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story at the right time in the right place. and out comes this amazing combination of cinematic virility and absolute fear. it's like watching an animal. >> i think "raging bull" is a great title. and the film fulfills the promise. the reality of the boxing and the great slow motion, all of the black and white gore, the violence of the flush bulbs going off. when he designed the movie, marty purposefully -- he didn't put a clutch on the film. there's no clutch. >> hey, ray, you never went down, ray. you never got me down, ray. >> "raging bull" is a boxing movie for people who don't like boxing movies because it's really not about that. it's about this man who was based on a real person who is really at war with himself. >> come on. harder. harder. >> i didn't really understand boxing, but the character was interesting.
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he was just so contrare as they say. he was just so difficult. >> what are you trying to prove? what does it prove? >> bob de niro, he is not afraid of the negative characters, he's not afraid to go to, as i say, those places. >> i was down to 152. in my prime. and then i went up to 212. so i gained 60 pounds. that's not easy, though. the first 15 pounds is fun, then it's drudgery. >> go get 'em, champ. >> it's absolutely true that the movies of 1980 look like movies of the 1970s. very personal, very passionate filmmaking rules. and then you had ordinary people which was the movie that defeated "raging bull" for best picture in 1980. >> do it. >> this incredibly precise and
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very emotional study of a family in deep crisis. >> calvin, give me the camera. >> i didn't get it yet, bev. >> dad, give her the camera. >> i want a really good picture of the two of you. >> but i really want to get a shot of the three of you men. give me the camera, kelvin, please. >> not until i get a picture of the two of you. hang on a second. >> give her the god damn camera. >> "ordinary people" centers on people who cannot get in touch with their feelings and who avoid the darker underpinnings. so, i decided i would like to tell a story about what people would do to avoid being seen for who they really are. i gave mary tyler moore the script. i said, look, i could see you playing this. she was drawn to it. and that really hit me because that told me that there is some part of herself that she was willing to expose that had been not exposed before and she wanted that chance. and so she was given that chance. and she did a great job. >> kelvin? >> in that moment where mary tyler moore comes downstairs and she asks her husband what's wrong.
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>> i don't know if i love you anymore. >> she goes upstairs and she's just -- there's something so moving to me about somebody who is so deeply repressed cracking open. >> that's where the dam breaks. she gets hit by some truth that she can't articulate. she's so taken aback, she can't adjust, she can't take it in. that's what that moment was about. >> then you look at some of these films of the 1980s like "ordinary people" and like "blue velvet." those films are explicitly about how things look are not the way they really are. you have to understand this was when ronald reagan became president. and the idea was that after all sorts of traumas, particularly watergate and vietnam, we healed. but as the public pronouncement is, we're good again, our movies are telling us no we're not.
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no, we are not. >> wendy, i'm home. >> i play this game. all your favorite filmmakers alive or dead were opening a movie on the same day, which movie would you see first? and for me it would be stanley cooper because you're going to see something you never saw before. and he did that in -- think about it -- every genre. if he's going to make a horror movie, it's going to be the horror movie done in a way that you would not expect. >> mom. >> it was as if i had been in the overlook hotel for two and a half hours. he creates a pacing where it over takes the way you're breathing and the way you're in there. in all his films, he controls
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you. >> you get so hypnotized being behind that tricycle. you don't even see his face. you're behind it which leads to one of the scariest shots in the movie. >> hello, danny. >> hello, danny. come and play with us. fantastic. >> was betting $40 million on its new movie "heaven's gate," but after two years of preparation and eight months of production, the motion picture has been yanked from american theaters after only one day. >> "heaven's gate" took almost a year to complete. director michael whose "deer hunter" film was a great success got a free hand. his producer said he was out of control. the result, a three and a half hour bomb. >> "heaven's gate" is a stake
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through the heart of hollywood. it's the cautionary tale that's all about to say, no, no, the studio's going to step in here and this is not going to be another "heaven's gate" and that's how you get the movies of the 1980s. ♪ >> you knew where you were when you first saw "the empire strikes back" because it was the "star wars" movie that took the whole thing to a whole other level. "star wars" was huge but "empire strikes back" was phenomenal. these established characters, you saw them intermix in a way that you hadn't in the previous film. >> i love you. >> i know. >> luke is transitioning into wanting to become a jedi knight. >> i saw that as this is the good act because in classical dramatic philosophy, you set the thing up in the first act.
