them clearly on racial lines saying you need to go back where you come from. it doesn't matter what's in his heart. what matters is what he is saying and doing. it amounts to a full scale attack on what we hold dear. >> some people might call it racial tunism any number of things. is there a danger that democrats

by calling him have a reaction from the base? now you are saying everybody spoerpts trump as a racist. everybody supports trump as a white nationalist. how do you tell the tough truth that you see about the record without spearing his supporter who may or may not appreciate that label. >> the good news it's not happening and it's not happening. because a lot of the folks voting for donald trump have had a bellyful of cratering our economy on his trade war. tired of his tweets, intruding on their personal lives. tired of his climate change denial which 75% of all americans including half of republicans know is a scientific reality. i will tell you this, van. those people will be voting for the democratic nominee as president of the united states this year. i believe that. >> we'll see. you know, the other part of what you are doing is you are being really tough on the gun lobby, really tough on guns. and in 1994 you voted for the assault weapons been and it cost you your seat. >> right. >> why do you think an issue

that cost you your seat in 1994 is a winning issue for you in 2020. >> two things. i did i voted for it as a freshman in the legislature to ban assault weapons. i knew if i did that i would lose my seat. >> why did you do it? >> i have never regretted that for a nano second because it saved people's lives and that's what the federal government ought to do. i never regretted it for a moment. during the ten years it was in place there was ma 30% reduction of the use of these weapon in the mass assaults. it did is have a benefit. people now know kids have to worry not about a mag test but whether they're safe at school from gun violence. this is now permeating our lives. people are crying for justice on the streets. i have the nra on the run in my state. i will have them on the run nationally i'll gaernlt. >> why do you say they're on the run from in your state. >> we are beating them. we have passed three of the most

aggressive laws in the united states not just extreme risk protection orders but gun owner responsibility laws to make sure guns are secured. by the way, in just donate isn't homicide it's people taking lives by suicide. guns in homes that are unsecured where kids can get them cause suicide. we got to realize that. we have a provision that requires training, have to be trained before you buy a semi automatic weapon. we're not done yet we have them on the run. >> you have a track record of beating them in your state. >> yeah. >> you think it's a winning policy going forward. >> definitely i believe every county and state in the country is ready for more assertive actions on gun safety. >> how would you get it passed tp. [ applause ] >> you got people who agree with you. how would you get it passed how would you go about getting it passed? you got a solid block against you in the senate. >> well, there is a minority in the senate. s in a very important point of the democratic primary. because we as democrats know our nation needs to move.

>> right. >> this is not a moment for inincrementalism. we need big action on climate change, guns, health care. none of those are possible if we allow mitch mcconnell to have the filibuster. and we have to get rid of the full buster. the filibuster as you know allows mitch mcconnell with only 40 votes to vest even bipartisan measures from come to the senate. we got to get rid of the filibuster. i'm not happy with my opponents who signed up on this yet. >> listen, i mean, i think biden is concerned about eliminating the filibuster. cory booker is concerned about -- their argument is you're talking about radically changing the way the u.s. government has worked for centuries. because you're frustrated with mitch mcconnell. >> look i've been against the filibuster since 2009. it hasn't been part of american history 200 years actually just a few decades. now it's being used totally differently than it was

envisioned to be used. it's not in the u.s. constitution. this is just a rule. this is an anti-democracy action. here is -- i know this is radical. but i believe one person should have one vote. and one senator should have one vote. and no other senators should get 1.5 votes. that's what a filibuster does. >> we have more to talk about when we get. with jay inslee including the issue he put at the center of his candidacy. weal talk about the climate crisis. can this guy fix it? we'll find out with he with he get back. [ applause ] . and now with each new line, get one of our latest smartphones included. $40/line for four lines and smartphones are included for the whole family. you don't need to go anywhere dad, this is your home. the best home to be in is your own. home instead offers personalized in-home services for your loved ones. home instead senior care.

