they finally got that decision and now we await this decision. >> absolutely. thank you. i really appreciate it. we'll see what the commissioner has to say shortly. thank you all so much for joining me. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. >> thank you. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day us with. breaking news, new york's police commissioner plans to announce the fate of the police officer involved in the choke hold death of eric garner. we'll bring that you event live. plus a massachusetts primary drama. joe kennedy moves to challenge incumbent democrat ed marky looking to follow his grandfather and two grand ufrpg lz to the united states senate. and update in mfinancial market. an effort to spur europe's economy as team trump makes two arguments at once. there won't be a recession, they

say. if there is, blame the fed, not the president. >> our interest rates are high compared to other countries. there is a bank in europe making mortgage loans with negative interest rates, paying borrowers to borrow money to buy a house. yet the u.s. is paying a positive interest rate. what is wrong with this picture? i very much hope that chairman powell goes ford and does lower the rate this next time around. >> back to the economy in a few minutes. we begin the hour with an important moment in the 2020 race for the democratic nomination. an apology from the democratic candidate better known for policy plans. elizabeth war tone day, she came to promote a plan to help a group of americans long ignored ja and underserved.

but this is about more than that. >> i want to say this, like anyone who's been honest with themselves, i know that i have made mistakes. i am sorry for harm i have caused. i have listened and i have learned a lot. and i am grateful for the many conversations that we have had together. it is a great honor to be able to partner with indian country. and that's what i've tried to do as a senator. and that's what i promise i will do as president of the united states. of america. . >> proof right there. her campaign sees the test for senator warren and the campaign biography she hopes will help her win the democratic nomination and then the white house. she insists she received no advantage but as an aspiring law professor, she was of native-american heritage. she took a dna test to prove it

and then apologized to native-american groups that took offense. warren's rise in the democratic race is very real. as is the debate in the party about whether she can win a general election. a lot of that debate is the challenge of selling a very liberal policy agenda in swing states. a piece of it is whether she can survive a trump character onslaught. here to share the report is malia henderson, rachael and jackie with the daily beast. it's not every day that candidates apologize. the question is, is that enough? she apologized to the native-american community. she apologized for hurting them. she says she gets it. i don't suspect that is going to get the president to back off. the question is, do voters at some point say, okay, she's acknowledged mistakes although i'm not sure which mistakes she was acknowledging. >> in some ways i think

elizabeth warren damaged her place when she took the dna. a lot of voters took "fence around this in addition to native-americans, obviously. voters didn't really like that she took the dna test because it was a misunderstanding of what tribal identity and tribal community is all about. so we'll see. you see her rising in the polls. you see bernie sanders. they play in the same sand box in terms of those voters. but this is a necessary move. she is going to keep having to do that. whether or not it makes any difference. actually not whether or not it makes any difference with donald trump, it won't make any difference. >> it seemed wishful when he said i should have, you know, maybe we started this too early. i can bring it back. >> let's listen to that. but that to me told me, number one, the president did do damage to her by making an issue. number two, to her credit, she has fought back and she is the growth stock, if you will, of

the democratic race. nobody votes for five months. but she's the growth stock. and the president sounded regretful but also proof that he's noticed her polls are better. >> i did the pocahantas thing. i hit her really hard. and it looked like she was down-and-out. but that was too long ago. i should have waited. but don't worry, we will revive it. it can be revived. it can be revived. right? it will be revived. and it can be revived very easily and very quickly and we're going to have some fun in the state of new hampshire. >> now that's the president there talking about a potential trump-warren matchup. it's more than that also. sneeze iowa today. she is rising in the polls in iowa. a lot of democrats say i like her policies. can she beat trump? you have a policy and then the character conversation. the president is in new