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in the second act, your heroes are put in a position that is unresolvable. they're put in enormous jeopardy. you don't know how it's going to work out. and that is always the most interesting part of the story to tell. >> obi-wan never told you what happened to your father. >> he told me enough. he told me you killed him. >> when we actually started work, it was just me and george in the office, and george says to me, you know, darth vader is luke's father. >> i am your father. >> no shit! >> no! >> and it was about fathers and sons, about good and evil personified. >> it is your destiny. >> i thought that made the whole saga better instantly. ♪ this is hal.
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four of the biggest. money-making films of recent times have come from two young gifted filmmakers, george lucas and steven spielberg. they're friends as well, so it was inevitable that these two would join talents and they now have an adventure film to be released this week. >> george says, i have something called "raiders of the lost ark." it's just an idea i have for a movie.
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he told me about the story about this sort of archaeologist adventerer with the hat and the whip and i exit hadded to the movie based on one line george told me. larry, george and i sat around for three days and basically made up the story from beginning to end. >> there's a line in "raiders" that means a lot to me. in the beginning of an action sequence, they've lost control of the ark of the covenant and indy says, no, i'm going to get it back. and his friend says, how are you going to do it? >> i don't know. i'm making this up as i go. >> that, to me, was what life was like. we just make it up as we go. indiana jones is very good at that. >> we came up with an idea, like a truck chase. and then we figured, well, how do we get the truck chase in the movie? so we had these big kind of subjects, and then we kind of reverse engineered in order for it to earn its place in the story.
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>> spielberg is a master of staging. even when they're moving very fast and cutting very quickly, you always know the lay of the land. >> he can create suspense out of details big and small. there's always the action that the audience can see but the characters can't see. so the audience is aware that not only is indi maybe going to get beaten to death by this enormous nazi, but also, the whole thing might blow up. >> you wonder why your blood gets up when you watch them. it's craftsmanship and art. ♪ >> everybody in this town is talking about steven spielberg's latest film, "et." i was there at 12:00 noon today and there were literally thousands of people in the street waiting to get in. >> the wait is hours long in chicago, days long in los angeles.
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>> "et" has become the movie industry's biggest money maker ever. >> i had this story i was going to write about how the divorce between my mom and dad affected me and my three sisters, and so i combined that with one about an alien who himself is divorced from his own species and is lost 3 million light years from home. >> i don't like his feet. >> can you imagine if that film didn't have those kids, every one of them, henry thomas, drew barrymore, robert macnaughton? that's the secret sauce to that movie. >> i just want to say good-bye. >> all the kids had fallen in love with et, and i like to think that et had fallen in love with all of them. and that good-bye scene was genuine. those tears were real. >> be good. >> yes. >> steven spielberg movies, they're big blockbusters, but they are personal stories. they are small stories told
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against a giant canvas. >> they're here. >> in the 1980s, i really felt that i was speaking to myself. loving escapism. >> "poltergeist" was about all the things that scared me. i had a tree out my window as a kid. it used to scare the hell out of me. so what happens in "poltergeist?" the tree comes into the house and grabs the kid. i made stories about kids on one final adventure, "the goonies" going on an adventure to save their parents' homes, gremlins tearing up the things. just loving stories that were bizarre. >> everybody has dreams or thoughts, fantasies of going back in time somewhere. and bob zi put it together for the modern age.