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cap and trade when i was in the white house. now every other candidate seems they have a plan too. why are you different from everybody else with a climate plan. >> because i'll be president of the united states. how is that? that's one. >> that's one. >> i think there is three things. i'm glad other members are talking about this now. you know, irving it's no secret i have been the most passionate on this. this has been a multidecadele effort for me we co-authored a become. i started the climate alliance with jerry brown, andrew cuomo. i have started with long time than all the other candidates. i don't think anyone can come with within 1,000 yards of my multidecadele leadership on this. distinguish my candidacy i'm the only candidate who says this should be the number one priority of the united states. and i have pledged that if i become president -- [ applause ] >> if -- if i was given in high honor i would make this the

organizing principle of my administration. it has to be the first, foremost and par mount duty of the next administration. and the reason if it's not job one is won't get done.

any social change you have setbacks, right. every social change from, you know, women's suffrage. you had set backs. but always two steps forward one step back. this is the nature of social change >> i can feel your passion for this. is that why you are so tough on biden. biden was out there trying to get involved and you said you're dealing with half measures,py.

why are you tough op biden on this. >> i think there is a difference in the approach. and i think it's profound because my plan does require us to get off coal in ten years. that's scientifically necessary. it does require that we have fossil fuel -- it does require fossil fuel electricity in 15 and clean cars starting ten years from now. his plan simply does not do those things. now, i do think that i've got, again, a unique passion on this subject. and this is different than the vice president's. >> what do you say to the coal miners saying basically in ten years they won't have a job. >> what i'm saying is a you are part of the american fabric some of the hardest working people in the country. built the industrial might of the united states. you have a dignity about you we have tremendous respect toen a we should do for you what we do for our coal miners. we are closing our last coal fired plant but we didn't just itch -- flip the switch we create add 5 a million dollar

fund to make sure the families have an economic future. and this other point, donald trump is lying to you if you are a coal miner. because right now you know one of the greatest threats to coal miners are the bosses who like bankruptcy just like donald trump did who want to welch on in re pension and health care benefits. we have to stand by these people. my plan does that. >> another issue we care a lot about is criminal justice reform. >> yeah. >> you have a strong plan on that. going back to that '94 crime bill, you know biden has a lot of heat for voting for that. you also voted for that '94 crime bill. do you regret making that vote in 94? how do you think about the clinton crime bill. >> there were things i liked, which was the assault weapons ban i voted to make sure was in there. but it had a racially disparity impact. as governor i've been dedicated to writing the racial imbalance

in the criminal justice system in a slough of ways. i was one of the first to offer pardons for thousands of people caught in the drug wars. because that has had substantial racial disparity. we have embraced some changes so we stopped the school to prison pipeline. we got to help young people make sure they end up having a good education so they're not part of that pipeline into the prison system. we're dedicated to that. >> yeah. >> we have a task force looking at sentencing. i think it needs significant reform. so as governor i think we are doing great things in the state of washington in in regard and we are not done. >> listen -- listen give him a round of applause. he deserves it. [ applause ] >> it's amazing to listen to you. you've been a prosecutor, congress person, a governor. and yet you still haven't gotten that traction yet you need. you may not make the next debate. you got to get 1% in three polls. 135 in tannors. is it a liability or asset to be

as accomplished as you in this kind of, you know, weird moment? >> listen, we actually have had a spark lately. the good news is. on the second debate we finally got a chance to talk about climate change. only a couple minutes but finally had a chance. since then we have had 46,000 new contributors to the campaign. it's a big burst of enthusiasm. we're now within just a few thousand of getting to the 130,000-dollar mark. and by the way, if you allow me to remind they can go to jay inslee.com and send a dollar and they might be the 130,000th to get me over. i hope people can consider that. >> [ applause ] >> you need polling. >> if somebody calls you mention my name. >> hey, listen, if you don't make this next don't, what happens? >> well, i don't plan, you know -- i played a lot of basketball in my day. when i shoot a jump shot i

didn't think about it wasn't going on np every shot i take is going on. no plan bp that's what we plan. we have had the burst, again. if we get to the 130,000 it's going to demonstrate big grass roots support for this issue. this was not some corporate deal. these are people responding to my climate change message finally when they heard it. they didn't hear it the first debate. >> they got a chance to hear it. hickenlooper had a good record. he dropped out. when you see people step back does the bring the cold up the back of your next. >> i'm always going to the hoop, man. you give me the ball i'll take it to the hoop that's what i'm doing. >> you're my favorite kind of voirmtleist. we don't have throw away species or resources no throw away people orp children or neighborhoods. give a round of applause. appreciate you very, very much. >> thank you. >> yeah. coming up we saw the heart breaking video of the little girl crying after her father was

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in week the trump administration put forward a proposal that would potentially deny green cards to immigrants who use certain government services and trump's top immigration official ken cuccinelli put a racist spin on words just below the statue of liberty. you know the words give me your tired, your poor, huddled masses. he says that's just about europeans. all right, so listen, all this comes after the controversial i.c.e. raids that separated hundreds of families in mississippi leaving kids in tears and in terror. and cuccinelli warned there is likely to be more to come. okay. now this is a personal issue for the actress and immigration activist dianne guerrero. born in the united states after her parents came here from columbia, escaping violence. when she was 14 years old her parents were deported while she was at school. now, theses themes are part of a new season for her show orange is the new black. but i want to you look at what she has to say about this topic.