hampshire hampshire. if warren goes home and she is home for her neighborhood and can win there, that's the trajectory she wants in the race. the president is up there in new hampshire essentially telling democrats as well as republicans, you should think about. this. >> yeah. i think trump is going to continue to double down on this pocahantas thing. the best she can see in the future is this only, you know, resonates with his base. it doesn't affect all those voters she needs to reach in order to win the primary. today she went in to this speech, two native-americans doing her home work. she not only apologized, but she had a 9,000-word policy proposal about how to help the american tribes. things she would do as president. that is the most expensive proposal they saw any hopeful actually put forward. she is taking the steps she needs to put this behind her. >> i think when you talk about the democratic primary, it depends on what voters are talking about. when you see the people

supporting joe biden, they want to right the ship. they want the country to cool down, maybe pull away from some of the chaos that the trump administration has injected into the atmosphere and where warren's policies tend to be more radical to these left of center voters. and when you look at the makeup of the current congress, the reason the house went back to the democrats wasn't because of the progressives. it is because of the moderate democrats that were from districts that trump won and, you know, that may have flipped. so that is what i think party leaders are looking at. that's what's making them nervous about elizabeth warren. she does have all of the policy proposals. that definitely would mean a drastic change. >> and the question as she rises to the democratic field or any of the democrats going to bring this up? say, you know what? she has said these things in the past that are open to criticism about who she was. she promoted this. and is what she has done in the past a liability if she is our

nominee? senator warren trying to makt ca make the case to your point apologizing for what she did in the past. trying to make the case she has big plans for the future. >> the federal government history with our tribal nations has been one of broken promises. we need to make change. we need to honor our trust and treaty obligations. we're not going to do that with one little statute over here and a couple changes in regulations over there. it's going to take big structural change. >> can she convince enough democrats that's the way to go. and, b, again, that you can sell not only that, trump is going to say socialist and pocahantas. >> that's the big question for her, right? medicare for all. she signed up with bernie on that. and that is the fight that democrats want to take to her. this idea that it's too much as

you say, jackie, you know, it's too much too far for the left for the country. i think the problem that the democrats have is moderate democrats is she is a very effective politician. she knows policy. she's got passion. she can explain that policy very fwhl well. we see that on the debate stage. she is the best debater of this field. all the democrats that want to make this argument, this far left agenda isn't where the party is. tnt where the country should be. they have a real foremidable challenger. >> you see the republicans coming after the republican national committee today with talking points. they're coming after the president. they say it's just fun and some ways they say it's easy. i would argue no. they see her as a threat too. they're trying to -- >> that's right. >> they're trying to test their own message. >> they're worried about that. the question is now she's taking down, at the beginning, every candidate slips. every candidate makes mistakes. every candidate does one thing

they thought was right on monday and a week or month or two months later you realize maybe not. they're taking that down. the question is, does her campaign at a time when they're rising, do they get it? are they going to -- what are they going to do to try to make this okay, maybe that was a misstep? forget about it. >> i think today we saw her say, you know what? like anybody who made mistakes, i regret this. i think she's actually pretty savvy to bring it up to address it. but then also move on and say i have this idea and that idea and think ahead of everyone else on policy matters. that way when a personal attack comes, yes, i'm sorry. the president is going to revive the pocahantas stuff with her and i think that there are definitely voters who don't want to listen to him make fun of anybody all the time. it will be -- it will be too much for them. but it just remains to be seen. >> that's a great point too. in the primary, she can ask forgive me. it works to a degree.

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the strtrump administration says the economy is doing great. the president is alarmed about recession warnings though he suggests they're being manufactured by his critics. the public line though is ignore any talk of an election year stall. >> i don't see a recession. the world is in a recession right now. i don't think we're having a recession. we're doing tremendously well. our consumers are rich. i gave a tremendous tax cut. and they're loaded up with money. they're buying. i saw the walmart numbers. they were through the roof two days ago. that is better than any poll. that's better than any economy. >> you see the dow. there is the big board. 261 plus there for the dow. a lot of economists are growing worried. many believe that a recession will begin in 2021. that is up nine points. 38% say they believe we will enter recession next year which