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>> you're telling me that you built a time machine out of a delorean? >> the way i see it, if you're going to build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style? >> it's a mystery it was as big a hit as it was when it came out, but what the real mystery is that it's endured for decades. >> saturday night we're sending you back to the future. >> a simple idea which is what would it be like to see your parents when they were younger is something that obviously is multigenerational. >> jeez, you smoke, too? >> you're beginning to sound just like my mother. >> the only thing that was weird about the story, it's a boy going back in time and meeting his mother and she falls in love with the son she hasn't yet had. that was pretty kinky for me. >> that's a big bruise you have there. but they pulled it off. >> i was exhausted at the end of "back to the future" and then he makes "who framed roger rabbit." it's like he took "back to the
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future" and tripled it. >> you're under arrest. >> there's a scene where donald duck and daffy duck are having a piano duel. at the same time penguins are serving drinks. and if you look at the making of that individual scene, it's utter, complete, total chaos. there's real actors pretending to be drinking. there's trays moving around on these iron rods. >> that was a hard movie. that's a sort of ignorance is bliss category that that movie should fall into because that's a movie that no sane person would ever attempt to make. >> i love playing villains. i was a kid when the first walt disney films came out, there are dark moments in each of those that scare the hell out of me. so, it's pay back. >> remember me, eddie? when i killed your brother, i talked. just like this!
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>> i got some moments in there that will be in their worst nightmares for the rest of their lives. >> the trick to making that blend of live action animation is that the live action actor has to believe it. bob always believed that the rabbit was there. it really is an amazing performance. i mean, it's really one that actors should study. >> because it was made before a lot of cgi existed, it was old-school movie-making with physical special effects. "who framed roger rabbit" is the most complicated movie ever made. >> don't tell me you lost your sense of humor already. >> does this answer your question? ♪ a run to the left side, no foul given, morgan running... looking for one hundred. ♪ [ kids screaming ]
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even though the 1980s is often viewed as sort of an upbeat era, it's the period when the united states came out of the doldrums of the '70s. there was that underlying fear that could collapse at some point. you see that playing out in this postapocalyptic subgenre of action films. >> two days ago i saw a vehicle
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that would haul that tanker. do you want to get out of here? you talk to me. >> george miller's movies do an amazing trick of making dystopia look beautiful in a terrifying way. you know, you watch "the road warrior" and thinking, like, i'd love to go there. i think i would die within five minutes. >> it's the idea of this one man who regains his humanity when he loses everything. but then there's the filmmaking craft. to see those stunts just play out in long shots, just absolutely incredible and visceral. >> it's so in your face. it's almost like a heavy metal rock 'n' roll movie. ♪ >> "brazil" is one of these futures that seem all too likely to come to past. it's a future where things don't work, where the bureaucracy is ossified.
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it's a future that feels like if things don't get better, we're going to end up there. >> dammit, lorrie, the personnel carrier is still unaccounted for. what the hell is this mess? an empty desk is an efficient desk. >> terry gilliam's visibility sensibility is so distinctive, there was an audacity to that movie that you rarely see. >> it arouses very strong reactions from people. i think that's what cinema should be about. it's exciting. it's stimulating. it makes us think. i'm quite happy to have a film that does that. >> smart filmmakers can use genre as a trojan horse to talk about other things. ♪ >> "blade runner" is based on phillip cade dick's novel, and the essential question of the film itself is can humans fall
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in love with nonhumans. can you fall in love with an android? >> she doesn't know. >> commerce is our goal here at tyrell. more human than human is our motto. the screenplay was fascinating. it told a very different story. it was written and described well. so, you could smell the movie. >> i don't think there's any director who can encode content into the visual presence like really can. so, when you see the street markers, it tells you that in the future, technology runs cross-class. that populations are tremendously mixed. there's overcrowding. there's poverty. he's projecting so much content into those images. and you just soak it in. >> i was constantly beaten up every day. why is it raining? why do you want it to be at night? i said because that's the way i [ bleep ] want it. >> harrison ford thought that his character was a human being
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and ridley scott was planting clues in the movie that he was actually a replicant with memories. the point of leaving the unicorn on the floor when he walks out, stops, picks it up, he nods. that nod is an assent. this is correct. somebody knows about my most private dream which is about unicorn. >> james cameron's alien is perfect. it builds upon the first one, but then makes it into a different genre. >> that's inside the room. >> it's right, man, look. >> you're not reading it right. >> five meters, man.