[ applause ] >> well, first of all, congratulations on the show, the success of the show. you come back on the show. but i just want to start out on the personal side. look i've got a son turned 15. a little boy turning 11 this month. i can't imagine them coming home to an empty house with the parents being gone. talk to us about that experience so people understand this is not an abstract debating point. >> right, well it was something that i -- my family and i always feared. and then it actually happened. and we were unprepared. you know, at the time, the nation really wasn't having conversations like the ones we are having now. and even still we are having the conversations. and still. >> still happening. >> still happening. families are being separated. it was really scary. it was really really scary. and i didn't -- i didn't know

that i had any rights. i didn't -- i mean, i didn't think i belonged here even though i know i was born here. and i -- it was -- if it wasn't for my community, if it wasn't for friends and family that took me in after that i don't think i would have survived. and i get a lot of compensates on like well why didn't you go back to columbia? well, what -- why do you think? >> hard to go back someplace you never been start with that. >> i've never been there. i don't know it. i'm an american citizen. and i had to carry out some of the things that i wanted to carry out. i wanted to continue my education. i wanted to support my family. i wanted to do something that meant something big are than me. >> the amazing thing is you were able to do all the things. but i want to talk about something -- even before your parents were deported, up up. >> you knew that that could possibly happen. can you talk about the stress of young people right now across this country who are just living

in fear every day. even though it never happens to them what's the impact of living in fear that you could open the door any day and see it empty. >> i mean, it's this trauma. >> yeah. >> that you live with and constant fear. i mean think about it. a child thinking about i'm going to come home from school today and my parents will be gone. how hard it is to concentrate, study, how hard it is to think about anything else other than that. children shouldn't be worrying about these issues. children should be worrying about expanding heir rein and learning and living a full life. that's no way for a child -- that's severely impacts a child's growth. people in the country thatted regardless of status, undocumented or otherwise, have certain rights under the constitution. and if there is one thing that you can do i would say is to lead with power and not panic. and i know it's difficult because at this time the tactics that this administration is using are severe, all the threats of raids, we're coming

to your house. i just wanted to remind people that you do have certain rights under the law and if anybody comes to your house there is this card i'm going to pull it out of my bag here. i work with an organization, the ilrc -- immigrant legal resource center and it's a card here that has your rights. and it comes in eight languages. >> beautiful. >> and one side is the language of your choosing and the other side is are your rights in english. and if an agent comes to your house you can slip that through the door. knowledge is power and knowing your rights is power. if any -- [ applause ] >> how can people get this card? >> you can download it online. or you can go to the ilrc. >> ilrc. >> immigrant legal resource center and they have them there. >> it's really extraordinary because, you know, a lot of actors, entertainers, they are so focused on careers, so much to do, why are you so active and

passionate and involved with these issues now? i mean, listen you are fine now. you don't have to do this why do you do it. >> why are all of us invested? think about your children. think about your children. would you be okay if your children were ripped away from you and put in a camp or a prison or another house or anywhere else other than with you? think about that. >> did you get a chance to watch the debates? >> i hear a lot of in discussion about decriminalizing entry, right. and yes, i think it should be a civil offense. it shouldn't be a criminal offense. and this is what they do with us, right. any -- any categoryizes as a criminal and strip you of rights and dehumanize and throw you away. this is what we're talking about on orange is the new black is

how you just label someone a criminal. and then just throw you away. and what i hope that people take out of the show and these families being separated and these deaths that were occurring, all over our country that we're missing an opportunity to embody a new set of inclusive values in our country. by -- by not doing the work. by not doing thework. you're telling me that the only source that the only way to fix things is incarcerating people? >> when you're talking and i'm listening to you, i resonate with what you are saying, like don't criminalize people. i also worry, though, in the context of an election against donald trump if we say, don't criminalize anybody, it may sound like we are saying just open the borders up. but can you explain why when people are saying, decriminalize the border, they are not actually saying just let everybody in? >> they're not just saying let