could spell disaster for the president's re-election strategy. the president we talk about this is interesting. he says we're in a global recession not the united states. well, if the global economy slows down dramatically, you united states could very well get sucked into a recession or a slowdown. number two, he remotes tax cuts which did stimulate the economy. most of that juice is out of the system, right? >> that's right. the tax cuts did a great job to stimulate the economy in 2018. that is now waning, even without all the problems from trade and so on, you've seen the economy slow from 3% to 2%. and to be honest, that's what most economists think is the most likely scenario. you talk about something that is normally a low risk like 10%. now it is around 30%. still not your base case but definitely too high for comfort. >> i want to bring in the

conversation. kelly ann conw kellyanne conway says the question of this is being ginned up by people that had another argument. >> the mainstream media is covering the economy. they only cover it when they can use sesame's word of the day, recession. the fundamentals are very strong. i think what changed is the 2 1/2 years of the collusion hunt and mueller report were a big dud. now they're searching around and they're trying to -- they're trying to borough into the president's number one issue in the polls. >> we cover the economy a lot around here. grover's word for the day is wrong. but there are some of the president's -- this are some of the president's political critics who now are saying, you know, well, you know, we got to get rid of him. if we have it suffer through a recession for it. i hope be in at this table never says that. recession that means the value of your house goes down. the economy is growing for ten years. for ten years. so whether it's president trump, forget the president's name, the president that this moment in

time was likely to deal with either recession or a near recession just because of the arc of the economy. >> he was handed a pretty good economy. i mean, i know a lot of the supporters didn't necessarily believe it. that they didn't want to give obama credit for anything. but i think unemployment numbers were 4.7% or something. he took over. so maybe there is some kind of slow down. i think the question, is does it matter to supporters? how do they feel about the economy? do they blame him? do they blame him for anything bad or can they sort of gin up some other reason to maintain what is a real attachment to this president. >> the president does have a reason to be worried about this. because his re-election hopes are so tainted. even the supporters who have kind of light support of him who don't really like him and like the things he says and policies, they cite the economy as a reason that the president is doing a good job. if that falls off, he loses that. and so we already know who he's going to blame.

he is telling egraphing that. the media and democrats for not being positive about the economy. so we have that already all set up should this -- having nothing to do with tariffs and how -- and just how the economy is going. >> i would also say that while kelly ann won way is right, there are critics cheering for a recession. they think it will hurt the president, a recession is not a done deal. the people that can affect wlorn the we havehether or not we hav recession is fed chairman powell who doesn't want a recession and moving rapidly to avoid that and trump himself. the single biggest risk is trade policy. >> will he take a deal short of what he wants for his political gain in 20 -- you know, in 2020? or will he affirm? peter navarro was in here. of he said the president is not going tie a fake deal. the question is, did the political's adviser as we watch, look, we'll watch the

unemployment rate and growth and the fed in the coming weeks decides to cut interest rates which are already historically low whether it agrees to cut them again. whether it is pressure from the president or the economic data they see. you watch other things too. the university of michigan has a consumer se consumer sentme consumer sentment which went down. if the people at home feel good, they get bouied. there is also this so-called rv index. if you put the numbers up, a lot of people watch this. sales of recreational vehicles and the impact on the economy. you look at the numbers right there. and they are down which again is a sign that in the heartland there are people getting worried about making a big purchase. >> yeah. i mean, i just think that the blaming, you know, the immedime a dangerous tactic for those that rely on farmers and manufacturers when it led to the last recession.