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four. what the hell? >> jim is a real innovator and artist. i did one. he did two. it's hard to do two because you've shown him the alien, so i'm going more military. you feel like james cameron doesn't get enough credit as a screenwriter as well. >> "aliens" is a template of how to write a great blockbuster. >> my mommy always said there were no monsters, no real ones, but there are. >> yes, there are, aren't there? >> back in those days, women weren't really permitted to be strong. so, sigourney really broke the mold in the "aliens" movies and one way she was as tough as she was was because she was protecting newt, her adopted
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child. >> there's real skill to building the perfect roller coaster. "alien" is example number one of how brilliant action cinema can be. >> get away from her you bitch! who's dog is this? it's my special friend, antonio. his luxurious fur calms my nerves when i'm worried about moving into our new apartment. why don't we just ask geico for help with renters insurance? i didn't know geico helps with renters insurance. yeah, and we could save a bunch too. antonio! fetch computer! antonio? i'll get it. get to know geico and see how much you could save on renters insurance. ♪
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♪ >> we're attracted to each other at the party. that was obvious. you're on your own for the night. that's also obvious. two adults. ♪ let's get the ec which. >> "fatal attraction" was like the cautionary tale. the cheating husband and the mistret turns out to be insane and steals bunnies and boils them. >> glenn close is tied to this film. she's an incredible actress. >> what am i supposed to do?
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you won't answer my calls. >> audience sympathies were more evenly balanced between the male character and the female character. but with each iteration, they made her such an extreme character. the original ending was that she was supposed to cut her own throat. but that did not satisfy test audiences. so, they had the good wife kill the bad single woman. that's hollywood. >> thank you, sir. i'm happy to be working here. >> well, you're a welcome addition, a damn pretty one. >> thank you, sir. >> i mean that. you should see some of the crohn's that have been coming through here. >> 9 to 5 was a me too movie before the me too movement. it was this idea of women coming together and being like yes, my
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life has been ruined by egotistic egotistical bigoted men who are trying to hold me back. >> this is when were going into the work force, but they were the secretaries. they were the subservient roles. they weren't the boss of the company. >> it's all right. i'll get it. >> what about you? what's your fantasy for doing him in? >> me? well, i think i'd like to just come riding up one day and give him a taste of his own medicine. >> i loved their female comradery. and i loved dolly par tton in tt movie. she's like liquid goal. >> look, i've got a gun out there in my purse. and up to now i've been forgiving and forgetting because of the way i was brought up. but i tell you one thing if you ever say another word about me or make another indecent proposal, i'm going to get the gun of mine and change you from a roost tore a hen in one shot.
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>> they realize nothing is going to change unless we change it. >> they string him up, that male chauvinist inappropriate guy. it was an important movie then and now. >> not since the hollywood network has the indictment of broadcast news. the perfect modern actor is played by william hurt. so, how is it that the star of this movie is neither the anchor man nor the network correspondent but an actress you will not have seen until now. >> why are we going in angola? please, bobby. we're pushing. >> it was the first time i had seen on screen a real female because she was flawed and she was allowed to be human and different and irascible. >> difficult, shrill, bossy,
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possibly bitch. there are a lot of words that people use that are pa jor tif to women that jane could inhabit. >> what i love is her character, just tears streams down her face and then her controlling it like that and getting it together and going forward. >> i'm really struck by the courage that jim brooks showed in writing a character like that. >> it must be nice to always believe you know better, to always think you're the smartest person in the room. >> no, it's awful. >> the fact that that movie exists and always will is a gift. >> wait a minute. wait, wait, wait a minute. >> i'm new in town. i wondered if you wouldn't mind buying me lunch. >> gregory. >> george, george, george, george. >> your favorite client. >> how are you?