everybody in. we're telling you we're not saying that. because it's not about open borders. it's about fixing the immigration system. it's about comprehensive immigration reform. and getting rid of terrible laws like the laws enacted in 1996 that weaken due process, that expanded detention centers and the privatization of human -- of prisons. >> your character in some ways lives out your actual life story. what is that like to be playing somebody who, you know, winds up dealing with this deportation question. >> i think it was -- i think now that i've talked about it and it's out -- aband of course yesterday after i did a bunch of interviews i went home and i cried because it was so emotional for me. in a way it was empowering -- i was feeling empowered and energized. i think that's how i felt with orange is that, man we get to tell the story. and i'm so glad a show that opened the doors for me that i worked on seven years had the

guts to take it on. >> take it on. >> so abstract for people so i really appreciate you making it reel real for people. so many people love you on netflix. doept know this part of your story. we appreciate you very, very much [ applause ] >> she has a lot of guts. you can watch the seventh and final season on netflix right now. up next democrats scrutinizing president obama's legacy in an effort to criticize vice president biden. is that a smart strategy. i'm talking about that next with a leader who is both progressive and pragmatic. former governor de ville patrick. when we get back. [ applause ] and now with each new line, get one of our latest smartphones included. $40/line for four lines and smartphones are included for the whole family.

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[ applause ] ♪ i love the progressive policies that were once considered beyond the pale are now front and center of the democratic primary. you know medicare for all, criminal justice reform, the green new deal, universal basic income, you know, big problems need big solutions. and i love that we are talking about that stuff. and for that, by the way, don't just thank the politicians. thank the people movements black lives matter, the dreamers occupy wall street, the climate youth and the sunrise movements m. grass roots rebel rebellions making this party from the ground up. i love it. i love it.

[ applause ] inkts so quote spider-man's uncle ben with great power comes great responsibility and the main responsibility is to defeat donald trump. now some progressive ideas can help us. but worry that some might hurt us. for instance most americans want everybody who is sick to be able to see a doctor. and they even like the idea of having expanded government health care option. but getting rid of all private insurance completely? having only government-run health care? that's a tougher sell. how do we walk the line between solutions a drastic slogan that is might lead to to four more years of trump? that's a tough one. i recently spoke with a democratic party rock star who understands politics and people as well as anybody in our country. check out my conversation with former massachusetts governor deval patrick. [ applause ] >> oh, my goch wsh it's so good to see. >> you wonderful to see zbluz

you were at the debates. >> i was. >> you were watching both nights. you were going to run. people thought you might. then you you said on the facebook page you weren't going to run. do you regret now seeing in whole mess that you didn't run? >> my wife looks at itten a says i'm so glad you didn't get in there. no, look, fifl it's a humbling thing to think serious ily about something like that for maybe. maybe especially for a kid from the southside of chicago. i thought hard about it. we worked through it my wife and me. she was a reluctant but brilliant first lady. but she is a private person. and she -- but, you know she was ready. and then just before we thought we were going to step out she was diagnosed with -- with uterine cancer. she is fine, she is great. she sh surgery right before thanksgiving.

she is in terrific shape. but it brings your -- brings your feet right back down to the ground. >> what really matters. >> yeah. and then the truth of our politics today and see you sign up but everybody you love gets dragged along behind you, whether they want to go along or not. >> sitting there in the audience, though, did at any point you want to climb up on the stage and say look guys here is how to do it? did you feel any pull. >> i want to be clear. >> yeah. >> i think what we are -- there were moments when i wanted to say look, folks there is more than one way to kin the cat. nobody -- and no party has a corner on all the best ideas. so put your framework out there. and then take from others what they have. >> yes. >> listen to what others have to offer. but the main point is there is one party that believes everybody should have access to affordable high quality care and

another party that doesn't. that is the point. that is the choice. >> you know, you are close to obama. and obama was talking about that fear of the circular firing squad. >> yeah. >> that we can get into the obsession around small differences. did you see a little bit of that. >> there was a lot of that. >> a lot of that. >> but in a way it's unavoidable. it's kind of set up so that we are set off against each other. >> right. >> and we have to say, no, you know, my plan is good and not stop there. but we have to say your plan is bad. because it's not my plan. come on. >> yeah, yeah. >> what do you think about medicare for all? i mean that -- >> yeah. >> there was a time when that was completely off the table. now it seems to be the center of the debate. >> um-hum. >> again you're one of the few people had to do this in real time not a sound byte, speech, a proposal you made it happen. >> i think what you want is a system where there is lots and