people stopped buying the big ticket items. as that has been slowing for the past six months or so where i'm from. so i can only imagine that back where i'm from and in manufacturing communities across the country when they see the president saying i don't see a recession, i don't sigh' recession, people who took a really long time to recover from the last one are not going to take kindly to that when they see the leader of their country saying i don't see it. i think people are losing hours of their day at work and being taken on the line. >> there is a risk if you have the no, we're great, never stronger. even if the economy doesn't dip in a recession, it seems your president and team are out of touch, the last one was devastating one. >> light. >> the last one was a devastating one. the last one, george h.w. bush had a mild recession. his team did everything they could first to avoid it. and then to make it as quickly as possible and he still lost. >> yes. i think that if you actually look like recessions are

complicated. you can never say it was this one thing that caused that recession. it is usually many things. there's a good chance we would have made it through 2001 if the tech bubble didn't collapse or if 9/11 didn't happen. we may look back and say we would have avoided recession in 2019, 2020 but for all the problems in the world today. and here i think you have a big mig tas that the add manition is making. peter navarro said we need them to hurt china not us. we're in a globalized economy and when you hear china, that hurts germany and that hurts us. so there needs to be kind of a rethinking that they want to get out of this difficult situation at the global economy is in. >> right. you have the brexit conversations on the table as well. another domino that could affect the things that are beyond the control of the united states. we'll continue to track. next, president trump backtracking on gun background checks and see a live picture from new york. new york's police commissioner in a few moments to announce the fate of the officer held responsible for the choke hold death of eric garner.

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straight to new york. >> it is it a decision that requires pairness for mr. garner who died following that encounter with police. there is also a decision that requires fairness and impartial alt for officer pantaleo who was sent by this department to assess a situation and take appropriate police action. first, i will discuss how i reached my decision and then i will answer any questions you have on the topic.

for some time prior to july 17th, 2014, neighborhood residents purposely avoided the area and indirectly around thompkinsville park and staten island. the conditions that time arose from an array of criminal activity. drug dealers worked at the edges of the park, worked the edges of the park and across the street selling narcotics handful of cigarettes made cheaper by the fact that new york state taxes had not been paid on them. a liquor store nearby sold alcohol to people that would drink the alcohol in the park. people would sometimes use drugs, urinate and pass out on benches there. that summer the week before that tl had been reports of death and two robberies in the park. there were 911, 311 and other complaints from residents on an on going basis. in some cases, warnings and summons were issued and other cases arrestses were made. and that was the situation at tompkinsville park on the day officer ponlt lant l pant lay y.

mr. garner refused to provide identification. for several minutes on that widely viewed i have yoe, mr. garner makes it clear that he will not go willingly with the police officers. he refused to cooperate with the arrest and comply with lawful orders. the video makes clear that officer panteleo's efforts were correct. pa mr. pantaleo attempted to use handcuffs. he raised his hands while telling officers not to touch

him. mr. pantaleo wrapped his arms around his body. in this rapidly involving situation, there is nothing to suggest that he attempted to place him in a choke hold. but what happened next is the matter we must address. the two men stumbled backwards towards the large plate grass window at the officer pant lay yoe's back made contact with the glass causing the window to visibly buckle and warp. the person videotaping later received at the nypd trial that he thought both men would crash through the glass. at that point in the video that officer pantaleo with his arms clamped together and his arms in a neck in which constitutes a choke hold. nypd court ruled that while certainly not preferable that, hold was acceptable during that brief moment in time because the risk of falling through the window was so high. but that circumstance no longer

existed, the court found, when officer pantaleo and mr. garner moved to the ground. as mr. garner balanced himself on the sidewalk on his hands and knees, deputy commissioner of trials found that officer pantaleo consciously disregarded the substantial and unjustifiable risk of maneuver explicitly pro hibhibited by th department. he could have changed to a less lethal alternative but did not make use of that opportunity. instead, even once mr. garner was moved to his side on the ground with his left arm behind his back and his right hand still open and extended, officer pantaleo maintained the choke hold plchl hold. mr. garner's stress is evident. they found that officer pantaleo's contact meets the