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>> last time you got me a job was a tomato. >> no, no, no. >> swear to god. >> michael. >> yeah? >> oh, god, i begged you to get therapy. >> it's an updating of the guy in the dress. you're taking a believable character and putting him in a fantastic situation. and yet the reason it works is because every single thing in that movie could really happen. we show you at the beginning. he's a great actor. he happens to be a pain in the ass. and then to prove to his agent that he can get work, he puts on the dress. >> it's almost like a play that's been performed enough so that they knew where the gems were. >> seriously don't you find being a woman in the '80s complicated? >> extremely. >> one of the hardest things to do in a comedy is have a comedy climax and have all the story threads come together at the same moment. >> i am not emily kimberly, the daughter of dwayne and alma
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kimberly. no, i'm not. i'm edward kimberly, the reckless brother of my sister anthony. >> the climactic scene in "toot si" is the main story plot where four or five subplots climax and turn on that one action. >> "tootsie" is what so many want films to be. very few filmmakers invest the time and sweat to go all the way. >> that is one nutty hospital. [baby cooing on baby monitor] psst.... it's 8 pm on a saturday. we gotta go, the guys are waiting. here. old spice. shhhh.
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one of the really great films of the '80s is "the verdict," beautifully told my master director sidney lament. paul niemann plays a washed up lawyer who is an alcoholic kind of ambulance chaser. what makes it uniquely lament is that even when it's movie stars, big movie stars, he manages to bring them down in the case of "the verdict" to the boston streets. and you can see the stars in the movie, but they have not turned the movie into something glamorous, but on the opposite have entered the drudge and reality of the world that lament's painting.
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>> god, i never should have taken it. there was no way i could win. >> here, niemann shows you what he's really made of as an actor. >> i think you guys are making a big mistake. you should reconsider, get the principles back together again. >> to sea the scene where he's calling the insurance company to rekindle the deal he turned down. >> okay. no, no. i understand. >> it's really one of the greatest pieces of acting i've ever seen in my life is that phone call. no cuts. lament just goes okay. here we go. >> so, how's your wife? >> great. how's yours? >> not so great. >> oh, we're telling truths. >> "the big chill" is about these kids who were in college together in the late '60s and are now no longer antiestablishment but are now part of the establishment and trying to reconcile that history with their present. >> movies aren't being made for adults. that's all "the big chill" is,
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it's an adult pifilm. i wanted to make a movie about something i was seeing with my friends. ♪ >> i remember when it first came, i thought this would be for this generation, the children of the '60s this would be very relevant. then i would meet kids who were in high school ten years after the movie came out said i love that movie. it's about friendship. it's also about growing up. there's something in its essence that is timeless and universal. >> i'm marrying tomorrow. i think if this is your attitude, you shouldn't bother showing up at my wedding. >> that's -- that's right. >> and i think you're right. >> the hypocrisy was bothering
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me too. >> "terms of endearment" based on a book adapted and directed by james l. brooks, it made you cry. it made you laugh. it was the stuff of life. sherley plays aurora, gets involved with an astronaut played by jack nicholson. >> fly me to the moon! >> they just had this incredible comic chemistry. >> it's not my fault, but i'm sorry. >> if you wanted to get me on my back, you just had to ask me. >> "terms of endearment" may be the first dramedy. it's a word we hear all the time, a movie that's funny and tragic at the same time. >> time for her shot. all she had to do was hold on until 10:00. she's in pain! get her the shot! do you understand! give my daughter the shot!