lots of fruitful tension. meaning, you want innovation. you want medicare to get better because it's trying to compete with private plans. you want private plans to say wait a second, you know, how come they are drawing everybody in that direction? what do we need to do differently? i think that makes us all better. there is a tremendous amount of excess cost in the health care system. and so i think having other players and in particular a medicare or medicare type player -- a government organized familiar, widely available appear radically more affordable plan in the -- in the market raises everybody's game. and we'll satisfy where ee wher learn. >> i love the pragmaticism and heart you bring. you were like obama before obama. >> that's high praise. >> seriously. in the 2006 race you're an

african-american man. you were coming in some ways out of no where. like you said you weren't a politician. so much of what became the obama way, the biography is almost more important than ideology. the grass roots, including everybody. you set the template for what we call the politics of hope and change. how do you feel now, it seems we are moving away from that. it seems -- trump is a negative reaction against that. but even in the party the tone is different. >> i think it is -- i think the tone of our politics has gotten worse. but i don't think all that's happening is bad. i think the one truth that candidate trump spoke -- candidate trump spoke -- was that conventional or establishment politics wasn't working well enough for most people. it's a similar truth to senator

sanders spoke. it's the same thing president obama was saying before. many of us feel unheard and unseen. what i began to discover threw this grass roots effort philosophically was very much about the gesture of respect shown by going to people and meeting them where they are in every sense of the term. you know that, i know. i think that kind of politics has actually taken -- has real purchase even now. and many many people coming off the sidelines and getting involved. >> there is an irony though because now in the party it's the obama biden establishment that some people want to run against. you saw it at the debate. people were saying well, obama did too many deportations. the trade policy wasn't tough enough on china. so now you have, you know, the outside dynamic actually challenges the obama legacy. but obama is 98% popular. is it smart for our outsiders to take on obama? or is that just what happens as we move forward. >> i don't know.

>> you don't need to worry about it. >> look, you know, i think barack obama and the obama administration accomplished extraordinary things, particularly given the resolution made -- by the other side to stop him at all costs. >> that's right. >> and they made that decision because they recognize the power of the politics of hope and change. they recognized it. and they understood in a very sophisticated which -- in some ways better than we did that if they didn't shut that bad boy down then, it was going to be big big trouble for a long time. >> yeah. >> so i think, yeah, i'm disappointed by the tone today. but the level of engagement, the fact that people are engaged and paying attention i think is terrific. and frngly i think that has always contributed to the numbers of incredibly talented candidates. >> that's right. >> who stepped up. >> one of the things that is engaging people a lot is the politics of race on all sides.

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[ applause ] deval patrick, let's talk about the tough stuff, man. you have donald trump now who seems to have set his 2020 playbook on stoking some of these resentments, whether he's talking about the squad, talking about baltimore being a rat-infested, rodent-infested place. how do we deal with that? you're the first black governor of massachusetts. how do you deal with it personally every day and how should we be thinking about it as a country? >> first of all, i think that the president is behaving just as he's always behaved. it shouldn't surprise us. this is the president being himself. it's also not a new political

playbook, to drive division and discord as a way to get a political outcome. what is particularly troubling to me is the silence from the other side. but that's -- you know, the number of times throughout our history in this country that we have looked the other way, when there is some other agenda at work, is more than a couple. which is why i think, you know, if the character of the candidate is always the issue, this time it's the character of the country. right now it's the character of the country. and that is what i'm -- and i say this as a democrat who doesn't think you have to hate republicans to be a good democrat. >> that's right. >> that's what i want our candidates to address, because

i'm confident, and i want to believe, that if the question is about the character of the country, then the kindness of americans will come forward. now, i think that has to be also backed up by an agenda that doesn't imply, you know, we just have to, as they say, get rid of donald trump. because if you have nothing else to say, that implies we'll go back to doing what we used to do, and that isn't good enough. >> i worry about almost like a racial reconciliation fatigue. it seems to me now that there are a lot of white people, they're just tired of hearing about race. and there are a lot of african-americans and people of color who are tired of explaining race. we don't feel like we should have to explain it and they don't want to hear it. so that ain't gonna work.

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you're live in the "cnn newsroom." i'm ana cabrera in new york. thank you for being here. tonight, a troubling memo and a little bit of mystery. union works in pittsburgh were given a choice for a visit by president trump. show up if you want to get paid or burn one of your vacation days and by the way, if you're not there, you're not eligible for overtime. cnn obtained the memo that was sent to some shell union workers at the beaver creek plant in pennsylvania. it includes these words. no yellowing, shouting, protesting, or anything viewed as resistance