threshold and recklessness caused multilayered internal bruising and hemorrhaging that impaired his physical condition and caused substantial pain and a significant factor in triggering an asthma attack. for all these reasons taken together even after reviewing officer pantaleo's service record leading up to that day, the trial commissioner recommended that he be dismissed from the department. in making this penalty recommendation, she wrote, this tribunal recognizes that from the outside, outset, he was not compliant and argumentative and they allow officers to use force when necessary. what the patrol guide did not allow, however, even when this individual was resisting arrest, was the use of prohibited choke hold. as you know, a number of external authorities have asked many of the same questions we

have about this incident. on august 19th, 2014, about a month after mr. garner's death, the staten island district attorney's office announce they had would impanel a grand jury and present evidence on that matter. on december 3rd, 2014, 23 staten island residents voted no to the indict officer pantaleo clearing him of criminal wrongdoing. that same day, the united states attorney general announced the u.s. department of justice would conduct their own investigation into mr. garner's death and will bring civil rights charges against officer pantaleo. in the intervening years, the justice department made on going requests of the nypd asking us to delay our internal disciplinary process until the civil rights investigation was complete. and we honored the requests as the process stretched from one administration to the next with no action by federal prosecutors. and so on july 21st, 2018, we decided to begin nypd

proceedings. members of the public in general and mr. garner's family in particular have grown understandably impatient. the trial began on may 13th, 2019. july 16th, 2019, one day before the five-year statute of limitations expired, the justice department announced it would not file federal charges against officer pantaleo. then on august 2nd, 2019 with officer pantaleo's trial concluded, the trial commissioner ruled that officer pantaleo's use of a prohibited choke hold was reckless and constituted a grove deviation from the standard of conduct established for a new york city police officer. after noting that officer pantaleo admitted that choke holds are pro hiblted by the department, she further concluded with strongly worded and repeated warnings about the potential lethal effects of choke holds found throughout multiple sections of the training materials, it is evident that the department made

the recruits aware of the inherent dangers associated with the application of pressure to the neck. given the training, a new york city police officer could reasonably be expected to be aware of the potentially lethal effects connected with the use of a prohibited choke hold and be vigilant in issuing the use. from the start of this process, i was determined to carry out my responsibility as police commissioner unaffected by public opinions demanding one outcome over another. i examined the totality of the circumstances and relied on the facts. i stand before you today confident that i have reached the correct decision. and that has certainly not made it an easy decision. i served for nearly 34 years as a new york city cop before becoming police commissioner. i can tell that you i -- had i been an officer's pantaleo's situation, i may have made similar mistakes.

and had i made those mistakes, i would have wished i used the arrive will after backup officers to get the situation more time to make that arrest. and i wished i released my grip before it became a choke hold. every time i watch this video, i say to myself as probably all of you do to mr. garner, don't do it. comply. officer pant pantaleo, don't do. i said that about the decisions made by mr. pantaleo and mr. garner. none of us can take back those decisions. i was not in officer pantaleo's situation. i was chief of patrol. later, chief of the department. in that position, i proposed the mod sol that the same cops would be in the same neighborhoods daefr i so that relationships would replace preconceptions. so that problem solving and prevention would become tools officers were trained in and supported in using.

and therefore, one of the greatest challenges of the police profession here in new york city and elsewhere, will always remain arresting someone who intends to resist that arrest. communication and deescalation techniques are employed when possible. more often than the police and puck lick alike would prefer, varying levels of force are used to ensure compliance. society gives our police the legal authority to use acceptable levels of force when necessary because police cannot otherwise do their job. every day in new york people receive summons or arrested by officers without any physical force being used. but some people choose to verbally and/or physically resist the enforcement action lawfully being taken against them. those situations are unpredictable and dangerous to everyone involved. the street is never the right place to argue the appropriateness of an arrest. that is what our courts are for. being a police officer is one of

the hardest jobs in the world. that is not a statement to elicit sympathy for those we serve. it's a fact. cops have to make choices sometimes very quickly every single day. some are split second life and death choices, oftentimes they're choices that will be thoroughly and repeatedly examined by those with much more time to think about them than the police officer had. and those decisions are scrutinized and second guessed both fairly and unfairly. no one believes that officer pantaleo got out of bed on july 17th, 2014, thinking he would make choices and take actions during an otherwise arrest that lead to another person's death. but officer's choices and actions even made under extreme pressure matter. it is unlikely that mr. garner thought he was in such poor help