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thank you very much. >> james brooks was able to take humor, tragedy, the best writing, delivered beautifully by actors that cared so much. it felt like life. it felt human. it felt funny. >> the winner is "terms of endearment." >> jim was into the delicate shades of humanity before it was cool. >> oh, well, that was a long time ago. people have changed. >> what are you up? i hope you have changed. >> yeah. >> i hope you have for your sake and yours. >> yeah, i'm sure. >> you left something to be desired, namely your personality. >> you look atwo woody's career. you think how can he go on. there's purple rose of kcairo. by the time you get to "crimes
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and misdemeanors" he's expanded. it's got humor and satire, but he's not trying to get a laugh every second. >> it's a wonderful moral conundrum from an original standpoint. i think that's why it holds up. >> you told me over and over again you would leave mary. >> "crimes and misdemeanors" is two stories. one is a woody allen joke fest and the other one which is a serious examination of literal life and death themes. >> the guy is having an affair, and she's threatening to tell his wife and threatening to disrupt his world. so, he has a hitman kill her. >> he realized i had a woman killed and i thought i was going
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to go to hell and nothing happened. whereas woody is constantly getting shit on by life and is doing the right thing. >> you look very deep in thought. >> i was planning the perfect murder. >> his writing is very strong for that reason. it always >> i'm talking about reality. i mean if you want a happy ending you should go see a hollywood movie. >> you realize, of course, we can never be friends. >> why not? >> what i'm saying is, and this is not a come on in any way, shape or form is that men and women can't be friends because the sex part always gets in the way. >> norra effron wrote. >> every scene has to be good. you work and work and work. you torture yourself in writing
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the script. >> i know norra and i pitch this idea for a film about the dance that people go through to get together after they've both gotten out of long-term relationships and they become friends and does sex come into the picture, and if it does, is it friendship? >> most and women at one time or another have done it, so you do the math. >> you don't think i can tell the difference? >> no. >> you get out of here. >> when we first did it meg rightfully was a little nervous about it. you've got crew members, extras standing around. >> are you okay? >> oh. >> rob says here's what i want, and she perceives to have an
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the movie theater. you have dated older guys, you work at the best food stand in the mall and you are a close personal friend of mine. >> there was so much reality in the script of fast times. the way that cameron wrote fast times is that he went back to high school. >> i never graduated traditionally. i learned so much. the pop culture establishment, they don't know what's happening with kids right now. >> stacey, what are you waiting for, you're 15 years old. >> i did it when i was 13. it's no huge thing. it's just sex. >> these kids are having a super short adolescence. they're having sex years before you know they're having sex and they're all working. it's fast food, it's fast adolescence. it's all disposable, and what
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are we doing to a generation that has to be adult at a younger and younger age? >> there are so many incredible people in the movie, a lot of careers get launched. everyone walks out of the theat theater. >> if it's written in the script it's like fiction and he turned into awesome, gnarly, all the other classic words of the '80s. >> what for? >> you need money. >> all i need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and i'm fine. >> tell you a couple of things about myself. 19 and overseas for a couple of semesters, i'm an athlete so i
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really drink. i can see by your face no, my point is you can relax because your daughter will be with me for the six seven or eight hours, sir. >> here's a story about being an optimist and how that can sometimes be a revolutionary act. rebellion takes many different forms and sometimes the rebellion takes the form of loving the woman that they say you can't love, and you makes your lives goal her. >> watch out for that glass. >> thanks. >> if moments makes movies as they say, it's the moment when lloyd daubler holds the boom box and plays peter gabriel to try and woo diane. >> we had a hard time with the boom box. we try it a couple of different ways. there was one version we did where the boom box is on the car playing it, not as good. we finished the last shot of the
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last day of "say anything" with just only a little light in the sky left. the light is disappearing, the shot is moving in on kusack and is i see it through the camera, the pain, the glory, the adolescence, all of it was there in his face. we got lucky. >> it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses. hit it. >> the '80s was an incubator for new voices, new visionaries, new ideas. >> it's like the cultural hand grenade. someone set it off. >> you're looking at a higher rank corporal. you'll obey and you'll like it. >> people had no idea there were black soldiers fighting the union. >> i remember thinking how does this grownup know everything about all of us.
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