th health that a brief struggle with the police would lead to his death. a man with a familiar ly lost h life. that is a tragedy. a hard-working police officer with a family and a man that took this job to do good, make a difference in his home community has now lost his chosen career. and that is different kind of tragedy. in this case, the unintended consequence of mr. garner's death must have a consequence of its own. therefore, i agree with the deputy commissioner of trials legal findings and recommendations and it is clear that daniel pantaleo can no longer serve as a new york city police officer. in carrying ut couout the court verdict in this case, i take no pleasure. i know many will disagree with this decision and that is their right. there are no winners here. not the garner family, the community at large or the men and women of the police department who put their own lives on the line every single

day in service and to the people of this great city. today is a day of reckonning but can also be a day of reconciliation. we must move forward together as one city, determined to secure safety for all, safety for all new yorkers and safety for every police officer working daily to protect all of us. i'll now take your questionaleo. let's talk about the decision i just made today. it's an extremely difficult decision. >> when did you actually make this decision? was this up to the wire or had

you made this decision a couple days ago? >> mark, i think you know me long enough by now. this was not an easy decision. it's not something that i can make over a few hours. i've been thinking about this since the day i was sworn in as police commissioner. so it's -- the decision was made in the last couple days. tony? >> commissioner, has there been any determination made about any rights or benefits? >> yeah. he's being terminated. whatever contributions he made to the pension system he'll get back. marcia? hold on. [ inaudible question ] >> are you worried about

losing -- [ inaudible question ] >> so immediately, i'm sending out my remarks and the video of this press conference. so they know what you all know. and i've been a cop a long time. i was still a cop, i'd probably be mad at me. i would. not looking out for us. but i am. it's my responsibility as police commissioner to look out for the city and certainly to look out for the new york city police officers. they took this job to make a difference. the city has been transformed. had a lot of help. but it's the cops out there right now and the thousands that have come before us that continue to make this city safe. some will be angry. and i have a great executive staff. these police officers do ater

irvi -- ata terrific job every day. we have to work through this. [ inaudible question ] >> i did this based on the evidence and testimony at the trial. >> our understanding is that negotiations went back and forth friday and saturday and then at one point you were told or instructed by city hall the thing has to go a certain way. >> no. that's not -- this is my decision. there are a couple possible outcomes. but this is the decision that the police commissioner makes. this is a disciplinary case like other disciplinary cases. and it's my decision. rocco? i'm get to you in a second. >> did you follow the trial or did you wait until the end of the trial? can you talk about what you -- >> i did not follow the trial day to day. i waited for the testimony to

come up and the evidence to come up. have a staff that works for me. they do disciplinary cases. they reviewed it. we got rosemarie's decision and we moved forward. right here. >> you have spoken to the garner family? >> i have not. commissioner tucker attempted to reach out to them. a couple different phone calls. didn't happen too long ago. waiting for a call back. in the corner? >> have you spoken to officer pantaleo or is this the first time he is hearing this? >> no, this is the first time. the announcement is from here. what's that? i talked to the mayor about process and possible outcomes. >> commissioner? >> ashley? >> commissioner, in the decision, the judge indicated that pantaleo was -- [ inaudible ] she also raised credibility of other officers that were not on trial in this case.

can you speak about that? >> so this all -- this whole situation transpired in seconds. i'm sure no one in this room, if they were involved in -- no one in this room except for the police had to arrest anybody in a physical struggle. and if they could recount step for step what they did, i think that would be nothing short of a miracle. this is the decision rosemary made. rose marie made. this was affirmed by the first deputy commissioner and i'm agreeing with that. yes? >> to be clear. are you making this decision to agree with the judge or are you making this decision because you believe it is also the right decision? >> this is -- there is a department trial. there is a process. rose marie made the decision again affirmed by ben tucker and i agree with both of their findings. yeah? >> you spoke about wishing that eric garner wouldn't have

resisted and would have just complied. you also said you wish that officer pantaleo would have waited for backup. so what is the lesson for your officers coming out of this decision? >> so immediately after this back in 2014, ben tucker was the deputy commissioner of training still at the time. we put all of our police officers through a three day course including deescalation. wee have done fair and impartial policing. every police officer is wearing the body camera now. there are a lot of things that come out of this incident. there is always something to learn. right behind you? yep. >> commissioner, you pointed out in the remarks about officer pantaleo's -- but he was also being monitored. >> yep. >> for using use of force. how do you square those two things? and is the monitoring working?

>> officer pantaleo had 289 arrests. as far as we can tell, sfrping throu searching through all the records, no other person he arrested were injured. he did have a number of resisting arrests which is not unusual. he had ccrbs, the one that was -- where he was substand yateya -- subinstant ain'ted. out of that 289 arrests, there were a number of gun arrests. and what does the nypd do every day? we try to reduce gun violence in this city. so that -- i have to look at his record. that is part of the disciplinary system. >> you had a decision not to discipline officer pantaleo impact on the community, have any factors in your decision making in this? >> so i'm not going to stand up here and say i didn't think about that. but i had to be guided by the facts that were brought out in

the department trial and that was sent up to our office. i see a lot of lists that went through 2014. the protests, the murder of lu and ramos to say that, you know, that is -- that is never out of my mind. i think about that every day whether there is a department trial or not. i can't stand up and say i didn't think about that. but that's not what -- how i made my final decision. >> right here. [ inaudible question ] >> explaining your decision, you refer to police standards. did you personally believe this outcome constitutes justice? >> this is the outcome of our trial. we need it to be fair and fair and impartial. and it was a fair and impartial trial. right here with the glasses. >> has anyone spoken to the family to mr. garner yet? what would you say to them right

now? >> from day one we said that there was going to be a fair and impartial trial. this is the result. make no mistake about it, this is a tragedy for the garner family. i fully understand that. mr. garner was somebody's son, somebody's dad. everybody in the nypd understand that's. >> a couple questions. fir when is the determination effective? >> immediate. >> regarding the decision, is there anything in there you disagreed with? >> i agreed with the content of her decision. who didn't go yet? right here. yep? >> during the department's trial, a lot of the partner -- [ inaudible ] did any part of the other people who testify come you to saying they should be brought up on internal charges? >> right after this, joe's people from internal affairs looked at each officer that was involved in this.

there was a number of civilian witnesses and police officer witnesses. and it was sergeant received charges and officer pantaleo. aaron? >> you spoke a bit about your time as a cop. would you approach this thing from a position of almost one uppance or paem thiempathy? >> i can't remove myself from the fact that i was a uniformed cop for 34 years. i think that's what makes this so difficult that every member of law enforcement in this country that works and keeps this country safe and the city safe looked at that and said that could possibly be me. and that's -- it's in my dna. it's who i am. it's -- but as police commissioner, i have to think about the city.

i have to think about the rules and regs of the nypd and make sure that people follow them. in the back? [ inaudible question ] >> what is the biggest concern that the department feels with this decision? >> i stated that. i said if i were still a police officer, i would probably not be happy. we've been through a lot of things with the nypd and the great history. i know that men and women that do this job are resilient. somebody calls for help, dials 911, someone flags him down, they're not going to think about this decision. they're going to think about why they took this job and help that person no matter who they are. >> before you announce your decision, you said you were confident this was the right one. was there something in particular? was there a moment when you realized that?

and what do you see as commissioner that the officer on the screen might be upset with the decision doesn't see? >> so as i said, i went through the testimony. i looked at the video a number of times. i know what the definition of a choke hold is. this is what led me to this decision. and again, a difficult decision. >> new york city police commissioner explaining there. he said it was a painful decision built decision ultimately to fire, to determine nature officer pantaleo. he was the officer held accountable for the death of eric garner in a choke hold five years ago. this case dragged on for years because of justice department and other grand jury investigations, the police commissioner saying it was a painful decision. he determined that a police trial judge was correct in saying that officer pantaleo, yes, pult eric garner in a choke hold but had every opportunity to move to what the commissioner called less lethal alternatives

as he tried to bring him into custody. eric garner was resisting arrest. but the police commissioner saying that the officer pantaleo should have stopped that prohibited choke hold. our crime and justice reporter is in new york tracking this. the commissioner saying he is sure a lot of men and women in blue don't like this decision today but he believes it's the right one. >> yeah. and, john, while you're seeing him stand there for so long now, some 30 minutes taking questions, he's really speaking in some ways to the rank and file of the police department. he knows that they're not going to be happy with this decision. and that is something that has weighed very heavily on the police commissioner. i know from talking to people this is not an easy decision for him. he was very concerned about the impact of this kind of a decision, firing this police officer, leaving him without a pension and essentially just saying okay, we're done with you. you violated some of the rules and regulations of the nypd.

you're now fired and you have nothing after your several years of being in the police department keshconcerned him greatly. this is not a decision that he with can hear from him, he was emotional at times that came easy. one thing we're not hearing in a lot of his statements so far is anything about the mayor. we should not forget the role that mayor had in all of this. it was at a cnn debate that mayor stood up and said the garner family would have justice at some point. was after the department of justice issued its decision not to pursue charges, not to charge the officer in this case. all that was left for the family was whether or not the police department, the nypd was going to take action against officer pantaleo. the mayor essentially promises to the community, promised it to the world saying that the family was going to get justice. and so we'll hear from the mayor in a little while. and in the coming days, we're

going to hear stories about the pressure that mayor put on the police commissioner to make sure that this officer is fired. and we'll see where it goes from there. this officer will be able to sue. he's going to sue the nypd to try to get his job back. they'll argue in court this is unfair. the department of justice did not bring charges. a prosecutor didn't bring charges. so there could be some recourse down the line. i can tell new covering the nypd for many years and talking to a lot of police officers, they were very worried about this decision. they felt that if the commissioner, if the commissioner o'neal fires this officer, they would have no faith in him as their police commissioner. there was a lot of speculation about what the police commissioner was going to do. was he going to resign? was the mayor going to fire him? i can tell you there were all sorts of rumors circulating through the nypd and the lead-up to this decision.

he was looking at this as a new york city police officer for 34 years and having to make this decision is really yshgs really tough for him, john. >> and in the moment we have left, just explain to anybody watching, this was five years and a month ago. there was a original grand jury that looked into this. they decided no the to press charges. then the obama administration and then the trump administration and justice department is looking at it. so this is the end of any penalty punishment against officer pantaleo but not the end of this drama. >> it is over for the officer. there was a lot of end fighting at the time between the fbi and department of justice. there were people at the department of justice that wanted to bring charges against pann pantaleo that after trump came in, that didn't happen.

this is the end of the line for the family. i think this is going to be good news for them for the mayor. he's going to be happy with this outcome. and now we see, you know, what this officer does and what the union does. do they sue the nypd? >> we'll see that and watch the legal fallout. we'll have a quick break. do you have concerns about mild memory loss related to aging? prevagen is the number one pharmacist-recommended memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? most pills don't finish the job because they don't relieve nasal congestion. flonase sensimist is different. it relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. it's more complete allergy relief. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist helps block six key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. and six is greater than one. flonase sensimist.

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we begin with breaking news. daniel pantaleo has been fired. this was a decision that was just nunsannounced by james o'n. this comes after five years, more than five years after police tried to arrest the 43-year-old father of six for allegedly selling loose cigarettes. >> main with a